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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Nutrition, Products & Supplements Info => Topic started by: The True Adonis on August 29, 2006, 07:37:29 PM
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MY diet is VERY similar that I have been following. With a few exceptions. Here it is, straight from his own diary!
5 egg omelet with 3 ounces cheese and chicken
2 cups of coffee
8 ounces of chicken and diet soda
Milk
Protein Powder
Coffee
16 ounces of fish with 1 Lite Beer.
This was followed for a few weeks prior to the 1980 Olympia.
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Where a book ref. for this???
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MY diet is VERY similar that I have been following. With a few exceptions. Here it is, straight from his own diary!
5 egg omelet with 3 ounces cheese and chicken
2 cups of coffee
8 ounces of chicken and diet soda
Milk
Protein Powder
Coffee
16 ounces of fish with 1 Lite Beer.
This was followed for a few weeks prior to the 1980 Olympia.
LOL he drank beer during his contest prep...wtf
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Adam said it was from his journal so I am sure he could give me a reference on a book or magazine it was printed in.....Sounds like such a strange diet
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LOL he drank beer during his contest prep...wtf
It was lite beer though!
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Dieting the summer looked like this:
July 10, 1980
woke up had 2 cups of coffee
sweetend with aspartame and glycine
then i ate two tablespoons milk egg protein powder mixed with 12 ounces cottage cheese with one cup of fresh strawberries.
For lunch,one papaya,12 ounces chicken and a lite beer
Late afternoon, 16 ounces of yogurt 12 cherries 16 pecans and a few macadamia nuts
For dinner,16 ounces chicken one piece of rye bread with 4 ounces of cheese melted on it. Then before bed 2 eggs Rheo way with another lite beer and went to sleep.
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Dieting the summer looked like this:
July 10, 1980
woke up had 2 cups of coffee
sweetend with aspartame and glycine
then i ate two tablespoons milk egg protein powder mixed with 12 ounces cottage cheese with one cup of fresh strawberries.
For lunch,one papaya,12 ounces chicken and a lite beer
Late afternoon, 16 ounces of yogurt 12 cherries 16 pecans and a few macadamia nuts
For dinner,16 ounces chicken one piece of rye bread with 4 ounces of cheese melted on it. Then before bed 2 eggs Rheo way with another lite beer and went to sleep.
Damn, I could get to really like that diet....
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TA, this is laughable and ironic coming from you.
Zane is the EPITOME of "all drugs" He ate like a bird and won the Mr. Olympia, yet off the drugs he would be all of 125lbs soaking wet eating like that.
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TA, this is laughable and ironic coming from you.
Zane is the EPITOME of "all drugs" He ate like a bird and won the Mr. Olympia, yet off the drugs he would be all of 125lbs soaking wet eating like that.
it's called dieting, being in a deficit, only temporary.
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TA, this is laughable and ironic coming from you.
Zane is the EPITOME of "all drugs" He ate like a bird and won the Mr. Olympia, yet off the drugs he would be all of 125lbs soaking wet eating like that.
This is true too....Although, Zane may not be big these days, but he is still healthy as hell and in good shape....
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See.
I am trying to tell you people that you can eat dairy and fruit. Those 2 things alone will get you super ripped with no cardio.
New studies are showing Dairy to DRAMATICALLY REDUCE bodyfat,especially in the abdominal area.
Milk drinkers as a whole have a much much lower bodyfat and are able to obtain lower bodyfat levels than non-milk drinkers.
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TA, this is laughable and ironic coming from you.
Zane is the EPITOME of "all drugs" He ate like a bird and won the Mr. Olympia, yet off the drugs he would be all of 125lbs soaking wet eating like that.
Zane never has weighed under 170 lbs. He has been ripped his whole life. Kept his size and shape and conditioning his whole life.
All drugs is laughable.
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See.
I am trying to tell you people that you can eat dairy and fruit. Those 2 things alone will get you super ripped with no cardio.
New studies are showing Dairy to DRAMATICALLY REDUCE bodyfat,especially in the abdominal area.
Milk drinkers as a whole have a much much lower bodyfat and are able to obtain lower bodyfat levels than non-milk drinkers.
since when did you give a shit about scientific studies LOLLLL
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What type of coffee is good for dieting?
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Zane never has weighed under 170 lbs. He has been ripped his whole life. Kept his size and shape and conditioning his whole life.
