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26  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Injury and Rehabilitation / Re: Sciatica on: December 07, 2006, 05:08:45 PM
That's what it was in my case. Here's the stretch that helped.

27  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Injury and Rehabilitation / Re: Sharp pinching sensatiom in trapezious muscle on: December 07, 2006, 05:05:41 PM
PS more than likely you have tight scalenes forming part of the problem so make sure you are breathing correctly ie in/out at the correct time when you exercise (this means breathe out not in when you press etc).
28  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Re: Hey Adonis, Is This Guy On Drugs? MONSTER TRICEPS! on: December 07, 2006, 09:05:35 AM
As a life-time drug free pro.....who has NEVER used....I debunk your assinine statement....

They're to dry to be on gear! But they're probably so dehydrated that they're shafting their kidneys all the same.
29  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Re: Could this guy be drug free?? on: December 07, 2006, 07:12:18 AM
Wouldn't really say he has much gyno standing relaxed. arms overheads a little sus. But he has a face like a girl so how can he have the T levels to do well without gear?
30  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Injury and Rehabilitation / Re: Sharp pinching sensatiom in trapezious muscle on: December 07, 2006, 04:10:02 AM
I'm with you guys. I'm currently waiting for my right trap/neck area to heal up. Over the course of this year, I've strained my left or right side twice each, and each time, I could not train for the life of me....sometimes I can't sleep. I came on here to see if you guys think deep tissue massage could help.

I'd tend to say it's a streched or trapped nerve think about it why would you feel like somebody was sticking a pin in your trap? A muscle tear... Yeah right! Your probably stretching or trapping the nerve as you lower the weight. PS deep tissue might make it worse.
31  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Injury and Rehabilitation / Re: trap tie in on: December 07, 2006, 04:01:41 AM
Ok, back on topic...I noticed yesterday (thanks to an observant female after I pointed out my injury) at the gym that my shoulder is.......lower....or more flat in the delt area than my other (especially my front)!!!!!  Im starting to think I tore my rotator cuff.   Cry

I had a very similar issue go and see a Chiropractor. What you have is very freaky but it may well be easier to fix than a cuff injury particularly if you GO NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It won't fix itself if you leave it your delt will shrink no matter how you train! I'm guessing it's a double crush. The pain in your trap is (I'd say) a nerve the flat delt is because the crushed nerve isn't able to fire up your deltoid properly which is also why your scapula is out of place because one or more of your scapular stabilizers aren't being fired up either. You might want to check to see if one tricep or bicep is harder when flexed or if you have equal strength between the fingers (test each finger individually against the thunb) and thumb of each hand. Any differences would confirm a nerve problem. But to my mind what you describe is so similar to the issue I have just last week been diagnosed with (this is what you have). On the plus side it took 30 seconds to fix or to be more precise it was fixed faster than the human brain can detect movement.

32  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Re: Gallery of natural getbiggers. on: April 15, 2006, 03:39:25 PM
40+-you cheeky bugger Grin I'm 37 but look older due to the severe dieting-it makes you look a bit drawn-well that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it Undecided Last year was my first full year of competition so I guess I am a late starter but there are many good naturals in their 40s and even 50s.I think it is possible to keep improving as long as you live the lifestyle and keep it clean.

Actually T levels don't "naturally" decline. Though there are extreme drops in the T-Levels of some individuals caused by drugs eg cigarettes. It is not age but rather prolonged exposure to substances which are toxic to leydig cells which causes some peoples T levels to drop. Other individuals show perfectly healthy T levels in their later years. However the smokers low T scores pull down the average which is why some of the more stupid medical people are still debating the issue.
33  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Positive Bodybuilding Discussion & Talk / Re: Was Flex Wheeler Lazy? on: April 15, 2006, 05:00:38 AM
Ronnie has better genetics than flex because before flex touched drugs he was an extreme ectomorph.... Flex had awsome SHAPE and fullness on a tiny frame.. he was narrow compared to a thick dude like comier or coleman. Flex had awsome muscle shape but Ronnie and Comier have him beat in raw genetics. Now obviously flex had awsome genetics we are talking about out of the best grenetics on the planet comier and coleman have him beat.

Cormier might even have the worst genetics in pro bodybuilding.
34  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Re: What do you guys think? on: April 14, 2006, 02:16:27 PM
i want to compete...but im going to wait untill i can do so at about 230 im thinking about 30-35 lbs moremuscel. a year and a half.

