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1  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Legalized Marijuana and the Crime Question on: April 23, 2014, 06:24:55 PM
thats opinion laced and likely not factual.    But pot has always been a bit of a demotivator. 

Definitely sounds like her opinion.  Was just asking about what you have seen.  I don't recall my pot smoking friends ever being "feminized." 
2  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Canada's middle class now richest in the world on: April 23, 2014, 05:17:56 PM
I would say that 60k per year and maybe 100k per household is middle class.

Thanks, although that doesn't sound like "after tax" income? 
3  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Legalized Marijuana and the Crime Question on: April 23, 2014, 03:54:14 PM
Huh?

From the bold part of the opinion piece I posted. 
4  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Legalized Marijuana and the Crime Question on: April 23, 2014, 01:34:20 PM
You can die for your country at 18 but you can't drink in it until you are 21. 

Definitely a contradiction. 

Have you ever seen "physiological feminization in men" from smoking pot? 
5  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Another Bush in the White House? on: April 23, 2014, 01:11:16 PM
I will not vote for Jeb - EVER


F Jeb

You might be sitting out 2016 then, because he has as good a shot as any to win the nomination. 

I think all Clintons and Bushes should not run anymore, but that's not reality. 
6  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Legalized Marijuana and the Crime Question on: April 23, 2014, 12:59:41 PM
 Shocked

The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Camille Paglia   

The age 21 rule sets the United States apart from all advanced Western nations, and it has pushed kids toward pills and other anti-social behavior.

The National Minimum Drinking Age Act, passed by Congress 30 years ago this July, is a gross violation of civil liberties and must be repealed. It is absurd and unjust that young Americans can vote, marry, enter contracts, and serve in the military at 18 but cannot buy an alcoholic drink in a bar or restaurant. The age 21 rule sets the United States apart from all advanced Western nations and lumps it with small or repressive countries like Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Indonesia, Qatar, Oman, and the United Arab Emirates.

Congress was stampeded into this puritanical law by Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD), who with all good intentions were wrongly intruding into an area of personal choice exactly as did the hymn-singing 19th-century Temperance crusaders, typified by Carrie Nation smashing beer barrels with her hatchet. Temperance fanaticism eventually triumphed and gave us 14 years of Prohibition. That in turn spawned the crime syndicates for booze smuggling, laying the groundwork for today’s global drug trade. Thanks a lot, Carrie!

Now that marijuana regulations have been liberalized in Colorado, it’s time to strike down this dictatorial national law. Government is not our nanny. The decrease in drunk-driving deaths in recent decades is at least partly attributable to more uniform seat-belt use and a strengthening of DWI penalties. Today, furthermore, there are many other causes of traffic accidents, such as the careless use of cell phones or prescription drugs like Ambien – implicated in the recent trial and acquittal of Kerry Kennedy for driving while impaired.

Learning how to drink responsibly is a basic lesson in growing up — as it is in wine-drinking France or in Germany, with its family-oriented beer gardens and festivals. Wine was built into my own Italian-American upbringing, where children were given sips of my grandfather’s home-made wine. This civilized practice descends from antiquity. Beer was a nourishing food in Egypt and Mesopotamia, and wine was identified with the life force in Greece and Rome: In vino veritas (in wine, truth). Wine as a sacred symbol of unity and regeneration remains in the Christian Communion service. Virginia Woolf wrote that wine with a fine meal lights a “subtle and subterranean glow, which is the rich yellow flame of rational intercourse.”

What this cruel 1984 law did is deprive young people of safe spaces where they could happily drink cheap beer, socialize, chat, and flirt in a free but controlled public environment. Hence in the 1980s we immediately got the scourge of crude binge drinking at campus fraternity keg parties, cut off from the adult world. Women in that boorish free-for-all were suddenly fighting off date rape. Club drugs — Ecstasy, methamphetamine, ketamine (a veterinary tranquilizer) — surged at raves for teenagers and on the gay male circuit scene.

