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51  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Gov Susana Martinez: It's time to "play ball" on Amnesty on: April 17, 2014, 05:05:42 PM
I hope she runs.
52  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Legalized Marijuana and the Crime Question on: April 17, 2014, 02:26:08 PM
I already explained that smoking a joint in a day is like being drunk all day

Are you saying being high impairs someone in the same way as being drunk?
53  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Sports Discussion Boards / Re: All things LA Lakers on: April 17, 2014, 02:24:20 PM
I don't hate Kobe....I agree with you...he is a throwback to the old days....his will to win is second to none. But first the achilles injury then the knee injury back to back....As an athlete your mind tells you one thing but the body doesn't exactly cooperate once you hit a certain age.

I just don't think you'll see top flight free agents clamoring to come play with Kobe at this stage of his career. Pau should've been traded a long time ago and now a good return in trade value for him has expired, I think. I think the only reason Pau hasn't been traded yet is that Kobe has such a hard-on for him.

I agree the odds are against Kobe.  But if there is any athlete who can do it, it's him. 

It isn't just about coming to play with Kobe.  It's about what the franchise will do for the next 5 to 10 years, which is based in part on the franchise's history.  That's what will attract FAs to LA.  And that's partly why Howard's decision was so stupid.   

Pau was traded.  I think they did try and move him again, but Kupchak wasn't going to just give him away.  That was the right thing to do. 
54  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Legalized Marijuana and the Crime Question on: April 17, 2014, 02:04:03 PM

I can have an opinion but in matters of fact I cannot. We haven't even defined healthy, you are using a common fucking argumentative tactic of attacking semantics, side arguments and irrelevant point.

Good thing your opinion doesn't matter because you get your science from a newspaper. It has many healthy properties, I just fucking outlined them read what I actually posted. I don't know why I get into with you, you are a nitwit that misconstrues everything.

It's not black and white, sorry if you want it to be that simple, if you can't understand nuance then I don't know what to tell you. The substance can both be healthy are harmful depending on many variables. Alcohol is fine in the healthy but don't drink if you have hepatitis.

You didn't even make a fucking argument, you simply copy and pasted a shitty article thinking it trumps the newer research I just posted.

Your questions are also retarded, you ask me if I think it's fine and rebut me with use in children. You haven't addressed one point, just twist everything, you said it was fine, but I found this study in schizophrenics that shows it's not. That is the depth of your argument, your knowledge on the subject.

You haven't touched one study I posted that contradicts yours, proves my point. Nor have you countered my contentions about your paper.

J Addict Res Ther. 2013 Apr 24;Suppl 4. pii: 010.

A Review of Magnetic Resonance Spectroscopy Studies in Marijuana using Adolescents and Adults.

Sneider JT1, Mashhoon Y2, Silveri MM1.

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Marijuana (MJ) remains the most widely used illicit drug of abuse, and accordingly, is associated with adverse effects on mental and physical health, and neurocognitive decline. Studies investigating the neurobiology of underlying MJ effects have demonstrated structural and functional alterations in brain areas that contain moderate to high concentrations of cannabinoid (CB1) receptors and that are implicated in MJ-related cognitive decrements. Proton magnetic resonance spectroscopy (1H MRS), a non-invasive imaging technique used to assess neurochemistry, has been widely applied to probe a variety of substance-abusing populations. To date, however, there is a relative paucity of MRS published studies characterizing changes in neurometabolite concentrations in MJ users. Thus, the current review provides a summary of data from the eight existing MRS studies of MJ use in adolescents and adults, as well as interpretations and implications of study findings. Future MRS studies that address additional factors such as sex differences, onset and duration of use, abstinence and age, are warranted, and would lead to a more thorough characterization of potential neurochemical correlates of chronic MJ use, which would fill critical gaps in the existing literature.

Here this paper is none sensationalized, are we done here yet or have I raped you hard enough? Would you like the full paper? it goes through all the imaging studies (your study is one).

So to recap, you have been talking out of both sides of your mouth in this thread.  Including the following:


It is literally a wonder drug, you have all been lied too. I would know,I have literally read every paper related to health on the subject, there are literally no side effects when done appropriately and the addiction is on par with coffee as is the intoxication.

It is the number one medicinal substance in the world, no other compound has all of these benefits and robustly so.


Long term, there are no consequences if you start in adult hood

So based on the research my personal and professional opinion on MJ use is that it can be of utility for a variety of illnesses and can be detrimental to some (like any drug). It's side effects and public health risks are moot in terms of legalization, if alcohol is legal no argument can be made for a less harmful substance with clear medicinal effects.

Kids shouldn't use it, except as a medicine in which there is clear efficacy.

