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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: DragonsBreath on September 26, 2006, 09:05:58 PM
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That's right....who? Who are these guys that make (and break) the decisions in the IFBB? Chic is always talking about: "Oh, I have to submit it. Put it in writing. I have to run it by the board." Well just who the hell are these guys? Jim Manion, Steve Weinberger and who else?
Who are you supposedly "running" stuff by the board to? When you (Bob Chic) get a request from an IFBB athlete, who is it that you have to submit it to?
Names please...?
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Loook it up
IFBB.COM
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Well this was from their Christmas party last year
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well this was from their Christmas party last year
You got it mixed up with the PDI after party pic.....
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I really get a chuckle at the people putting their support behind Wayne and the PDI. These people are clueless as to Wayne's own history and how condescending he was to "his" athletes when he was in charge if the IFBB. He was largely responsible for holding the athletes back while he took a salary of more that $300k a year. Yet the athletes had to pay their expenses to the shows. Hmmmm. There were also allegedly underhanded dealings with show promoters.
Sure the IFBB isn’t perfect. And the only guy working his ass off to make things better the athletes (Bob Cicherillo) gets accused of being a puppet for Jim Manion. Show me one person that has even tried to accomplish anything for bodybuilding as Bob has. Oh that’s right I forgot… there isn’t one person that can be named.
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For the record; the IFBB is a complete failure. They have controlled the sport of professional bodybuilding for the last 30+ years and what is the result?
Wow, where to begin:
No TV coverage for any events >:(
No pension or retirement plan for their professional athletes >:(
Professional contest that pay the winner $10,000 (I won more than that playing cards last month ;D)
Nonexistent sponsorship from non-bodybuilding companies :(
Professional competitions cancelled (imagine the NFL cancelling a game ;D)
Repeated questionable judging at the sports premiere event :(
I won't even mention the state of IFBB professional womens bodybuilding :(
Zero brand name recognition :(
That list took two minutes to think up. I'm omitting about 100 other failures.
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For the record; the IFBB is a complete failure. They have controlled the sport of professional bodybuilding for the last 30+ years and what is the result?
Wow, where to begin:
No TV coverage for any events >:(
No pension or retirement plan for their professional athletes >:(
Professional contest that pay the winner $10,000 (I won more than that playing cards last month ;D)
Nonexistent sponsorship from non-bodybuilding companies :(
Professional competitions cancelled (imagine the NFL cancelling a game ;D)
Repeated questionable judging at the sports premiere event :(
I won't even mention the state of IFBB professional womens bodybuilding :(
Zero brand name recognition :(
That list took two minutes to think up. I'm omitting about 100 other failures.
No wonder. Up until a few years ago Wayne headed the IFBB. So now we should continue his failure by supporting a new organization that he heads up? Hmmmmm interesting logic.
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For the record; the IFBB is a complete failure. They have controlled the sport of professional bodybuilding for the last 30+ years and what is the result?
Wow, where to begin:
No TV coverage for any events >:(
No pension or retirement plan for their professional athletes >:(
Professional contest that pay the winner $10,000 (I won more than that playing cards last month ;D)
Nonexistent sponsorship from non-bodybuilding companies :(
Professional competitions cancelled (imagine the NFL cancelling a game ;D)
Repeated questionable judging at the sports premiere event :(
I won't even mention the state of IFBB professional womens bodybuilding :(
Zero brand name recognition :(
That list took two minutes to think up. I'm omitting about 100 other failures.
Hmmm.........actually, its not a failure...........not to the Weiders its not! ;)
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if the perceived threat from Wayne and the PDI helps the IFBB get their act together, then it's good for everyone
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I really get a chuckle at the people putting their support behind Wayne and the PDI. These people are clueless as to Wayne's own history and how condescending he was to "his" athletes when he was in charge if the IFBB. He was largely responsible for holding the athletes back while he took a salary of more that $300k a year. Yet the athletes had to pay their expenses to the shows. Hmmmm. There were also allegedly underhanded dealings with show promoters.
Sure the IFBB isn’t perfect. And the only guy working his ass off to make things better the athletes (Bob Cicherillo) gets accused of being a puppet for Jim Manion. Show me one person that has even tried to accomplish anything for bodybuilding as Bob has. Oh that’s right I forgot… there isn’t one person that can be named.
Lee Priest.
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if the perceived threat from Wayne and the PDI helps the IFBB get their act together, then it's good for everyone
Of course, but some people here do not have the brain capacity to understand that...........
