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35526  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Limbaugh: Obama Should ‘Renounce’ His Race And Just ‘Become White’ on: February 15, 2007, 04:58:58 PM
You mean to say, some racists are not white?  I refuse to believe it!

Stop the presses.  It's true.   Smiley 
35527  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Limbaugh: Obama Should ‘Renounce’ His Race And Just ‘Become White’ on: February 15, 2007, 04:53:55 PM
There are studies showing brain wave patterns hetero and homosexual people... they tell a story against the "choice" you are speaking of.

I've never read those studies, but I am certain that if there were scientific proof that person was born homosexual or bisexual it would be all over the news and used in the many legislative battles over this issue. 
35528  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Limbaugh: Obama Should ‘Renounce’ His Race And Just ‘Become White’ on: February 15, 2007, 04:51:13 PM
The most educational thing I ever learned in college was a bitter comment by a Latina who was a fellow student: "There are only two races in this country: Whites and Everyone Else."

Limbaugh's point is that Obama is not White. As such, his striving for political power is an infinitely threatening attack on the white privilege that is the foundation of the Republican's entire world-view.

So Limbaugh's bleating here is a coded way of saying that Obama isn't playing fair if he won't acknowledge that he's an uppity ni@@er.


Actually, society says Obama is black.  Doesn't matter what political party they belong too.  I know lots of half black/half something else people and kids.  They are always deemed "black" by society.  
35529  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Limbaugh: Obama Should ‘Renounce’ His Race And Just ‘Become White’ on: February 15, 2007, 04:48:30 PM
Anne Heche is absolutely the exception to the rule...

Scientific studies have shown that a Gay male's brain functions like a straight females, and a lesbian female's functions like a straight male.

I disagree completely that it is all about "choice".

I don't think Heche is the exception.  I've heard of lots of people who have done this.  Then there are the "bisexuals."  This stuff isn't genetic.  There is no homosexual gene or bisexual gene.  People have been trying for years to prove this, but it hasn't happened.  I don't think it ever will.   
35530  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Tennessee Bill Would Require Death Certificates for Aborted Fetuses on: February 15, 2007, 04:31:06 PM
Indeed. It would be left to his son to install a mouth-foaming fascist like Scalia on the court.

You mean like Roberts and Alito?  Those were two pretty good appointments. 
35531  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Limbaugh: Obama Should ‘Renounce’ His Race And Just ‘Become White’ on: February 15, 2007, 04:29:23 PM
I agree that it's not a partisan issue. It's an issue of the nation's founding principles. Or - as I like to say - "What part of 'all men are created equal' don't you understand?"

Civil rights for blacks in Mississippi would not have won the ballot either. There's a reason why such things are not supposed to be decided by popular vote. It's called "protection from the tyranny of the majority".

"Traditional marriage" is a code-word for "Christian law". The United States is not supposed to be in the business of enforcing Christian law.

Actually, this is a matter that must be decided by popular vote.  Homosexuality is not innate, like race.  It's a lifestyle choice.  It's not included in the categories of "suspect classes" like race and national origin.  Comparing homosexuality and race is apples and oranges IMO.  People chosoe to live and leave the lifestyle all the time.  Anne Heche is an example I've probably used about ten times on this board:  straight, then lesbian, then straight and married to a man, had a baby, now divorcing.  You cannot change your race, although it has been tried (see "Black Like Me"; great book).  

A lifestyle choice is subject to majority rule.  

And there is nothing wrong with Christians participating in the voting process.  Some people are very paranoid about any Christian influence in the public sector.  While I agree with church-state separation, I disagree that we have to try and remove religious influences from the legal process.  They are intertwined.  And really, at the end of the day, if people don't want a "Christian" influence in the any particular law, they should go to the polls and vote.  That is something Christian conservatives do very well.    
35532  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Sports Discussion Boards / Re: Retired NBA star Hardaway says he hates 'gay people' on: February 15, 2007, 03:42:16 PM
You quoted me before I realized that, and fixed it! Tim has always been pretty arrogant. I agree, total imbecile.

No biggie.   Smiley  Maybe this was an attempt by Hardaway to make himself relevant again? 
35533  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Limbaugh: Obama Should ‘Renounce’ His Race And Just ‘Become White’ on: February 15, 2007, 03:25:13 PM
Which of these conservative principles do you find irrelevant to the support of gay marriage?

1) Government isn't supposed to regulate our personal lives.

2) Government isn't supposed to endorse a religious condemnation of homosexuality.

Or is it that you just don't like "queers"?