All drugs is laughable.
That summer diet is about 1250-1500 calories....enough to support about 125lbs case closed. Zane was all drugs.
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Bodybuilders are overfed pigs.
There is no reason to consume mass quantities of food if you are Natural and especially if you aren`t taking that Insulin and GH garbage.
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waste of diabonal
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That summer diet is about 1250-1500 calories....enough to support about 125lbs case closed. Zane was all drugs.
MY diet is 1100-1500 and I am WAY over 125 lbs and way bigger than you.
What is your excuse?
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waste of diabonal
Boy I sure could tear up some buffetts on d-bol I remember eating a few pounds of grouper with potatoes when I use to use it.....
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MY diet is VERY similar that I have been following. With a few exceptions. Here it is, straight from his own diary!
5 egg omelet with 3 ounces cheese and chicken
2 cups of coffee
8 ounces of chicken and diet soda
Milk
Protein Powder
Coffee
16 ounces of fish with 1 Lite Beer.
This was followed for a few weeks prior to the 1980 Olympia.
is that for one meal?
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MY diet is 1100-1500 and I am WAY over 125 lbs and way bigger than you.
What is your excuse?
you simply have an abnormally slow metabolism, that's all.
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is that for one meal?
No entire diet.
You guys are wondering what a Rheo Blair egg is I bet.
A Rheo Egg is first boil water, drop in an egg for 2 minutes, crack shell drop in tall thin glass,pour in 2 ounces of beer.
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No entire diet.
You guys are wondering what a Rheo Blair egg is I bet.
A Rheo Egg is first boil water, drop in an egg for 2 minutes, crack shell drop in tall thin glass,pour in 2 ounces of beer.
yea well whenyou weigh 170 you can survive on that little amount of food
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TA, I hope you fix the gyno before the contest.
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yea well whenyou weigh 170 you can survive on that little amount of food
Actually he competed in the 190s-200s and the 180s.
If you weigh 235 you can survive. Arnold used to go to HIM for dieting advices.
They dieted together as instructed by wieder as they were training partners for a while.
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TA, I hope you fix the gyno before the contest.
I`ll get right on it you skinny non-working out loser.
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I`ll get right on it you skinny non-working out loser.
I was gonna mention your hair too but it seems like you have already worked on that. Bwuahahahahahaha
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I`ll get right on it you skinny non-working out loser.
monster forearms
(http://www.vittayasart.net/articles/toothpick.jpg)
LOL - just kidding, you look great ;D
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No shit..is that supposed to be an impressive physique?
Are you under some delusion that Zane was "natural"...? The 70's are over.
Your superiority complex is delusional. If you are going to bodybuild, do it for real or fuggoff.
Get serious or get out.
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Bodybuilders are overfed pigs.
There is no reason to consume mass quantities of food if you are Natural and especially if you aren`t taking that Insulin and GH garbage.
That's an excellent point. Too many Naturals are fatasses claiming they are bulking. The calories these guys take in are ridiculous. The natural can't metabolise that many calories. Especially if you only work out an hour 4 days a week like most naturals do.
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No shit..is that supposed to be an impressive physique?
Are you under some delusion that Zane was "natural"...? The 70's are over.
Your superiority complex is delusional. If you are going to bodybuild, do it for real or fuggoff.
Get serious or get out.
While the 70s may be over, the Ironage will NEVER die.
I`m hoping all the bloat monsters will though.
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(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/zane/fz110.jpg)
(http://www.frankzane.com/images/FZbeard.jpg)
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Yeah, Zane had a great diet, but his diet also consisted of anabolics, and numerous recreational drugs. So why ain't you all up in HIS grill like you are on so many other peoples, including the newer pros, and also the members here? Your inconsistence is laughable, and (I must say it) delusional.....answer this please, Mr. "Rheo egg" Adonis.
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Thats about as close to ZERO carbs as one gets!!
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Yeah, Zane had a great diet, but his diet also consisted of anabolics, and numerous recreational drugs. So why ain't you all up in HIS grill like you are on so many other peoples, including the newer pros, and also the members here? Your inconsistence is laughable, and (I must say it) delusional.....answer this please, Mr. "Rheo egg" Adonis.
This has to go down as the dumbest post on this thread, and if you don't know why I ain't gonna tell ya!!