I am all over the place because it's a complex topic in which I cannot make blanket statements. I think it's healthy, I think high doses of THC have robust health consequences.

So you've said:  It's a wonder drug, it is healthy, it literally has no side effects when used "appropriately," high doses are healthy, kids should not use, those with developing brains shouldn't use.  But it "can be detrimental."  

This is comical.  lol  

I think I'll stick with Ablow's opinion over yours. 
55  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Sports Discussion Boards / Re: All things LA Lakers on: April 17, 2014, 01:42:47 PM
I don't doubt Kobe's determination. But I think he's shot. Missing this amount of time due to injuries at his age....I think he's nearly done.

And it's not as if Howard would have stayed if Jackson was the coach last year. Howard is a head case prima donna and simply did like playing with Kobe. He was gone no matter what.

This is going to be a painful rebuilding process with Kobe in the final stages of his career. It's not going to be pretty. They've had their time in the sun. And now it's over and it will be for years, sorry to say. Just my .02. It's not like Lebron or Carmelo are coming to L.A. Sure, the draft will be talented but there's no guarantee that they land a marquee talent to build around while Kobe is still relevant.

The Lakers will be reminicent of the Wizards of 2002-2003 with an ageing Michael Jordan and a crappy supporting cast.

I don't know what will happen with Kobe, but he has been cleared to resume full-time workouts.  He's going to have six months to prep.  If anyone can come back, it's him.  And I don't know why you have hate for someone who just wants to win.  He reminds of me of the old days of the NBA, where players came to play every night.   

I think Howard would have stayed if Phil was the coach.  Phil is a master.  The fact he won three rings with Shaq and Kobe and their personalities/drama is pretty incredible. 

I don't think the rebuilding process will be that painful.  LA is still one of the top franchises in the NBA.  They will not have trouble attacking free agents.  And LA will have at least a top six lottery pick this year.   Cry  I have no idea who is coming, but if you look at Kupchak's history, I think he's going to do fine.   

Remember Kupchak convinced Malone and Payton to basically play for free and they came within three games of a championship, even with Kobe's rape trial drama. 

Kupchak also traded for Howard, and even though Howard left, it was a good trade because Bynum subsequently left the reservation. 

Kupchak also traded for Pau, a year after the Lakers were one of the worst teams in the NBA.

Kupchak traded for Ariza who helped win a championship.  He then signed Artest/World Peace, who helped win a championship.

Kupchak traded for Chris Paul, before Stern stepped in and vetoed.  I hope Stern has chronic diarrhea in his retirement.   Angry

You really doubt what Kupchak can do?  I have no idea what he has planned, but if history is a guide, it will be good.
56  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Legalized Marijuana and the Crime Question on: April 17, 2014, 01:26:36 PM
I am all over the place because it's a complex topic in which I cannot make blanket statements. I think it's healthy, I think high doses of THC have robust health consequences. I am trying to be honest and explain the nuance to you. The thing is the body and brain have an endocannabinoid system, which is located in the limbic (amygdala) an cortex. Now the amydala is a key center for fear and emontionality. Low and high  doses of THC have paradoxical effects, low increases serotonin, high decreases. It also exerts it's effects via modulation.

I didn't dismiss the findings, the found what they found, I disagree with the conclusion. Also, why are we discussing this? you aren't even educated on this? I mean they are describing neuroadaptation, WHOAA

"["Neuroadaptation" in long-term cannabis abuse. A clinical and electroencephalographic case study].

[Article in German]

Winterer G1, Schmidt LG, Frick K, Ulrich G.

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This report is about electroencephalographic changes in a twenty-eight year old patient with longterm heavy cannabis use. He was admitted to our hospital after he had developed a depressive-apathetic syndrome. Two days after the last cannabis-intake, the patient had recovered from initial psychopathology and his EEG was completely inconspicuous at this day. Some days later however the patient's behavior became increasingly impulsive and unstable, while his EEG showed a marked disturbed regulation of vigilance. In the following weeks his impulsiveness became less and his EEG returned to normal. We suggest that these alterations may reflect a discontinuation of the initial neuroadaption of the central nervous system to the drug.

there were changes induced by the drug and they caused withdrawal and return.

Also, the above is research, yours is an article, you may prefer someone explain this stuff to you but I prefer reading it for myself as I can understand it just fine.

This paper highlights the negatives of MJ, it's a review of the literature. Have a read.

There is also the complete difference in motor functioning, cognitive tasks etc when acute versus chronic .

So they found "chronic MJ uses induces neuroadaptation, but we can't say anything other then there was a change". That's all they found, the area is well known.