No problems there at age 16 30-35lbs in the next two years is not out of the question. Course if you get taller it won't look like 30-35lbs hell you could end up looking thinner.
35  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Re: Ask Jennifer Lynn Cowan (aka The Beast) on: March 16, 2006, 06:01:15 PM
   I'm not looking down on "nattys"...I'm just stating in my opinion based on all my expierences in this industry. "Nattys" tend to have a superior attitude and HAVE to jam down everyones throat that they are 'natural'. Like I would put a title in my name when I shake another fellow BB's hand..."Hey, My name is The BlockHead...Jakked/Stakked/Fully Loaded to the gills, nice to meet you..." At shows that arent tested do you see us walking around with hats and t-shirts saying 'On 1,200mgs a Week!' or buttons saying...' I (heart) 23gauges! ' Nope!

Yeah some hardcore roiders do like to shout about their roid use, and how hard core they are, not you? Funny because I could've sworn thats what you just did.I mean posting that you are a gear user on this here natty forum? Sounds like you want us to know you're on gear. Doesn't that make sense? Also I think you feel superior to nattys because you basically just slagged us all and then said you and you're steroid buds don't have the same issues you think we do. Am I right? YES I AM

 of time there can be complications but thats with ANYTHING. Water can be bad for you, hell! I dont think AAS are 'Gods' answer to everything...let's keep God out of this. Since you bring it up...I do know steroids were created to BENEFIT mankind and serve a purpose. It is actual legitimate medicine. Do you drink? How many families and lives and careers and marriages destroyed from the 'pleasures' of alcohol? By the time I am done typing this...about 10 people in the U.S. died for reasons directly related to alcohol. It has a direct effect on your alters perception/judgement.

Thats really interesting, I'm sure you've given some people plenty to think about, myself I don't actually drink alchohol.

36  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Re: I assume most are "HARD-GAINERS" on: March 16, 2006, 05:12:05 PM
Manfred before
Not an unusual physique especially for a young man who seems to have an interest in boxing

Manfred after in the 90's B4 synthol plus strongmen can't afford to compramise strength with synthol anyway

37  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Re: I assume most are "HARD-GAINERS" on: March 15, 2006, 09:56:53 PM
this thread is really stupid. there IS such a thing as a hardgainer. they can still gain but it is harder for them. if you only needed 1 gram of protein per body pound to build muscle then you're not a hardgainer and you're lucky. if you need 4500 calories to grow then you are a hardgainer even if when you get those calories you do grow. why? because it's HARD to eat 4500 calories. it's hard to have to rest more than others. so what is a hardgainer? when you were in high school and lifted weights and didn't know a damned thing about what you were doing but you grew and saw another kid who was like 110 pounds try the same thing and nothing happened for him... that's a hardgainer. the fact that he has to train differently and eat a lot more than you is what makes him a hardgainer. people who say there is no such thing as a hardgainer are saying there's no such thing as genetics which is stupid. maybe they're genetically mentally retarded.

It's not a question of no such thing as genetics it's a question of the clearly obvious fact that nobody has any idea how much variation would exist in a bell curve of bodybuilders who trained ate rested and juiced/or didn't juice in identical measure.

I estimate of the bodybuilders who have the finances the desire the knowledge and the guts to really juice up, of the ones who survive without career ending complications or health scares, that have the right mental attitude and nutrition/training smarts who also put the work in elsewhere. I'd guess a reasonable percentage make it to the pro ranks. Most amatuer guys are not prepared to take the required levels of drugs the mere fact they're competing in a show where a pro card is up 4 grabs doesn't mean they're doing whatever it takes. What you read in the magazines about genetics is just hype!
38  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Re: Mental techniques to push your development through the roof! on: March 14, 2006, 07:08:01 PM
"If you think you can, or if you think you can't, ...either way, you are correct" --Henry Ford

39  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Re: Natural Bodybuilding Secrets ??? on: March 14, 2006, 04:16:42 PM
I personally think that both slow reps and fast reps work, In a real sense you have to develop a feel or experience to arrive at a style that works for you. There is a ideal groove (combination of rep speed, range of motion, etc.) that every weight lifter will develop with experience over time. It takes time.

Two examples of diverse rep grooves are two of the best Mr. O's, Dorian's and Ronnie's styles. Yates generally used a full range of motion, and explosive raising phase, sometimes a pause and then a slow negative. Coleman, a rapid explosive, rythmic, partial rep style. Both methods produce results thats obvious.

The bottom line is that both methods work, both methods produces results, and both have their pros and cons. Obviously these methods have enough in common to produce outstanding results.

On a related note,
I personally train predominantly with partial, explosive reps with great overall effect in muscle and strength. I also make use of full range reps done slower when I feel the need. If I had to choose though I would pick explosive partials for more producing more overall result in mass and strength. I feel this way despite being a fan of Dorians style and being trained by him a few times.

