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According to a cardiologist that treats athletes (specially MLB and NFL players )I did an interview with this morning in Boston MA he told me that 50 % of the pro bodybuilder's in Mr.O level are suffering from heart condition (irregular heartbeat) due to the tickness of the blood from anabolic hormones) that doesn't mean they're going to drop dead on stage this year but they have been treated for such condition.....despite they say they're healthy.
I'm sadly surprised, i think that is way too hight average
just wanted to share this info.........
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Its a trade off that athletes in any profession face. Football, basketball, bb, etc. all have risks but the trick is to be smart about what the body can handle and don't go beyond that just to win.
PS: I know alot of get biggers say bb isn't a sport so I went to Webster's Dictionary online to get a definition to clarify the matter.
Main Entry: ath·lete
Pronunciation: 'ath-"lEt, ÷'a-th&-"lEt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin athleta, from Greek athlEtEs, from athlein to contend for a prize, from athlon prize, contest
: a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina
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a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina
now we just need to get them to accept jerking off as an exercise, then anyone can be an athlete.
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now we just need to get them to accept jerking off as an exercise, then anyone can be an athlete.
I guess I would definitly be a Pro Athlete since I can use either hand on my bat
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Its a trade off that athletes in any profession face. Football, basketball, bb, etc. all have risks but the trick is to be smart about what the body can handle and don't go beyond that just to win.
PS: I know alot of get biggers say bb isn't a sport so I went to Webster's Dictionary online to get a definition to clarify the matter.
Main Entry: ath·lete
Pronunciation: 'ath-"lEt, ÷'a-th&-"lEt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin athleta, from Greek athlEtEs, from athlein to contend for a prize, from athlon prize, contest
: a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina
This just means that every person that belongs to weight trains or does aerobics is an athelte. BB is NOT a sport and this post you made doesn't prove otherwise. But good try.
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According to a cardiologist that treats athletes (specially MLB and NFL players )I did an interview with this morning in Boston MA he told me that 50 % of the pro bodybuilder's in Mr.O level are suffering from heart condition (irregular heartbeat) due to the tickness of the blood from anabolic hormones) that doesn't mean they're going to drop dead on stage this year but they have been treated for such condition.....despite they say they're healthy.
I'm sadly surprised, i think that is way too hight average
just wanted to share this info.........
Nothing more than an educated guess, as the Doc would've had to test 100% of the Bbers to arrive at that number...I'd be curious to know what the NFL rate is, etc....
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Nothing more than an educated guess, as the Doc would've had to test 100% of the Bbers to arrive at that number...I'd be curious to know what the NFL rate is, etc....
well the numbers are high in the NFL no a single doubt ...and he is a fan of b.b as he knew some of the bigger names in the sport , in fact he named you!! he thinks you're falling pretty soon.......
........Just kidding :) ;D
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This just means that every person that belongs to weight trains or does aerobics is an athelte. BB is NOT a sport and this post you made doesn't prove otherwise. But good try.
By your childlike reasoning it would also be true that anyone who plays football could be considered an athlete.
Perhaps some clarification is needed here - an athlete is someone who performs to a high standard in their sport for instance.
But what would qualify as a "high standard"?
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Nothing more than an educated guess, as the Doc would've had to test 100% of the Bbers to arrive at that number...
Actually, the concept of polling is that you take a sample of the population, study their results, then use that data to arrive at a number which you can prove to be correct within a certain % using statistical tools.
Bob, you know about the bell curve and standard deviation, don't you?
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I'm pretty sure steroids make your blood thinner, not thicker . . .
You sir, are an idiot
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I guess I would definitly be a Pro Athlete since I can use either hand on my bat
That's not pro, using both hands like I do is.
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This just means that every person that belongs to weight trains or does aerobics is an athelte. BB is NOT a sport and this post you made doesn't prove otherwise. But good try.
Here is what sport means from freedictionary.com
sport (spôrt, sprt)
n.
1.
a. Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
b. A particular form of this activity.
2. An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
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"Competitive bodybuilding" = competition
Training and posing = physical exertion b/c both are quite stenuous especially on a reduced calorie diet
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well sport or not, i dont think people look at it as a sport in the same sense as boxing.
