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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: funk51 on August 14, 2006, 09:07:47 AM
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has anyone read david carter's book "the iron game' it exposes bodybuilding in the late 60's to early 70's. the names are changed to protect the innocent and quilty as well i guess.
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just throwing this back out there because this same post started a train of posts on ironage that caused the one member to get so upset he put a contract out on the guy who recommended the book to him.
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shut up
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"Iron Game" seems like a interesting read, but it's a rare book($100 a copy seems the going rate). Steve Neece was the basis for "Moby".
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Funk, Ive been looking for this book for years (at a decent price) dont want to pay that Amazon price ($100.00+)
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OH ya, I heard the writer of this book (David Carter) was a H-mo, and was found dead with his neck cut...
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shut up
Well, this made me laugh out loud.
Classic GB, right there.
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"Iron Game" seems like a interesting read, but it's a rare book($100 a copy seems the going rate). Steve Neece was the basis for "Moby".
it's now 125 dollars no wonder the guy got so mad. ;D
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just throwing this back out there because this same post started a train of posts on ironage that caused the one member to get so upset he put a contract out on the guy who recommended the book to him.
Put a hit on him. That's awesome. Internet bodybuilding message boards is serious business.
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100, for a book? Lol good luck with that
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100, for a book? Lol good luck with that
It's a tiny little paperback too, it makes reference to all the big G4P things in Venice during the 70's, so it seems interesting, but not $100+ interesting. The guy that wrote it seemed to be a small time gay porno producer too, so there are probably all sorts of embarrassing thing about folks in it.
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$100...wow...I should sell my copy if I can find it
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It's a tiny little paperback too, it makes reference to all the big G4P things in Venice during the 70's, so it seems interesting, but not $100+ interesting. The guy that wrote it seemed to be a small time gay porno producer too, so there are probably all sorts of embarrassing thing about folks in it.
How the fuck hasn't anyone just plagiarized it and put it on the Internet.
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How the fuck hasn't anyone just plagiarized it and put it on the Internet.
I just don't think enough people remember it or there are enough copies out there for someone to do it. From my understanding it only had one run, and then the guy died. I only know about it because the old timers use to joke about it.
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I just don't think enough people remember it or there are enough copies out there for someone to do it. From my understanding it only had one run, and then the guy died. I only know about it because the old timers use to joke about it.
;D ;D ;D ;D hey i resemble that{oldtimer} funk sr.
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;D ;D ;D ;D hey i resemble that{oldtimer} funk sr.
hey Funk51, I used to read Ironage back in the day. Who the fuck put out a contract on who? Was it the guys who left to form Rawiron or what?
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hey Funk51, I used to read Ironage back in the day. Who the fuck put out a contract on who? Was it the guys who left to form Rawiron or what?
i actually mentioned this book on ironage and one member wanted a copy real bad not realizing the tone of the book. he bought the book paid way too much for it of course and wanted to kill the guy who sold him the book because he didn't tell him what the book was actually about. i actually bought the book when it first came out not realizing the subject matter got a laugh out of it and didn't think much of it till the dawn of the internet. i still have a copy but would be hard pressed to find it in my menagerie. ;D ;D
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Heres the thread
http://forum.iron-age-classic-bodybuilding.com/index.php/topic,11965.0.html
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Thanks Crownshep, wow Mick Limeric put out a contract? I always thought he was mild manered Ivan Dunbar lol.
Jimmy Thomson gets a mention. I knew Jimmy well as he was the volunteer trainer at the gym where i started at back in 1970. I remember he stayed in LA for the summer around 1973 and he trained at Golds and he said the guys were involved in gay porn movies. Sprague was apparently their agent. A lot of top bodybuilders apparently indulged in bumfoolery back in the day lol........Jimmy Thomson was a top finance guy, chartered accountant and MBA and a great physique. Jimmy was a millionaire with his investments and a friend of Jimmy Saville., NABBA president in the 60's and 70's. He got cancer around 2000 and the drugs messed with his mind, this is why he started spilling the beans.
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Maybe the Kindle version will be out soon.
Who was that getbigger who used to post all sorts of shady stories about various bodybuilders from the '60s-'90s? I forget his name but he was awesome.
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Maybe the Kindle version will be out soon.
Who was that getbigger who used to post all sorts of shady stories about various bodybuilders from the '60s-'90s? I forget his name but he was awesome.
was it my old trainer Jimmy Thomson?
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It might have been The Red Meat Kid but that doesn't sound right?
Pro in the Know?
Undercover Pro?
BEEFY HEAVYWEIGHT?
I can't remember.
