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26  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Is it just about being right/winning the argument? on: July 31, 2014, 08:57:36 AM
I lol at the people who take this shit seriously. Spend a year or two working in DC or your state capitol. Then you'll know the truth. Politics is a business no different than any other. Thinking any of these politicians have any ideology beyond their own self-interest is like thinking the guys in the IFBB are natural.

I actually agree with you.   Shocked
27  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: MSNBC has lowest ratings in nearly a decade - LMFAO!!! Ha Ha Ha!!! on: July 31, 2014, 08:56:30 AM
In the least surprising news of the day . . . .

I understand why the people who watch that network can have a distorted view of what's going on in the country.  Horrible network.   
28  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ronald on Immigration on: July 31, 2014, 08:52:07 AM
Dems are masters of spinning data and using fuzzy numbers to 'prove their point'. Even if these numbers are accurate-which i doubt- it shows only 'apprehensions', which is completely seperate from the actual numbers who are pouring in.

Ive lived in texas since then, and its clear as day what is going on now to anyone living in a border state. I cannot go ANYWHERE now without hearing more spanish than english. These arent just native hispanic americans either, they are foreign nationals. Ive never seen anything like what is going on now.

Correct.  I don't really doubt the numbers that are being reported, but the way some of these airheads are spinning them is the issue.  As I said earlier, anyone who believes we have seen illegal immigration plummet is uninformed. 

But it is difficult to reason with partisan hacks.   
29  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ronald on Immigration on: July 30, 2014, 08:11:40 PM

No I don't need a link.  I didn't ask for one.  I doubt you decided to just go research statistics.  A number of liberal rags posted these numbers and spun them just like you did.  The numbers do not say illegal immigration has plummeted as you claim.  They simply show apprehensions have plummeted.  That means we are doing a much poorer job of securing the border.
30  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Is it just about being right/winning the argument? on: July 30, 2014, 08:06:13 PM
Liberals ARE talking about impeachment dipshit..they're fundraising off of it.

About $1 million in about 24 hours.
31  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Liberal Hypocrisy on: July 30, 2014, 08:04:46 PM
Even if it isn't your own father, Dobson is preaching some borderline NAMBLA shit there. 

I would say that anyone with common sense would find it repulsive, but we are talking about a guy that thinks Bachmann is "brilliant".

I don't have a problem with anything I said I that discussion, including this:

Straw I agree there is room for interpretation and possibly some confusion.   

One of the things I took away from the entire article is that boys and girls are different and cannot be raised the same way.  They don't talk the same way, walk the same way, they are built differently, they look different.  I remember looking at my soon a few years ago and thinking "he walks like a boy."  He's a little soft for my tastes (thanks to his mother), but I don't raise him the same way I do my daughters.  I recently had the "birds and bees" talk with him and one of the things we talked about is the difference between men and woman, complete with pictures.  I have a book that we'll be reading together that talks about, among other things, the different stages of puberty, including how his little wiener will grow, complete with pictures.  I don't do the shower thing, but I do the equivalent by showing him pictures of the different stages of, for example, pubic hair growth.

My son and I also recently had a talk about "crying like man."  He will still occasionally cry when he is punished (not necessarily corporal punishment either).  He was whining like a baby the other day.  We talked about what distinguishes a boy from a sissy (I don't believe sissy = homosexual) and how crying when you don't get your way and/or when you get sent to your room makes you look like a sissy.  I don't want him acting like a little girl.     

So, when I read Dobson's comments, he affirmed what I've already been doing with my own son, namely, highlighting the differences between girls and boys, men and women.  There are multiple ways to do this.     

But what that discussion shows is she was the Village Idiot and remains so today.   Smiley

And I'm sure you probably know this, but I take your comments with a grain of salt.  You are one creepy mofo.
32  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Is it just about being right/winning the argument? on: July 30, 2014, 06:31:40 PM
Unfortunately, I think politicians by and large care about money, staying in power, and pushing an agenda (regardless of merit), and care very little about what is really best for the country. 

