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With all the Doz and Ronnie threads floating around I couldent help but reposting this vid
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His gut is legit monster status this year! I love how he claims he shaved three inches of his midsection lol. Cutler got robbed. But in 98 and 99 Ronnie was owner of prob the best ever physique. Well up there anyway.
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"Dis yeeah, Am probablee gonna be big n i'll be hole lot mo' define. N ma theemetry, is a whole lot betta becos I wus abel to shafe 3 inches ob ma waiste."
Highway robbery that year. That was Cutler's O.
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Highway robbery that year. That was Cutler's O.
yup, it was stupid... cutler was at his best and ronnie was at his worst... i stopped watching the olympia after that... i mean all ifbb contests are hokey, but the olympis is retarded... what's the point of watching when the top 5 is based on politics rather than BBing.
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yup, it was stupid... cutler was at his best and ronnie was at his worst... i stopped watching the olympia after that... i mean all ifbb contests are hokey, but the olympis is retarded... what's the point of watching when the top 5 is based on politics rather than BBing.
dude plzz tell me how poitics play a role in bodybuilding..any 1 plzz tell me this...i am sick and tired of hearing the word POLITICS IN BODYBUILDING....
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"Dis yeeah, Am probablee gonna be big n i'll be hole lot mo' define. N ma theemetry, is a whole lot betta becos I wus abel to shafe 3 inches ob ma waiste."
Highway robbery that year. That was Cutler's O.
Sweet ebonics. I felt like the man was in my head when I read that.
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dude plzz tell me how poitics play a role in bodybuilding..any 1 plzz tell me this...i am sick and tired of hearing the word POLITICS IN BODYBUILDING....
I agree 100 %. Can any of you guys who say that the Olympia is fixed, answer this question please - why is it that no one has blown the whistle on whoever fixed the contest (Joe weider or otherwise)? There are heaps of guys (and women) who have been in the judging panel and have since drifted away due to various reasons. Why is it that NONE of these guys have ever surfaced to confess the 'fixing' of a contest? Reason - there is no whistle to blow.
There are contests where it's close between first place and second place, like the 97 Mr O or the 2001 Mr O. While one could argue strongly as to why Dorian or Ronnie shouldn't have won each of those respectively, there are also equally strong (and valid) arguments that could be made as to why they SHOULD have. For example, in 2001, Jay looked great in the front, but got blown away (by Ronnie) as soon as they turned around (and IMO, even from the side, albeit to a lesser degree). Jay had the conditioning, while Ronnie had the size and freakishness. Shape was close - it could have gone either way.
Ronnie just had the same problem Dorian had in 1997 or what Flex, Kevin and Chris (cormier) have all had at various points in their careers - he set the standard and raised the bar high. So, when he wasn't able to repeat his previous (best) shape and fell short of expectations, people talk about how he should have lost. But the fact of the matter is, on that day on stage, he had the best overall physique and that is why he won the 2001 Mr O deservedly (as he did everything else).
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hmm, who's more marketable a blond with middle America looks OR a black Mr Olympia with a deep southern accent and lacking the "aesthetics" a lot of people talk about? If politics were every going to play a role in bodybuilding, Jay Cutler would have 3-4 Sandows by now. Quit bitchin, BIG RONNIE will will rule until HE decides he won't. No one can out size him and his conditioning can only be matched by sub 220lbers.
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hmm, who's more marketable a blond with middle America looks OR a black Mr Olympia with a deep southern accent and lacking the "aesthetics" a lot of people talk about? If politics were every going to play a role in bodybuilding, Jay Cutler would have 3-4 Sandows by now. Quit bitchin, BIG RONNIE will will rule until HE decides he won't. No one can out size him and his conditioning can only be matched by sub 220lbers.
Very well put 8)
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hmm, who's more marketable a blond with middle America looks OR a black Mr Olympia with a deep southern accent and lacking the "aesthetics" a lot of people talk about? If politics were every going to play a role in bodybuilding, Jay Cutler would have 3-4 Sandows by now. Quit bitchin, BIG RONNIE will will rule until HE decides he won't. No one can out size him and his conditioning can only be matched by sub 220lbers.