If you have paid attention to the voting results when this issue has been on ballots across the country, you'd know that it isn't a partisan issue.  Homosexual marriage has been rejected by the majority of voters in pretty much every state it has come up for a vote.  When it came up for a vote in Oregon and activists spent a great deal of time and money pursuing the issue, it was rejected.  We rejected it by about a 70 percent margin in Hawaii and this is basically a one party state (liberal Democrat).  It was a Democrat president who championed the Defense of Marriage Act.  At the present time, the country (including liberals and conservatives) don't want this. 

Regarding the government, my position is the government shouldn't try and legitimatize this lifestyle choice and undermine traditional marriage.  The majority of the country agrees with me, for the time being. 

And "queers" question is just dumb.   Roll Eyes 
35534  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Tennessee Bill Would Require Death Certificates for Aborted Fetuses on: February 15, 2007, 03:02:09 PM
Typical "back-alley" attempt to undermine Roe. Not the first, won't be the last.

Of course. 

Roe is hanging on by a sliver.  I think there are four votes on the Court to overturn it (Scalia, Thomas, Roberts, and Alito).  Stevens and Ginsberg are probably the most likely to go in the next four years, which means abortion will probably be a fairly hot top as election draws nigh.

George Sr. is probably still kicking himself over Souter.   Smiley
35535  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Sports Discussion Boards / Re: Retired NBA star Hardaway says he hates 'gay people' on: February 15, 2007, 02:48:37 PM
Everyone has a right to his there opinion. That said, Tim should have known better then to express his feelings the way he did. Penny did not express his opinion, he admitted hating people for there lifestyle choice, big difference. Admitted he was a homophobe, felt gays had no place in America/the world, etc. America is much to politically correct for those comments to fly. Penny has already apologized, but was obviously to dumb to understand people would be ultra offended with what he said. Replace the word gay with black and you get the idea. The way he put those comments was about the worst thing you could ever do for his post NBA career. The NBA already wants nothing to do with him. The gay population is already circling the wagons, and Penny will lose many endorsement opportunities. He could have put those comment in a different context and been fine. Not very smart. he went on a hate tired, not an opinion that really did not effect him.

It was Tim, not Penny.  Tim Hardaway has always been an imbecile. 
35536  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Limbaugh: Obama Should ‘Renounce’ His Race And Just ‘Become White’ on: February 15, 2007, 02:46:49 PM
You're absolutely right about the "riding at the back of the bus" argument.

However, it looks like some of the gay community actually supports Obama on his position. This piece specifically notes that gays support him because he does exude a vibe of transparency and honesty.

http://www.southernvoice.com/2007/2-2/news/national/index.cfm

This civil unions stuff is just another step towards homosexual marriage.  It's just a matter of time. 

We've done some nutty things with our laws here (e.g., defining "gender identity" to be whatever you want it to be). 
35537  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Limbaugh: Obama Should ‘Renounce’ His Race And Just ‘Become White’ on: February 15, 2007, 12:50:13 PM
But that info is all out there... he has come forward with his position on most of what's on your list, perhaps even all of it.  He's pro death penalty, supports civil unions for same-sex couples but thinks it should be up to the individual states to decide on the marriage issue,  he wants a semi-withdrawal of troops from Iraq starting this year, wants to pursue talks with Iran but thinks war may be a future possibility, etc...  if you look, you'll see he's firm on many issues.  


Thanks.  I haven't looked.  If he becomes a serious candidate (i.e., a threat to Hillary) someone will pull together his stance on all of the issues. 

BTW, someone called me yesterday to discuss the civil unions bill that is AGAIN before our legislature and had some interesting comments.  He said because the bill gives people all of the rights of marriage, it really discourages and undermines marriage, by giving many heterosexuals a disincentive to get married.  I agree. 
35538  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Limbaugh: Obama Should ‘Renounce’ His Race And Just ‘Become White’ on: February 15, 2007, 12:40:49 PM


Eh.  I'd give it a 5.   Smiley
35539  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Limbaugh: Obama Should ‘Renounce’ His Race And Just ‘Become White’ on: February 15, 2007, 12:30:55 PM

Not for another year.  To say it's early is an understatement, yet the media has this thing all but wraped up... "McCain will beat Hillary 51%-49%, with a 0.0000000000923% margin of error.  Next!"   Roll Eyes

Yeah.  There could be a sea change before then.  I recall Bill Clinton doing very poorly in New Hampshire and winning, and Pat Buchannan winning the New Hampshire primary and tanking. 
35540  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Limbaugh: Obama Should ‘Renounce’ His Race And Just ‘Become White’ on: February 15, 2007, 12:29:00 PM
Why do people feel he takes no stance on issues? He seems to be very transparent and dynamic, which i guess attracts people.  He's taken a pro position with regard to strengthening national security and getting the ball rolling on universal health care.  He's been pretty clear on his positions concerning Hamas and the potentiality of war in Iran.  What's wishy-washy about him?