And yes, the board is in a sense a microcosm of the national political scene in that regard.  Many of the people posting on the board play this us versus them game and are blindly partisan.  Not true of everyone. 
33  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ronald on Immigration on: July 30, 2014, 05:27:33 PM
I am reporting the stats that was reflected elsewhere.

Feel free to supply any other stats other than speculation about the subject if you want.  Surely our border security has only IMPROVED and INCREASED since Reagans era.    But don't let that stop you from finding a link to something that say otherwise.

You are reporting and spinning stats you likely got from some liberal rag, which is what I found when I plugged the information in Google.  Is that why you didn't post a link?   

If you believe we have 600,000 fewer illegals coming across the border than 40 years ago then you are incredibly uninformed.  Have you been around the country, particularly to border states?  I've seen the results in California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas.  Nobody who is paying attention (and isn't spouting some agenda) believes that we have had this monumental decrease in illegal immigration.  Absurd. 
34  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates on: July 30, 2014, 05:07:56 PM
They are not compatible in any sense: Reason and logic are a tool of knowledge. Faith isn't. Faith involves blind acceptance, induced by feelings and in the absence of any (or worse still, contrary to) rational evidence or proof.

Except that's not what I said. You ought to read my post more closely. It's perfectly possible to be quite intelligent and reach faith-based decisions. Repeating my earlier examples:

  • One can believe, on faith, that the Universe was created by a Supreme Being. This is fine and not necessarily irrational, although it certainly can be.
  • One can also believe, on faith, that the earth is fixed and the sun revolves around it. This is not fine and it is demonstrably irrational because it contradicts established and easily observable and verifiable facts.

I'm an equal-opportunity labeler and I will label anyone who allows faith to override reason and evidence as an idiot. It's entirely possible (although, I would hope, rare) that highly intelligent people would fall into that category.

Be careful to not misunderstand or misrepresent my position: I don't claim that believing in God or believing in intelligent design qualifies one as an idiot. It's possible that someone could have received evidence which convinced him of the existence of God via personal revelation. But personal revelations have meaning only to the person receiving them. So if someone was, indeed, convinced by a personal revelation that a particularly flavor of the Christian God is real, then more power to them. 

Regarding the beginning on life on earth, my only position on the topic is one that can be supported by rational facts. Namely, that the building blocks of life can arise as the result of natural processes and our best evidence to date suggests that this is what happened. Generally speaking positing supernatural influences is irrational.

I'd be curious to know which faith-based beliefs you are referring to and what the "provable facts" are, since if there are provable facts the need for faith goes away.

Look a little harder. It's like one of those puzzles where you have to squint to see the picture.

You are overstating how faith works, at least with me and many people I know.  It's not about "blind acceptable" of irrational things.  It's about using reason and logic in conjunction with the unknown.  For example, most of my faith-based beliefs are rational (at least to me).  Things need to make sense.  For example, I believe in the Biblical principle of tithing.  Can I prove that you will be blessed if you tithe?  Not really.  I can only tell you what happens to me (and many other people who do it).  You can probably come up with a number of possible explanations for how or why I have been blessed with various things, but I link it directly to the challenge that if you return a tenth of what you earn, you will be blessed so much so that there will not be room enough to receive it.  Not everyone believes this, and not everyone needs too.

But tithing makes sense to me.  It teaches you to live on less than what you earn, and living below your means is one of the key factors in increasing your net worth.  It helps you appreciate giving.  It makes me feel good to give back.  That's the logic behind my faith-based belief.  I could give you numerous other examples like this.

That doesn't mean there are things that don't make sense.  For instance, I don't understand suffering.  I don't know why some good people die young and some corrupt people live a heck of a long time.  I just went to a funeral on the mainland last weekend for a high school classmate.  He was in what we call his "sweet spot."  He ran his own business.  Was making a lot of money.  Incredibly successful.  A terrific dude.  One of the nicest, most level-headed persons I've known.  Had just bought his dream house and dream cars.  Had a beautiful wife and kids.  Then he drowned in the middle of a thirty-day vacation in South America.  About 1,000 people at his funeral.  I don't get that.  I have ideas, but no answer. 