Alcohol relaxes, facilitates interaction, inspires ideas, and promotes humor and hilarity. Used in moderation, it is quickly flushed from the system, with excess punished by a hangover. But deadening pills, such as today’s massively overprescribed anti-depressants, linger in body and brain and may have unrecognized long-term side effects. Those toxic chemicals, often manufactured by shadowy firms abroad, have been worrisomely present in a recent uptick of unexplained suicides and massacres. Half of the urban professional class in the U.S. seems doped on meds these days.

As a libertarian, I support the decriminalization of marijuana, but there are many problems with pot. From my observation, pot may be great for jazz musicians and Beat poets, but it saps energy and will-power and can produce physiological feminization in men. Also, it is difficult to measure the potency of plant-derived substances like pot. With brand-name beer or liquor, however, purchased doses have exactly the same strength and purity from one continent to another, with no fear of contamination by dangerous street additives like PCP.

Exhilaration, ecstasy, and communal vision are the gifts of Dionysus, god of wine. Alcohol’s enhancement of direct face-to-face dialogue is precisely what is needed by today’s technologically agile generation, magically interconnected yet strangely isolated by social media. Clumsy hardcore sexting has sadly supplanted simple hanging out over a beer at a buzzing dive. By undermining the art of conversation, the age 21 law has also had a disastrous effect on our arts and letters, with their increasing dullness and mediocrity. This tyrannical infantilizing of young Americans must stop!

http://time.com/72546/drinking-age-alcohol-repeal/
7  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Another Bush in the White House? on: April 23, 2014, 12:57:14 PM
He's running.

Jeb Bush: ‘I’m thinking about running for president’
By Cristina Corbin
Published April 23, 2014
FoxNews.com

Feb. 26, 2013: former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush talks after his address on education to the Texas Business Leadership Council in Austin, Texas.AP
Jeb Bush said Wednesday he's "thinking about running for president," in his most direct statement yet about a possible 2016 run.

The former Florida governor spoke at a Catholic school benefit in New York Wednesday morning. He previously has said he'll make a decision on whether to run for president before the end of this year, making clear that he was considering the possibility.

But his comments on Wednesday appeared to be more direct. Asked what his "immediate plans" were, he said, according to an attendee: "I'm thinking about running for president."

The answer was met with applause and a standing ovation, after which Bush said: "Can someone call my mother so she can hear this?" the source told FoxNews.com.

His mother, Barbara Bush, has previously dismissed the prospect of another son running for president, saying "We've had enough Bushes." She later backed off that view, and even seemed to tout a possible Jeb Bush candidacy in a recent Fox News interview.

The event on Wednesday, which was closed to the press, was attended by Cardinal Timothy Dolan and meant to raise money for the Archdiocese of New York's Catholic schools.

Bush affirmed his interest in a presidential bid a couple hours after David Axelrod dismissed the idea.

Axelrod, a former senior adviser to President Obama, told MSNBC on Wednesday morning that "I have some real doubts as to whether he's going to run."

"Running in the Republican Party today is a hard thing to do, and I don't think Jeb Bush wants to run for president and have to subjugate his principles like the last two nominees did," Axelrod told MSNBC.

Prominent GOP officials and donors reportedly have launched a campaign to draft him into the race.

In an interview aired earlier this month on "Fox News Sunday," Bush said he'd make a decision by the end of the year. But, in a preview of the scrutiny to come should he decide to enter the race, he made comments about immigration that antagonized some on the right.

In the interview, he said those who enter the U.S. illegally do so to help their families.

"It's an act of love. It's an act of commitment to your family," Bush said. "I honestly think that that is a different kind of crime. There should be a price paid, but it shouldn't rile people up that people are actually coming to this country to provide for their families."