I do not think the outcome is predetermined,or fixed, but I do think that if two guys are close,MR. OLYMPIA will get the nod over someone else.I am not saying that is done on purpose necesarily,but maybe it is sort of like "You have to knock out the champ" mentality.
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I do not think the outcome is predetermined,or fixed, but I do think that if two guys are close,MR. OLYMPIA will get the nod over someone else.I am not saying that is done on purpose necesarily,but maybe it is sort of like "You have to knock out the champ" mentality.
Agree with you as well. I think that if it's close, the previous winner does have the edge / advantage. Then again, in 1998, Flex had the pre-contest momentum (which reflected in the scores he got in the first 2 rounds), but Ronnie managed to (rightfully) beat him 8)
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LOL!!!! I love Ronnie.
Ronnie beat Jay in every area that year. Yes, gut too, but that's just one area. ok, so Jay beat him in calves, but so what?
Jay also had a gut that year too, which was evident when he and Ronnie were hitting lat spreads.
Unless guts are auto-failures in your book like they are for ND, I don't see how you can objectively say Jay was superior when comparing his strengths with Ronnie one by one.
Guts arent automatic failures for ND Matt. Only if its ronnie coleman in question, hence his endorsement of dorian
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Guts arent automatic failures for ND Matt. Only if its ronnie coleman in question, hence his endorsement of dorian
Don't presume to speak for me , because when I correct you , you'll look even more stupid ( if thats possible ) ;)
Guts are an automatic failure , you cannot be Mr Olympia with a gut , it weakens the titles prestige when this happens , I could care less if you stripped everyone single one of Dorian Yates' Mr Olympia titles , I was routing for Flex Wheeler in 1993 , it confused me how Dorian beat Flex with slight destension and a wide waist nevermind the monstrosity of a gut Ronnie has presented , you people seem to think Dorian's waist is as bad as Coleman's its not , Dorian has a wide waist and slight destention , Ronnie looked like he was pregnant , either way both are unacceptable and anyone with a gut should be placed dead last I don't care how spectaular their other parts are , this is the best bodybuilder on the plant??? lol
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Jay cheated and Ronnie still owned him - Coleman deserved the victory. Accept it and move on . . .
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LOL!!!! I love Ronnie.
Ronnie beat Jay in every area that year. Yes, gut too, but that's just one area. ok, so Jay beat him in calves, but so what?
Jay also had a gut that year too, which was evident when he and Ronnie were hitting lat spreads.
Unless guts are auto-failures in your book like they are for ND, I don't see how you can objectively say Jay was superior when comparing his strengths with Ronnie one by one.
Jay had a gut? lol show me Jays' gut in 2001 I dare you , Ronnie's gut was hanging all over the place and it was clearly evident in almost every shot
And sorry to bring you to school Matt , but Jay won both the symmetry round & the muscularity round , and yet Ronnie still ' beat ' in the posing round lol man what a complete joke , and to top it all off Ronnie is a terrible poser !! Ronnie lost the 2001 Mr Olymnpia , I know you it , you know it and so does Ronnie .
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Jay cheated and Ronnie still owned him - Coleman deserved the victory. Accept it and move on . . .
Ronnie cheated too if you want to get techincal , he used a prop which is agaisnt IFBB policy , so DQ them both !! ;)
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Ronnie cheated too if you want to get techincal , he used a prop which is agaisnt IFBB policy , so DQ them both !! ;)
getting technical on me, eh? don't make me bump my 2001 K-lo Olympia thread . . .
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admit it. colemen did not deserve to win
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ewww i just watched that video, coleman looked like shit
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admit it. colemen did not deserve to win
I watched the prejudging and the finals a dozen times. I watched it with an objective eye the entire time. Jay looked great, don't get me wrong. But the only reason his conditioning was better was becuase of the diuretics. Ill-gotten conditioning aside, the fact is Ronnie overpowered him in every shot. From the back, there was no contest plain and simple. Coleman's back made Jay's and K-Lo's look like children's.