In any event, I will stop here, because I'm starting to make those absurdly long posts like you.  lol
35  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates on: July 30, 2014, 04:14:06 PM
I'm sure that he made such decisions in his capacity as a doctor. In fact, I'm sure he has the mental acuity to make rational and fact-based decisions. The question (for me) is does he do so consistently? I ask this because logic and faith aren't compatible tools; they aren't even complementary.

He's entitled to adopt any position he wants he wants vis-à-vis evolution. But his position and the reasoning behind it, say something him.

They are when the faith-based decision requires disregarding facts. I'll give you two examples involving the use of faith:

  • Believing that the universe was created by God: It may not necessarily be a position supported by logic and facts but can be supported on the basis of faith. Conclusion: we're cool.
  • Believing that the earth is fixed and the sun revolves around it: This position contradicts established facts and defies logic. No amount of faith will fix that. Conclusion: you're a doofus.

Long story short: using faith to justify something irrational and dismiss actual facts is bad.

I form opinions on the only evidence available to me: his own statements. Is it possible that his statements paint him in an unflattering light? Sure. Is it possible that I am misinterpreting his statements? Sure. I remain open to being convinced that I am, actually, wrong and he is a great candidate. But so far, everything that I've seen is that he's no different than other politicians.

Faith and logic are different, but compatible.  It's simplistic to say that a person who makes faith-based decisions is unintelligent, or incapable of consistently making fact-based, logical decisions.  If that were not the case, you'd have to label a lot of highly intelligent people as "dumb," because they believe in God, believe in intelligent design, etc. 

Regarding the beginning of life on earth, you do not have a fact-based belief in how life began (whatever your belief is), because we don't know how life began on day one.  I've had a lengthy discussion about this on the Religion Board.  Cannot remember if you were a part of it?  But as much as people want to run from the "faith" label, having a belief in something that has not or cannot be proved is, at the end of the day, a faith-based belief.  Also, there are often provable facts supporting faith-based beliefs. 

I haven't seen anything about Dr. Carson so far that makes him like other politicians. 
36  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Liberal Hypocrisy on: July 30, 2014, 04:02:07 PM

How come nobody's ever seen that?

In fact, usually we see you dangling from his ball sack, pathetically desperate for him to even acknowledge your existence, endlessly hoping he'll toss you a word or phrase here and there.

Kinda pathetic really.

And creepy...

Absolute truth.  She is like a jilted ex-girlfriend.  Follows me around like a lost puppy.  lol
37  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ronald on Immigration on: July 30, 2014, 04:00:43 PM
I am not claiming anything.  The US Customs and Borders are.

Yes, you are claiming this:

Number of illegal immigrants pouring into this country:

Under Reagan: 1,026,000/yr
Under Obama: 417,000/yr

[U.S. Customs & Border Patrol statistical reports]

But don't worry.  Despite illegal immigration being at a 40 year low

The numbers are based on apprehensions.  The fact fewer illegals are being apprehended under Obama doesn't mean fewer illegals are crossing the border.    This is about the most retarded thing I've read on the board this week.  But it's only Wednesday . . . .
38  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Impeachment on: July 30, 2014, 03:57:18 PM
240...I don't think you understand how impeachment works...if you did you'd STFU about it.....

39  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Congress calls for Redskins change on: July 30, 2014, 02:23:04 PM
Hillary Clinton: Redskins name ‘insensitive’

Hillary Clinton says the Washington Redskins need a name change.

“I think it’s insensitive and I think that there’s no reason for it to continue as the name of a team in our nation’s capital,” Clinton said during an interview on Tuesday with Jorge Ramos, who asked her if she thought the name was a “racial slur.”