A recent Fox News poll showed Bush holding his own among possible 2016 candidates. The poll, which asked Republicans about their preferred 2016 GOP candidate, showed New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie leading with 15 percent, followed by Bush and Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul with 14 percent each.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/23/jeb-bush-im-thinking-about-running-for-president/?intcmp=latestnews
8  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Another Bush in the White House? on: April 23, 2014, 12:56:06 PM
Imagine 5 million one-legged illegal Mexican immigrants hopping across unguarded portions of the border.  Fact. 
9  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates on: April 23, 2014, 12:55:08 PM
 Roll Eyes
10  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Canada's middle class now richest in the world on: April 23, 2014, 12:50:47 PM
What exactly are the "After-tax middle-class incomes in Canada"? 
11  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: STUPID Republican Voters on: April 22, 2014, 07:39:17 PM
Common sense.  Increased expenditures are passed along to the consumer in order to maintain profit margins. Paying for the higher wages has to come from somewhere.    CEOs sure as hell aren't going to lower their salaries.  Higher wages is why American made goods cost more. Go to any store and compare prices.

Absolute truth.  Not just higher wages, but anything that increases the cost of doing business results in higher costs passed along to consumers.  And the consumers hit hardest are the ones who can least afford it.
12  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Another Bush in the White House? on: April 22, 2014, 06:59:48 PM
Not just Somali pirates, but Jack Sparrow himself. 
13  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Another Bush in the White House? on: April 22, 2014, 06:14:42 PM
Imagine ten million naked illegal aliens storming Washington, D.C. 
14  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Another Bush in the White House? on: April 22, 2014, 05:32:09 PM
JEB BUSH PUSHES AMNESTY, MORE HIGH-TECH VISAS AT EDUCATION CONFERENCE
by TONY LEE  22 Apr 2014

At a prominent conference of education innovators, Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, who is considering a 2016 presidential run, called for more guest worker programs and a path to amnesty for all of the country's illegal immigrants.

Speaking at what is known as the "Davos in the Desert" event in Scottsdale, Arizona, on Monday evening, Bush said the United States needed "robust guest worker programs" and an expansion of H1-B visas for the high-tech industry," even though the notion that there is a shortage of American high-tech workers has been called a myth. He also called for a "tough but fair path to legalized status" for all of the country's illegal immigrants and an end to immigration quotas for countries.

Bush said that it was not an "American value to have 12-13 million people living in the shadows" and spoke about the need to protect borders and sanction companies that may hire illegal immigrants.

He asserted that the "rags to riches rate" in the country is only four percent and that the American Dream is being replaced with "stickiness at both ends," as those born either wealthy or poor are likely to remain so while the middle class feels the squeeze.

Bush has previously called illegal immigration "an act of love" and said the issue "shouldn't rile people up." Establishment Republican guru Karl Rove even conceded that Jeb Bush was not artful in those remarks. At the conference, which was co-hosted by Arizona State University and GSV Advisors, Bush made no reference to those prior comments, though he has previously defended them.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/04/21/Jeb-Bush-Pushes-Amnesty-More-High-Tech-Visas-at-Davos-in-the-Desert-Conference
15  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Legalized Marijuana and the Crime Question on: April 22, 2014, 02:05:34 PM
That was long ago lol.  Would think of it today.

Good.  You know Big Brother is always watching . . . .
16  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: POLITICAL EDITION of "Would you hit it?" on: April 22, 2014, 02:05:01 PM
Viagra/Cialus cocktail would not get me working for that thing

To be fair, that is a really unflattering picture.  I'm sure she doesn't look like that all the time. 
17  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: POLITICAL EDITION of "Would you hit it?" on: April 22, 2014, 01:46:48 PM
 Cheesy
18  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Tennessee atheists win right to distribute literature after schools give Bibles on: April 22, 2014, 01:44:17 PM
I don't know if this is common knowledge, but what is your profession?

Chief cook and bottle washer at my house.   Smiley

I'm not the subject of this thread. 
19  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates on: April 22, 2014, 01:19:01 PM
Didn't realize he is 90. 

Dole on Paul, Cruz, Rubio: They're not ready
Posted by
CNN Political Unit

(CNN) - Former Republican Sen. Bob Dole argued that some of the men among the younger generation of potential GOP presidential candidates aren't quite ready to take on the White House.

