Well, that picture sure was photoshopped.. 

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Are there things?



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I think Lexus makes a fine automobile.

Best drive I've experienced in a luxury car (beats the drive I had when testing out a Mercedez, BMW & AUDI).

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I know this is slightly off track from the debate regarding chiropractors doing more harm than good, but I wanted to chime in with something regarding your condition.

Has your team of Hepatologists considered using Sofosbuvir? Let me know, as I recently read a piece of work surrounding its use and the high cure rate (greater than 78%) achieved for patients with Hepatitis C.

I've also heard of patients that have managed to get cured of Hepatitis C completely. Their approach for complete cure involved the use of both antiviral drugs and a living-donor liver transplant (This approach produced an 80% cure rate).

What they did was to take patients with both advanced Hepatitis C and a Cirrhotic liver and consequently placed them on a 6-8 month course of both Interferon and Ribavirin (in a step-up approach), slowly increasing their dosages from month to month. Once they reached an undetectable Hepatitis C viral load in their blood for at least 12 weeks, they then went ahead and performed a living donor liver transplant. Essentially, what occurred is that these patients were both cured of Hepatitis C and cured of their cirrhotic liver due to the presence of a newly transplanted liver.

For more information on this study and the results seen in over 295 patients, take a look at this NIH study found in PubMed:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22151078

If you need further information, let me know and I can get you in contact with a couple of the best Hepatologists in NYC.

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Agreed!

A while back, I was reading a book by Gary Taubes titled, "Good Calories, Bad Calories: Fats, Carbs, and the Controversial Science of Diet and Health". In his book, Mr. Taubes dived into the fact that  populations like that of the Eskimos have an incredibly small prevalence of cancer, diabetes and heart disease due to their native diet. Their diets are composed of high protein, fats (good fats) and a very negligible amount of carbs. He spoke of example whereby a solid group of Eskimos (>500) adopted a Western diet for a set period of time and as a result, they experienced an increased in the rate of diseases like that of cancer, diabetes and heart disease, whereas the other Eskimos (who stayed with their native diets) continued to be healthy. Ultimately, his studies found that processed carbohydrates are greatly linked to the risk of developing cancer.

This is the book for those interested in a good read:



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Beautiful!

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Good work!

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I always knew Ron had super powers!

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Come now, I don't think that.

You know I try to be as fair as possible and wouldn't resort to name calling.

I just wanted a reply, but it seems impossible now.

I think it is fair to say that due to his Nolo Contendere (no contest), I win this debate by default. Unless someone feels otherwise, I will allow for the other thread to be moved to general topics and for this thread to also follow.

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Well, he was on for an hour and just now logged off. I tried everything possible to get his attention (created this thread so that it can be the first thread on the G&O for him to see + bumped the thread in which I made the rebuttal + threw my rebuttal into this thread for his review). He has logged in well over 3 times (each time for more than an hour) since the time I posted my rebuttal and had over a day and a half to come up with something.

I presented a logical argument using my own words and minor references (that I reviewed) from the New Testament.

So far, nothing from him. Other moderators were kind enough to leave the other thread (Jews in Hollywood) up for him to review and reply to, but he has chosen not to for whatever reason (maybe he is busy at work).

Because the other thread has been deemed a "general topics" thread, I will send it over to that section in 30 minutes out of respect for fellow mods that were kind enough to let it stand.

I tried folks, I tried...

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I'll even make it easier and post my rebuttal to you here, so that you don't have to go digging for it in the other thread:

Ok Wiggs, here is a retort to your copy and paste material that you posted, notice how I clearly wrote every single word here for you and others to read. No need to copy and paste, just a straight debate:

First off Benjamin Freedman was NOT an esteemed Jew. He wasn't esteemed by the Jewish Community. In fact, he denounced Judaism and became Roman Catholic and was both an antisemitic and anti-zionist. So please, get your facts straight and stop copying and pasting the first article you find off Google that tries to prove that Jesus wasn't a Jew.