Personally once I have the grove, if I'm not using a weight so heavy as to prevent it I'll try to speed up more (but only if I can do so and stay in the groove thats my goal fast reps where you feel isolation just like slow ones).

Force= mass x acceleration after all

That way I also get the benefit of "copensatory acceleration"
40  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Re: Mental techniques to push your development through the roof! on: March 14, 2006, 04:09:30 PM

Your right,
what ever you believe is always right.

Not really because he said "you" it wasn't a reference to himself. His beliefs shape his destiny and not ours.
41  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Re: Ask Jennifer Lynn Cowan (aka The Beast) on: March 13, 2006, 05:51:30 PM

  FitChick makes a very serious and valid point. To compete at the highest levels and to place...people do what they have to do...even the figure/fitness girls.

   Most people and especially women tend to have a weird stance on steroids. I feel ya on your position but let me just ASSUME and be so bold for a minute...if you use birth-control pills then guess are using STEROIDS!!! Birth-Control Pills(nuva-ring etc...) ARE in fact without a shadow of doubt STEROIDS. Synthetic hormones used for a psyiological purpose. One may be to 'trick' the body into believing it's already pregnant from estrodiol balance...the other 'tricks' the body to believe it should be more anabolic(in a muscle building state).

 Women are the biggest user of steroids in this country. Even teenage girls use STEROIDS for premiscious & recreational careless sex...why WOULDNT a highly competitive athlete competing at the highest level also use synthetic hormones to make them look better and recover from intense training more effectivley?

 Now I know you have super-genetics and you are very driven...but do you ever kick the idea around of doing something mild or over-the counter? I know DHEA would probably have mild effect on women and I know it's a staple with fitness/figure girls. Your thoughts?

I think because your form is, or should be, always improving you run the risk of over-accentuating aysemmetries and strong bodyparts with early steroid use. IMO that by itself is ample reason for a new figure competitor to avoid steroids early on. Then when your form does peak, it's fine.... Provided you can carry off a beard, bad skin and a receding hairline.
42  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Lets learn some stuff! on: March 13, 2006, 02:34:48 PM
Okay post your mistakes here any problems in your training that you have since corrected post them here. So that we can all learn something.

Infact you can post anything which you think would be helpful to others.

I'd say the most important thing I've learned is that it's more important how you do the exercises than which exercises you do. So if you can't feel your chest when you bench press and you end up thrashing your deltoids there are 3 sensible options.

1) Learn to do it properly
2) Don't do it at all
3) Include bench Presses in your deltoid workout
43  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Re: maximum natural potential - myth or fact? on: March 13, 2006, 02:12:44 PM
Is there an uper limit to muscle growth? probably not anywhere near what any of us have been able to achieve in my opinion. Consider that none of us fully understand our bodies, we live in a constantly shifting environment, we have have other interests and obligations that we give attention to, etc. Then the only logical is that no one exists who has actually reached their own.

Not to mention that evoultion in supplement quality, training methods, foods, environment, and technology will push whats possible to achieve whether drug free or not upwards over time.

We are nowhere near what we will become

Is the right answer.
44  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Re: Ask Jennifer Lynn Cowan (aka The Beast) on: March 13, 2006, 01:53:54 PM

OMG, that is crazy.  I dunno if I could ever date a chick that could manhandle me...


Don't worry help is at hand....  Grin

45  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Positive Bodybuilding Discussion & Talk / Re: Lee - Cormier plate of food story on: March 13, 2006, 01:25:40 PM
I was in Gold's for 1 month back in 2004. Chris Cormier was in afew times... You're right. He has an oversized head, I was half tempted to ask him how he was training it.
46  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Re: Natural Bodybuilding Secrets ??? on: March 12, 2006, 08:46:40 PM
Good point mate but all I was saying was that I can see what Perez was saying about the difference between what the pros say and what the pros do in the gym . I have only ever seen one pro BB train in person and his reps were fast and furious . I have seen many training tapes and a few dvds and they all seem to lift the weights much quicker than I would . Therefore I am going to try and increase my weights/reps as often as possible and not concern myself too much if my technique is a little ragged .
I am not going to be silly enough to copy the technique of someone like Ronnie but I am going to try and emulate their training principles all be it at a more puny level .
I have no idea if Perez's methods will work for me but at the very least they have opened my eyes .
I have witnessed many many guys over the years doing the exact same workouts week in week out and most with the same weights . I'm sure you all have seen something similar . I do change my workouts but over the past few years even my changes are predictable . Whether it be rep ranges / exercises / body part combinations etc .
I think most guys get to a certain size and they are to frightened to change in case they get smaller .
I am no coward so I will embrace the change to my workouts .
Wish me luck .