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well sport or not, i dont think people look at it as a sport in the same sense as boxing.
I agree.
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Nothing more than an educated guess, as the Doc would've had to test 100% of the Bbers to arrive at that number...I'd be curious to know what the NFL rate is, etc....
let's just hope that the eggwhite people aren't putting you in charge of any money over there.
If you don't understand how a simple population sample can be used to reach something more than "an educated guess", I sure wouldn't want you in charge of marketing efforts or resource allocation.
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Every sport has its risks. I think the most injury related sport per person is basketball, followed by football, if I cam correct.
http://www.americansportsdata.com/sports_injury1.asp
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Every sport has its risks. I think the most injury related sport per person is basketball, followed by football, if I cam correct.
http://www.americansportsdata.com/sports_injury1.asp
True...every sport does have risks....but first of all.....this isn't a sport.
I guess it would be better said....
"Every drug abuser has a risk of prematurely ending their lives or shorting them."
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True...every sport does have risks....but first of all.....this isn't a sport.
I guess it would be better said....
"Every drug abuser has a risk of prematurely ending their lives or shorting them."
Its not a sport if you don't practice it and you my friend... watch kitty porn all day so its a safe assumption you have never lifted a weight in your life.
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Its not a sport if you don't practice it and you my friend... watch kitty porn all day so its a safe assumption you have never lifted a weight in your life.
Hey Alexxx...anwser me this.....
Does Vegas consider it a sport?
Will a bookie place a bet for you & give you a spread on a contest?
think about it.....I know it's difficult....
there's your answer
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Hey Alexxx...anwser me this.....
Does Vegas consider it a sport?
Will a bookie place a bet for you & give you a spread on a contest?
think about it.....I know it's difficult....
there's your answer
Thats stupid! There are not enought people who even know what bodybuilding is.
Answer me this: is horse racing a sport?
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Thats stupid! There are not enought people who even know what bodybuilding is.
Answer me this: is horse racing a sport?
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I thought we were talking about humans for a second....
never mind DS....go back to your work outs
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Its not a sport if you don't practice it and you my friend... watch kitty porn all day so its a safe assumption you have never lifted a weight in your life.
Kitty porn? LMAO!!!!
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This will the front row of SOON TO BE MR O COMPETITORS....
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Nothing more than an educated guess, as the Doc would've had to test 100% of the Bbers to arrive at that number...I'd be curious to know what the NFL rate is, etc....
Football players exercise their heart with allot of cardio everyday. BB's lift weights and take mega doses of roids. Sure there are probably some problems in the NFL but not near as many as BB as a whole.
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This just means that every person that belongs to weight trains or does aerobics is an athelte. BB is NOT a sport and this post you made doesn't prove otherwise. But good try.
yes it does
bodybuilding is competitive physical exertion
bodybuilding = sport
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let's just hope that the eggwhite people aren't putting you in charge of any money over there.
If you don't understand how a simple population sample can be used to reach something more than "an educated guess", I sure wouldn't want you in charge of marketing efforts or resource allocation.
Please STFU,you already showed you have no analitical knowlege.
A study of this sort will need to use a huge variance in its statistics because of the many variables in it.
So he was right that the Doc will need a very large sample to claim a 50% in the total popultion.
Im sure he got 50% in his study ,but with the mad variance his PDF /ADF got he can make too many assumptions.
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let's just hope that the eggwhite people aren't putting you in charge of any money over there.
If you don't understand how a simple population sample can be used to reach something more than "an educated guess", I sure wouldn't want you in charge of marketing efforts or resource allocation.
Mhmm... 240.... it's true, Chick statement was not correct. But in this case the population is so small (20 or so) that in order to have a reasonable level of confidence for any inferential purpose you need a big sample (compared to the population), at least 10. However that is still more than an educated guess because the doctor's claim is based on some scientific knowledge and reported cases.
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Please STFU,you already showed you have no analitical knowlege.
hey champ, can you help me out? I don't know what that word means. "analitical"? Some sort of cornholing terminology?
