conehead.

dude needs some friends...

i don't know why ronnie 98/99 is referred to as ronnie's best.  at that point in his career he was still at a level of size comparable to dorian.  however, in 2003 ronnie reached a form that far exceeded anything dorian could ever produce.  forget the pictures, just look at the videos. 

dorian did probably have the better physique as per the ifbb judging criteria.  but who here looks at the two and honestly thinks dorian looks better?  dorian may achieve a higher score in bodybuilding competition due to the nature of the scoring system, but nasser undoubtedly has the physique that's better to look at.

the hairstyle in that first video....reminds me of rosie o'donell or something...

 how do i take a screenshot on a mac?

alex has tiny little t-rex arms.

okay, first i want you to show me a picture of dorian at 305 with abs and christmas tree.  then, i want you to verify your claim of him being 305 lbs.  you're making these ridiculous points that must seem clever in your head, but end up only making you look ridiculous.

seriously, the fact that the dorian side has to use hypothetical situations, such as this one, to make their point really shows how one sided this debate is.  for god's sake, just look at the pictures!  ronnie's strongpoints are so much stronger than dorian's.

you're a complete idiot.  first of all, ronnie's back separation was far from atrocious.  secondly, you can't compare an off season dorian to a contest ronnie.  dorian never stepped on stage at 305 lbs.  if that were possible he would have done it.  you're creating bullshit figures and making ridiculous claims.

i mean, why doesn't the ronnie side just claim that ronnie at 330 lbs and ripped would kill a contest ready dorian?

the dorian side is retarded.....  you can't use an off season physique in this kind of comparison.  the question is which bodybuilder looked better in contest.  just because 2003 ronnie was bigger than dorian ever was in contest doesn't mean that you can use off season yates to match him. 

no doubt that is an awesome shot.  despite my pro ronnie stance, i'd never deny the greatness of yates. 

however, the fact is that ronnie surpasses yates in mass, shape and detail.  yates definitely has the advantage in hardness, and has, in my opinion, slightly better balance.  ronnie has greater mass with smaller joints, thus creating a more dramatic sweep to his muscles.  yates' arms are almost as big at the armpit as they are at their peaks.  additionally, yates' quads and hamstrings are inferior to ronnie's.  and obviously, ronnie's calves are lacking.  they're his only weakpoint, and one could argue that they detract from his physique a lot, but i don't think they do.   lastly, ronnie, though he was more bloated as his career went on, has a narrower midsection.  even at the 2003 olympia ronnie's taper looks amazing due to this and his incredible width.

yates does have better back separation than ronnie, but ronnie's back has thickness and taper that dorian can't match.

the yates side is in complete denial....

i don't think arnod's calves were that amazing.

2003 ronnie takes yates any year.

that's not to say that yates wasn't amazing, though. rather, until ronnie coleman hit his prime, no one had equaled the combination of size and symmetry that dorian displayed.  Nasser achieved the size, and was, in my opinion, superior from the front, but dorian's physique was more complete overall. Ray, Levrone, wheeler, labrada - all had amazing physiques and in an ideal world could have amassed a few olympia's collectively - but yates reinvented the game by pushing the limits in a different way.

with that said, ronnie coleman in 2003 was substantially larger than dorian ever was.  if you argue that dorian wins because of conditioning, chances are you aren't considering the fact that he was never completely outmassed on a bodybuilding stage.  that's not to downplay dorian's conditioning - he was probably drier onstage than ronnie ever was.  however, ronnie has far superior muscular shape.  he also has superior seperation, vascularity and striations.  the result is that even if yates was slightly drier, he could never have the shape, sweep and lines of ronnie's physique.

so, though i don't like the look of dorian's physique, i can understand why he dominated his era.  but the dorian side needs to realize that ronnie has over dorian what dorian had over the other top pros of his day. 

you're a fucking whack job.  what kind of petty person comes onto the boards to rub victory in his doubters' faces?  Also, what business do you think you're in that you should be above any comment or criticism of your physique? 

I wonder, are you in bodybuilding for yourself or is your career just an attempt at validation from others?

I don't know...  You strike me as very, very childish.  To snap at someone for noticing your torn pec is stupid, and shouldn't be taken as an insult. 

with all that said, good luck in the pros, you have an excellent physique.  It seems like a fucked up industry, do your best to stay grounded.

he looks smaller yet not as dry as usual

use a shot of ronnie 99

isn't that dave henry?

how many quarters can you fit up your nose?

would you let me shit on your chest?

people are becoming vegetables.  children are being programmed by the tv and computer at a young age, resulting in severe mental limitation.  it benefits one to try to forget the things you haven't figured out for yourself.  focus on something and take it apart; don't think of it in the terms you've been taught.  take anything in life and apply your own logic to it.  think, analyze; take everything apart and put it back together.

he looks great but i don't think his physique looks powerful the way ronnie's does.

newman, way more balanced

check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRe8BDUfzIo&NR

i used to be in the neighborhood of 240 lbs, albeit not ripped.  was lifting very respectable weight in every lift, upper 300s on bench and high 500s on squat and dl, but a slap lesion in my left shoulder sent all that to hell.  i haven't been able to train for the last year, but honestly i'm not sure i mind it.  i'm currently a lean 175, and now that i'm back in the gym i can bench low 200s for some good reps, but i get shoulder pain.  the shitty thing about is that i now have tendonitis in my left arm/elbow, a noticeable tear in my shoulder, and a higher insertion point on my left inner tricep.  i think that may be due to nerve damage, but who knows.  it also affected my lat.  i honestly think it could be the same exact thing that happened to ronnie coleman.  with all that said, i think the new, leaner version of me looks good.  girls definitely notice my muscles a lot more than they did  when i was strong.