Besides, Jay took diuretics even though they were specifically banned from the contest. Even if you don't think Ronnie deserved to win, does a cheater deserve to?
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The best part is he says he shaved 3" off his waist lol what the fuck? his gut is gigantic lol he lost that contest in a major way , he lost the muscularity round & the symmetry rounds lol and he ' beat ' Jay in the posing round? LMFAO what by doing the rasie the roof? to showcase that petite waist with his new and improved symmetry? among the biggest jokes in bodybuilding history !!
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Don't you ever get tired of owning yourself? :-\
No no Matt just like you and the rest of Camp-Coleman he's just exhaling ::) and Ronnie's was worse ;)
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No no Matt just like you and the rest of Camp-Coleman he's just exhaling ::) and Ronnie's was worse ;)
so Ronnie had a worse gut and Jay had a worse back, so Jay wins? If that was true, would Dorian have beat Nasser in 96 or 97? Oh but Nasser took diuretics in 96 event hough they were banned so he's disqualified. But, Jay took diuretics event hought hey were banned but he still wins? You suck, ND :P
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Don't you ever get tired of owning yourself? :-\
I'll tell you what I don't get tired of owning you lol ;)
Matt's ND has said on record at ironage that Frank was the better bodybuilder than Shawn.
The only thing Frank had over Shawn was height lol.
Mine And three Sandows and better balance & proportion , Shawn has heavyweights biceps/triceps coupled with a middleweights torso , he has huge squared-off quads and highcalves , Shawn was thicker than Zane , but thats to be expected when Shawn is 5'7" and weighs 20lbs more , so there you go thats why one is a three time Mr Olympia and one is a three time runner-up !!
lol ;)
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so Ronnie had a worse gut and Jay had a worse back, so Jay wins? If that was true, would Dorian have beat Nasser in 96 or 97? Oh but Nasser took diuretics in 96 event hough they were banned so he's disqualified. But, Jay took diuretics event hought hey were banned but he still wins? You suck, ND :P
No no Jat WON the musculairty round & the symmetry round , thats why he outright beat Ronnie , 364 days out of the year Jay is not better than Ronnie , on this day he was , period . !! Ronnie was trailing by SIX POINTS going into the posing round and he beat Jay? thats unheard of , and its BS that he would beat Jay in the posing round , Ronnie is the worse poser by far !! Jay was the better of the two on that night !!
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No no Jat WON the musculairty round & the symmetry round , thats why he outright beat Ronnie , 364 days out of the year Jay is not better than Ronnie , on this day he was , period . !! Ronnie was trailing by SIX POINTS going into the posing round and he beat Jay? thats unheard of , and its BS that he would beat Jay in the posing round , Ronnie is the worse poser by far !! Jay was the better of the two on that night !!
for someone with such a boner for Yates' back, its odd that you would overlook Ronnie's utter dominance over Jay cutler from behind. Even more so than Dorian's owning of NAsser from the back
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Love or hate Coleman he lost that O. Jay may have had a "gut" in some random shot were he was clearly exhaling. But fact is his midsection was rock hard and flat as a pancake. Coleman has a massive gut at all times. You could find a shot of Steve Reeves with a gut if you caught him at the wrong time. Fact is Ronnie had a noticeable GH gut at ALL times of that contest not just some random pic or single occurrence.... It wasn't a random shot or bad picture. he had a giant belly clearly noticeable throughout the entire contest.
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i have a clip of ronnies posing round that night and he was awful. His stomach was embarrassing to even fat people!
He was allowed to use props, was given 10MINUTES to pose as opposed to everyone elses 2-3 minutes and was trailing after the rounds that really count. How can you lose a contest on your ability to breakdance or pose onstage? Its ridiculous!