“I would love to see the owners think hard about what they could substitute,” she added.

Last month, the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office on Wednesday canceled six federal trademarks of the team name because it was found to be “disparaging” to Native Americans. The decision has put more pressure on team owner Daniel Snyder — who has vowed he won’t change the name — to move on the issue.

Clinton is the latest political figure to suggest the D.C.-area team change its name. In May, 50 senators — 48 Democrats and two independents — wrote NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell to urge the league to change the name. “The N.F.L. can no longer ignore this and perpetuate the use of this name as anything but what it is: a racial slur,” the letter read. The letter was not circulated among Republicans.

The NFL shot down the letter later that day, saying the team wants to portray a “strong, positive and respectful image” with the name.

Last October, President Barack Obama said the nickname offends “a sizable group of people” and that if he were the owner, he would “think about changing it.” And earlier this month, Attorney General Eric Holder said he thought the name should be dropped, calling it “offensive.”

When Ramos asked Clinton if she had any suggestions for a new name, the potential 2016 Democratic presidential candidate laughed and said she hadn’t thought of any alternatives.
40  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Impeachment on: July 30, 2014, 02:21:49 PM
Krauthammer’s Take: Amnesty via Executive Order an Impeachable Offense, but Impeachment Would Still Be Political Suicide
By NRO Staff
July 29, 2014

Talk of impeachment is a “concoction of Democrats,” but that doesn’t mean there isn’t a grander strategy by the White House and its congressional allies, Charles Krauthammer warned.

On Tuesday’s Special Report, he speculated that the Obama administration may be trying to exhaust the idea of impeachment and “softening people up for” when the president uses executive action to grant legal status and work authorization to millions of immigrants in the country illegally. Such an action would be “clearly lawless and it would be biggest domestic overreach of a president in memory” and “an impeachable offense,” he said.

But if Obama did go ahead with his amnesty-by-fiat plan, Krauthammer still thinks impeachment wouldn’t work. “I would be 100 percent against impeachment because it’s political suicide,” he said.
41  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Waste, Fraud, and Abuse on: July 30, 2014, 02:20:00 PM
Government-Funded Study: Why Is Wikipedia Sexist?
$202,000 to address ‘gender bias’ in world’s biggest online encyclopedia
BY: Elizabeth Harrington 
July 30, 2014

The National Science Foundation (NSF) is spending over $200,000 to find out why Wikipedia is sexist.

The government has awarded two grants for collaborative research to professors at Yale University and New York University to study what the researchers describe as “systematic gender bias” in the online encyclopedia.

“Wikipedia was launched in 2001 and has since become the world’s single most important reference tool and information clearinghouse,” the grant states. “Unlike traditional encyclopedias, which are controlled by experts, Wikipedia was supposed to have democratized knowledge.”

“Yet an emerging body of research indicates that Wikipedia suffers from systematic gender bias with respect to both contributors and content,” it continues. “How and why is this bias produced?”

A $132,000 grant was awarded to Julia Adams, a sociology professor at Yale, followed by $70,000 to Hannah Brueckner, the associate dean of social sciences at NYU Abu Dhabi.

The research intends to contribute to efforts to address gender bias, such as the work of Deanna Zandt, a “media technologist” who gives speeches encouraging women to edit Wikipedia.

“The investigators are committed to the goal of training new social scientists amid a landscape of enhanced interdisciplinary understanding,” the grant said. “Yet the potential impact of this project reaches far beyond the academy.”

“Under-representation of female scholars and associated scholarship reduces the quality and completeness of Wikipedia, imposing significant costs on the millions of readers who rely on it,” it said. “The findings from this research should clarify where in the complex chain of knowledge gender disparities arise. The findings should also bolster ongoing efforts to address those disparities, in this case by improving quality and reducing bias on academic—and more general—Wikipedia.”

An ongoing debate exists over whether the website has sexist undertones.