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This has to go down as the dumbest post on this thread, and if you don't know why I ain't gonna tell ya!!
Tonight has just been a dump post kinda night so far.....
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How big would Zane have been in contest shape if he never took anabolics? 140lbs maybe?
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Why? Because one guy eats strict year round, and stays ripped, and trains for 2-3 hours a day, and another guy doesnt diet as well, and only does an hour or an hour and a half a day? Clue me in, I AM dumb, tell me why you put one guy on a pedestal, and the next guy is worthless and "all drugs"? In the end, (they) both are getting a lot of help from steroids.
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How big would Zane have been in contest shape if he never took anabolics? 140lbs maybe?
Nope.
Try 180 and above.
Even in his 60s he was a ripped 7 percent Natural at that point.
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Why? Because one guy eats strict year round, and stays ripped, and trains for 2-3 hours a day, and another guy doesnt diet as well, and only does an hour or an hour and a half a day? Clue me in, I AM dumb, tell me why you put one guy on a pedestal, and the next guy is worthless and "all drugs"? In the end, (they) both are getting a lot of help from steroids.
Because the drug use back then was in damn near theraputic doses compared to todays bodybuilders, also back then it WAS NOT all drugs....today it's flat out chemical warfare, with diet coming in a distant second followed by training, back then it was training first, diet second and then gear!
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Aight, your talking about nowadays pros but this is still a question of semantics. Adonis has ripped regular members like me and you for their steroid use, and this is my point. You can't have it both ways, if you are a steroid user, you are a steroid user. Just because one guy has an aesthetically pleasing, "natural" look to his physique, shouldn't vault him to a higher level in one's opinion, without even mentioning the drugs. When this same dude (Adonis) will bash an overly muscular unsymmetrical physique, and will simultaneously cry, "all drugs". Mr. "wishy washy" Adonis.
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Zane never has weighed under 170 lbs. He has been ripped his whole life. Kept his size and shape and conditioning his whole life.
All drugs is laughable.
fool, his nickname was "The Chemist". guess why.
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fool, his nickname was "The Chemist". guess why.
Uh because he was a Science teacher and Mathematical genius earning a Masters degree.
His students gave him this nickname by the way.
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Zane was the true Chemist just ask Arnold.Most thought Mentzer was a heavy user think again Zane was the man.Chemical warfare.
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MY diet is VERY similar that I have been following. With a few exceptions. Here it is, straight from his own diary!
5 egg omelet with 3 ounces cheese and chicken
2 cups of coffee
8 ounces of chicken and diet soda
Milk
Protein Powder
Coffee
16 ounces of fish with 1 Lite Beer.
This was followed for a few weeks prior to the 1980 Olympia.
Monster starving :o
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Just because Zane markets himself as a "thinking man's bodybuilder" doesn't mean he wasn't a walking pharmacy just like the rest of them.
Monster double standard.
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Zane was the true Chemist just ask Arnold.Most thought Mentzer was a heavy user think again Zane was the man.Chemical warfare.
exactly, just look at his diet. It's that of a tiny bird. He was obviously all drugs.
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BTW, Adonis you look awesome in those pics !
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That summer diet is about 1250-1500 calories....enough to support about 125lbs case closed. Zane was all drugs.
LOL....k ::)!!
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I heard that Zane was somewhat big at the beggining of his career
is that true ?
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I heard that Zane was somewhat big at the beggining of his career
is that true ?
Don't let these idiots fool you, Zane wasn't as small as you might think!
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i dont think zane EVER wieghed an ounce over 180lbs if he is 5-9. also, eating like that, naturally, he would have been a 'pretty lean' 150lbs, FACT.
zane drank more beer than me, who would have thought. you say he wasnt about the drugs, but give him that diet, with the beer and soda(?) and no carbs and all, and take away the DBOL and he wouldnt have looked even close to what he did.
ALL DRUGS
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oh I never said he was small
People look at pictures and always say: that guy is tiny, small this, small that
pictures don't always do justice to a guy. even if Zane was a ripped 185 or 190 onstage at like what... 5'8 ? that's still somewhat big and if I saw him at the gym I would be impress with his shape/conditionning and all
but I heard Zane has been in the 220's when he was younger
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Zane was the true Chemist just ask Arnold.Most thought Mentzer was a heavy user think again Zane was the man.CHEMICAL WARFARE
hmmmmmm........ you see that Mr. Intenseone
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LOL he drank beer during his contest prep...wtf
Beer has a strong diuretic effect as does diet soda so long as you don't overdue it.