Ronnie was soundly beaten, it wasnt even close IMO. As for Jays gut, maybe so when he was exhaling. But when he hit the ab and thigh etc there wasnt a single ounce of fat on his stomach! His abs were so deep and defined it was a look twice moment so dont try to counter Ronnies weakness with a poor example like that
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for someone with such a boner for Yates' back, its odd that you would overlook Ronnie's utter dominance over Jay cutler from behind. Even more so than Dorian's owning of NAsser from the back
Again Ronnie didn't dominate anything , he lost the symmetry round and the musculairty round , he ' beat ' Jay in the posing round its laughable , the difference between Nasser & Dorian is , Dorian wasn't waterlogged , Ronnie was clearly holding a lot of water , Jay didn't beat Ronnie's back from the 1998 Olympia , so there was a big difference .
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I was there it was close in the morning and ron improved at night. That's the whole story.
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I was there it was close in the morning and ron improved at night. That's the whole story.
No its not , the whole story was that NO other Mr Olympia winner ever in the history of the contest ever lost the musularity & symmetry rounds , entered the night show trailing by 6 points and WON !! Ronnie is a terrible poser , there is no way he beat Cutler in that round , he lost period end of sentence.
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I was there it was close in the morning and ron improved at night. That's the whole story.
Since you saw it this way this is how it is? lol
Like ND said he was trailing by 6 points and sucks at posing. Cutler had that show won. I have stated many times Ronnie in 98 and 99 had prob the best physique ever. In 01 however he looked like dog shit and should have lost that O.
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Jay can show up in any shape he wants and still he wont win. Why? because he hasnt been allowed to win. Its farcical that Ronnie has 8 Mr O titles, hes probably earned 4-5 of them at best. Nobody can argue that he lost 01 AND 02.
Sure Ronnie has more mass, but he was fat, full of water and just plain out of shape against a guy who, with the exception of back definition and arms, completely dominated him in EVERYONES eyes apart from those trusty, reliable, unbiased judges that were chosen.
Fuck, it says everything when there is conclusice proof that Ronnie knew himself he lost. So he comes out with a bullshit excuse that "i was giving a peace sign to my buddy in the crowd" - if so then why wait til the very second before youre going to be announced to do it? BOLLOX!
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No no Matt just like you and the rest of Camp-Coleman he's just exhaling ::) and Ronnie's was worse ;)
Haha, double standards here, childlike omission of cromulent logic.
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The fact is in that single picture Jay was actually exhaling. Proof is in the video that jay in 01 had zero distention whatsoever. While the Coleman dick sniffers run and claim that Ronnie's giant gut is due to "exhaling" all one has to do is watch the video I posted to see that claim is total bullshit. Ronnie hasn't done a thing to reduce his gut since that faithful O showing. He has simply learned to keep that bad boy sucked in. 98 and 99 Ronnie was untouchable. 01 and on he lost that aura with the addition of that horrible GH gut :-[
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Comments like "Ronnie wasn't even close to Jay" are ridiculous.
In 2001 I also thought Jay won because I had no eye for bodybuilding and was wooed by Jay's abs and flat midsection. Little did I realize that Ronnie dwarfed Jay in muscularity and additionally had more muscle hardness than Jay could ever dream of.
They both had their strengths and weaknesses don't get me wrong - but I think the sum of Ronnie's strengths surpassed those possessed by Jay.
This all having been said, if Jay had entered the 2002 Olympia in his 2001 form I think he would have rightfully one. Further, Jay's performance at the 2002 Arnold Classic was superior to Ronnie's at the 2002 Olympia. So whether or not Jay has a Sandow doesn't matter - he WAS the best bodybuilder of 2002. Mr. Olympia or not that should be worth something!
Matt Ronnie was waterlogged and Jay was hard as nails , Ronnie was way-off with a terrible gut , NO Mr Olympia winner ever in the history of the sport ever lost the symmetry round & muscularity round and still won the contest , he may have won the title but he was NOT the best man on stage !!