"Neuropharmacology. 2014 Apr 5. pii: S0028-3908(14)00109-9. doi: 10.1016/j.neuropharm.2014.03.014. [Epub ahead of print]

Prior stimulation of the endocannabinoid system prevents methamphetamine-induced dopaminergic neurotoxicity in the striatum through activation of CB2 receptors.

Nader J1, Rapino C2, Gennequin B1, Chavant F3, Francheteau M1, Makryiannis A4, Duranti A5, Maccarrone M6, Solinas M1, Thiriet N7.

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Methamphetamine toxicity is associated with cell death and loss of dopamine neuron terminals in the striatum similar to what is found in some neurodegenerative diseases. Conversely, the endocannabinoid system (ECS) has been suggested to be neuroprotective in the brain, and new pharmacological tools have been developed to increase their endogenous tone. In this study, we evaluated whether ECS stimulation could reduce the neurotoxicity of high doses of methamphetamine on the dopamine system. We found that methamphetamine alters the levels of the major endocannabinoids, anandamide (AEA) and 2-arachidonoyl glycerol (2-AG) in the striatum, suggesting that the ECS participates in the brain responses to methamphetamine. Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), a cannabis-derived agonist of both CB1 and CB2 cannabinoid receptors, or inhibitors of the main enzymes responsible for the degradation of AEA and 2-AG (URB597 and JZL184, respectively), blunted the decrease in striatal protein levels of tyrosine hydroxylase induced by methamphetamine. In addition, antagonists of CB2, but not of CB1, blocked the preventive effects of URB597 and JZL184, suggesting that only the former receptor subtype is engaged in neuroprotection exerted by ECS stimulation. Finally, we found that methamphetamine increases striatal levels of the cytokine tumor necrosis factor alpha, an effect that was blocked by ECS stimulation. Altogether, our results indicate that stimulation of ECS prior to the administration of an overdose of methamphetamine considerably reduces the neurotoxicity of the drug through CB2 receptor activation and highlight a protective function for the ECS against the toxicity induced by drugs and other external insults to the brain. This article is part of a Special Issue entitled 'CNS Stimulants'.

Oh my god it's protects da brain? it dun stop da neurotoxicity, but they said it changes the brain.

Mini Rev Med Chem. 2009 Apr;9(4):448-62.

Endocannabinoid system: emerging role from neurodevelopment to neurodegeneration.

Basavarajappa BS1, Nixon RA, Arancio O.

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The endocannabinoid system, including endogenous ligands ('endocannabinoids' ECs), their receptors, synthesizing and degrading enzymes, as well as transporter molecules, has been detected from the earliest stages of embryonic development and throughout pre- and postnatal development. ECs are bioactive lipids, which comprise amides, esters and ethers of long chain polyunsaturated fatty acids. Anandamide (N-arachidonoylethanolamine; AEA) and 2-arachidonoylglycerol (2-AG) are the best studied ECs, and act as agonists of cannabinoid receptors. Thus, AEA and 2-AG mimic several pharmacological effects of the exogenous cannabinoid delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol (Delta(9)-THC), the psychoactive principle of cannabis sativa preparations like hashish and marijuana. Recently, however, several lines of evidence have suggested that the EC system may play an important role in early neuronal development as well as a widespread role in neurodegeneration disorders. Many of the effects of cannabinoids and ECs are mediated by two G protein-coupled receptors (GPCRs), CB1 and CB2, although additional receptors may be implicated. Both CB1 and CB2 couple primarily to inhibitory G proteins and are subject to the same pharmacological influences as other GPCRs. This new system is briefly presented in this review, in order to put in a better perspective the role of the EC pathway from neurodevelopment to neurodegenerative disorders, like Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease, Huntington's disease, and multiple sclerosis. In addition, the potential exploitation of antagonists of CB1 receptors, or of inhibitors of EC metabolism, as next-generation therapeutics is discussed.

Its role in nervous system development is quite complex, I suggest you learn about g coupled proteins first.

This study had different results.

Neuropsychopharmacology. 2014 Mar 17. doi: 10.1038/npp.2014.67. [Epub ahead of print]

Long-Term Effects of Cannabis on Brain Structure.

Battistella G1, Fornari E2, Annoni JM3, Chtioui H4, Dao K4, Fabritius M5, Favrat B6, Mall JF7, Maeder P1, Giroud C5.

