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12751  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: Bill Maher's Anti-Religion Movie on: September 06, 2008, 04:18:51 PM
The lofty goal appears to be living a very difficult existence without the dogmatic nonsense of righteous religious folks mucking up the way.  Life's tough enough without throwing in non-existent data like God, the Devil, angels, demons or the afterlife to interfere with very real and profound issues.  Fear of death is a strong fear and religion is there to fill the void.

"Work like a dog, live the way we think you should live and after you are dead, you will get your reward!"

What a sweet deal.

If life is so tough and fear of death isn't an issue, why aren't more atheists blowing their brains out? Furthermore, religion (Christianity, at least) has hardly interfered with "real and profound issues". More often than not, it has addressed those issues.

12752  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: Bill Maher's Anti-Religion Movie on: September 06, 2008, 03:44:48 PM
you want there to be a goal.and even if there is some goal (which i doubt) why r u so worried about it.if you believe in the bible then its all good 4 u god fearing folks.

My wanting there to be a goal has no bearing on the matter. Maher claims that religion must be gone in order to "move forward". Where is he (and others like him) trying to go? What are they trying to do?
12753  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Keith Olberman on: September 06, 2008, 03:38:51 PM
Fox shows are confrontational and petty (much like the Republican Party).  Olberman definitely expressed an opinion but (IMO) is much more even handed and factual than anything on Fox.

regarding ratings - you were either making a weak joke or you're seriously misinformed (as would be expected of someone who get's his info from Fox and "Rash")

NEW YORK - June 10, 2008 - MSNBC continued its ratings surge last week, with viewers flocking out of the "No Spin Zone" and to "The Place for Politics." For the first time ever, MSNBC's "Countdown with Keith Olbermann" was the #1 show at 8 p.m., out-drawing Fox News's "O'Reilly Factor" head-to-head among Adults 25-54. This is the first time since June 2001 that MSNBC has out-rated "The O'Reilly Factor" at 8 p.m.

No wonder Olbermann is always obsessing and ranting about O'Reilly. If I were getting my behind beat in the ratings for SEVEN YEARS STRAIGHT, I'd be grumpy, too.

 Grin
12754  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Sarah Palin's extramarital affair....... on: September 06, 2008, 03:01:20 PM
John, this isn't liberal blog speculation, ...this is an international news story in circulation in the intl news media


That's likely where it started. And, would any of this international news media be of the left-leaning kind, particularly the ones that cried almost as much as the liberals did here, when Bush got re-elected (i.e. the UK's "Guardian")?
12755  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Why is the media is giving Palin a free pass? on: September 06, 2008, 02:55:31 PM
Why not arrest them? Should the police wait until property gets destroyed and people get injured to act on these knuckleheads?

I don't think so.

It's one thing to march and chant and wave picket signs. It's another to destroy people's businesses (especially when they have NOTHING to do with the RNC), spray dangerous chemicals and urine on people, and make threats to kidnap and injure people.

It's worth the risk of lawsuits (most of which will get DROPPED, anyway) to protect citizens from these silly folks.
12756  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Nat'l enquirer claims next week's issue will prove Palin Affair? on: September 06, 2008, 02:51:46 PM
yep - that's why I was careful to include the word

Good for you!

[quote author=Straw Man link=topic=232560.msg3279318#msg3279318

My logic is that I think it should be taught for both preventing unwanted pregnancy and avoiding disease (not just HIV but all types of STD's)
Abstinence only works until the point where you can't abstain and then you better have a back up plan.  You're right on one thing.  I'm sure Bristol was aware of condoms and how they work so I guess she's either stupid or maybe wanted to get knocked up (not uncommon).[/quote]

She didn't use "Plan A" or "Plan B".


Given her strident position on abortion I would expect nothing less of her.

Any other CHOICE would have been hypocritical

Then, why are you talking about hypocrisy, in this case? If there were ANY opening for her to be hypocritical with regards to abortion, those two instance (her pregnancy with Trig and her daughter's out-of-wedlock pregnancy) would have been it.
12757  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: HYPOCRISY, the republican way on: September 06, 2008, 02:44:14 PM
Decry sexism and sexist attack on Hilary Clinton; conduct such attacks on Sarah Palin.

Feminists yack about cracking the class ceiling, climbing the corporate ladder, and showing that they can hang with the men; then turn right around and tell a CONSERAVITE VP candidate that she needs to go home and take care of her kids.

Whine about the GOP's #2 not having enough experience, while putting the LEAST experienced guy in the whole party on the TOP of your own ticket (and not putting one of the best overall candidates on ticket at all).

Spread rumors about an alleged adulterous affair of the GOP's VP pick; give a standing ovation to the biggest whoremonger and adulterer in history of your own party at the DNC.

HYPOCRISY, The Democratic Way.