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No wonder. Up until a few years ago Wayne headed the IFBB. So now we should continue his failure by supporting a new organization that he heads up? Hmmmmm interesting logic.
But how do you explain each year since Wayne has been gone the Olympia gets worse and worse. More shows are being cancelled and less people are going. Also, here is how I view Wayne. He has done nothing to me. He has only been upfront and thats it. I don't care what he did in the past. At least it appears he is trying to change if he was so bad. The problem with the Weiders and the IFBB is they don't want change. And everyone has to be kidding that Wayne did all this bad stuff without the Weiders knowing or actually telling him to do it.
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No wonder. Up until a few years ago Wayne headed the IFBB. So now we should continue his failure by supporting a new organization that he heads up? Hmmmmm interesting logic.
We absolutely agree. I do not think Wayne Demilla is the person to take professional bodybuilding where it needs to go. Will the PDI help all pro BB's? I'd like to think so, but I've got my doubts.
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I really get a chuckle at the people putting their support behind Wayne and the PDI. These people are clueless as to Wayne's own history and how condescending he was to "his" athletes when he was in charge if the IFBB. He was largely responsible for holding the athletes back while he took a salary of more that $300k a year. Yet the athletes had to pay their expenses to the shows. Hmmmm. There were also allegedly underhanded dealings with show promoters.
Sure the IFBB isn’t perfect. And the only guy working his ass off to make things better the athletes (Bob Cicherillo) gets accused of being a puppet for Jim Manion. Show me one person that has even tried to accomplish anything for bodybuilding as Bob has. Oh that’s right I forgot… there isn’t one person that can be named.
Right, because the industry has conditioned them not to try. That's why whenever Bob does or initiates anything - no matter how small in scope - his 'constituents' (for lack of a better term) have nothing at all to say about it.
Some might refer to that as 'failure to strive' (resulting in a failure to thrive, eh?).
You do have to give Bob credit for at least being willing to be vocal about anything at all. That's a welcome first step. Now, he needs help from his fellow competitors in deciding what sort of procedural changes should be implemented with respect to initiating or modifying IFBB policies that are athlete-specific.
I think there's a real disconnect here because no one in his camp really knows how things should be set up, nor is there an IFBB 'athletes only' website where they can communicate about it. So, anything brought to light here on GetBig ends up being shouted down my naysayers or diluted with fluff by the fluffers.
With regards to Wayne, are you claiming that his $300,000 salary was paid by the IFBB, or was that what he earned as a result of successful promotion of the IFBB events he promoted?
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I really get a chuckle at the people putting their support behind Wayne and the PDI.
This isn't so much a vote "for" Wayne, as it is a vote against IFBB monopoly and autocratic control of the sport. See the bigger picture.
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nor is there an IFBB 'athletes only' website where they can communicate about it. So, anything brought to light here on GetBig ends up being shouted down my naysayers or diluted with fluff by the fluffers.
An IFBB Athletes only website/ forum would be a great tool for the Pros to be able to discuss things that directly effect themselves and the IFBB. That is precisely why there isn't one. It could be the first step to unionization of the members. The IFBB would rather have the disconnect because it makes it easier for them to run things the way they want without interference. It is wrong that issues get brought up only once a year and are submitted for approval to a board that is looking out for the IFBB and not the membership, but they get away with it because they are the only game in town.
This isn't so much a vote "for" Wayne, as it is a vote against IFBB monopoly and autocratic control of the sport. See the bigger picture.
I could really care less about who is behind the PDI, just that there is someone trying to give people a second option and put a bit of pressure on the IFBB to make changes in the way it is run to better the entire industry.
Most of the spotlight right now is on The IFBB and Lee Priest, but it is really the industry as a whole that needs to be reworked. There are similar examples in other federations like the WNBF (World Natural Bodybuilding Federation). Dave Goodin, the top money winner in WNBF history, has been suspended for 3 years because he did an interview in Ironman Magazine. It was a great article and was good exposure for everyone involved, but the WNBF has a rule against their athletes appearing in magazines other than the ones that they own. They also offer no compensation for this exclusivity, in fact the athletes PAY the WNBF to be a member of their organization (much like the IFBB).
Things need to change, hopefully Lee Priest, Dave Goodin, and the PDI will be the catalyst needed to bring about a better bodybuilding industry.