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i dont think zane EVER wieghed an ounce over 180lbs if he is 5-9. also, eating like that, naturally, he would have been a 'pretty lean' 150lbs, FACT.
zane drank more beer than me, who would have thought. you say he wasnt about the drugs, but give him that diet, with the beer and soda(?) and no carbs and all, and take away the DBOL and he wouldnt have looked even close to what he did.
ALL DRUGS
I never said he didn't take anything, it would be naive to think he did not, but he definatly was not ALL DRUGS like it is today, it's also naive to think he was all drugs!
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hmmmmmm........ you see that Mr. Intenseone
See what? I never said he wasn't on anything, and yes, I do know the reason why they called him the chemist, but I promise it was for his overuse of gear!
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anyone who says todays bodybuilders are all drugs doesnt have a clue.
here is a comment toney freeman made in another thread.....
How hard do you have to train and diet to be 175-235 lbs. @ 5-7% bf on stage. Hell you did'nt even have to tan or paint to win back then. I am way old school but Let's not miniturize what's going on right now. we can't go backwards. I need 8-10 meals/day 2 workouts 2 cardios and 10-12 hrs sleep. Someone has gotta Help a brother out!
to bring that kind of muscularity and conditioning onstage u gotta bust your ass....i dont care how many drugs are used...sure their is gonna be some lazy bodybuilders who want to build a physique on drugs alone but those guys dont win and dont last.
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anyone who says todays bodybuilders are all drugs doesnt have a clue.
here is a comment toney freeman made in another thread.....
How hard do you have to train and diet to be 175-235 lbs. @ 5-7% bf on stage. Hell you did'nt even have to tan or paint to win back then. I am way old school but Let's not miniturize what's going on right now. we can't go backwards. I need 8-10 meals/day 2 workouts 2 cardios and 10-12 hrs sleep. Someone has gotta Help a brother out!
to bring that kind of muscularity and conditioning onstage u gotta bust your ass....i dont care how many drugs are used...sure their is gonna be some lazy bodybuilders who want to build a physique on drugs alone but those guys dont win and dont last.
Don't have a clue huh? You haven't been into this bodybuilding thing too long have you?
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Don't have a clue huh? You haven't been into this bodybuilding thing too long have you?
nah ive just been around it for almost half my life...why u got something u wanna teach me? lol ::)
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nah ive just been around it for almost half my life...why u got something u wanna teach me? lol ::)
How old are you?
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34
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34
34, yes, I can teach you something...ask away ;D!!
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intensone is 69 now and have been bodybuilding since 1950 !
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34, yes, I can teach you something...ask away ;D!!
no, i'm good...ive had all the bodybuilding education i need.
but maybe u should call out profreeman and tell him he's a lazy pussy with a physique built on drugs.
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He has great symmetry and lines, but I would rather have the symmetry and lines of Flex Wheeler, than Zane. Zane always stayed at the same body weight even on juice, why is that? Why did he not wanna grow. Wasn't he considered a light heavyweight? Arnold and those guys ran all over Zane. To be big, you have to eat big. Sorry TA
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Uh because he was a Science teacher and Mathematical genius earning a Masters degree.
His students gave him this nickname by the way.
um, WRONG! he was a massive drug addict and was in fact on "the sauce"
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Zane used the sauce but his body reacted to that of a female bodybodybuilder. Even today, Iris Kelly and her gang of she males would dominate Zane. And his light beers.
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No entire diet.
You guys are wondering what a Rheo Blair egg is I bet.
A Rheo Egg is first boil water, drop in an egg for 2 minutes, crack shell drop in tall thin glass,pour in 2 ounces of beer.
I used to corespond with Rheo and talk to him on the phone and I never heard that one!
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MY diet is VERY similar that I have been following. With a few exceptions. Here it is, straight from his own diary!
5 egg omelet with 3 ounces cheese and chicken
2 cups of coffee
8 ounces of chicken and diet soda
Milk
Protein Powder
Coffee
16 ounces of fish with 1 Lite Beer.
This was followed for a few weeks prior to the 1980 Olympia.
Sure bro, 16 ounces of fish with 1 lite beer? Let me guess did he come in "soft" or "hard"
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Uh because he was a Science teacher and Mathematical genius earning a Masters degree.