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The dose-dependent toxicity of the main psychoactive component of cannabis in brain regions rich in cannabinoid CB1 receptors is well known in animal studies. However, research in humans does not show common findings across studies regarding the brain regions that are affected after long-term exposure to cannabis. In the present study, we investigate (using Voxel-based Morphometry) gray matter changes in a group of regular cannabis smokers in comparison with a group of occasional smokers matched by the years of cannabis use. We provide evidence that regular cannabis use is associated with gray matter volume reduction in the medial temporal cortex, temporal pole, parahippocampal gyrus, insula, and orbitofrontal cortex; these regions are rich in cannabinoid CB1 receptors and functionally associated with motivational, emotional, and affective processing. Furthermore, these changes correlate with the frequency of cannabis use in the 3 months before inclusion in the study. The age of onset of drug use also influences the magnitude of these changes. Significant gray matter volume reduction could result either from heavy consumption unrelated to the age of onset or instead from recreational cannabis use initiated at an adolescent age. In contrast, the larger gray matter volume detected in the cerebellum of regular smokers without any correlation with the monthly consumption of cannabis may be related to developmental (ontogenic) processes that occur in adolescence.Neuropsychop harmacology advance online publication, 16 April 2014; doi:10.1038/npp.2014.67.

Again no permenant conseqeunces.

So you say you "cannot make blanket statements" and in the next sentence say "I think it's healthy . . . ."  lol  Seriously?  The reason you're all over the place is because you keep making unqualified (i.e., blanket) statements.

What's pretty clear to me based on what I've read, seen, and heard is we cannot call marijuana use "healthy," harmless, etc.  Whether it should be legal is a separate question, but calling it harmless, or even "healthy" sounds pretty naive. 
57  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Legalized Marijuana and the Crime Question on: April 17, 2014, 01:10:02 PM
6 joints a week is excessive.

A better way to gauge use would be to record how many times a day does a person get high. 

Getting high once a day can be compared to a 2-4 beers in an hour.

Six was only the median, so some smoked less and some smoked more. 

Why do you think a joint a day is excessive? 
58  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Sports Discussion Boards / Re: All things LA Lakers on: April 17, 2014, 12:52:46 PM
You really think he's the problem? Blame it on the GM, a past his prime self-centered ball hog and the shitty personnel. D'Antoni is an up tempo coach with an oft-injured PG he wishes was 8 years younger from his Phoenix days.

Yes.  They should have hired Phil.  Huge mistake.  I don't blame him for the injuries, but he did a lousy job even without the injuries. 

I don't fault Mitch Kupchak for much of anything.  I think Jim Buss was the reason they hired D'Antoni over Phil.  Kupchak has done a phenomenal job.  I think trading Blake was a mistake, but I'm a believer in him as a GM.  And he has the championships to prove it. 

If by "past his prime self-centered ball hog" you mean the five-time champion Kobe, that isn't factual at all.  Kobe had one of the best years of his career in 2012 and he missed the entire 2013-14 season, so no, he's not to blame in any way for the reason the Lakers suck.  He's the reason they made the playoffs last year. 

The personnel, when healthy, was actually not bad.  Not a contender, but not a lottery team either. 
59  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Legalized Marijuana and the Crime Question on: April 17, 2014, 12:41:46 PM
6 Joints a week is excessive not occasional.  

If you smoke 6 joints a week you are a pot head.

Basically, you can get high on 1-3 hits.  Joints prolly give you 10-30 hits.  This would mean you got "high" 60 to 150 times if you smoked 6 joints a week.  or 9 -25 times a day. lol.

that's like being drunk all day.

That's a joint a day.  I have no idea if that is excessive or "occasional," but six joints a week was the median for those who smoked. 
60  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Legalized Marijuana and the Crime Question on: April 17, 2014, 12:23:29 PM

I read the study, this isn't the study this is an article, the power of the study is shit, the methods shit. They found alterations in chronic users ie six joints a week. that's not occasional. the other group was occasional. They found what Beach Bum? what concerns you here? do you even know what the nucleus accumbens does? why would forming new connections be bad? they infer they are, um nope, MJ increases growth factors namely BDNF, hence increased connectivity. They also didn't study or indicate if the changes had any negative effects.

Guess what receptors are in the limbic system (read above I have been through this), CB receptors, if you study any drug in this fashion (and they have) they alter brain function. THC is also lipophilic so 6 joints a week would saturate you for a while, hence chronic use.

This study doesn't control confounding variables, and all it has indicated is that brain alterations occur with usage, probably in line with the clinical effects, bad and good.

Nothing concerns me here.  I'm just trying to understand your position.  You're sort of all over the place.  You previously said occasional, responsible use has no adverse effects.  When I posted this study, you then said any use by a developing brain is problematic (and the brain develops into young adulthood).  Now you're saying six joints a week is not "occasional" (which misstates what the study actually says) so you dismiss the findings of this study.