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LBoomer... why would you take a quote from Goatboy and try to pass it off as a quote from me? That's a neat trick but it didn't go unnoticed or uncalled.
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This isn't so much a vote "for" Wayne, as it is a vote against IFBB monopoly and autocratic control of the sport. See the bigger picture.
Exactly. I feel the same way.
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But how do you explain each year since Wayne has been gone the Olympia gets worse and worse. More shows are being cancelled and less people are going.
Keith... come on. Are you really a person that hears galloping and assumes horses? There are 30 different factors that COULD be at work here OTHER than Wayne’s involvement. Promoters, increases travel concern and expenses etc, etc. You have to look at everything involved before you draw a conclusion on what is the significant factor.
Also, here is how I view Wayne. He has done nothing to me. He has only been upfront and thats it. I don't care what he did in the past. At least it appears he is trying to change if he was so bad.
Let's look at the logic of your statement. A pedophile has done nothing to you. He lives in your neighborhood. He's been upfront to you. Are you going to let him baby-sit your 5 year old daughter? I mean he's done nothing to you. A con man always appears to be sincere. That's how they are able to con you.
The problem with the Weiders and the IFBB is they don't want change. And everyone has to be kidding that Wayne did all this bad stuff without the Weiders knowing or actually telling him to do it.
Yes we know. It was all the Weiders. They were the terrible monsters and Wayne was just following orders from heaven above. Wayne is just an innocent victim who always wanted and fought for what was best for the bodybuilders. Only one problem in believing that. TOTAL lack of history and evidence. There is none.
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Fine, Wayne has a shit past, but the IFBB has a shit past and present. I get a chuckle when someone supports the IFBB, are you really that clueless to see that their operations are just as bad now as when Wayne ran it. As for Bob being a puppet for Manion, well Bob has a conflict of interest when it comes to many issues.
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Hmmm.........actually, its not a failure...........not to the Weiders its not! ;)
Exactly.
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Keith... come on. Are you really a person that hears galloping and assumes horses? There are 30 different factors that COULD be at work here OTHER than Wayne’s involvement. Promoters, increases travel concern and expenses etc, etc. You have to look at everything involved before you draw a conclusion on what is the significant factor.
Right, there are numerous factors that can make a new or small show fail before it gets started.
With the Olympia, there are even more variables in play, but also a much larger staff and budget. The failures of the last 2 Olympias should be highlighted, and should be analyzed in order to provide solutions for all those problems that occurred.
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Right, there are numerous factors that can make a new or small show fail before it gets started.
With the Olympia, there are even more variables in play, but also a much larger staff and budget. The failures of the last 2 Olympias should be highlighted, and should be analyzed in order to provide solutions for all those problems that occurred.
The Olympia was moved becauase they didn't want to pay the money they were charging. That is simple. Wayne paid that amount cause he wanted the Olympia to be the best. AMI on the other wants to save money.
Keith... come on. Are you really a person that hears galloping and assumes horses? There are 30 different factors that COULD be at work here OTHER than Wayne’s involvement. Promoters, increases travel concern and expenses etc, etc. You have to look at everything involved before you draw a conclusion on what is the significant factor.
Let's look at the logic of your statement. A pedophile has done nothing to you. He lives in your neighborhood. He's been upfront to you. Are you going to let him baby-sit your 5 year old daughter? I mean he's done nothing to you. A con man always appears to be sincere. That's how they are able to con you.
Yes we know. It was all the Weiders. They were the terrible monsters and Wayne was just following orders from heaven above. Wayne is just an innocent victim who always wanted and fought for what was best for the bodybuilders. Only one problem in believing that. TOTAL lack of history and evidence. There is none.
The Olympia has taken place for more than 40 years. From most accounts I here the Olympia was alwasy a pretty good show. And it seemed the Mandalay Bay was a pretty good place to do it. Varibles do not change that much for a show. Broadway shows happen everyday and are basically the same each day. Unless something happens UNEXPECTEDLY. But the Olympia all the shit that has made it the laughing stock in BB promotions has all gone bad because of what Chang and AMI has done to it. Nothing to do with travel or expenses. ALL with the way the run it and the FACT they want to save money. It is that simple.
