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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Wrestling Board / Re: Will Cena turn?
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on: December 16, 2011, 10:15:19 PM
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If Cena isn't going to turn heel what else are they going to do with him? How much longer can the Cenation reign supreme?
Well when someone starts being bood because they are just not like because people don,t wanna see them then thats all you can do.
Thats called X Pac heat. |
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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Wrestling Board / Re: Round Robin
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on: December 16, 2011, 10:13:36 PM
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It's way too hard to name just five, there have been soooo many great talents.
From a good technical side : Jerry Lynn , Chris Candido , Bret Hart , Dean Milinko , Billy Robinson , Lance Storm , Eddie and Chavo both , Bob Roop, Kurt Angle .
Just great workers in general : Jake Roberts, Mr. Perfect, Steve Austin, Rock , Flair , Mark Lewin, Murdoch, Terry Funk, Rick Rude , Debiasie, Steamboat , Savage, Lawler Could go on and on.
On the stick : Piper , Flair , Hogan , Rock , Austin , Jake Roberts , Heaneen , Mick Foley, Lawler .
I know I was supposed to name only 5 it's too hard.
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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Wrestling Board / Re: Round Robin
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on: December 16, 2011, 09:58:09 PM
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1.) Savage
2.) Hennig
3.) Flair
4.) Hogan - YES, I REALLY TYPED THAT
5.) Bill Eadie (Demolition Ax/Masked Superstar)[/i]
Of course, there is a plethora of others.
These are just some "off-the-top-of-my-head stand-outs."
Glad to see him get some well deserved credit |
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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Wrestling Board / Re: Good Wrestling Books (threads merged):
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on: December 15, 2011, 01:52:38 PM
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I know there is already a thread about books, but I would appreciate a custom suggestion. I have read both Jericho books, Regal's, Foley's first, Death of WCW and Bret's. I like stuff from the early 90's on because that is where my frame of reference is. But, I'll read anything that is good. Any input would be greatly appreciated.
Bobby Heenans books are good. |
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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Wrestling Board / Re: "There's no kayfabe in the business anymore. "
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on: December 14, 2011, 06:39:12 AM
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I will say and my dad agreed that the best thing fir the business was Vince "exposing " it as he used to say.
My dad was just old school, kayfabe to the old guys just wasn't about protecting the business, it was like a camaraderie thing as well. Not only did the protect each others but a lot of the old guys also talked in carny if they were talking about the business in public.
Even up until my dads death if him and I were talking about something, not necessarily wrestling, he'd say kayfabe. Like if we were talking about a girls ass and my mom walked in the room. My whole family says it.
One thing I remember really burning his ass was back stage at a wwe event The Road Dogs were discussing their finish for their up coming match right out in the open in front of a janitor and even got her input ob the whole thing. They thought it was so funny to see him all worked up about it.
Another time when I was very little back stage WWF house show my dad and Black Jack Lanza were talking and a young wrestler walked by a wrote kayfabe on a chalk board that was there. My dad said hey erase that, you don't have any idea what it means.
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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Wrestling Board / "There's no kayfabe in the business anymore. "
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on: December 14, 2011, 05:25:19 AM
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"There's no kayfabe in the business anymore. "
My whole life I heard this repeated time and time again from my father and other old wrestlers.
In 1954 a 24year old Herb Gerwig was living in Cleveland fresh out of the Marines playing semi pro football, and working construction. In his free time he would workout at the local YMCA, where he met an old wrestler by the name of "Gentleman" Fred Bozik. One night there was a snow storm and some of the wrestlers couldn't make it in to Cleveland, so Fred calls my dad and asks him to come down to the arena and fill in. He got down there, was handed a pair of old green tights and shoes. "Who am I wrestling? " He asked. The promoter pointed to an old man sitting in the corner. My dad said he thought, I'm young, strong, in the best shape of my life, there's no way that old man has a chance. He went out, the bell rang and the old man beat the the hell outta him. "He tied me up like a pretzel" he used to always say. The old man was Ralph Ruffy Silverstein, who was a former NCAA champion in 1935.
Young Herb Gerwig wrestled on and off for the next year or so getting his ass handed to him night after night, quiting several times and not knowing wrestling was a work. They never told him it was fake!
That's how well protected the business used to be. There were no smart marks, or wrestling reality TV shows.
"I still feel that old SOB" he'd say.
THAT IS TRUE KAYFABE
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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Wrestling Board / Re: The old timers
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on: December 13, 2011, 07:26:07 PM
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Karl: Tell them the story about your Dad, Watts, and the Hershey bar!! 