As regards rep speed I agree and disagree. I think fast reps are a good idea for the bodyparts which grow easily. I also think that if you have a good mind muscle connection (if you have to ask you probably don't have it atall except maybe in your upper traps) , whereby you feel the muscle working properly even at speed then it's all good even if it is a lagging bodypart. But if you're trying to work a muscle which lags and which you don't have a good mind muscle connection with it's a really bad idea to train fast IMO. In that case I think your easy growing muscles would take over.
47  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Re: Our own Jennifer Lynn Cowan on: March 12, 2006, 07:45:29 PM
However, I've competed with other girls and unfortunately even the Figure girls are on some sort of "supps". On top of that, I hear that there is no such thing anymore as being natural even when it comes to the Naturals. It is unfortunate but that's what BB has turned into. It is very discouraging to those of us who are so motivated and disciplined busting their ass in the gym to achieve something on our own...So I just hope that you look at it realistically because you will be most likely competing in very unfair shows. Make sure you understand that you are entering into something where your naturally beautiful physique will be overshadowed by those girls who are on gear.


Lets not use this board to talk about how unfair life is for natural bodybuilders. There are far to few of us as it is.

PS: I don't know if this guy is natural or not but at least I have two legs!

48  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Re: Natural Bodybuilding Secrets ??? on: March 12, 2006, 07:08:57 PM
What is Ronnie's goal while training his back for instance .
TO GET A BIGGER BACK - I hear you cry .
Therefore I would assume his form produces the best results otherwise he would change . Mr Perez was not slagging Ronnie off . Quite the opposite in fact . He merely states that all those articles where pros tell us to train with strict form and don't forget the famous Weider Principles are not a true reflection on how the big boys train . According to the Wedier Principles big Ronnie's form is not strict or good but it works . Therefore who do we believe ? Big Ron's public face or Big Ron's in-his-own-gym face .

I don't see what the relevance is Ronnie isn't going to tell you the finer points of his training even if he understood and could communicate them. The difference between good and excellent form is seldom something which is visually apparent, if you just tried to reproduce what Ronnie appears to be doing you will most likely not suceed in actually doing the same thing.
49  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Re: Natural Bodybuilding Secrets ??? on: March 12, 2006, 05:13:28 PM
Hey Acerimmer1. How about we start up our own Advertising Company ?
I think our radical approach (ie. I would say something like Do you think I should buy this product and then you say NO !!!) might just caught on and make us a fortune . I can just see the long line of clients now .

Yeah well... thats the great thing about reverse psychology.
50  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Re: Natural Bodybuilding Secrets ??? on: March 12, 2006, 03:54:17 PM
Cynical or what my friend ?
I am from Scotland , and I live in Scotland and the furthest I've travelled is Magaluf . I only heard of the guy Perez last week but being a typically canny Scot I though it better to post here and get the low down on his ebook rather that pay for it .
If you look at the advertising in the Bodybuilding rags and on forums I think you'd serve your time better by attacking them . His programme is different to my normal way of thinking but I am willing to give it a go just like I have with other new programmes over the years .
One thing that he said made me sit up was training form . I quote :

I have both of Ronnie Coleman's training dvds, "Unbelievable" and "The Cost of Redemption". Anyone, and I mean anyone, that has ever seen the way he trains knows that what is written in this article is the exact opposite of the way he trains in real life.

He speaks against "cheating, swinging, and leveraging the weight", "using body mechanics", and concentrating on "muscle contractions", but that is exactly what he does! Watch him do those bent over barbell rows, the t-bar rows, lat pulldowns, cable rows, etc. On just about every back exercise he cheats, swings, uses leverage, and body mechanics from the very first rep!!!

"Muscle contractions"Huh?? He never pauses to get a so-called muscle contraction on any exercise whatsoever! And what is funny is that back exercises are the most obvious ones that he swings all over the place, although in his article he says to NOT do that. Yet, Ronnie's best muscle group is his back. Hmmmmm.

"Full range of motion"Huh?? Take a look at how he benches. He stops the rep about halfway up.......nowhere at all near "full of range of motion"!

You might not agree with Mr Perez but at our gym the best form sees to come from the intermediates . The bigger steroid users seem to have sloppy technique which I first thought was due to macho-bullshit .

Anyhow , I am going to give it a go or maybe I will just get some muscle implants with my share of advertising Mr Perez's eBook .

Ronnie wouldn't know strict form if it punched him in the head. But strictness is only one element, to say strict form equals good form is like saying that a sturdy hemet makes you a good football player. But of course that doesn't mean you should look for a damaged helmet to replace the one you are using at the time.
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