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hey champ, can you help me out? I don't know what that word means. "analitical"? Some sort of cornholing terminology?
LOL ;D
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hey champ, can you help me out? I don't know what that word means. "analytical"? Some sort of cornholing terminology?
As usual you try to change subject when you get owned.
Analytical diagnosing is something you obviously cant do.
Yeah...you're MBA sure sounds legit,go back and check what variance is.
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As usual you try to change subject when you get owned.
Analytical diagnosing is something you obviously cant do.
Yeah...you're MBA sure sounds legit,go back and check what variance is.
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Such a slick reply... ::)
This have nothing to do with Bob,I didnt eve noticed he posted.
This is all about you trying to sound smart and you just say a bunch of BS about statistics.Go back to school son.
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This is all about you trying to sound smart and you just say a bunch of BS about statistics.Go back to school son.
I don't really like the current interest rates on student loans.
You sound like the kinda guy who get a monthly check for being a little too slow for the fast lane known as life. Hook a brother up with some learnin' stipends?
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LOL!!! That was good.
yeah it sure was sweet hey! youre so smart guy coz you dont even have to say it but we can only guess that you already know what those things are while the rest of us just sit here and pretend
yeah
it sure was sweet
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Should healthy and mr. Olympia be in the same sentance. isn't that an oxymoron.
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I don't really like the current interest rates on student loans.
You sound like the kinda guy who get a monthly check for being a little too slow for the fast lane known as life. Hook a brother up with some learnin' stipends?
I love the way you try and steer off the subject.As usual you get owned and you just try to deny it ever happend.
240 life in denial for the win ::)
Go go trailer trash!
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I love the way you try and steer off the subject.As usual you get owned and you just try to deny it ever happend.
240 life in denial for the win ::)
Go go trailer trash!
Sounds like your dinner is really kicking in. 20/20 as usual? Or did you spoil yourself with some boone's strawberry hill?
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Every sport has its risks. I think the most injury related sport per person is basketball, followed by football, if I cam correct.
http://www.americansportsdata.com/sports_injury1.asp
Yes but they (other sports) all are open about their "risks" and injury...
In Mr.O no matter if the percentage is lower than 50, they will always deny it...
You think that if Ronnie,Jay,Victor,Gustavo,Gunter,Dexter, etc.. if any of these guys are suffering from high blood pressure or "something else" will come clean about it??
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Its a trade off that athletes in any profession face. Football, basketball, bb, etc. all have risks but the trick is to be smart about what the body can handle and don't go beyond that just to win.
PS: I know alot of get biggers say bb isn't a sport so I went to Webster's Dictionary online to get a definition to clarify the matter.
Main Entry: ath·lete
Pronunciation: 'ath-"lEt, ÷'a-th&-"lEt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin athleta, from Greek athlEtEs, from athlein to contend for a prize, from athlon prize, contest
: a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina
It says "skill"....Bodybuilding requires NO skill!!
Hope this helps!
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Nothing more than an educated guess, as the Doc would've had to test 100% of the Bbers to arrive at that number...I'd be curious to know what the NFL rate is, etc....
An extremly educated guess. And I would assume the NFL would depend on the position played...I'm sure linemen would be at a higher risk!
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It says "skill"....Bodybuilding requires NO skill!!
Hope this helps!
this thinking is the reason you never turned pro
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this thinking is the reason you never turned pro
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Don't be rediculous, I've always said it wasn't a sport, it didn't make me train any less harder. I never had the desire to turn pro!
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Don't be rediculous, I've always said it wasn't a sport, it didn't make me train any less harder. I never had the desire to turn pro!
that is what you tell yourself so you sleep better at night
you were good i'm not taking that away from you
but you weren't good enough
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Don't be rediculous, I've always said it wasn't a sport, it didn't make me train any less harder. I never had the desire to turn pro!
Mr. Intenseone your name contradicts your beliefs!
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not by any means am i saying its a sport but how many people die each year in Alaska King crabbing?
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There is nothing healthy about the Olympia..even the tans are fake and the prize money is a joke.