 Grin
12758  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Nat'l enquirer claims next week's issue will prove Palin Affair? on: September 06, 2008, 02:36:47 PM
other people marriages are none of my biz.

When you are a public figure who preaches family values and then have an affair (allegedly) then the issue is hypocrisy

Key word: Allegedly. I guess the whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing goes out the door, when it comes to conservatives, especially when they're women.



When you preach abstinence over sex education and your teenage daughter get's knocked up then the issue is hypocrisy.

You don't get it. It doesn't matter what type of sex education Palin favors. Her daughter DIDN'T heed it. Do you really think that girl knew nothing about condoms?

Had she used contraception, she might not have become pregnant; had she abstained, she DEFINITELY would not be pregnant. She did neither; she's pregnant. By your logic, we should get of sex education altogether, because there are plenty of teens who hear about condoms and birth control, BUT KEEP SCREWING WITHOUT USING THEM, anyway.

Of course, it's awfully hard to get pregnant, without having sexual intercourse. But, never let common sense stand in the way of the liberals' mantra of wanting the screw without consequence.


When you want to take away a womans right to choose and then you want credit for not choosing abortion the issue is hypocrisy


What she decided is that, Down's syndrome or not, that baby is just that: A BABY. Trig deserves a chance to live, not hacked to pieces due to his imperfection.
12759  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Nat'l enquirer claims next week's issue will prove Palin Affair? on: September 06, 2008, 01:59:21 PM
the difference is that BC didn't lecture the public on morals and family values.

Silly me! I thought married men were supposed to be faithful to their wives, not get caught red-handed and try to redefine what "is" is.


That is always the difference in these issue.

Kind of like when David Vitter and Larry Craig sponsoring (among others) the Federal Marriage Ammendment

AHHHHHH!!! So, whoring and adultering isn't as bad, provided you aren't lecturing the public about it (or a Democrat).


12760  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: change i don't think so on: September 06, 2008, 01:57:16 PM
I agree. Funny thing is I thought they would recognize this downward spiral by the start fo this weekend, but they continue to hammer away, while Hillary Clinton sits in the shadows and is laughing, she already came out and made it clear she would not attack Palin, but "debate McCain on the issues"

If McCain wins, Clinton gets one more shot at the White House in 2012. Of course, she may end up being the SECOND woman to become president.
12761  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: Bill Maher's Anti-Religion Movie on: September 06, 2008, 01:46:57 PM
I don't believe Athiest have a supreme goal (or even a cohesive group that compares in any way to any organized religion).

It appears that they do. Maher spoke about moving forward. Again, to what are he and others like him trying to move? There's something he wants to accomplish, and for some strange reason, he can't get it done without religion being gone.

According to atheists.org, "Your petitioners are Atheists and they define their beliefs as follows. An Atheist loves his fellow man instead of god. An Atheist believes that heaven is something for which we should work now – here on earth for all men together to enjoy.

Is this the lofty goal which Maher wants to reach?



An Atheist believes that he can get no help through prayer but that he must find in himself the inner conviction, and strength to meet life, to grapple with it, to subdue it and enjoy it.


Is it this?



An Atheist believes that only in a knowledge of himself and a knowledge of his fellow mancan he find the understanding that will help to a life of fulfillment.


Or it is that?




From my perspective, the recent increase in movies/books like the kind from Maher and Dawkins is necessary response to the infiltration of radical religious agenda in our society and government.   The Bush administration is filled with people who filter their regligious beliefs into social policy.   An example is the massive amount of tax payer $$$ spent of faith based initiatives such as the patently worthless abstinence programs or pushing to teach a Christian creation myth as if it's the "other side of the coin" to the theory of evolution.   If we're going to teach a creation myth in school then it should be taught in a class about mythology and it should be taught alongside the creation stories of other religions.  This would be a more of a 200 sided die rather than a 2 sided coin.

First of all, faith-based initiatives are PRIMARILY of a humanitarian nature. There's no need to build shelters or food banks in a community if several of those already exist with local churches.

Second, exactly what's so "worthless" about abstinence education? People have been yapping about condoms for ages, yet STDs among teens have gone UP. That makes the point of, regardless of which type of sex education is touted, these kids aren't using it. They ain't abstaing; they ain't using rubbers. But, I suppose since too many teens aren't using contraception and condoms, we should scrap sex education altogether, by your logic.


Thirdly, with regards to your comments, if these other folks have the scientific data to support their claims (as Creationists do), then let them have at it. Of course, that isn't the issue here.

It is rather strange, though, that despite the virtual monopoly evolutionists have had, with regards to science classes, they still struggle to get their message across, which frustrate a number of "enlightened" folks to no end.


Bottom line - I'm for freedom of all religious thought and that includes the freedom to reject all religious doctrine and keep all religious doctrine out of the running of our government. 