His students gave him this nickname by the way.
It always makes me smile that people think because Zane was lighter than a lot of the guys he did not take as much shit as the rest of them.... You would be dead wrong!
His students may have given him the nickname but there is a reason it stuck. Oh, and it had fuck all to do with teaching chemistry to college kids.
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Because the drug use back then was in damn near theraputic doses compared to todays bodybuilders, also back then it WAS NOT all drugs....today it's flat out chemical warfare, with diet coming in a distant second followed by training, back then it was training first, diet second and then gear!
I agree with you on the drug doses being near theraputic to todays standards however you mentioned that back then it was training first then diet and then gear...How do ya figure? Knowing what we know today about training, the guys of yesteryear were in most cases overtrained...Their training actually worked against them...So it was the little bit of drugs that made their bodies hang on....These guys never got on stage under 5-6% bodyfat...Take a look at Zane's diet here...its actually a joke...And it only worked because of the little drugs that he was using....These guys did well because of genetics and the little drugs that were used...Training and diet were far from 1 and 2....esp. by todays standards....
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What type of coffee is good for dieting?
The kind you drink. ::)
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(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/zane/fz110.jpg)
(http://www.frankzane.com/images/FZbeard.jpg)
Zane was built. How many of todays pro's can do a vacuum? Bodybuilding has went so far backwards its not even funny.
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hmmmmmm........ you see that Mr. Intenseone
That was just a post by some anonymous person, and you take it as gospel? You are truly clueless.
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um, WRONG! he was a massive drug addict
You enjoy defaming somebody with absolutely no evidence to back it up? ???
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Franco Columbu's BB Nutrition Book recommends that a 200 lb bb looking to add muscle mass should eat about 2500 calories if he works out 2-3 hours a day 4-5 days a week. First off the workouts are just too long for even some of the most hardcore lifters unless you are in the gym talking and the calories seem way to low.
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I believe the Rheo egg was a raw egg whipped in a bowl ( with a fork, a whisk broke the fat in the cream down too much ) with a little half & half. I am going to e-mail him and ask him, although the answer might be in his training diaries book.
Frank used beer and wine in moderation with his meals ( one or two drinks a day maximum ) to stimulate his appetite. I recall being at a seminar 5 weeks prior to the 79 Olympia where he made this statement.
Adonis, you are looking fantastic.
The Beef.
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Franco Columbu's BB Nutrition Book recommends that a 200 lb bb looking to add muscle mass should eat about 2500 calories if he works out 2-3 hours a day 4-5 days a week. First off the workouts are just too long for even some of the most hardcore lifters unless you are in the gym talking and the calories seem way to low.
bullshit I am on a really clean 3500 calories diet right now and I am still losing bf at 205 lbs
I will never gain an onze of muscle if I eat 2500 calories. In fact, I will lose a lot of weight
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Zane never has weighed under 170 lbs. He has been ripped his whole life. Kept his size and shape and conditioning his whole life.
All drugs is laughable.
I'm not saying he's all drugs but the guy used to be called "the Chemist"
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I`ll get right on it you skinny non-working out loser.
Man oh man...you gotta do something about that hair and ears....I know you cant do much about the ears, but at least fix your hair
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On Zane's website it says that he has a Masters in Psychology...not Chemistry...but he was a Math and Science teacher.
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On Zane's website it says that he has a Masters in Psychology...not Chemistry...but he was a Math and Science teacher.
no...that was his nickname given to him by other pro's back when he was competing.
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no...that was his nickname given to him by other pro's back when he was competing.
Straight from Frank's website:
Frank graduated first in his high school class of 1960 in Edwardsville, Pennsylvania, winning a college scholarship.
Received a Bachelor of Science Degree in Education from Wilkes University, Wilkes Barre, Pa. In 1964.
Earned a Bachelor of Arts Degree in Psychology from California State University Los Angeles in 1977 and completed requirements for a California Life Teaching Credential.
Awarded a Master of Arts Degree in Experimental Psychology from California State University San Bernardino, California in 1990.
WORK EXPERIENCE
Taught mathematics, chemistry, physics, natural sciences, physical education, and psychology in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Florida, and Los Angeles, California 1964 through 1977.
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Straight from Frank's website:
Frank graduated first in his high school class of 1960 in Edwardsville, Pennsylvania, winning a college scholarship.
