* Conspiracy theories, such as seeing seemingly unrelated news events as parts of a larger, typically conspiratorial plan
Ouch. 240 didn't you imply that the arrest of alleged JonBenet killer was some kind of planned diversion?
Ouch. 240 didn't you imply that the arrest of alleged JonBenet killer was some kind of planned diversion?
but use common sense first...and during the act... absolutely... I agree... Question everything does not mean to accept everything questioned.
but use common sense first...
I suggested the possibility. I pointed out that the 911 truth movement was getting a lot of media attention in july. Then we had the UK terror scare dominate the news. Then as soon as there was no new news, this clown comes out of nowhere and confesses. He is escoretd by homeland security - for some odd reason, the only available agency to help is the one that the executive branch built and directly controls. Then, 2 hours after he was cleared, they arrested this polygamist from Utah. Just seems like as soon as one distractor ends, the next begins.
Beach bum, yes or no: Do you believe that the govt has ever committed any self-attacks in order to further its agenda?
ommon sense says we cannot see the future.
See: The pentagon brass that all cancelled their 9/11 AM flights.
240, it sounds like no matter what contrary evidence you are presented with, you will always insist that 9/11 was an inside job.
no matter what.
please show me contrary evidence telling where this plane went. how did it make a perfect 16-foot hole IN, and a perfect 16-foot hole out. It's so obviously a missile man.
use common sense. Does this look like a missile hole, or look like a plane hole?
you're quite sick in the head, my friend. anyone can see in the pic you've so kindly supplied us with that the entry "hole" is far larger than the "exit." I don't know why i'm pointing this out to you . . . as banging my head on my dresser would probably be a more productive activity.
you're quite sick in the head, my friend. anyone can see in the pic you've so kindly supplied us with that the entry "hole" is far larger than the "exit." I don't know why i'm pointing this out to you . . . as banging my head on my dresser would probably be a more productive activity.
as banging my head on my dresser.No... fucking please... Don't let us stop you... Go ahead... Get a fucking running start at it too ;)
for any non-delusional getbiggers who might click on this thread:
it's amusing how 240 and his ilk are being disowned by the 9/11 skeptics . . . just scroll down the page for a little bit. ;D
http://www.oilempire.us/pentagon.html
240, you're giving conspiracy theorists a bad name.
http://www.oilempire.us/pentagon.html
HAHAHA dude, your source is a shill company for the oil empire lol... monster self-ownage
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You're using a highly politically motivated website to make your arguments.
I present politically neutral evidence.
Your website has an agenda.
My only agenda is finding out the answers to teh unanswered Qs of 911.
Are you admitting you were wrong about the "in" hole at the pentagon? Have you yet figured out how a boeing was able to enter a 16-foot hole, completely disappear, yet still drill through 3 newly reinforced buildings?
Common sense says when there's a plane crash, you find a plane.
See: Pentagon.
Common sense says when America is under attack, the President gets to work.
See: President at elem. school from 9:02 til 9:30 after finding out.
Common sense says buildings do not fall from fire in freefall speed.
See:
WTC7 collapse.
Common sense says hijacked planes don't fly for 80 minuts unattended.
See: Flight 77.
Common sense says hijackers are on the planes they hijack.
See: Flight manifast for flight 77 - no arabs bought tickets, no arabs were autopsied.
Common sense says we cannot see the future.
See: The pentagon brass that all cancelled their 9/11 AM flights.
Common sense says you investigate a crime scene.
See: Guilliani shipping crime scene to China for recycling and not testing one piece of steel for chemical analysis.
Common sense says you investigate 4 plane crashes immediately.
See: Bush waited 18 months to start, and only did so because of intense media pressure.
If you use common sense, you really see some problems with the day's events.
We've talked about this one....
See: Pentagon.
Then where did the poeple go?
Who killed them?
Where did the plane go then?
How many people from how many different companies and departments many of which are unrelated were needed to pull this off? Make a plane and it's apssengers disappear?
Use common sense there.
See: President at elem. school from 9:02 til 9:30 after finding out.
It only suggests he knew about it and knew he wasn't in danger it does not suggest a military opp becuase of all the other inconsistacies.
See:
WTC7 collapse.
We are making assumptions based on incomplete information and we are all NOT even close to having any expertese on this. Except A_Joker and we all know what he thinks.
See: Flight 77.
Common sense says yes if you have knowledge of the defense posture and protocol the day of the attack. They were trained for defending an attack from an outward position. If the planes were stationary then they would have got there in time but they were flying and that added to the time it took to get there which added to the confusion makes perfect sense.
See: Guilliani shipping crime scene to China for recycling and not testing one piece of steel for chemical analysis.