Here is what it actually says about the frequency of use:

"Half of the group said they used marijuana at least once a week, and the other 20 had not used the drug in the past year, and reported using it less than five times in their life.

Among the group that did smoke, the median use was about six joints per week."
61  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Random Political Pictures on: April 17, 2014, 12:15:44 PM
62  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Alleged leaker Bradley Manning: hero to Berkeley? on: April 17, 2014, 11:41:40 AM

Manning sentence approved by Washington military district commander
Case of convicted WikiLeaker now automatically appealed
April 14, 2014|By Matthew Hay Brown, The Baltimore Sun

WASHINGTON — — The commander of the Army Military District of Washington has approved the findings of the court-martial last year of WikiLeaker Chelsea Manning.

Manning, who served as an intelligence analyst for the Army in Baghdad in 2009 and 2010 as Pfc. Bradley Manning, was accused of giving hundreds of thousands of classified documents to the anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks. She was tried last year at Fort Meade, found guilty of 20 offenses and sentenced to 35 years in a military prison.

Maj. Gen. Jeffrey S. Buchanan approved the findings and the sentence last week, officials said Monday. The case will now be appealed automatically to the Army Court of Criminal Appeals.

Manning, who lived with an aunt in Potomac and studied at Montgomery College before enlisting in 2007, has filed requests for a pardon from President Barack Obama and clemency from Army Secretary John M. McHugh. Her former attorney says he has been advised that neither a pardon nor clemency will be considered until the appeals process is complete.

Manning acknowledged leaking diplomatic cables, war logs from Afghanistan and Iraq and gunsight video of a 2007 U.S. helicopter attack that killed civilians in Baghdad in the hope of provoking debate on U.S. foreign policy.

Critics say she is a traitor whose leaks risked American lives. Supporters say the information deserved a public airing and endangered no one.

Col. Denise Lind, the military judge who heard the case against Manning last year, found her guilty of wrongful possession and transmission of national defense information, theft of government information, unauthorized access to a government computer and wrongful possession and transmission of protected government information, violation of lawful regulations related to his computer use and storage of classified information and wrongful publication of U.S. intelligence information.

Lind sentenced Manning to 35 years of confinement, reduction to the rank of private, dishonorable discharge and forfeiture of all pay and allowances.

Buchanan, as the convening authority in Manning's court-martial, had the authority to disapprove any or all of the findings and to disapprove or modify any or all of the sentence. He did not have the authority to impose additional punishment or change a finding of not guilty to guilty.

Manning is being held at the U.S. Disciplinary Barracks at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. Attorney David Coombs, who represented her through the court-martial, said in October that Manning was being held in the general population, where she is able to receive visitors, telephone calls and correspondence.
63  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Great Americans on: April 17, 2014, 11:38:55 AM
Medal of Honor recipient returns to active duty; hero of 2009 ambush rejoins Army
By Douglas Ernst -The Washington Times Thursday, April 10, 2014

William Swenson

Only months after receiving the nation’s highest award for valor, Capt. William Swenson has left the civilian world and returned to active duty.

Capt. Swenson, who left the service in 2011, will be assigned to I Corps at Joint Base Lewis-McChord, Wash., The Army Times reported.

On Oct. 15, 2013, Capt. Swenson was awarded the Medal of Honor at a White House ceremony for his bravery during a 2009 ambush in Afghanistan’s Kunar province.

With little air support, the soldier repeatedly braved enemy fire to retrieve the bodies of those killed in action. His actions on Sept. 8, 2009 helped save lives on a day when five Americans, nine Afghan troops and an interpreter perished.

“Today, I stand with the Medal of Honor,” he said during his award ceremony, The Army Times reported. “But this award was earned with a team. A team of our finest: Marines, Army, Air Force, Navy and our Afghan partners, standing side by side. And now, that team includes Gold Star families who lost their fathers, sons and husbands that day. This medal represents them. It represents us.”
64  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee on: April 17, 2014, 11:34:04 AM
Hillarious that neither that panel of lib 'political analysts' nor HILLARY HERSELF could even come up with any answers.

I mean that just speaks volumes, doesnt it?

Of course none of it even matters at all. Hillary could strangle a puppy to death on the white house lawn and the media would just admire how 'humane' she was at killing it..and her ratings and her fanbase would be unchanged.

lol.  True. 
65  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Tennessee atheists win right to distribute literature after schools give Bibles on: April 17, 2014, 11:33:08 AM
Irrational atheists. 

Group files complaint against Tigers
Updated: April 17, 2014
By Andrea Adelson |

The Freedom From Religion Foundation has lodged a letter of complaint to Clemson, charging coach Dabo Swinney and his staff with "unconstitutional behavior" at the public university.