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Matt you are a very intelligent guy....You show no bias. One of the people on this site that have a valid opinion that holds weight.
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Matt Ronnie was waterlogged and Jay was hard as nails
You think maybe this was because Jay CHEATED????? Of course he wasn't water-logged - he took diuretics even though they were banned. Its your bullshit logic that says a cheater deserves to win the Olympia and that Yates is better than Coleman. Get a grip!
And the posing round isnt scored on who poses best, it's based on who looks the best in the round. That's what Head Judge Jim Rockell said on probodybuilding weekly. You need to get your head out of the old flex magazines and into what you write for a change ;)
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You think maybe this was because Jay CHEATED????? Of course he wasn't water-logged - he took diuretics even though they were banned.
I see this stated constantly. But since I assume Jay has never done an interview saying, "I took diuretics for that show", on what possible basis could you claim this - other than your own suspicion? Did you obtain a sample of his urine and have it tested?
Jay having used diuretics may be something you suspect. But Ronnie's tub-guts are a visually documented fact. And the stink-factor in the way the scoring played out only increased the insult to the intelligence of the people following the contest.
Even if bodybuilding didn't have all the other things going against it as a viable sport, this kind of amateurish championship rigging would doom it as a respectable sporting enterprise.
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I see this stated constantly. But since I assume Jay has never done an interview saying, "I took diuretics for that show", on what possible basis could you claim this - other than your own suspicion? Did you obtain a sample of his urine and have it tested?
Jay having used diuretics may be something you suspect.
Jay, like every other contestant, was tested for using diuretics. He and Ruhl failed. Period.
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Jay, like every other contestant, was tested for using diuretics. He and Ruhl failed. Period.
Did the IFBB confirm this? And if so, how did they attempt to justify their failure to disqualify Cutler from the contest?
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Other than slightly better conditioning, what did Jay have on Ronnie? Jay was outmassed pure and simple. He was destroyed from the back. He was owned from the front. He was crushed on the sides. Ronnie deserved to win.
This whole thread is pointless. Why do you just ignore the fact that Jay failed the diuretics test? Jay should have won? Bulshit - cheaters don't deserve to win.
Jay's time will come, but 2001 was Ronnie's year.
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Don't you ever get tired of owning yourself? :-\
That is a pic they are getting ready to hit a back shot - that you stick out your gut to do. Everybody will show a gut in that pose (when look at it from the side).
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I love the cheating argument. Officially they're both cheating since they were both on gear. Calling Jay out for cheating is in effect saying you have no other point to make and are grasping at straws.
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I love the cheating argument. Officially they're both cheating since they were both on gear. Calling Jay out for cheating is in effect saying you have no other point to make and are grasping at straws.
He had an unfair and illegal advantage - he blatatly broke a specific rule. Nasser did the same in 96 and was disqualified. Why does Jay get a free pass? Without that ill-gotten edge, we wouldnt even be having this conversation because other than conditioning, he had NOTHING on Ronnie.
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He had an unfair and illegal advantage - he blatatly broke a specific rule. Nasser did the same in 96 and was disqualified. Why does Jay get a free pass? Without that ill-gotten edge, we wouldnt even be having this conversation because other than conditioning, he had NOTHING on Ronnie.
Straws baby, and they're floating away in the wind.
On a serious note do you see how ridiculous you sound when you scream cheating at the top of your lungs?
This is bodybuilding and you're crying about drugs. Simply incredible.
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Straws baby, and they're floating away in the wind.
On a serious note do you see how ridiculous you sound when you scream cheating at the top of your lungs?
This is bodybuilding and you're crying about drugs. Simply incredible.
He knew they were testing for diuretics. He took them anyway. He deserved to be disqualified not declared an uncrowned Mr. Olympia.
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Cutler threatened to sue or somthin saying that the testing was no done correctly and were therefore not valid. I assume Ruhl could have done the same but he didn't have sour grapes over being caught for somthing he knew he did.