Does that include the "religious doctrine" of humanism/atheism, or is that some sort of exemption?

People's beliefs shape how they form policy. So, no matter how you slice it, you will have religious doctrine (to some degree) running the government.
12762  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Republicans Beat Democrats for Convention Viewership on: September 06, 2008, 01:27:46 PM
Some of the CT nuts also believe the Ohio results were rigged in 04. 

Now that you mentioned it, this election is very similar to 2004.

Keep in mind, the ecomony and Iraq were supposed to be the death knell for George Bush.

The Democratic challenger kept yakking about "change" back then, too.

And, there was an alleged scandal that was supposed to spell the end for "W" (Memo-gate).

In the end, Bush won; the tax-and-spend liberal got bounced, the news reporter who started Memo-Gate got fired. And among the liberals, there was weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Will history repeat itself in 2008? Only time will tell.

12763  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Republicans Beat Democrats for Convention Viewership on: September 06, 2008, 01:22:14 PM
if obama and biden lose it's because of the diebolt or whatever it is called now. Vote rigging.

McCain is a lameduck candidate.

In other words, you're planning on recycling the 2000 excuse, "We wuz robbed", should McCain quack his way into the Oval Office.
12764  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Nat'l enquirer claims next week's issue will prove Palin Affair? on: September 06, 2008, 01:20:31 PM
getting a bj from an intern is not as bad as shamelessly ditching your family for a woman who will help further your political career like your great Man of Integrity and Honor did Wink

You know good and well that Bill was whoring around LOOOOOOONG before "Monica-gate". Unless, you're implying that it's fine to screw around on your wife, as long as you don't leave (notwithstanding the fact that Hilary has political reasons to stay with Bill and, were he to leave, Hilary would BLEED HIM DRY).
12765  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Republicans Beat Democrats for Convention Viewership on: September 06, 2008, 01:17:27 PM
Beautifully written!

Thanks!!

I've just noticed a pattern with liberals, every time they lose, especially if it's an election.

2000: "We wuz robbed"
2004: "Kerry got swiftboated/it's them mean ol' Christians' fault"

I'm just curious to see what it will be, if Obama and Biden don't get the job done (and how many liberals will threaten to leave the country but stay anyway).
12766  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Why is the media is giving Palin a free pass? on: September 06, 2008, 01:13:51 PM
they have completely dropped the Troopergate thing.

Apparently, you missed the interview on CNN with Palin's ex-brother-in-law. He admitted to tasing his step-son (though he claimed that the taser had a training cartridge in it, he only use it on the boy for a split second, and that the boy asked to be zapped with it); he admitted to illegaly shooting a moose.

The rest of the interview, particularly, when asked if he threatened Palin's parents, will be shown later this week.



there has been NO MENTION of her involvement with an Alaskan seperatist movement (country first right Roll Eyes my god, could you imagine if obama had been involved with something like that?

Unconfirmed, and likely a bunch of foolishness, much like the stuff you have listed below.



there has been NO MENTION of her extreme views such as wanting creationism taught in schools

Nothing to mention, as she said nothing of the sort, beyond schools having a discussion about it, in other classes.



they completely dropped the possiblilty that the retarded kid may well be her daughter's

That's because it's a bunch of BS, started by the Daily Kos.


all i hear about now is that shes 'hot'  Roll Eyes

Maybe, if the media would concentrate on getting its facts straight, instead of spreading rumors, lies, and othe BS about her, you wouldn't be complaining as much.

The Democrats and hard-left liberals got sucker-punched by McCain's picking Palin, and they don't know what to do with themselves, hence the reason for these pathetic attempts at character assasination.

The spotlight's on her, NOT OBAMA (anymore), and the Dems can't take it.

Edit - Beach Bum already addressed all this mess at the following link:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=232678.0
12767  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Nat'l enquirer claims next week's issue will prove Palin Affair? on: September 06, 2008, 01:05:44 PM
the same people didnt seem to mind McCain leaving his original family for another woman, who just so happened to be rich and politically connected.
they didnt mind her daughter getting knocked up at 17.
why would they let this bother them?

Well, perhaps the biggest whoremonger and adulterer in American political history got a standing ovation at the DNC. But, that doesn't seem to bother the liberals here, for some reason.
12768  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Republicans Beat Democrats for Convention Viewership on: September 06, 2008, 01:03:31 PM
exaclty, they are using bad statistics. following the opening game of the NFL helps drastically. plus people were already watching the news cause of the hurricanes. plus the tabloids created a huge interest in Palin that generated curious viewers.

haha but go ahead and believe all the viewers were just really into politics and what the republicans had to say

And all the viewers of the DNC were SOOOOOOOO into politics and what the Democrats had to say?  Roll Eyes


Had McCain's acceptance speech at the RNC received significantly lower numbers than Obama's speech at the DNC, Dems/liberals would be crowing about it all the live-long day.