I wouldn't call him wishy-washy, but just an unknown.  For example, I don't know where he stands on these issues:

- His specific plan for the war in Iraq if he becomes Commander in Chief
- Taxes
- Death Penalty
- Crime and Law Enforcement
- Abortion
- Homosexual Marriage
- His plan/ideas for balancing the budget

He has to come down on one side of the fence or the other on these and many other issues.  His inflated popularity will come back down to earth as soon he takes firm positions.  
35541  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Limbaugh: Obama Should ‘Renounce’ His Race And Just ‘Become White’ on: February 15, 2007, 11:05:17 AM
He's a human being. He doesn't owe a statement of allegiance to any of your predefined concepts of "race".

I'd lecture you about addressing his positions instead of his melanin count... but he doesn't seem to have anySmiley

Ding!  Correct.   Smiley
35542  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Limbaugh: Obama Should ‘Renounce’ His Race And Just ‘Become White’ on: February 15, 2007, 11:01:22 AM
.......then why doesn't he say he's white?

Probably because society says he is "black."
35543  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Would you vote for a Mormon for President? on: February 15, 2007, 10:46:42 AM
hahaha...  Yeah, they do very well in the South Pacific for some reason. Lotsa Polys here in town.

They have a BYU campus here too.  You can see the young men in black pants and white shirts riding around all over the place.   Smiley
35544  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Would you vote for a Mormon for President? on: February 15, 2007, 10:45:32 AM
Exactly - it's all about the $.

Their 'prophet' is actually the president and CEO of the corporation of the church.  

You god-fearing christians would be wise to beware of the mormon takeover of your country.  Need more evidence?  Read this short piece:

http://www.ldschurchtemples.com/houston/

For that story to have taken place in the heart of the bible belt...the mormon leadership knows what sort of statement it makes and they're using this story bigtime to help build their case for new and potential converts.


I'm not quite that cynical of these larger church institutions.  I don't think the leadership makes that much money.  I'm more cynical of the solo preachers who make seven figures from their congregations (Robert Tilton et al.).

And on the issue of tithing, you should try it.  It works.   Smiley
35545  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Would you vote for a Mormon for President? on: February 15, 2007, 10:09:33 AM
As a Jew living in Salt Lake City, I perhaps bring a useful perspective to this question...

Say what you like about the Mormons (my personal favorite is: "You do realize this is all bullshit, don't you?"), let no one claim they don't know how to run an organization. If their rapid growth from despised cult to essentially mainstream religion in just 100 years wasn't enough to convince you of that, I can tell you that they brought off the Olympics without a hitch (and you can include the effective bribery it took to bring them to SLC in the first place, if you like) - and that's nothing to sneeze at. So on that basis, I would pick Romney over any of his Protestant counterparts in a heartbeat.

BTW, the LDS Church has officially condemned polygamy for a very long time. We've even had some high-profile prosecutions in the last few years. So that should not be a significantly larger embarrassment for Romney than, say, the Spanish Inquisition would be for Brownback.



The Mormon church has done an outstanding job building their church and business.  Excellent marketing.  Very savvy.  They have "The Polynesian Cultural Center" here that makes a great deal of money. 
35546  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Tennessee Bill Would Require Death Certificates for Aborted Fetuses on: February 15, 2007, 10:07:19 AM
This is why I like BeachBum!!!!! He's able to put all that middle east bull honkey aside for the important issues.

Keep it up sir!

[bowing] Thank you, thank you . . .   Cheesy
35547  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Limbaugh: Obama Should ‘Renounce’ His Race And Just ‘Become White’ on: February 15, 2007, 10:05:33 AM
All Limbaugh is doing, is giving leverage to some color-less (pun intended) politican.

It only adds up to the Obama hype.

The guy don't run a real platform, yet is a fcuking media darling. I hate when shyte like that happens.