"A number of the younger members, first-termers like Rand Paul, (Marco) Rubio and that extreme-right-wing guy – Ted Cruz? All running for president now," he said in an interview this week with The Wichita Eagle. "I don't think they've got enough experience yet."

The former Republican senator from Kansas and 1996 GOP presidential nominee - who also served as a U.S. congressman as well as the GOP vice presidential nominee in 1976 - is returning to his roots this week for a nine-county tour around Kansas.

At meet-and-greet events and public discussions, the 90-year-old is sharing stories and taking questions from his former constituents.

Cruz made headlines last month for publicly criticizing Dole, as well as other failed GOP presidential nominees like John McCain and Mitt Romney. The Texas Republican said they were "good" and "decent men" but he suggested that they lacked principle and stood "for nothing," which was why they lost.

Dole told CNN at the time that "Senator Cruz needs to check the record before passing judgment."

As the former politician and World War II veteran travels around Kansas, he's emphasizing a message of bipartisanship.

"I always tried when I was the (Senate Republican Leader) leader for 10 years to of course work with my Republicans but also reach out to my friends on the other side. I found out you get more done if you sometimes have to compromise," he said Monday at an event in Olathe, Kansas.

In the interview with The Wichita Eagle, Dole joked that his "main concern about (the 2016) elections is that, well, I just hope I'm still around to vote then."

"If not ... I plan to vote absentee," he added, saying he has "no idea how they get the ballots back from up there…But I will check it out. And send it back special delivery."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/04/22/dole-on-paul-cruz-rubio-theyre-not-ready/
20  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: The Official Chris Christie Appreciation Thread on: April 22, 2014, 01:17:23 PM
Christie Campaign Piles Up Debt Over Bridge-gate
Tuesday, 22 Apr 2014
By Drew MacKenzie

The bridge-gate scandal is costing New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie’s re-election campaign a bundle of money, The Wall Street Journal reported.

Chris Christie for Governor has forked out $314,000 to date to pay for legal fees for the federal and state investigations into the closure of lanes leading to the George Washington Bridge last year.

According to recent finance figures, the campaign has $156,587 in the bank, but listed $264,000 of legal fees as debt.

The campaign commissioned the legal firm Patton Boggs LLP to help investigate the shutdown last September after a federal probe was launched into the legality of the closures, as well as an inquiry by a state legislative committee.

The firm has billed $160,000 in fees so far, while Stroz Friedberg, an investigations and intelligence firm, charged the campaign $154,000 for fees pertaining to its review of the traffic ban on access lanes to the bridge from Fort Lee, N.J., that caused four days of bumper-to-bumper chaos.

The Christie administration hired the Manhattan law firm Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP to examine whether the governor knew about the closures beforehand. The firm, which exonerated Christie, has yet to submit its bill, although it will be paid by the state.

The legislative committee, which hired a special counsel for its investigation, has shelled out $488,400 spent in legal fees, the firm’s invoice reveals, according to the Journal.

Two months ago, the state Election Law Enforcement Commission agreed to allow Christie’s campaign to cover the legal expenses on the condition that it did not become the target of a grand jury investigation.

The Christie campaign only received $3,800 in donations in the first quarter of the year, the report added, meaning that it will have to raise money get itself out of debt.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Chris-Christie-campaign-campaign-debt-Bridge-gate/2014/04/22/id/566916#ixzz2zeFkgDAE
21  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Legalized Marijuana and the Crime Question on: April 22, 2014, 01:16:07 PM
If thinking that makes you feel better, I prescribe it or have and I have an intimate knowledge of it. Also, don't equate what I post to what you post, I posted primary research, ie fact, you posted opinion and not even a thorough one. On top of that you appeal to authority, the US government agency, so what. Why are you posting an abuse sheet anyway? perhaps we are all over the place because I am still not sure what your position is, nor am I sure you even know. You seem to be trying to find negatives about the drug, my first post went over those, those same ones you keep bringing up. The reason this is happening is two fold, you don't know what you are reading and/or you didn't read it. I can tell thinking tuckers you out so the latter rather then the former is most likely true.