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Actually, the concept of polling is that you take a sample of the population, study their results, then use that data to arrive at a number which you can prove to be correct within a certain % using statistical tools.
Bob, you know about the bell curve and standard deviation, don't you?
Yeah...I wen't to school myself.
I also know that I find it hard to believe that this particular Dr. in all probability, has seen/ diagnosed enough of the athletes at the Olympia level, to make such a statement that 50% of them are suffering from this or that...
If he tested 2 Olympians, and 1 happened to have these symptoms...I guess he could say 50%...but he would also have to disclose that he has tested only 2...either way, it would hardly be a reflection, or any conclusive evidence of ANY sort of study.
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According to a cardiologist that treats athletes (specially MLB and NFL players )I did an interview with this morning in Boston MA he told me that 50 % of the pro bodybuilder's in Mr.O level are suffering from heart condition (irregular heartbeat) due to the tickness of the blood from anabolic hormones) that doesn't mean they're going to drop dead on stage this year but they have been treated for such condition.....despite they say they're healthy.
I'm sadly surprised, i think that is way too hight average
just wanted to share this info.........
How does he know that? Is it just educated speculation or has he actually tested the Mr. O competitors? I don't think he has tested them. Also remember that the lifestyle of LOTS of pro athetes (NFL etc) is a very unhealthy one. Training basically only takes place half the year and they party and drink and drug like no tomorrow. Any one ever hang out with Marvin Jones?
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I also know that I find it hard to believe that this particular Dr. in all probability, has seen/ diagnosed enough of the athletes at the Olympia level, to make such a statement that 50% of them are suffering from this or that...
If he tested 2 Olympians, and 1 happened to have these symptoms...I guess he could say 50%...but he would also have to disclose that he has tested only 2...either way, it would hardly be a reflection, or any conclusive evidence of ANY sort of study.
Right. But suppose he wanted stats on Olympians from the last 5 years. how many men is that, 40 maybe? You could examine 20 of them and get a pretty good estimation of the health of all of them to a measureable probability of error. All polls have some margin of error. But you don't call 290 million people when you want to see who will be president. You get a sampling. Same way for the mr Os.
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If the question at hand is...are athletes at world class levels healthy? My guess would be that many in as many different sports are not the epitome of what would be generally considered "good health"....
There hasn't been enough data from the thread starter, to put any stock into the Doc's findings...as I said, it sounds very much like a educated guess, nothing more.
My educated guess is, that the overwhelming number of DOCTORS are in far worse health than bodybuilders...
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If the question at hand is...are athletes at world class levels healthy? My guess would be that many in as many different sports are not the epitome of what would be generally considered "good health"....
There hasn't been enough data from the thread starter, to put any stock into the Doc's findings...as I said, it sounds very much like a educated guess, nothing more.
My educated guess is, that the overwhelming number of DOCTORS are in far worse health than bodybuilders...
I gotta say that upon the many doctors I have met....Bob is right on this one....Damn I hated saying that.... ;D
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If the question at hand is...are athletes at world class levels healthy? My guess would be that many in as many different sports are not the epitome of what would be generally considered "good health"....
There hasn't been enough data from the thread starter, to put any stock into the Doc's findings...as I said, it sounds very much like a educated guess, nothing more.
My educated guess is, that the overwhelming number of DOCTORS are in far worse health than bodybuilders...
You are right Chick, alot of professional athletes have had health problems and alot of it has to do with overtraining or taking the body beyond it's limits. Even though these athletes can do almost superhuman things it is quite unhealthy to do so much trainign and also athletes eat for a competeive edge and not to be healthy and end up omitting foods that are nescessary for health.
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Right. But suppose he wanted stats on Olympians from the last 5 years. how many men is that, 40 maybe? You could examine 20 of them and get a pretty good estimation of the health of all of them to a measureable probability of error. All polls have some margin of error. But you don't call 290 million people when you want to see who will be president. You get a sampling. Same way for the mr Os.
He COULD have done a lot of things...but were not debating ways in which to conduct a study...were debating his findings based on the little data provided by the thread starter.
I would have no problem IF he had a sampling, or if he has studied 25 guys at the Olympia level, etc...