Bad statistics, the football game, blah, blah, blah! As usual, it's more excuse from the liberals when they get beat.

For the past seven days, Sarah Palin has snatched the spotlight from Barack Obama and the Democrats, and it's got some folks on the left absolutely enraged.



12769  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Republicans Beat Democrats for Convention Viewership on: September 06, 2008, 12:37:31 PM
In other words, it's liberals doing what they do best: Make excuses when they lose.

 Grin
12770  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Sarah Palin's extramarital affair....... on: September 06, 2008, 12:33:51 PM
Sure it would, but the left is batting .000 with this stuff, so it's easy to doubt.

Shootfighter's completely right (no pun), the cylce here is: go to a lefty blog, post crap, predict Palin's resignation, have it proven wrong, move to the next story.  Wash, rinse, repeat.

I hate this from both sides - I dislike Obama as a candidate, but ignore stories telling us he's a terrorist, etc......

It's amazing that this woman has the far-left liberals running scared, in just ONE WEEK.

Apparently, they don't have enough confidence that Obama/Biden can get the job done.

12771  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Sarah Palin Fundraised $8 Million for Barack! on: September 05, 2008, 08:13:15 PM
I wasn't reaching, merely making a valid point there are many reasons we donate money.

The money point is all moot anyway, Obama raised more money in a day then McCain has since he announced her as VP. So whichever or whatever, that is good for Obama's campaign financially.

Yet, despite all that money (and he's had a HUGE monetary advantage from the get-go), he is STILL in a NECK-AND-NECK race with McCain.

McCain is already showing his fiscal savvy.  Grin
12772  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: This pic says it all... on: September 05, 2008, 11:48:31 AM
These folks were given a certain time and place to march and do their protest. It certainly wasn’t inside the building, during McCain’s speech.

When are these goofballs going to learn that screwball behavior like this doesn’t help their cause one bit? These groups did the same foolishness in 2004. All they have to show for it are criminal records, some lumps upside their heads, and less money. To top it all off, Bush got re-elected, anyway.
12773  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Martin Luther King - Community Organizer on: September 05, 2008, 11:11:08 AM
hahaha
How is Obama "defensive" of the job he held for three years fresh out of college?  Roll Eyes

He's defensive, because he took a pot shot at Palin's qualifications. She shot back with the line about "community organizers", and now his feelings are hurt.




Palin slung a lot of bullshit in her snarky speech...let's see how she handles the next two months. Will she run and hid or begin doing interviews. Obama was on O'Reilly last night and will be on This Week on ABC this Sunday. Will Palin sit down with Wolf Blitzer? Will she sit in the hot seat of Meet The Press? Or will she give stump speeches and run back to Alaska?

As for Obama, O'Reilly has been asking him to come on the show for MONTHS; he finally made his appearance yesterday. Palin's been on the national stage for a whopping SEVEN DAYS. How the heck is that running and hiding?  She'll get to the interviewing in due time.

12774  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Sam Harris, Horseman Speaks on Palin and McCain and how bad they really are. on: September 05, 2008, 10:12:52 AM
Obama is probably one of the nations foremost knowledgeable United States Constitutional scholars and is also WELL versed in American History.


whereas

Sarah Palin thinks the Pledge of Allegiance was wrote by the founding fathers and should be protected at all costs.


She does not realize that in fact the original Pledge of Allegiance was written simply for a commemoration of the 1892 World`s Fair in Chicago to be recited by school-boys.  The Pledge also made ZERO reference to god.  the Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy (1855-1931), a Baptist minister, a Christian Socialist, and the cousin of Socialist Utopian novelist Edward Bellamy (1850-1898). Bellamy's original "Pledge of Allegiance" was published in the September 8th issue of the popular children's magazine The Youth's Companion.

I have a copy of the original myself!

There just one problem you have here, Adonis.

Obama professess to be a man of faith and BELIEVES IN GOD. He says he's a Christian, which by your standards, makes his a "moron".

So why are you listing all of his accolades, proclaiming how brilliant he is?
12775  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Martin Luther King - Community Organizer on: September 05, 2008, 05:45:58 AM
You can't compare MLK to Obama...not even close.  But you are right, it the context of accomplishments, community organizer doesn't compare to mayor/govenor

get off of Obama's jock

And that was the point. When Palin was announced as the VP pick last week, the Obama camp and many on the left belittled her accomplishments, specifically that of her being the mayor of her small hometown.

Palin simply threw it back in their faces. If a small-town mayor and 2-year governor isn’t qualified, then Obama CERTAINLY is not qualified. And he’s at the top, not the bottom, of his party’s ticket. That's why Obama has been so defensive of his "community organizer" credentials.
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