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He knew they were testing for diuretics. He took them anyway. He deserved to be disqualified not declared an uncrowned Mr. Olympia.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
I just find it utterly ridiculous that you're screaming about drugs being cheating at the Olympia.
That's like screaming cheat because football players wear shoulder pads.
Get the analogy?
Shoulder pads and drugs are an essential part of football and bodybuilding so calling their use cheating is patently absurd.
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Cutler threatened to sue or somthin saying that the testing was no done correctly and were therefore not valid.
A Weider-contract athlete threatening to sue the IFBB over improper implementation of drug testing??
The mind reels...
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Whatever helps you sleep at night.
I just find it utterly ridiculous that you're screaming about drugs being cheating at the Olympia.
That's like screaming cheat because football players wear shoulder pads.
Get the analogy?
Shoulder pads and drugs are an essential part of football and bodybuilding so calling their use cheating is patently absurd.
Yeah yeah - I know diuretics are a part of the sport, a necesary piece of equipement, if you will. But you have to use regulation equipement.
The fact is Jay broke the rules - why are you complaining about him being punished for doing so? I don't hear you crying over Ruhl or Nasser. If Ronnie had been allowed to take diuretics, you're damn straight he would have and you can believe he would have looked that much better than Jay. But he played by the rules. If you don't play by the rules or you use non-regulation shoulder pads, you have no right to bitch if you get caught.
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Yeah yeah - I know diuretics are a part of the sport, a necesary piece of equipement, if you will. But you have to use regulation equipement.
The fact is Jay broke the rules - why are you complaining about him being punished for doing so? I don't hear you crying over Ruhl or Nasser. If Ronnie had been allowed to take diuretics, you're damn straight he would have and you can believe he would have looked that much better than Jay. But he played by the rules. If you don't play by the rules or you use non-regulation shoulder pads, you have no right to bitch if you get caught.
This is where you've got me wrong, I'm not complaining about Jay being punished. I've never said a thing about it other than pointing out your hypocrisy regarding drugs and bodybuilding.
Technically none of the competitors played by the rules, last I heard gear was prohibited. They all use so they should all be punished, right?
As for who won in 01, Ronnie's gut was just too big. No Olympia should have a gut like that, it's an abomination.
Jay's no better now, he's got a big gut and the tell tale blockiness that GH use brings.
I hope Phil Heath is the future or at least his level of symmetry and aesthetics.
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This is where you've got me wrong, I'm not complaining about Jay being punished. I've never said a thing about it other than pointing out your hypocrisy regarding drugs and bodybuilding.
Technically none of the competitors played by the rules, last I heard gear was prohibited. They all use so they should all be punished, right?
As for who won in 01, Ronnie's gut was just too big. No Olympia should have a gut like that, it's an abomination.
Jay's no better now, he's got a big gut and the tell tale blockiness that GH use brings.
I hope Phil Heath is the future or at least his level of symmetry and aesthetics.
That's cool. I love how they used to test for diuretics, clen, and cocaine at the Ironman.
The gut doesnt bother me since he could have held it in if he felt like it. I still think Ronnie deserved to win. Even with Jay's better conditioning I still think he was simply too outmuscled, especially from the back.
As for Heath being the future, he'll have to get beat RJ first. Just imagine how bb will be in the future when they are #1 and #2 in the sport . . .
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That's cool. I love how they used to test for diuretics, clen, and cocaine at the Ironman.
The gut doesnt bother me since he could have held it in if he felt like it. I still think Ronnie deserved to win. Even with Jay's better conditioning I still think he was simply too outmuscled, especially from the back.
As for Heath being the future, he'll have to get beat RJ first. Just imagine how bb will be in the future when they are #1 and #2 in the sport . . .
I think this is RC's last year. So it's either Jay next year or new blood. I would like to see Jay win one and then the new blood take over. In a few years Heath could add quite a bit of muscle yet still retain his symmetry.