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that is what you tell yourself so you sleep better at night
you were good i'm not taking that away from you
but you weren't good enough
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And I wasn't good enough why?? FYI, In those pics I just turned 21 and just because I wasn't stupid enough to risk my health doesn't mean I couldn't have done it, and it was just a about a year before that I was playing AA baseball and the trainers back then would rarley let me lift on a regular basis, I do know one thing, guys like Kamali would have been an issue :-X!!
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100% of actively competing pro bodybuilders are leading unhealthy lives
95% of them convince themselves otherwise
87% of statements made by Chick are lies
63% of statistics are fabricated
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He COULD have done a lot of things...but were not debating ways in which to conduct a study...
You made a statement which claimed the Doc's word was BS because he didn't test every bodybuilder:
the Doc would've had to test 100% of the Bbers to arrive at that number...
To me, when a man abuses statistics, it's like smacking a woman, ya know?
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Please STFU,you already showed you have no analitical knowlege.
A study of this sort will need to use a huge variance in its statistics because of the many variables in it.
So he was right that the Doc will need a very large sample to claim a 50% in the total popultion.
Im sure he got 50% in his study ,but with the mad variance his PDF /ADF got he can make too many assumptions.
haha he said 100% which wouldn't be a sample at all.
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The president's approval rating is meaningless. There is room for too much variance, since they don't poll every singly U.S. citizen.
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Well I know a few statistics Chic can't argue
1. The IFBB is 100% fucked up
2. The Olympia is at least 80% fucked up
3. AMI knows 0% about BB
4. Manion is 100% in this for himself and family
5. The IFBB cares 0% about their members
6. The IFBB is less than 40% of what it was in the 70's and 80's
7. 100% of every competitive IFBB pro takes outrageous amounts of roids
8. Less than 5% of all IFBB members make his living directly from competing
9. 99.9999% of all IFBB members are scared boys who have no self respect or honor (excluding Lee)
10. The IFBB is 100% fucked up
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Well, as for all we know, Ronnie once claimed that he's healthier than his doctor.. I guess the doctor was on the death bed
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The president's approval rating is meaningless. There is room for too much variance, since they don't poll every singly U.S. citizen.
I heard you have to poll every citizen twice. In case they didn't hear you right the first time.
Chiconomics is fun :) Compete distortion of any facts or logic to fit an agenda.
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You dont need to bother your self talking about this study.
I think it has been proved enough by the list of dead pool of BBer.
Pros are not healthy? No surprise.
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You made a statement which claimed the Doc's word was BS because he didn't test every bodybuilder:
To me, when a man abuses statistics, it's like smacking a woman, ya know?
Do you actualy know how to create a density function?
I bet that while doing your "mba" you never saw any other distribution beside Gausses.
Why dont you go back and try to calculate freefall speed before you go into more complicated areas as statistics?
Being fat and living at a trailer park/getbig.com is the way to go...I will strive for my kids to be just like you ::)
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My educated guess is, that the overwhelming number of DOCTORS are in far worse health than bodybuilders...
That doesn't sound like "hope" for pro b.b either............... :'(
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There hasn't been enough data from the thread starter, to put any stock into the Doc's findings...as I said, it sounds very much like a educated guess, nothing more.
There won't b enough data because not body cares to spend$$ in such "stats" or "polls".........
I know doctors who are involved with bodybuildes diets and life styles" and based on what they see they can talk to you "off the record"............. now will they go and make a research on that?? I don't think so'..........
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He COULD have done a lot of things...but were not debating ways in which to conduct a study...were debating his findings based on the little data provided by the thread starter.
I would have no problem IF he had a sampling, or if he has studied 25 guys at the Olympia level, etc...
You're trying to argue with a guy who thinks the World Trade Center was destroyed by a "controlled demolition" and that the Pentagon was hit by a missile on 9/11. ::)
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Does any body remember the Bertil Fox murders? Sports Illustrated ran an article Bertil and the world of bodybuilding, and that was sick. Those writers for SI should be put to an electric chair
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did any body saw that piece by Sport illustrated, that was sick