For any members that are actually buying into Wiggs' nonsense, feel free to put in "Jesus was not a Jew" in Google search and notice that the very first result is what Wiggs posted up for an argument supposedly based on facts.

I read that argument (here is the website for it: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jesusjew.htm) and NOTHING that Freedman states is backed by FACTS.

So before you simply cut and paste bullshit off the internet, at the very least find factual information backed by references that are peer-reviewed.
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Now that your ability to argue anything has been debunked by your own doing, I'll try to refute your notion that Jesus wasn't Jewish by using my own argument (notice it isn't a copy and paste argument, as you so clearly are only capable of doing).

I believe Jesus was Jewish, because the Bible is the only accurate historical reference we have regarding Jesus and it clearly shows us that he was Jewish.

Lets consider a few simple things. First, what is the definition of the term Jew?

Here is what I found (and you can too) in Merriam Webster's dictionary:

A member of the tribe of Judah (site: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jew)

Ok, so for someone to be consider a Jew, they should be a member or descendant of the tribe of Judah. I think that point is clearly established. We also know Judah was the fourth son of both Jacob and Leah, making him a member of the twelve tribes of Israel by lineage alone.

So back to Jesus. In order for someone to be consider a Jew, he needs to be born of a Jewish mother.

So was Mary Jewish and in any way related to Judah?

Let's look at the lineage.

From Judah comes David...and from David comes both Mary and Joseph and from Mary comes Jesus. (For proof of this line of reasoning take a look at Luke 3:23-38)

Here is what Luke 3:23 looks like for those that are interested:

3:23 So Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years old. He was the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli...

If you keep reading down the long lineage, it gets to this:

3:30 the son of Simeon, the son of Judah <~~~ There is the direct lineage to Judah.

In order to reinforce the fact that Mary was Jewish and from the line of David and furthermore Judah, this is what Luke 1:32 states:

He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David.

If Jesus is related to David directly, as the father of his lineage, and David comes from Judah, as shown in the lineage found in Luke 3, then CLEARLY Jesus was JEWISH!

If you go to Luke chapter 3 and read through the lineage, you will clearly see how Mary is directly related by blood to Judah.

So, simply put, if Jesus was born of Mary (who was Jewish), then Jesus by default is also Jewish.

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The genealogies I used were strictly from the New Testament. All of the material presented in the New Testament points to Jesus being a descendant of David, which in turn was a descendant of Judah, thereby making him a Jew.

Likewise, both Mary and Joseph's genealogies can be traced directly to Judah, making them both Jews.

Not to mention that:

Jesus preached from the Torah (Only a Jew would use the Torah)

Got circumcised (A practice used to keep the pact given to Abraham)

Prayed in a synagogue (Why would you do that if you weren't a Jew?)

Was allowed into the temple (which is VERY IMPORTANT since only Jews were allowed into the temple, gentiles could not enter)

That's as simple as a non-Christian can put it for anyone else to read. No big, fancy and tiresome articles copied and pasted from the internet, just some simple dots that everyone can connect.

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I am not asking for cut and paste, just a simple reply in his own words, like I provided him with in that thread.

Also, I don't want this to be about insulting Wiggs, as he is a good man and I like and respect him very much.

I just want a rebuttal to my post, since I put time into it for our debate to continue appropriately.

Here's to a good debate!

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When you have a chance, can you go and provide a rebuttal to my response to our debate regarding whether or not Jesus was Jewish.

Here is the link just in case: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=480172.0

I will bump it up as well.

Thanks Bro!

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BUMP

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Of course not...lol

Why would you trust a pHD in Engineering to treat you for a medical condition?

That's the same as trusting a Juris Doctor (A Lawyer, who by their training is also a DOCTOR) with your medical problems.

There are doctorates obtained in the medical sciences that are directly involved with your healthcare management and there are other Doctorates that have nothing to do with healthcare (Lawyer, PHD in Math, literature, biology, physics etc..).

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Chiropractors have a place in healthcare. They provide a good service and should be respected as healthcare professionals.