-Hedge

It's still a little early.  I'm not sure when the Iowa caucus and New Hampshire primaries are, but he'll have to come up with a platform before then.
35548  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Limbaugh: Obama Should ‘Renounce’ His Race And Just ‘Become White’ on: February 15, 2007, 08:39:06 AM
Beat Mr. I-One to this one.   Cheesy

Limbaugh: Obama Should ‘Renounce’ His Race And Just ‘Become White’

Yesterday on his radio show, right-wing host Rush Limbaugh derided Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) — who is biracial — for saying, “If you look African-American in this society, you’re treated as an African-American.”

Limbaugh claimed that this statement meant Obama didn’t want to be black and should “renounce it”: “If it’s not something you want to be, if you didn’t decide it, renounce it, become white!” He added, “If you don’t like it, you can switch. Well, that’s the way I see it. He’s got 50-50 in there. Say, ‘No, I’m white.’” Listen here:

CLICK HERE TO LISTEN TO LIMBAUGH

The right wing has repeatedly thrown baseless racial slurs at Obama. Earlier in the week, right-wing radio host Glenn Beck said that Obama “is colorless,” and that “as a white guy…[y]ou don’t notice that he is black. So he might as well be white, you know what I mean?”

(HT: Too Sense)

Digg It!

Transcript:

LIMBAUGH: Steve Kroft said, “Your mother was white; your father was African. You were raised in a white household. Yet at some point you decided you were black.”

[OBAMA CLIP]: I’m not sure I decided it. Uh, I think, uh, you know, if you — if you look African-American in this society, you’re treated as an African-American, uh, and, uh, when you’re a child in particular, uh, that is how you begin to identify yourself.

RUSH: So are we to conclude here that he didn’t define himself as black, that the way he looks does? (Sigh.) Okay. We’ve got Obama’s wife in here. We’ve got John Howard from Australia coming up, but, “I’m not sure I decided it”? Well, if you didn’t decide it, then how did it happen?

Well, when you look like that, that’s what you are.

Well, renounce it, then! If it’s not something you want to be, if you didn’t decide it, renounce it, become white!

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: Okay, back to our Barack Obama Audio Sound Bite Marathon. What are we up to now? Let’s see. Oh, yeah. Obama just said he wasn’t sure that he decided he was black, that if you look African-American in this society, you’re treated as an African-American, and when you’re a child in particular that’s how you begin to identify yourself. If you don’t like it, you can switch. Well, that’s the way I see it. He’s got 50-50 in there. Say, “No, I’m white.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/14/limbaugh-obama-white/
35549  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Tennessee Bill Would Require Death Certificates for Aborted Fetuses on: February 15, 2007, 08:37:36 AM
Tennessee Bill Would Require Death Certificates for Aborted FetusesThursday, February 15, 2007

NASHVILLE, Tenn. —  Legislation introduced in Tennessee would require death certificates for aborted fetuses, which likely would create public records identifying women who have abortions.

Rep. Stacey Campfield, a Republican, said his bill would provide a way to track how many abortions are performed. He predicted it would pass in the Republican-controlled Senate but would have a hard time making it through the Democratic House.

"All these people who say they are pro-life — at least we would see how many lives are being ended out there by abortions," said Campfield.

The number of abortions reported to the state Office of Vital Records is already publicly available. The office collects records, but not death certificates, on abortions and the deaths of fetuses after 22 weeks gestation or weighing about 1 pound.

The identities of the women who have abortions are not included in those records, but death certificates include identifying information such as Social Security numbers.

Campfield's bill, introduced Monday, would give abortion providers 10 days following an "induced termination of a pregnancy" to file a death certificate.

House Judiciary Chairman Rob Briley, a Democrat, called Campfield's proposal "the most preposterous bill I've seen" in an eight-year legislative career.

"It is totally inconsistent with everything the law contemplates as it relates to anything close to that subject," he said.

The anti-abortion group Tennessee Right to Life has not yet taken a position on the death certificate bill, said spokeswoman Myra Simons. But she said the organization applauds the sponsors' efforts to "draw attention to the way abortion is handled in Tennessee."

Keri Adams, vice president of Planned Parenthood in Tennessee, on Wednesday called the proposal an attempt to terrorize frightened and vulnerable women who are seeking abortion.

"We certainly hope the Tennessee Legislature doesn't invest too much energy in this bill," she said. "We think it's clearly a violation of privacy, and potentially illegal concerning HIPAA regulations."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,252113,00.html
35550  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: U.S. to allow 7,000 Iraqi refugees on: February 15, 2007, 08:36:06 AM
Well, we did f**k up their country... so I see that point, but I dunno... how many possible terrorists are we now just letting into the country?

I guess you can't judge them all based on the actions of a few, so I'd probably have to say yes, but it would be with "reservation".

[GASP]   Smiley
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