I am an expert, it may upset you to find that out but some people actually know what they are talking about. You see you have this habit of arguing without actually making any points, it's quite he skill, you skirt the issue and try and obfuscate as much as possible.

The last comment about Ozmo is meant to upset me? Ozmo is a smart guy, he can read the thread and I doubt he would agree with you.

and last, you are left arguing a position you didn't even hold because you have back peddled to the point of an infinite regress my man. You are now posting abuse sheets as a form of argument, your position appears to be that sometimes in some people when the misuse the drug they have moderate-severe side effects. Well you appear to have won the debate, I can't argue that position, although I am not sure I was ever involved with debating it.

All you did was grab something off the internet and post it.  You interspersed that with technical terms to try and make yourself sound educated about the subject, lobbed repeated insults, then got lonely when I went away for the weekend. 

Here is the primary problem:  for whatever reason, you have a lot invested in this subject and you let emotion get in the way of having a rational discussion. 

I don't really know what I think about this drug.  I had a discussion with someone last night about this.  I'm not sure what I think about whether it should be legal or not, and have not expressed an opinion in this thread one way or the other. 

What I do believe is there are a number of health implications from smoking this stuff.  That was really the start of our exchange.  You can believe this a "wonder drug" all you want.  That isn't what I've been reading about this drug. 
22  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Legalized Marijuana and the Crime Question on: April 22, 2014, 01:10:28 PM
lol  both.   Shocked

Oh snap.  Better be careful.   Smiley
23  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Tennessee atheists win right to distribute literature after schools give Bibles on: April 22, 2014, 01:09:47 PM
That's a great attitude to have. It's a pity more people aren't like you.


Again, we agree. I'm starting to get worried here!


First things first:I didn't call you a liar. Now, with that said, I am willing to take you at your word, despite the fact that experience has taught me that most religious people see the same act differently depending on whether their religion is involved. But that doesn't mean you are like that.



There's a few things wrong. First and foremost is that under current First Amendment jurisprudence it's almost certainly not legal. The fact is that the government (and government employees in their official capacity, military chaplains excepted) cannot endorse or promote religion generally, much less a specific one.

You mention holding religious functions on Government property. Sure, it's possible to do this but only if the government does this in a content-neutral way: if one group gets to use the atrium to praise Jesus, the government can't deny access to a group seeking access to the atrium to praise the Flying Spaghetti Monster or plod through the writings of Ayn Rand.

As for people holding Bible studies in their office if it's private property I don't care about. If you want to allow your secretary to have a statue of Ganesha, and follow her religious practices in the office, more power to you.

But I find it highly inappropriate if it's a government office. See above for the reasons. Now, normally what I find or don't wouldn't mean much - I don't think my opinion is special and that people should snap at attention because I'm speaking. But in this case various Courts have spoken - including the Supreme Court - and they have, substantially, said the same thing.

We can argue the propriety of this if you want, but that won't change the current, legal status quo. Well, not unless you're secretly a Justice!

lol.  Agreeing with me isn't so bad.   Smiley

Regarding Bible studies, etc. in government offices, I really don't see a problem.  An individual government employee can pray alone in his office.  He can also pray with another coworker or three in his office.  No real distinction between that and a Bible study IMO.  

I'm not sure if you've ever participated in a Bible study group, but it's really nothing more than a group of people sitting around talking story.  There is a verse (or passage) that is sort of the subject of the meeting, but the conversation is all over the place and not always "religious."  Everyone who is there wants to be there.  

I just don't see that as the government establishing religion.  People don't have to check their faith at the door just because they work in government.  
24  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: POLITICAL EDITION of "Would you hit it?" on: April 22, 2014, 01:00:04 PM


Quote
I have to be honest.  I'd do her.

But you guys would never know, because the SS wouldn't let me tell you all about it.

 Shocked Shocked Shocked
25  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Fox News is going Libertarian? on: April 22, 2014, 12:56:40 PM
Looks the same to me.
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