That said, if you do have a ligament, muscle or tendon tear, you should probably go see an orthopedic surgeon for repair of that problem. Maybe Chiro can tell us whether there are other options via the use of chiropractors for these types of injuries. I am interested in knowing, as I probably have Labral tears on both shoulders from decades of wear and tear.

Chiropractors are doctors in their own discipline and should be respected as such.  There are more Doctors now in healthcare than there were ever before. So keep in mind, that as a consumer, you have way more options.

Besides chiropractors, these are some other doctors you might have not heard of:

DPT: Doctorate of Physical Therapy
DNP: Doctorate of Nursing Practice
DPA: Doctorate of Physician Assistant
PharmD: Doctor of Pharmacy
DN: Doctorate in Nutrition

These are all REAL doctors that have gone to school (Undergrad & Grad level) for well over 8 years and had their own residencies, in most instances, to attain the degree that they have, which can be applied to the realm of healthcare.

Watch out for both Nurse Practitioners and Physician Assistants with Doctorates. Those two groups WILL be the future of primary care medicine. Statistics are all pointing in that direction.

Also, don't be surprised if more people visit their local chiropractor for help with back aches and pains, versus waiting months on in to see an orthopedist.

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I don't think I have the courage to go at it with you sir.

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I don't know. I wouldn't call him a self-styled TA, as I believe he has his own style. The issue I see is that for as much huffing and puffing as he did, his sudden lack of response, even after multiple logins and ample amount of time present during each log in (>1 hour), it just seems a little, I don't know like a...


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I don't think so.

I see this as merely a friendly debate between two forum friends. I don't see Wiggs as a foe. Instead, I think he is a funny guy with entertaining material.

What he did do, which I found a little much, was that he resorted to these tactics below:


Followed by this..


I was generous enough to take the time out to write a proper rebuttal to the argument he posted (which wasn't even his own argument, as he didn't write it and just copied and pasted the works of a fraudulent Jew that was both anti-semitic and anti-zionist). He has now taken over 24 hours and has yet to respond. He has logged in twice during those 24 hours and each time he logged in, he was on for more than an hour and I purposely bumped the thread during each of those times for his convenience. I even had a fellow moderator bring back this thread from the general topics section, just so that he could have the basic courtesy extended to him for a proper rebuttal on his part.

Now, 24 hours later and multiple times viewed, he has yet to even chime in after I wrote a thorough rebuttal IN MY OWN WORDS with adequate proof from the only source we have as a reference to Jesus' life. I didn't need to use any fancy authors or material from someone else. Instead, I just opened up a regular bible and took a few minutes to dissect a few verses while pointing out the clear and inarguable points for him to debate over.

After providing him with what he desired, his lack of response to this thread is....oh, I don't know, I will leave it to his own words for a proper description:


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Wiggs,

It's been 24 hours since I made my rebuttal to your post.

You've logged in twice over the course of those 24 hours and each time for hours at a time.

Will you not come back and finish the debate?

Isn't that, in your own words, a "bitch move"?

Come on bro, at least have the courtesy to show that you're good on your word...
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We do.

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Wiggs,

You've already logged on twice, for multiple hours at a time and I purposely bumped it just so that you wouldn't miss it.

Any responses? It's approaching the 24 hour mark since you last responded.

Give us something..

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Wiggs,

Now that you're online, please take a look at my rebuttal and provide us with a little something of your own.

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Well, he felt so adamant about debating a few things, one of which was ascertaining whether or not Jesus was Jewish.

I provided a logical argument with proof from the only historical reference we have about Jesus and after seeing my rebuttal twice (in over a span of 16 hours) he has yet to respond.

Couple of more hours and this is going to general topics..

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This marks over 16 hours since my retort had been up.  Wiggs has clearly seen my rebuttal  but had yet to reply. Just because I'm a good sport, I will leave this thread here for 3 more hours. Hopefully, Wiggs will come through with a reply.

Waiting on you Wiggs,

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