Zandt argues that Wikipedia is biased because the majority of its editors are “young, white, child-free men.”

“There’s nothing inherently wrong with a young, white, child-free man’s perspective, of course—it’s just that there are tons of other perspectives in the world that should influence how a story gets told,” Zandt wrote in an editorial for Forbes last year, entitled, “Yes, Wikipedia Is Sexist—That’s Why It Needs You.”

“It’s not enough to sit back and hope for the best when finding sexist, racist, homophobic, trans*phobic, etc., language or information on Wikipedia,” she said. “In order to fix it, we need lots of different kinds of people to jump in and start editing Wikipedia, too.”

Last year, a New York Times op-ed leveled charges of sexism against Wikipedia because it created a separate entry dedicated to women American novelists, removing female writers from the “American Novelists” page.

Noam Cohen, a columnist for the Times who does not have a Wikipedia page, has asserted the encyclopedia is biased because articles about friendship bracelets are shorter than entries about baseball cards.

“And consider the disparity between two popular series on HBO: The entry on ‘Sex and the City’ includes only a brief summary of every episode, sometimes two or three sentences; the one on ‘The Sopranos’ includes lengthy, detailed articles on each episode,” he wrote.

However, the Wikipedia page for “Woman” is much longer than the entry for “Man.”

Slate published a rebuttal to Cohen’s piece, arguing that a gender gap in the number of male contributors does not mean Wikipedia is sexist.

“Wikipedia’s gender imbalance is a non-problem in search of a misguided solution,” wrote Heather Mac Donald, a fellow at the Manhattan Institute. “Besides, the vast majority of men don’t contribute to Wikipedia, just as the vast majority of women don’t. The site has only 91,000 active contributors; that leaves a lot of men whose ‘voices’ are also not being heard.”
42  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Impeachment on: July 30, 2014, 02:18:49 PM
Newt: Obama Might Grant Amnesty To Provoke Impeachment Calls

WASHINGTON — Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said Tuesday that if President Obama moves forward with a rumored executive order to legalize five million illegal immigrants, he will be trying to provoke Republicans to impeach him because that would help Democrats in the midterm elections.

“There is a rumor that the president, around Labor Day, may use executive action to legalize five million people who are here outside the law,” Gingrich said during a speech Tuesday, sponsored by the Young America’s Foundation. “And I think if they do it, it will be trying to provoke the Republicans to institute impeachment.”

Asked if Republicans should impeach Obama, Gingrich replied: “No.”

“It won’t succeed in impeaching Obama,” Gingrich said. “It’s the Democrats who want to talk about it because they raise money off of it.”

Gingrich, speaking at the 36th Annual National Conservative Student Conference at George Washington University, explained that Democrats are able to increase fundraising numbers by making their base think impeachment is a real possibility. But Speaker of the House John Boehner ruled out the possibility of that happening on Tuesday.

Obama is considering legalizing five million illegal immigrants who are parents of American-born children, according to reports. “The country would go crazy if the president were to do something so stupid,” Gingrich said.

The plan could backfire politically on Democrats, he said. The right move for Republicans if Obama issues such an executive action, Gingrich said, would be to move a bill in the House saying it’s illegal. As that bill would move to the Senate, it would put Senate Democrats in an awkward position, he theorized.

“And the Democrats running for re-election even in seats that look like they’re not in trouble would be in trouble overnight,” he said.

Democrats have been frantically pushing the idea that Obama could be impeached over the last week.

Senior Obama aide Dan Pfeiffer has warned reporters not to “discount” the possibility of impeachment. In recent days, Democrats have been begging donors to give money to their campaign committees, citing the chance of impeachment.

“These people are pretty desperate,” Gingrich said. “Nothing is working. And so they are looking for some fight that allows them to re-polarize the country in terms that help them in the election.