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Watch out Big Al,don`t think Jimmy Thompson would like his name associated with Jimmy Saville at this precise moment.If ya know what i mean.
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It was Beefy Heavyweight I believe..
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Well, this made me laugh out loud.
Classic GB, right there.
Hahaha! Yes!
Broadstreetbruiser is one of the classic getbiggers of all-time. Shame he died and left us so soon. PIP.
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does anybody remember that article that AJ put out on "bodybuilders"?
it was a small "case study" like affair, and Arnold was defiantely one of the "bodybuilders" which AJ had described
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Heres the thread
http://forum.iron-age-classic-bodybuilding.com/index.php/topic,11965.0.html
i'm surprised i thought this thread died a quick and sudden death on ironage, surprised all the renewed interest. i guess that's what happens when ken spraque logs on. ;D ;D
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:o
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:D
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Ok Powerlift66, we've waited 9 years to hear what's in this book. Hope you're doing to spill the beans. :D
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Nasser's book was way better
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Very strange / bizarre book.
Carter basically tells of all the exploits of the bodybuilders back then (Ken Sprague, Arnold, etc with names changed).
Kens pretty open about his past, hides nothing about it.
Lots of the stories have been spoken of online over the years (Don Peters living w/ Dr. Strangelove, etc).
Kens post on Raw-Iron basically sums things up as the main story going on in this book:
it was stuff like this:
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I can elaborate, but first I want to note that I have no qualms w/ Don's path to economic stability: He used his innate good-looks and bodybuilder's physique to make a very good living as a prostitute/companion. Many bodybuilders of that era did the same thing. That's an individual choice thing---harmless of itself---that many of the era engaged in.
Where I do have a problem is w/ the phony image of Don put forth by Joe in the magazines---Joe for lots of reasons chose to project/publish a fantasy of Don's life comporting to the image Don wanted to project.
Here are the facts: Don was employed by Academy Films, a small educational film company owned by Dr Strangelove (the name given by Zabo). Don's primary job was analogous to that of a mailroom employee---packaging and labeling films for shipment. He "earned" a paycheck. He earned much more in the after-hours as Dr Strangelove's "companion." Strangelove watched him train; they plated pool; rode motorcycles together; etc. Overon was paid by the hour and made lots more (tax free) as a "companion" of Strangelove than he did at Academy Films. Over the decade they were together, Don bought a home, expensive cars, and in general lived the "good life."
Dr Strangelove moved on in the '70's as Don lost the flower of youth (he was in his 40's by then). The situation was much like that of an ageing actress who loses her youthful appeal. But, Don had accrued substantial assets by this time through his relationship w/ the Doc. [This was the Dr's pattern---he had another man in his "employ" at Academy Films and beyond for the decade previous to Peters]
The relationship and Don's source of income was common knowledge among the bodybuilders of the era. As I noted, many were doing the same thing for relative nickles and dimes---Don was one who hit the proverbial jackpot. [How many guys got paid to train?] And Dr Strangelove was a very nice man---he was married w/ two children; hence, both he and Don were best served by "keeping it quiet."
Joe clearly knew the deal---he and I talked about it. The photos of the pool-playing Sergio and the parties at "Peter's home" were, in fact, taken at a home owned by Strangelove---the Doc puchased that home to set up a gym w/in as the venue where he could watch Don train---and the venue for assignations.
West Coast bodybuilding was a very small world in those days. Presuming that the guys who hung around the gym in those days didn't know what was going on would be a giant (28" arms) leap of faith.
To reiterate, from my perspective, I have absolutely no problem w/ Don's conduct or choice of occupation, per se. I do have a problem w/ the intentionally false depiction of his life. That depiction obfuscated the reality of bodybuilding during the era. It was part of Joe's narrative that "the Sun always shines on bodybuilders."
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don peters
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;D
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;D
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don peters
take notice of the large man next to peters 6 ft 8 inch Lloyd lampton arm wrestling champ..
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take notice of the large man next to peters 6 ft 8 inch Lloyd lampton arm wrestling champ..
;D
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the benefactor might have been one of the two older " gentlemen" in the background
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Ed Guiliani talking about Don Peters @ 8:20
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Profession of peace.
Arnold sold his ass too.
I wonder how he feels about that today?
8)
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Ed Guiliani talking about Don Peters @ 8:20
je mentions david carter of the iron game fame too.
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Profession of peace.
Arnold sold his ass too.
I wonder how he feels about that today?
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he probably farted all the way to the bank
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"It's the greatest sport"......as Arnold said in 75.
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How did the bodybuilding community avoid the AIDS virus in the 80's? It seems with those lifestyles AIDS would have cleaned out Venice Beach.