Received a Bachelor of Science Degree in Education from Wilkes University, Wilkes Barre, Pa. In 1964.
Earned a Bachelor of Arts Degree in Psychology from California State University Los Angeles in 1977 and completed requirements for a California Life Teaching Credential.
Awarded a Master of Arts Degree in Experimental Psychology from California State University San Bernardino, California in 1990.
WORK EXPERIENCE
Taught mathematics, chemistry, physics, natural sciences, physical education, and psychology in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Florida, and Los Angeles, California 1964 through 1977.
what I'm saying is that back in the day, frank new his shit when it came to drugs and people nicknamed him the chemist...he even taught chemistry...I'm not saying he was all drugs but he new his shit.
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um, WRONG! he was a massive drug addict and was in fact on "the sauce"
NOPE!
He was originally a Chemistry major while training for Mr Universe.
He then switched his major to Pyschology and still taught and tutored Chemistry students on the side.
You know nothing of history of bodybuilders.
That is the Truth.
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Of all the Mr. Olympias I have to say that Frank Zane is the who really knew what BB is. He knew that bigger wasnt better!!!
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bullshit I am on a really clean 3500 calories diet right now and I am still losing bf at 205 lbs
I will never gain an onze of muscle if I eat 2500 calories. In fact, I will lose a lot of weight
You have never tried to grow on low calories therefore you don`t know if it will work.
It WILL WORK, you just have never tried it out of fear. Am I right?
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Steve Reeves used to eat around 200 grams protein and 200 carbs and low fat.
He grew just fine.....Eat big to get big is a huge BULLSHIT statement. This advice is for the Heavy Drug user on Insulin/GH and who the hell knows what else.
No idea why this has trickled down.
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whatever you want to say about zane is fine...but the guy still looks good for his age as compared to some of the remaining 70's crew---and he's still quite respected in the bodybuilding world for keeping a streamlined and appealing physique and not turning into some mastodon--as zane likes to call them...granted that era had come after frank's heyday but you still see guy's who are pushing 50 years old in magazines are juice to the gills...(gary strydom--for one!)
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Steve Reeves used to eat around 200 grams protein and 200 carbs and low fat.
He grew just fine.....Eat big to get big is a huge BULLSHIT statement. This advice is for the Heavy Drug user on Insulin/GH and who the hell knows what else.
No idea why this has trickled down.
the only people who have to go nuts with calories are pure ectomorphs, mesmo's and endo's are a different story.
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Zane had a more bulked look in late 60's to early seventies and then sculpted a fantastic competive look that brought a new dieting standard too play,but we all agree he used or had some help in getting him their,their weren't many drug guru's then but many people listened too gironda he was in great shape in the 60's,unlike today those guy's trained and hung out together like a small cult and probably shared all the vices that one did or needed for that era,today is like chemistry 101 and more secretive but they all know who's doing what and how to play the game.
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TA, u must be the type that watch soap operas.... has it occured to you that zane might just put something lame like drink beer to throw everybody off and that he rather keep his diet a secret. pros can say anything for poeple like us to follow. shit, he could simply put a gram of coke on there and you'd prolly follow it cuz zane says so...
dont always believe everything you read!
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Adonis, I too am a huge fan of Zane's but you won't find many on this website to join the club. Have you read his book "Mind, Body, and Spirit"? It's a little weird but has some useful info just like that diet you mentioned. I remember reading that he would train something like 4-5 bodyparts every workout.
BTW, looking great, man.
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You have never tried to grow on low calories therefore you don`t know if it will work.
It WILL WORK, you just have never tried it out of fear. Am I right?
I've always said in past posts, that getting 30,40 or 50lbs over contest weight is useless and has absolutly no scientific basis!
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In regards to the "Rheo Blair egg" :
Irving Johnson, ( AKA Rheo Blair ) did not believe in cooking eggs in boiling water but recommended cooking many eggs at one time in water maintained at 181 degrees for 31 minutes. The eggs were then left in the water to cool down slowly. Blair claimed that putting the eggs under cold water "shocked" many of the nutrients, rendering them ineffective and that cooking eggs in this fashion preserved much of their nutritional value.
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TA, this is laughable and ironic coming from you.