Continuing, Gingrich said: “I think we ought to laugh at them and say ‘if the best you can do after six years of the presidency is to yell impeachment and hope that you can raise money, it is a pretty pathetic presidency.’ And by the way, it is a pretty pathetic presidency.”
43  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ronald on Immigration on: July 30, 2014, 02:17:44 PM
I don't think the numbers are BS. Look at the 1980 census and compare it with the 2010 census. The ethnic makeup of the US has changed dramatically since Reagan.

The numbers are BS when you put them in context. 
44  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Mom arrested for letting son walk to park alone on: July 30, 2014, 02:17:10 PM
What's wrong with this Mom?

I wouldn't let my son do that at 11 years old.

Me neither.  She has a lot to learn. 

Or maybe we are just paranoid parents? 
45  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Liberal Hypocrisy on: July 30, 2014, 02:16:24 PM
No it isn't.  You want it to be, but its not. 

Its a broad brush statement that can mean many different things.  Especially if its subject is something as complex and multifaceted as capitalism.  That's why i can say the 49er's sucka nd they are the best team ever in the same sentence.

That's why his hypocrisy or lack thereof is in the details. 

I don't want it to be anything.  I don't care about that dude.  I have nothing invested in this. 

Yes, his comments can mean many things.  I've reached my own conclusions about them.  You've reached a different conclusion about them.  No biggie.   

You can say the 49ers are evil and profit off of poor fans, then sell 49er hats to poor fans making millions in the process.  That would make you a hypocrite, just like Moore. 
46  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ronald on Immigration on: July 30, 2014, 02:13:54 PM
Number of illegal immigrants pouring into this country:

Under Reagan: 1,026,000/yr
Under Obama: 417,000/yr

[U.S. Customs & Border Patrol statistical reports]

But don't worry.  Despite illegal immigration being at a 40 year low, Rick Perry sends 1000 National Guard to border to see what can be done about it.  By visuals only.

Obama has vowed to counter Perry's actions (by executive order of course) and move the Statue of Liberty to south Texas.   /sarcasm.

Are you seriously claiming that the number of illegal immigrants has dropped by about 600,000 people a year? 
47  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates on: July 30, 2014, 02:12:50 PM
that's what so fun about this whole board.

Yes, everyone has their role.   Smiley
48  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Obama: "Stop Hatin All the Time"- response to GOP lawsuit over abuse of power on: July 30, 2014, 12:56:26 PM
I had to switch to another local station to listen to Rush, because of the live coverage of that gibberish.

I stopped listening to the president a long time ago.   Undecided
49  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Mom arrested for letting son walk to park alone on: July 30, 2014, 12:54:59 PM
Community notification of registered sex offenders began 1994. Surely there have always been pedophiles in every neighborhood. We just didn't know where they lived. Potentially, there are pedophiles is all neighborhoods, whether we know they live there or not. While I agree that it is errant to send a child out to play where there are know pedophiles, assuming this mother knew of this, is it not better to give your kids the tools to know how to deal with this treat should it ever occur? When the boy was questioned by someone at the pool, he did what parents have been teaching their kids to do for a long time and that is not to talk to strangers. He did this by fleeing the scene.

A half mile is ten city blocks.  In Oregon, school bus transportation is not required unless the student lives more than a mile from school, which is 20 city blocks. This law does not address the risk of them being approached by pedophiles in the neighborhood. I could not locate the Florida school bus transportation laws, but let's assume they are not markedly different from Oregon's. This would mean a parent can allow their 7 year old to walk to school but not to a park which is potentially closer to home than the school.

Good point about kids walking to school.  Still, I don't like the idea of a seven year old kid doing what this kid did.  And if you listened to him, he's really vulnerable.  Also, the mom saying he has a cell phone, as if this makes it ok, is pretty naive on her part.
50  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Liberal Hypocrisy on: July 30, 2014, 12:51:07 PM
What context was he saying that in, and what other comments supports that context?

He said capitalism is evil.  He did not limit his comments to individuals or companies within the capitalist system.  An indictment of the entire system is as broad as you can get.  That's the context.
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