Honestly, I'm way off on size and conditioning for where I'd like to be (Dexter Jackson-ish), unless my mind changes.

Either that's a she, or he has some serious gyno!

Vince, after studying the callouts, Ronnie looks better than Jay in these shots:

Front lat spread - side chest

Jay edges him out in these:

Front double bi - Rear double bi - reat lat - side tri - front ab - most muscular.

I give Jay the nod in this case. His chest, lats and legs are all bigger and as/if not more detailed than Ronnie's.

Jay owned Ronnie in that pic IMO. Ronnie may be more aesthetic, but you compare each bodypart and see who wins.

Pretty much. It's the standard Paris Hilton look, but you do get the hardcore emo/goth chicks, too, that look a bit different.

They're all the rage here in Sydney.

Good point. I've been looking for different ways of doing exercises recently to just spice things up.

I did that curl in my biceps routine a few weeks ago. Kinda cool it was known (and supposedly effective) from back in the day. For those who say it was effective, what are your sources? I found it was stressing the bi's pretty well, and would prefer it to straight-BB as I didn't get much feel from that.

Throw rules out the window in BBing training and eating. It is so person-specific, I think most of this theory is useless. Read about nutrition. Read about how to train and different methods. From there on, the gym and the kitchen are at your disposal to find what works for you.

Being younger and new to dips, maybe I haven't got problems because of those things, but I think (like all exercises) form plays a vital role. You don't want to be swinging with dips, but try to keep it flowing smoothly and if it hurts anywhere when doing them (like it did with me on my right hand) you should change it until it feels better.

Chris was just as aesthetic with bigger muscles. BTW, that pic is in the gym I train at.

Rock on, Milos.

One word: freak. I would love to have his physique. All the major bodyparts were massive and dense, with such a small waist and good proportions. Imagine if he was competing today, with the diet and training knowledge. He'd be Coleman's equal, no doubt.

One of the exercises in Arnold's Encyclopedia. Did Larry invent that? Anyway, the guy had some serious mass on his chest and arms. Some of, if not the biggest biceps I've ever seen.

I have no prob with ppl using Ipods in the gym, but I don't use one myself.

Chris was great in his day, but Nasser can't be denied deserving at least one never-was Sandow.

See: Vince when he was younger.

Add Nasser '97 to that list.

Props to Kev. The guy was huge with a great shape.

Maybe he chose the robes and excessive gear to hide a lacking physique for a while? As for general outfits, I don't mind them, but I think it's best to show more of the body than hide it with costumes. But, whatever works.

Ronnie looks huge in the Doherty's gym pics. He's guest posing this weekend in Australia. Apparently it was called his "Farewell tour" before he lost the O., so kind of ironic.

I agree with the point of people sticking to the routines they know, but the average Joe Schmo who works out isn't going to compete in strength/physique competition. They sign up to "get fit." Whatever that means to them is their business, so whose to say they want to be at 6% BF and huge? I'm pretty sure most wouldn't. Maybe they seem to be getting nowhere to people who strive for that ripped/huge muscle look, but without knowing what their goals are, it's hard to say they're not improving at whatever they're doing just because their body seems to look the same.

Ronnie has Jay from the front upperbody. Jay has Ronnie from the back upperbody.
Jay has Ronnie on legs, period.

Jay wins IMO.

When I trained 6 days straight out of the week, no soreness to speak of. When I would take a few days off and then on my first day back = soreness. Similar warmup each time.

I put soreness down to the muscles not being ready to take the load. Those that train twice a week and stretch alot I doubt hardly ever have soreness.

I lean as far forward that will work my lats the best. At first I didn't lean far forward and I found out that just by looking at myself side-on in the mirror, the more I lean forward, the more it stretches the lats. Trick is not to push too far back with the lower back. Keep fairly straight and thrust the chest out at the end.

I call dead even on that back shot with Doz, if not Nasser getting the upperhand out of sheer better conditioning on many more parts than Dorian had (which only were a few parts of the back and glutes.) Nasser was thicker, wider and had more overall mass and conditioning in that shot.

Someone post pics or show me where to find the mandatories. I'd like to know how Nasser lost that.