Who says one piece or pieces weren't tested and because of all the other crap chemicals and compounds from 100+ stories that crashed down drenched with plane fuel tha the test were inconclusinve and not mentioned yet?
See: Bush waited 18 months to start, and only did so because of intense media pressure.
Common sense says he's playing CYA becuase of intellengence failures.
You still refuse to do it don;t you 240? You won't piece together your conspriacy and test it will you? You just point out inconsistancies which are a small part of a much larger picture and say it must be a military opp.
And then you still keep talking about the pentagon plane but cannot provide a reasonalbe explaination of what would have had to happen to the plane and the poeple.
You are not using you head.
Can't you see ..... You are not being objective.
See: Pentagon.
Then where did the poeple go?
Who killed them?
Where did the plane go then?
How many people from how many different companies and departments many of which are unrelated were needed to pull this off? Make a plane and it's apssengers disappear?
Use common sense there.
Pentagon - there is no way I'd know where the plane or bodies went - the burden of proof is on the govt to supply evidence of their claims. My only claim is that a plane didn't hit the pentagon.
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See: President at elem. school from 9:02 til 9:30 after finding out.
It only suggests he knew about it and knew he wasn't in danger it does not suggest a military opp becuase of all the other inconsistacies.
ok, point-by-point -
People are in the ground somewhere, and some of them were in on it. The pentagon pilot happened to be in on pentagon crash landing scenario planning WHILE HE WORKED THERE. Funny coincidence he takes a job with an airliner and that exact thing happens.
To make this happen - you need control over the FAA (which admits they destroyed recordings specific to flight 77 because 'the operators were under distress and their words weren't in their right mind'.) and you need a small group on the ground to sort, handcuff, and deal with the peolpe. Million ways to make 60 people disappear when you have unlimited budget.
how would he know he's not in danger? Why did EVERY OTHER PERSON on all levels of his staff get rushed to protective custody and no one even stood closer to him or acted any differently? SS Protocol has precedence over Bush's wishes in security situations.
240 that's a cop out , you should be able to make a reasonable explanation. Becuase if you can't the obvious answer is most likey true. It's like a crime scene, they furmulate a theory and prove it by finding facts outside the crime to support it. They find the get away car or the plane ticket of the murderer etc...
Many more popele than that would have to be involve....we have already discussed this...remember?
simplest scenario... if i was gonna do it... i'd turn off the plane's radio and remote control it into the ocean. Could be that easy. They admitted the FAA supervisor destroyed the tape and discarded it around the building. That alone should be enough for a new investigation.
SAVE THE BANDWIDTH
Dude - I can tell you I ate my car for dinner. If you can't find my car, it must be true, right?
The plane disappeared off radar for 45 miuntes. It could be anywhere in the midwest, it could be under 300 feet of ocean right now. We do not know.
We DO know that there is no way a carbon-nosed airplane punches a 16-foot hole in, a 16-foot hole out, and drills perfectly through 3 newly reinforced military buildings before disintegrating. I mean seriously, did you see the path it was said to have taken?
See:
WTC7 collapse.
We are making assumptions based on incomplete information and we are all NOT even close to having any expertese on this. Except A_Joker and we all know what he thinks.
We do not know that. We know there are web sites who say it cannot happen and we know we don;t have the knowledge to say either way. We also know there are experts that say it is possible.
REmote control it into the ocean? How many radar stations would have picked that up? Also, if you can remote control it why not send it into the pentagon? Doesn't hold water...so to speak.
See: Guilliani shipping crime scene to China for recycling and not testing one piece of steel for chemical analysis.
Who says one piece or pieces weren't tested and because of all the other crap chemicals and compounds from 100+ stories that crashed down drenched with plane fuel tha the test were inconclusinve and not mentioned yet?
True-- none of us are experts. All I have is testimony from numerous engineers with the Scholars from 911 truth who said no building in histroy has ever fallen like this. And the simplest thing is that it
1- lost all structural integrity (only way to freefall)
2- was reduced from 47 stories of building to 30 feet of rubble (most of building exploded into dust - fire and fall alone can't pulverize concrete - only explosives)
3- Looked quite unaffected from fire. Arguments about the front sides's levels... but the rear was intact. WORSE CASE, the front half should have collapsed or it fell over. But there is no reson why the back half should have been pulverized into dust.
read the link to oilempire on p1, ozmo . . . it's far more entertaining/persuasive than watching 240 fly by the seat of his pants.
See: Bush waited 18 months to start, and only did so because of intense media pressure.
Common sense says he's playing CYA becuase of intellengence failures.
I don't disagree that there are questions about how this building collasped. but just becuase there are questions regarding how it didn't seem logicla doesn't yet mean it was a military opp. Bees are supposed to fly either, but they do.
1- doesnt matter who picked it up - the wargames had 40 different airplanes getting hijacked on their screens. And FAA employees are gagged from speaking to press, and their tapes were sealed for the investigation.