I wouldn't do business with a pedophile. Yo are making outrageous comparisons. Here is one closer. I did my show in 2002. I told many people what I wanted to do. I said I wanted to have more pro bb's at the show than has ever been in Hawaii at one time. I said which ones I was bringing. Absolutely 100% of the people I told said don't bring Sean Ray. He has a very bad reputation here. But I didn't listen cause I had talked to Sean and I liked his body and figured he wouldn't be bad for me. So I brought him. Well now I regret it. So no more. Exactly with Wayne. I will support him until something happens that changes my mind. SO far not even you can say he has done anything but done good for BB and the bodybuilders. He put on a great show, promoted BB bigtime, paid everyone with no bounced checks but with direct deposit, and has more shows scheduled and isgoing forward with everythign he has said he will do. So, until something goes wrong I will still support.
As with the IFBB, they do nothing right. I have done dealings with Weider and again was warned. Well he cost me allot of grief and allot fo disappointment to hundreds of kids. So he is exactly the asshole I was told.
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Why is Shawn getting more money then the guys who get 4,000 at the Olympia just to speak on a mic.Now that sucks Shawn hope your happy paying you more then guys busting thier asses, to compete
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Wait a minute? Is Shawn mc'ing the O?
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Yeah he is doing something there with Bob and getting more then alot of athletes.
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Yeah he is doing something there with Bob and getting more then alot of athletes.
IFBB is all screwed up! to screwed up! If i was shawn i'd be embarresed for gods sake
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Stop this, Joe, Ben and Jim Manion are good people and Wayne does what he thinks is best and his intension is not to compete with the IFBB but to be different, and I am sure that Shawn does this only because he loves the sport and being involved in it. When he makes money with it, so what, at least he is getting something back. Bob also does his best and defend where he stands for and that is what you have to do, I am not one of his favorites (so I should be against him) but I am not, he has my admiration for what he does because I see, and know that it is not easy.
Try to imagine you where them, what would you do.
I am reading all this and wonder myself, what would you do when you would be Joe, Ben, Jim, Wayne, Bob, Shane or name any person involved in our sport, just imaging yourself in each of these persons, what would you do.
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I don't have a problem with Shawn being paid a professional fee for performing a professional service. How much he's being paid is none of my business...unless it's a ridiculously high amount. ;)
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I don't have a problem with Shawn being paid a professional fee for performing a professional service. How much he's being paid is none of my business...unless it's a ridiculously high amount. ;)
Emceeing an event like the Olympia should pay $2,000 at the most. Anything more is just "hush" money.They are going to reward the guys who are supporting them.
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I don't have a problem with Shawn being paid a professional fee for performing a professional service. How much he's being paid is none of my business...unless it's a ridiculously high amount. ;)
What would you think is a ridiculous amount. As far as I know the IFBB can hire everybody they want, so why should they pay Shawn a ridiculous amount.
A ridiculous amount to me means that you can hire Arnold to MC, so when the IFBB is willing to pay that much money I am sure they prefer Arnold above Shawn (sorry Shawn but Arnold will drawn more attention).
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""Bob also does his best and defend where he stands for and that is what you have to do""
I agree on the fact that Bob has a stance and defends it, BUT Bob can't have a stance on many issues, the guy is an athletes rep, therefore if somebody has an issue that goes against Bobs, will he support that athlete? Maybe, but then there is a conflict of interest resulting in Bob doing a half assed job bringing that issue up at a meeting. The guy should not have a stance, he should be open minded. Also, he should keep many opinions to himself, since athletes with different opinions wont even bother asking Bob to help them. Just look at Lee's case, since he doesnt agree with Lee, he doesnt support Lee in any way. CONFLICT OF INTEREST
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Just look at Lee's case, since he doesnt agree with Lee, he doesnt support Lee in any way. CONFLICT OF INTEREST
Bob doesn't want anyone telling him how to do his job, but he should be doing everything in his power to make sure that ALL Olympia-qualified athletes are on that stage this weekend.
Simply writing this off as "Well, Lee broke the 'rules' knowing what would happen" is poppycock.
How cool would it be if AMI had to refund all those fan ticket sales because no one showed up to compete? They'd likely have to refund a lot of sponsors' contributions, too. That sure would shake things up a bit, I bet.
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Stop this, Joe, Ben and Jim Manion are good people and Wayne does what he thinks is best and his intension is not to compete with the IFBB but to be different, and I am sure that Shawn does this only because he loves the sport and being involved in it. When he makes money with it, so what, at least he is getting something back. Bob also does his best and defend where he stands for and that is what you have to do, I am not one of his favorites (so I should be against him) but I am not, he has my admiration for what he does because I see, and know that it is not easy.