Among the concerns outlined in the complaint by the FFRF, based on information obtained from an open records request:

• Swinney personally invited James Trapp to become team chaplain -- in violation of the Constitution and university guidelines on hiring chaplains -- and gave Trapp access to the entire team for Bible studies.

• Swinney schedules team devotionals.

• Swinney has organized transportation for coaches and players to "Church Days."

University spokeswoman Cathy Sams issued a statement saying the school would evaluate the complaints raised but believes Swinney and his staff are not violating the separation of church and state guaranteed in the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

"Participation in religious activities is purely voluntary, and there are no repercussions for students who decline to do so," the statement read. "We are not aware of any complaints from current or former student-athletes about feeling pressured or forced to participate in religious activities."

Swinney is not being made available to comment, but he has been outspoken in his religious views. In December, The Chronicle of Higher Education reported that Swinney tells recruits on visits, "I'm a Christian. If you have a problem with that, you don't have to be here."

In the same report, former safety Rashard Hall told the publication, "If you're there, you're going to know Jesus, you're going to know verses in the Bible -- it's weaved in the culture. There's a drawing-in towards Christianity."

Two years ago, then-Tigers receiver DeAndre Hopkins asked permission to be baptized in front of coaches and teammates in a cold tub after practice. The story went viral after assistant coach Jeff Scott tweeted a photo of Hopkins sitting in the tub.

The Freedom From Religion Foundation, a state/church watchdog based in Madison, Wis., wants the school to direct Swinney and Trapp to immediately stop team prayers, sermons, Bible studies and "church days" for players, train staff about their First Amendment obligations, and monitor compliance.
66  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Sports Discussion Boards / Re: All things LA Lakers on: April 17, 2014, 11:20:18 AM
Is D'Antoni fired yet??
67  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee on: April 17, 2014, 11:14:51 AM
Video || Epic Diss! Obama Won’t Endorse Biden as Biden Looks On
by KEITH KOFFLER on APRIL 17, 2014

This is absurd. The man says, right in front of Biden, that he can’t support him.

Take a look at this. It’s completely ungracious. Now, don’t get me wrong, the Joe Biden who sneered and laughed his way through his debate with Paul Ryan, who suggested Republicans are so racist they want to re-enslave African Americans, deserves nobody’s graciousness.

But from President Obama’s perspective, Vice President Biden is the man who has been with him every day, been in on almost every meeting and decision, and been loyal and docile toward him as a chocolate labrador. Sure, he makes mistakes, but that’s not his fault. He was born a nincompoop.

To actually say, with Biden standing there, that “we’ve got an extraordinary secretary of state” who might also run suggests previously unknown degrees of coldness of blood.

From an interview by CBS White House correspondent Major Garrett:

I’ve got somebody who I think will go down as one of the finest vice presidents in history, and he has been . . .  a great partner in everything that I do. I suspect that there may be other potential candidates for 2016 who have been great friends and allies. I know that we’ve got an extraordinary secretary of state who did great service for us and worked with me and Joe to help make the country safer.

Whoever the Democratic standard bearer is, is going to be continuing to focus on jobs, making sure that our kids are getting a great education, making sure that we’re rebuilding prosperity from the middle class out in this country – and I am very much interested in making sure that some of the stuff we’ve gotten started continues.

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68  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Another Bush in the White House? on: April 17, 2014, 11:13:17 AM
Jeb Bush’s wife, family issues key to 2016
By KATIE GLUECK | 4/16/14

If Jeb Bush decides to run for president, he’ll have to defend his family’s controversial political name.

But more immediate family concerns might keep him from running at all.

Republican donors and operatives are chattering about Bush’s publicity-shy wife, so worried she isn’t on board with a 2016 White House run that they’re urging people in the family’s orbit to make the case.

Columba Bush has long been deeply averse to the spotlight, especially after an embarrassing encounter with U.S. Customs while her husband was still in office.

Donors also wonder whether Bush is willing to subject his family and their personal lives to the inevitable scrutiny that comes with a national campaign. Two of his children have been in the news in past years for arrests linked to drug problems and public intoxication.

So while the buzz picks up around Bush, the donor class’s new questions about old issues are a sign of not only the dynamics of a potential Bush campaign, but of how seriously a key establishment group is taking the idea of a Bush bid.

“The issues have been brought up by the press and others in the past, and the family issues may well be brought out again,” said Al Cardenas, the chairman of the American Conservative Union, who headed the Florida GOP while Bush was governor. “If these matters are brought up, it would hurt him, not politically but personally. He has to make up his mind whether that’s a burden he wants to bear.”

