Have you seen the video of the 2005 Mr. Olympia mate? Coz the pics above or others posted elsewhere don't do Ronnie any justice. Sure he relaxed his abs here and there briefly, but on the whole, he looked incredible. Not sure if he filled out a little more for the night show, but he looked way better (& much bigger) in the video - he was the clear cut winner.

Skinny guys who wear an Ipod on the arm band  holding their "training partner's" arm while the guy is doing a single arm rope pushdown with 20 pounds. After the monstrous set, these homos stretch each other's arms out. Whoops ! I suppose that's too long to fit in the T-shirt

He sounds like a million other "trainers" that I see in gyms everywhere - either a fat chick or a skinny f#cker who you wouldnt think lifted weights in their street clothes (or anything else for that matter). The funniest thing is when some of them stand around and laugh at some guy who trains seriously and is actually built, talking 'bout his "form" etc. Whats the point in knowing the "perfect" form and the name of all the tiniest muscles if you (as a trainer) look like shit run over twice?

Fair enough, but what if Jay did a CC (Chris cormier - arms crossed overhead) onstage? Surely, that would give him a huge advantage?

I agree. I personally like Mike's physique, though I think Jay looks awesome as well (especially in the off season - bloated face notwithstanding)

Not really, Mike beat flex at the 95 Arnold when flex was actually subpar (compared to his best). In the 97 arnold classic, he beat mike even though mike was close to his all time best

At his best, Jay has a really thick back, but the same problem Mike had - not a very conditioned lower back. They both had good Xmas trees though. Also, Jay is way wider and his outer quad sweep probably seems better than mike's due to their taper. Mike had no taper in his quads - they were as wide at the bottom as they were at the top. But he was better conditioned than Jay though - looked liked he was carved outta stone in the 95 Arnold classic (that he won) a la Dorian

Ok "Sarcasm"  LOL. But seriously, why?

At their very best, both these guys weighed around 260 @ 5'9''. They have similar strengths - Awesome quads and calves, wide rear lat spread etc. and being blocky even. So, at their peak, who's better? I think they both had/have great physiques - what do u bitches think?