Zane is the EPITOME of "all drugs" He ate like a bird and won the Mr. Olympia, yet off the drugs he would be all of 125lbs soaking wet eating like that.
adonis got owned
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adonis got owned
I sure did not fatbody....You are another disgrace to Getbig.
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Zane never has weighed under 170 lbs. He has been ripped his whole life. Kept his size and shape and conditioning his whole life.
All drugs is laughable.
If you're not going to like steroid users...Then hate all steroid abusers !
You only like steroid abusers physique's that you think you can achieve naturally..(or at least close to it)...hypocrate!
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If you're not going to like steroid users...Then hate all steroid abusers !
You only like steroid abusers physique's that you think you can achieve naturally..(or at least close to it)...hypocrate!
Not true. I will put it to you like this. I hate eras. I hate this era of bodybuilding especially.
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TA, this is laughable and ironic coming from you.
Zane is the EPITOME of "all drugs" He ate like a bird and won the Mr. Olympia, yet off the drugs he would be all of 125lbs soaking wet eating like that.
You're not exactly the brightest when it come to debates like this are you??
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I've always said in past posts, that getting 30,40 or 50lbs over contest weight is useless and has absolutly no scientific basis!
Yeah, but didn't your mentor Rory like to have his guys eat and eat and eat Intense? Did he have you follow this?
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Yeah, but didn't your mentor Rory like to have his guys eat and eat and eat Intense? Did he have you follow this?
I saw the Diet that Rory gave Mr. Intenseone for getting lean....It is a really good diet and maybe he will post it with that great picture.
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Yeah, but didn't your mentor Rory like to have his guys eat and eat and eat Intense? Did he have you follow this?
He did, we used to smorgaboards and stay until we got kicked out, but that was the thinking back then. As I got older I realized that eating that much was counter productive and gaining 30-40lbs over contest weight to gain only a few pounds of muscle and suffer to lose that weight was too difficult, but because of my age back then I could eat and eat and still be relativley lean (no more than 20-25lbs) and even nowadays IMO is too much weight to carry for an offseason weight.
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Was it true that Frank was below 170 in the offseason?
In his journal he writes his weight down alot and it is around 190 usually.
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I saw the Diet that Rory gave Mr. Intenseone for getting lean....It is a really good diet and maybe he will post it with that great picture.
Meal 1 - 4 eggwhite omlette (plain), 1/2 slice of toast, coffee
Meal 2 - 6-8oz fish, 1/2 potato, water
Meal 3 - 6-8oz fish, water
Meal 4 - 4-6oz fish, salad with vinagar, water
I followed this for about 3 weeks, this was done because it was the last qualifier before the Nationals. I don't recommend this!
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adonis got owned
How did he get owned?
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I believe the Rheo egg was a raw egg whipped in a bowl ( with a fork, a whisk broke the fat in the cream down too much ) with a little half & half. I am going to e-mail him and ask him, although the answer might be in his training diaries book.
Frank used beer and wine in moderation with his meals ( one or two drinks a day maximum ) to stimulate his appetite. I recall being at a seminar 5 weeks prior to the 79 Olympia where he made this statement.
Adonis, you are looking fantastic.
The Beef.
In regards to the "Rheo Blair egg" :
Irving Johnson, ( AKA Rheo Blair ) did not believe in cooking eggs in boiling water but recommended cooking many eggs at one time in water maintained at 181 degrees for 31 minutes. The eggs were then left in the water to cool down slowly. Blair claimed that putting the eggs under cold water "shocked" many of the nutrients, rendering them ineffective and that cooking eggs in this fashion preserved much of their nutritional value.
That is something I had not read before . . . I must have been thinking about Vince Gironda's egg theory's.
The Beef
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You have never tried to grow on low calories therefore you don`t know if it will work.
It WILL WORK, you just have never tried it out of fear. Am I right?
Simple logic: If I don't gain muscle right now at 3500 calories, how can I gain muscle eating 2500 calories ?
2500 calories is what I was eating pre-contest last year when cutting down in the last few weeks of the diet
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Simple logic: If I don't gain muscle right now at 3500 calories, how can I gain muscle eating 2500 calories ?
2500 calories is what I was eating pre-contest last year when cutting down in the last few weeks of the diet
How do you know you aren`t gaining?
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How do you know you aren`t gaining?
His boyfriend collosus wasn't happy with the shortage.
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Simple logic: If I don't gain muscle right now at 3500 calories, how can I gain muscle eating 2500 calories ?