A top Republican bundler with ties to the Bushes described the rising concern among those lobbying Jeb Bush to enter the race that his wife’s opposition will keep him from running.

“One of the things on the list of why he won’t run has always been the belief that she is opposed to it,” the bundler said. “As you’re moving closer to when people have to make decisions and Jeb is doing some of the things he has been doing, there has been more chatter around it, if for no other reason than there is a huge number of Bush Rangers, Pioneers — whatever the hell we were called along the way — who remain effectively frozen waiting on Jeb to make up his mind.”

People in the Bushes’ inner circle are being lobbied to make the case directly to Jeb Bush’s immediate family, the bundler added.

The former governor’s concerns about his family’s privacy are thought to have played a role in his decision to skip the 2012 presidential race. One Republican donor recalled that the chatter back then among GOP rainmakers was that Bush would ultimately skip a run because his wife didn’t relish the idea.

“They thought he wouldn’t do it because of Columba…[that] has not changed,” the source said.

Bush, the son of one president and the brother of another, would be a favorite with the GOP establishment, though he faces steeper odds among grassroots activists who detest his moderate views on immigration. He has said that he will likely make a decision on whether to run for president by the end of this year, and that he will pursue it only if his family signs off and if he can run “joyfully.”

Comparisons are often drawn between Bush and former Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels. The latter was popular with Republican elites in 2012, but ultimately chose not to run for president, citing the “interests and wishes of my family” amid a complicated situation with his wife and children.

Bush’s spokeswoman did not offer comment for this story. But just last week, Bush spoke movingly of his 40-year-marriage and his relationship with his wife, whom he first met while on an exchange program in Mexico, her native country.

“I saw her face, and I fell in love. I can’t explain it, but that’s the way it is,” the 61-year-old said at a Connecticut GOP dinner last week. “You’re going to have to trust me on this one. And for 40 years we’ve been married and it’s (been an) incredible joy. She doesn’t get much attention in the political world because she’s pretty normal, actually…”

He added,“Forty years of marriage for me is a big darn deal, and I love her very much.”

Ann Herberger, who has served as a Bush family fundraiser and remains close with the former governor and his family, said Jeb Bush would no doubt make sure his immediate family is on-board with a run, while also talking to his parents and other close relatives.

“Gov. Bush, he has a tough spine,” Herberger said. “Really the first hurdle he’s got to get over is, he’s got a very good life now back in Florida, Mrs. Bush is loving being back in South Florida. Can he do this joyfully?”
69  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates on: April 17, 2014, 11:12:02 AM
Paul, Rubio Lead Potential Republican 2016 Contenders in Spending
Wednesday, 16 Apr 2014

Groups supporting Senators Rand Paul and Marco Rubio lead the pack of potential Republican presidential candidates in spending money and investing in possible campaigns this year, more than 20 months before the first votes are cast in 2016.
No politician has yet declared his or her candidacy, but first-quarter fundraising numbers submitted to the Federal Election Commission and released this week show backers of Rubio and Paul spent several hundred thousand dollars to help both senators in the first three months of 2014.

Kentucky Senator Paul's RANDPAC group spent over $580,000 in the first quarter, much of it on fundraising, consulting, and travel expenses as the first-term lawmaker crisscrossed the country spreading his libertarian message and courting groups that do not traditionally support Republicans.

Paul has built a national infrastructure largely on the back of his father Ron Paul's network from previous presidential campaigns.

Rubio, a Florida senator who has fallen out of favor with many in the party's right wing over his support of immigration reform, has been one of the most active contenders since 2013.

The freshman's Reclaim America PAC raised over $530,000 in the first three months of 2014, and spent over $375,000. Much of that money went to consultants and data analytics teams that could help Rubio if he chose to run for president.

Other possible candidates have been meeting with donors and operatives to set up potential campaigns, but have not been as publicly active as Rubio and Paul. Former Florida Governor Jeb Bush has no similar political committees, for example, while groups associated with Texas Senator Ted Cruz have not raised or spent as much.

Embattled New Jersey Governor Chris Christie demonstrated his own fundraising acumen by leading his Republican Governors Association to a $23.5 million first quarter but he has no federal groups raising money for a possible presidential run.

On the Democratic side, a network of independent organizations has been laying the groundwork for a campaign by former U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. The first quarter saw increased activity by Priorities USA Action, the primary fundraiser for President Barack Obama in 2012, which now stands behind Clinton.

The group, which is led by Obama's 2012 campaign manager Jim Messina and is expected to be the Clinton campaign's main money vehicle, spent over $535,000 in the first quarter despite not actively fundraising.

It had earlier come under fire for not doing enough to support Democrats in 2014 elections, and it sent $250,000 to the primary PAC supporting congressional Democrats - House Majority PAC - in February.