When my dad broke into the business in the late 50's he would really study guys like the Gallagher brothers who were very violent, but mixed comedy in their matches, he would copy them in both ways his whole career.
So one night before he goes to the ring he sticks a Hershey bar down the back of his tights. He wrestles the whole time with it back there and lets it get good and melted. He then instructs his opponent to hive him an atomic drop. He sells the shit out of it, did a funny little walk across the ring, stopped and got a very concerned look on his face. Then held his stomach looked at the crowed like 'oh no' then ran his his hand down the back of his tights and pulled out what the crowd thought was a hand full of shit. Smelled it, and then yes he licked it. The fans were disgusted and started leaving.
Its said now he was wearing white tights but that's not true he used to claim he was fired for it which I doubt. |
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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Wrestling Board / Re: The old timers
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on: December 13, 2011, 07:00:13 AM
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About the pay I guess it depends on who you were and who you were working for. I've heard stories of guys driving all day just for twenty bucks. In the height of my dads career he was making about two grand a week. Good money for the time. But he was also busting his ass and working for four different territories at one time. He would get paid more for overseas trips. But he might be gone for months at a time. One time he was in Australia for nine months. I'm that was the kind thing that lead to his first divorce. Murdoch was married four times.
Something I didn't know, Terry Funk told me when my dad died that his dad and mine started the first insurance for wrestlers if they got hurt. Five percent was taken form their pay and the promoters would match it.
As far as his name goes. When he started wrestling, just doing jobs he wrestled as Herb Gerwig, his real name. The Sheik saw potential in him and hooked him.up with promoter Joe Dusek who said people wont pay to see Herb Gerwig, but they might pay to see killer Carl Cox. And that's how he got his name. When he stated working in Texas he changed it to all K's for to get heat with the ethnic crowds. It worked. At one point early in his career he was even told by one promoter to wrestle as Don Gehrig, Lou's brother.
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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Wrestling Board / Re: The old timers
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on: December 12, 2011, 08:39:12 PM
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Hey Karl..the old-time wrestling guys seems to be a very tight-knit fraternity....you must have seen and heard a lot i'm sure since your dad would hang out with some of the guys he wrestled with....tell us about how these guys got along and what they talked about...were there grudges?..stuff like that?...what did they love about the industry?..what did they complain about >?..what were their views of today's wrestling?
One thing every single one of them bitches about was the promoters, and how they made all the money and screwed the boys. There is a semi accurate story out there on the net about a particular payoff to my old man and Murdoch
from Watts that supposedly wasn't very good even though it was a stadium show.
One thing they all talked about was the fun they had on the road . There were grudges here and there, but for the most part
they all seemed to get along very well. I can only think of two guys he didn't like. He was closer to
some then others ( Murdoch, Lewin, Heenan, DeBiase, Funk ) After wrestling and recently he was close with guys like Akbar, Jake Roberts, Johnny Mantel, Killer Brooks, and Stan Hansen, many who spoke at his service.
They all had the same opinion on the business today, they hated it and wanted nothing to do with it. "Too many bumps and high spots they would say. " or "there's no kayfabe in the
business anymore. "
My dad said "I was twenty years too late." when it came to the
money. But I think his favorite part of wrestling was traveling over seas he loved Japan and Australia.
Everyone of them has said they wouldn't have changed it for the world. |
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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Wrestling Board / Re: Karl Kox Sr Passed Away R.I.P.
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on: December 08, 2011, 08:10:27 PM
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Karl: Does Dick Beyer still wear his mask at all out in public? I know that, at least as recent as a few years ago, he hosted a radio show while wearing it - which always struck me as a bit ironic since listeners never saw his face.  |
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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Wrestling Board / Re: Worst storyline?
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on: December 05, 2011, 07:29:02 PM
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I agree with that. How about Big Shows dad dying and Big Bossman hooking the casket up to his truck and big show jumping on top of it. Or when they were pulling stuff out of Jim Ross's ass after is colon surgery.
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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Wrestling Board / Re: Wrestlers = Independent contractors
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on: December 05, 2011, 12:01:11 PM
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In one word: LAWYERS.
Seriously though, I worked twice in my life as an independent contractor, and both times I signed an employment contract.
There are lots of stipulations the employer can and does include; maybe some are not entirely appropriate/within their rights, but it would cost the employee money to find out and fight it if the need arose.
Whether the terms and conditions are within legal parameters or not, once you sign the dotted line, you are bound by everything.
Contesting anything is a major hastle.
Well said. |
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