2- you cannot fly that plane into the pentagon because you cannot have 60 dead bodies strewn across lawn on TV. TV is how American followed the events. They couldn't have shown close up views if bodies were everywhere. ANY other plane crash on tv, they zoom wayyyy back.
Is this acceptable behavior for the leader of the country? CYA?
Any other plane crash or terror attack, the investigation starts THAT DAY. he went out of his way to block this investigation. Then he built it using his yes-men, all of whom moved into high level intelligence positions right after commission.
Also scope of investigation was not open. Firefighters/WTC employees with severe burns wre not allowed to testify about bombs.
Yes it does. there are dozens of radar installtions ran and operated by FAA employees all over the place from there to the ocean. By the way. I know a few FAA emplyees personally and speak to one often who is 1 level below high level so to speak. There is no cover up here. other then a CYA game of incompetence or fore hand knowledge. But definatly not a military opp of making a plane disappear.
Here is what a Boeing 757 would look like.
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Yes very acceptable. Who's his dad? former cheif of what agancy? Come on, think.
Tell you what.... let's try this: Assume it was all military opp and you think the conspiracy is that it was really terrorist. Try proving terrorist did it.
BTW i would love nothing better then this to be some military opp. It would be the fuel that would actually cause some change in this country. But it ain;t the case unfortunatly.Odd... I wish like hell it was not!!! I wish like hell I could believe members of our own government would never do this... But that's just not true... They have before.... Several times... and they will do this again.... :( :'(
Out in the West Texas town of El Paso
I fell in love with a Mexican gurrrrl
but just becuase there are questions regarding how it didn't seem logicla doesn't yet mean it was a military opp. Bees are supposed to fly either, but they do.
this is what I have been trying to get through to 240.
Just because the mechanisms of the collapse are not 100% clear does not mean that there must have been "bombs" in the basement or that the whole thing was an inside conspriracy.
this is a CLASSIC conspiracy theorist tactic:
take ONE item that is not 100% known and then say "therefore, the whole conspiracy theory must be true"
240, you are turning into a classic conspiracy theorist.
And this is not good.
Alreadly, you are acting is if you know concrete things (eg. bombs in the basement) that have no credible proof yet..
your objectivity is now gone..
so who created the fake tape, 240?
Do you agree it looks fake?
i'll say that you have pics of 2 guys who look different--don't know where you got 'em from
but, who created the fake tape?
so what's the bottom line here . . . that bin laden doesn't/didn't exist?
Out in the West Texas town of El Paso
I fell in love with a Mexican gurrrrl
Night-time would find me in Rosa's Cantina
Music would play and Felina would whirl.....
haha, someone else has been listening to Marty . . . hey, it was the first football weekend and inevitably someone puts marty on.
btw, shouldn't you be at church?
are you saying that this is the first time the CIA has been mistaken?
Our regular pastor wasn't preaching and we much prefer him over the guy that was....so we played hooky. Watched some church on TV though so not to worry ;D
El Paso is the best country music song ever..(it's even on my I-Pod) and I hate country music.
Check out number 4 on Stella's 100 songs ;D :
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=91248.0
more importantly, are you suggesting that Bin Laden was not the real/dominant face of Islamic terrorism in the late 90s and early 2000s?
more importantly, are you suggesting that Bin Laden was not the real/dominant face of Islamic terrorism in the late 90s and early 2000s?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=91890.msg1324673#msg1324673
but you'd be stupid to think they weren't biding their time, waiting to strike again. think the author is rather naive on that point w his "more likely to die by comet strike" shite.
Once news breaks that bin laden is dead, good luck getting any votes for the war on terror.
threat is real . . . to be distracted from the main threat is stupid. I'm not saying don't be watchful of your own side . . . I'm not about to give up any of my civil liberties or see the constitution abrogated for anything.
that would be a mistake.
since we have recorded proof that the FBI knew about the 1993 WTC attacks and let bin laden take the blame for it to scare people...
and we know that the US found then the CIA verified an obviously fake OBL tape in Nov 2001, to scare people (and justify the war).
Do you consider it even a remote possibility that two months prior to this, the US painted an OBL face on the 911 attacks to scare people (and justify a war)?
They lied in 1993. They lied in Nov 2001. They lied in Oct 2004.
Is it a possibility they lied in Sept 2001?
you have now left all reasonable people about a thousand miles behind.
while bin laden is/was an amazing rhetorician . . . to assume that the threat ends with him would be stupid.
I am just happy to know that 3 buildings came down because of fire from jet fuel for the 1st time in the world in the same day. I am also glad to hear that planes now vaporize on impact now( makes for less clean up) but the bodies can still be identified.
but the bodies can still be identified.