2500 calories is what I was eating pre-contest last year when cutting down in the last few weeks of the diet
For some reason TA thinks that everyone's metabolism is like him. I've never heard of a male eating 1100 calories and not shriveling up. I need anywhere from 2200-2700 calories per day or I lose weight too fast.
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For some reason TA thinks that everyone's metabolism is like him. I've never heard of a male eating 1100 calories and not shriveling up. I need anywhere from 2200-2700 calories per day or I lose weight too fast.
This is due to "Chicinism" meaning: Being to self-absorbed to think there are really other people out there different from yourself......
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How do you know you aren`t gaining?
well I got my bf checked. this last month I lost 9 pounds of fat and 2 pounds of muscle
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did his half-assed dieting pay off? you judge
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MY diet is VERY similar that I have been following. With a few exceptions. Here it is, straight from his own diary!
5 egg omelet with 3 ounces cheese and chicken
2 cups of coffee
8 ounces of chicken and diet soda
Milk
Protein Powder
Coffee
16 ounces of fish with 1 Lite Beer.
This was followed for a few weeks prior to the 1980 Olympia.
no wonder he looked like a swimmer haha
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Bodybuilders are overfed pigs.
There is no reason to consume mass quantities of food if you are Natural and especially if you aren`t taking that Insulin and GH garbage.
most honest post ever.
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no wonder he looked like a swimmer haha
idiot.
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idiot.
swimmer
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swimmer
meltdown.
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meltdown.
original
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most honest post ever.
arent you the guy who used to say, 'monster undereating'?
hinestly though, i agree what they promote in the magazines is so ridiculously overboard that anyone trying to eat that much would be fat as fuck. i dont even count anything anymore or take any supps at all even protein powder. i just eat whenever i feel like it. and i look better actually than when i was trying to 'eat big to get big'
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What type of coffee is good for dieting?
CAFFEINATED......conduci ve for burning fat. 8)
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Did Zane have a drinking problem?
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Did Zane have a drinking problem?
a beer or two a day is hardly a drinking problem...Some Doctors believe that 2 drinks a day is actually good for the heart...esp. if its red wine...I don't necessarly believe it for i believe its just propaganda. Just like every year some doctor will say coffee is good for you...Doesn't take a genius to realise that anything that speeds up the system is hardly good for the ticker...
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MY diet is VERY similar that I have been following. With a few exceptions. Here it is, straight from his own diary!
5 egg omelet with 3 ounces cheese and chicken
2 cups of coffee
8 ounces of chicken and diet soda
Milk
Protein Powder
Coffee
16 ounces of fish with 1 Lite Beer.
This was followed for a few weeks prior to the 1980 Olympia.
Exactly why the bodybuilders back then looked like swimmers, Zane being the prime example... ::)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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MY diet is VERY similar that I have been following. With a few exceptions. Here it is, straight from his own diary!
5 egg omelet with 3 ounces cheese and chicken
2 cups of coffee
8 ounces of chicken and diet soda
Milk
Protein Powder
Coffee
16 ounces of fish with 1 Lite Beer.
This was followed for a few weeks prior to the 1980 Olympia.
I remember reading this when I was a kid. Good stuff. Brutal though.
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MY diet is VERY similar that I have been following. With a few exceptions. Here it is, straight from his own diary!
5 egg omelet with 3 ounces cheese and chicken
2 cups of coffee
8 ounces of chicken and diet soda
Milk
Protein Powder
Coffee
16 ounces of fish with 1 Lite Beer.
This was followed for a few weeks prior to the 1980 Olympia.
Offseason diet, yes.
Several friends know Frank and it's common knowledge that you can purchase a training weekend with him and he goes over his contest "diet" and none of the diets he writes to clients is there that much dairy and protein in one sitting (5 eggs and chicken) cheese and milk same day.
Don't know where this was pulled but this was before e would start prep. His protein of choice was fish and he would and still does eat like a bird. Breakfast 3 to 4 eggs and half a grapefruit, etc.
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The swimmers like Zane, look 200 times better than the Michelin Men of today. Bloat, Oil, thongs up their cracks... Plus Frank eats grapefruit, Kai F#$ks it...
(http://www.naylornetwork.com/naf-nwl/assets/michelin-man.jpg)
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Brutal thread from 2006 lol stavios, suckmymucle etc