Last week Ready For Hillary, a super-PAC urging the former first lady and senator to run by building up grass-roots support, announced it had raised more than $1.7 million in the first quarter. That brought its fundraising haul to over $5.75 million since launching in 2013 - despite a self-imposed cap of $25,000 per donation.

Clinton holds a considerable lead over other potential Democratic presidential contenders in preliminary polling. (Editing by Jonathan Oatis)
70  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ex-Homeland Chief Napolitano: No Mercy for Edward Snowden on: April 17, 2014, 11:10:41 AM
That traitor isn't in prison yet??

Snowden Makes Stunning Appearance On Putin TV Interview In Apparent PR Stunt
APR. 17, 2014

Former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden made a surprise appearance on Thursday at Russian President Vladimir Putin's annual televised call-in with the nation.

Snowden's appearance gave Putin the opportunity to defend Russian surveillance, implicitly gaining Snowden's approval. Considering the tightly controlled circumstances of the rogue agent's asylum in Russia, the appearance has been widely seen as a PR stunt.

David Herszenhorn, a Moscow-based reporter for The New York Times, called it a "stunning in-your-face move" by the Kremlin.

Snowden asked Putin: "Does Russia store, intercept, or analyze, in any way, the communications of millions of individuals, and do you believe that simply increasing the effectiveness of intelligence or law enforcement investigations can justify a place in societies rather than subjects under surveillance?"

Putin said he would answer by talking as one professional spy to another, noting his past as a KGB agent and Snowden's past in the NSA before he leaked thousands of documents exposing U.S. surveillance programs.

"Our intelligence efforts are strictly regulated by our law ... " Putin said, according to a translation by Russia Today. "You have to get a court permission to stalk a particular person. We don't have a mass system of such interception. And according to our law, it cannot exist.

"Of course, we know that criminals and terrorists use technology for their criminal acts, and special services have to use technical means to respond to their crimes. Of course, we do some efforts like that. But we do not have a mass scale, uncontrollable effort like that. I hope we won't do that."

Putin added that Russia doesn't have the monetary or technical capabilities of U.S. programs.

Snowden's public appearance in Russia will likely add fuel to some U.S. lawmakers' claims that he has more extensive ties with Russia's government than he would like to admit. Mike Rogers, the Republican chair of the House Intelligence Committee, said last month that Snowden was "supporting, in an odd way," the Russian expansion into Crimea.
71  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Legalized Marijuana and the Crime Question on: April 17, 2014, 11:03:40 AM
Sorry for the tard post, the point is what type of consumption? chronic? acute? oral, inhalation. I think there is little consequence to an adult using it occasionally like alcohol.

There simply isn't enough information nor can we control for all the nuisance variables in this case. Any drug that has an endogenous receptor that is so intimately tied to brain development could have an impact.

I would argue it's problematic in healthy kids. Does that clarify? then based on the disorder, intractable seizures respond to CBD then no I don't think it's problematic.

The US has a patent on medical marijuana for NEUROPROTECTION. The study is inconclusive and has too many confounders. Chronic and responsible use has different effects as well.

Do you know the effects of drugs on the developing brain? ssri? benzos? far greater impact.

You said you read the study?  This is from the first sentence of the article:

"Young adults who occasionally smoke marijuana show abnormalities in two key areas of their brain related to emotion, motivation, and decision making, raising concerns that they could be damaging their developing minds at a critical time, according to a new study by Boston researchers."
72  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Gov Susana Martinez: It's time to "play ball" on Amnesty on: April 17, 2014, 11:01:59 AM
Republicans for amnesty.  Shocking. 

Will be interesting to see if she runs.
73  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Bloomberg to donate $50 million to gun control candidates/efforts on: April 17, 2014, 11:00:53 AM
Says the person devoted to following a fairy tale of zombies, invisible men and talking snakes.   Roll Eyes

It's not nice to talk about President Obama like that. 
74  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: WSJ Columnist: Nominate Rand Paul Because GOP Needs 'Another Humbling Landslide on: April 16, 2014, 07:27:44 PM
Not sure what I think about his chances.  He is apparently more viable than his father, but like his father, I'm not sure he has a 50-state appeal of any real depth.
75  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Carson: White House wanted me to apologize for 'offending' Obama on: April 16, 2014, 06:48:16 PM
The book except apparently says the White House wanted him to apologize.  The message was sent through the organizers.  That is exactly how it works.  The president isn't going to pick up the phone and call him.    

Same thing happened a while back when someone had the audacity to write something that was entirely positive about the First Lady.  Someone from the White House (or affiliated with them) contacted the paper.
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