Try to imagine you where them, what would you do.
I am reading all this and wonder myself, what would you do when you would be Joe, Ben, Jim, Wayne, Bob, Shane or name any person involved in our sport, just imaging yourself in each of these persons, what would you do.
KILL MYSELF IF I WERE THEM.
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KILL MYSELF IF I WERE THEM.
HAHAHAHAHA! holy fuck!
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Emceeing an event like the Olympia should pay $2,000 at the most. Anything more is just "hush" money.They are going to reward the guys who are supporting them.
MMMM AROUND $7,000
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Oh I wondered why Bob wasn't doing the O being paid more for just being there and not competing,now it all makes sense $$$$$$$ without diretics.
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Oh I wondered why Bob wasn't doing the O being paid more for just being there and not competing,now it all makes sense $$$$$$$ without diretics.
You catching on grasshopper :)
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Exactly with Wayne. I will support him until something happens that changes my mind. SO far not even you can say he has done anything but done good for BB and the bodybuilders. He put on a great show, promoted BB bigtime, paid everyone with no bounced checks but with direct deposit, and has more shows scheduled and isgoing forward with everythign he has said he will do.
Well if you can call setting bodybuilding back 30 years by presenting them as the gay Village People People in clown costumes a good thing then you are right. He put on a great show! ;D
Of course we do have to give credit to Joe Weider for doing the same thing in the magazines so I don't know whats worse. I fully admit that the IFBB has problems and needs change. To say that Wayne is the answer? No sorry Keith.
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MMMM AROUND $7,000
That shitbag is getting $7grand?
WTF is wrong with the IFBB? He's got more enemies than friends! who the hell wants to listen to him for 2 hours?
You mean to tell me that they (IFBB) couldn't get Lee Haney or any other past Olympia winner to mc the show?
OH, wait......they tried to charge Haney, Yates and other former champions just to watch the show last year!
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"OH, wait......they tried to charge Haney, Yates and other former champions just to watch the show last year!"
>:( You've got to be kidding... Right?
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MMMM AROUND $7,000
If that is the case, that is soem bullshit right there.
He'll get more than the guys who busted their asses.......just wrong.........
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"OH, wait......they tried to charge Haney, Yates and other former champions just to watch the show last year!"
>:( You've got to be kidding... Right?
I wish I was kidding! They had to fukkin' buy their own tickets to the show last year!
I said this once and I'll say it again: I will NOT support the Olympia. The athletes are being whored out for the IFBB's wealth.
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I wish I was kidding! They had to fukkin' buy their own tickets to the show last year!
I said this once and I'll say it again: I will NOT support the Olympia. The athletes are being whored out for the IFBB's wealth.
I WAS AT ONE OLYMPIA WITH SAMIR BANNOUT WHEN HE HAD TO GO TO BENS ROOM AND LITERALLY BEG TO GET A TICKET HE GOT ONE IN THE BALCONY......YEP IFBB....GOTTA LOVE THEM ...NOT
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I WAS AT ONE OLYMPIA WITH SAMIR BANNOUT WHEN HE HAD TO GO TO BENS ROOM AND LITERALLY BEG TO GET A TICKET HE GOT ONE IN THE BALCONY......YEP IFBB....GOTTA LOVE THEM ...NOT
Unreal...........
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I wish I was kidding! They had to fukkin' buy their own tickets to the show last year!
I said this once and I'll say it again: I will NOT support the Olympia. The athletes are being whored out for the IFBB's wealth.
Unfcukingbelievable! >:(. Could those dudes at the IFBB be any more lame?
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I WAS AT ONE OLYMPIA WITH SAMIR BANNOUT WHEN HE HAD TO GO TO BENS ROOM AND LITERALLY BEG TO GET A TICKET HE GOT ONE IN THE BALCONY......YEP IFBB....GOTTA LOVE THEM ...NOT
"One in the balcony"
The multi-millionaire gave Samir (1) balcony ticket? Madness. It don't get much lower than that.
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I WAS AT ONE OLYMPIA WITH SAMIR BANNOUT WHEN HE HAD TO GO TO BENS ROOM AND LITERALLY BEG TO GET A TICKET HE GOT ONE IN THE BALCONY......YEP IFBB....GOTTA LOVE THEM ...NOT
Why the hell would ahe beg for a ticket. Couldn't he afford to buy one? And if not lee and you were so outraged why didn't you buy him a better one.