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20026  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Christian college suspends student for gay-porn roles on: May 10, 2009, 06:45:48 AM
Very smart, very, very smart...

exactly - something we've discussed at length.  She also has 2 kids and her own home and I have my own house and we both like it that way. 

20027  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Obama Budget Would Eliminate Spending on Abstinence-Only Sex Education on: May 10, 2009, 06:42:14 AM
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President Barack Obama wants to eliminate spending on abstinence-only education and spend the money on programs to reduce teen pregnancy that do not take an abstinence-only approach.

Bad decision.  Now watch him try and divert money to Planned Parenthood.   Roll Eyes

He's stopping abstinence ONLY programs because they've proven to be an abject failure and instead diverting that money to other programs in an attempt to reduce teen pregnancy.  Isn't that the objective the failed abstinence only programs in the first place.   

Why should we keeping throwing money at a failed idea.  He might as well just take the money and have a bonfire of the front lawn of the White House as spend it on abstinence ONLY programs.

Thank Jeebus we don't have another brain dead evangelical running this country

20028  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Christian college suspends student for gay-porn roles on: May 10, 2009, 06:21:31 AM
You don't get it.  Calling you a homosexual isn't an insult.  "Homosexual" isn't a pejorative.  It's simply a description of your lifestyle choice.  Calling you dense is an insult.  If you weren't so dense you'd understand that.   

of course homosexual is not a pejorative but when someone tells you they are not gay and you continue say they are then it is a pejorative in the context that you are using it.

I've been with the same woman for almost 7 years.  She's divorced and has no interest in getting married again and we both own our homes and have other assets, etc... If I tell you I'm not gay and you keep saying that I am then you are using it as an insult which just exposes your bigotry......something we all know about you already.

Of coure I wouldn't expect you to understand any of that
20029  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Christian college suspends student for gay-porn roles on: May 09, 2009, 11:18:00 PM
I get it Straw Man.  You're a dense homosexual.  These stories make you uncomfortable, so instead of addressing the story, you make some asinine comment about the poster.  But no worries.  I understand you. 

Got it from here:  http://www.worldnetdaily.com/

bum

you don't get it

I'm not gay

and being gay is not an insult
20030  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Michael Savage banned from England for "Extreme Views" on: May 09, 2009, 08:53:17 PM
big deal - we deny people entry to this country all the time

Weiner has no rights in Britain
20031  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Christian college suspends student for gay-porn roles on: May 09, 2009, 08:40:03 PM
Roll Eyes

did you find this when you were googling for gay porn
20032  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Christian college suspends student for gay-porn roles on: May 09, 2009, 08:28:51 PM
Bum - it's weird how you always seem to be the one posting this kind of stuff



20033  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Bristol Palin says abstinence best path for teens on: May 08, 2009, 01:00:51 PM
right back atcha.  I know you have a few years on me, so chances are I'll be PMing you for advice down the road  Grin

I'm a conservative even tho I do defend some of obama's mess.
I great up with 10 years of catholic school.  I plan to do the same with my kids.  No clue how I'll handle the sex issue when I get there.  

What I always hated about catholic school was this... I would staight up ASK the priest or teacher "how far can I go with a girl before it's a sin".... and the answer was never there.  They said sex was a sin, but making out was not.  They could never tell me what - in the middle - was a sin.  So I just fig'd out the release thing in order not to sin.  

George Carlin talked about this on one of his album in 1972:

"I could, uh, I could do Father Byrne so well that I often wanted to do him in confession, y'know. I wanted to get into Father Byrne's confessional one Saturday maybe a half hour before he showed up and get in there and hear a few confessions, y'know. Because I knew according to my faith and religion that if anyone came in there and really thought I was Father Byrne and really wanted to be forgiven...and perform the penance I had assigned...they would have been forgiven, man!

'Cause that's what they taught us; it's what's in your mind that counts; your intentions, that's how we'll judge you. What you want to do. Mortal sin had to be a grievous offense, sufficient reflection and full consent of the will. Ya had'ta WANNA! In fact, WANNA was a sin all by itself. "Thou Shalt Not WANNA". If you woke up in the morning and said, "I'm going down to 42nd street and commit a mortal sin!" Save your car fare; you did it, man! Absolutely!
It was a sin for you to wanna feel up Ellen. It was a sin for you to plan to feel up Ellen. It was a sin for you to figure out a place to feel up Ellen. It was a sin to take Ellen to the place to feel her up. It was a sin to try to feel her up and it was a sin to feel her up. There were six sins in one feel, man!"
20034  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Bristol Palin says abstinence best path for teens on: May 08, 2009, 12:14:09 PM
Hahahahahahaha!   Smiley

You're 42, not married with no kids?  Are you gay? 

No but why would that matter?

I forget to add above that I don't have the burden of having my common sense encumbered by religious dogma
20035  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Bristol Palin says abstinence best path for teens on: May 08, 2009, 11:57:24 AM
 

I came into parenthood with a number of preconceived ideas.  Some of those I maintained.  Some I changed, drastically.  It's fine to have an opinion about something you know absolutely nothing about (like you), but just keep in mind that once a person gets in the trenches their views may change.  It's also important to keep an uninformed opinion in context.

Frankly, you don't know squat about being a parent and raising kids.  You haven't been there, done that.  That's partly why I really don't care about your opinion.  But you know what they say about opinions.   Smiley  


the thing you're forgetting is you became a parent when you were very young and very dumb

I'm 42 and much smarter than you
20036  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Bristol Palin says abstinence best path for teens on: May 08, 2009, 11:45:21 AM
This reminds me of a person who doesn't have a driver's license and has never driven a car trying to tell someone how to drive.  But worse. 

I don't think the sex thing is that complicated.  I think it would be much harder to deal with your kid driving, not coming home when they said they would, hanging out with people who are bad influences, blowing off school, doing drugs etc...

I can assure you right now that I have no religious hang-up about sex and have a realistic view of what human beings will do.  I would advise my child to wait until they feel they are emotionally and physically ready and urge them to wait if ever in doubt.  Then I would also tell them that if they are going to have sex then they must act responsibly to assure that they don't get someone pregnant (if a son) or get pregnant (if a daughter) and also to protect their health at all costs.

I think not informing your kids about the hazards of unprotected sex and what to do if/when their will power fails is just being in denial and not being responsible.
20037  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Bristol Palin says abstinence best path for teens on: May 08, 2009, 11:37:50 AM
i agree.

Show the kid two paths they could take, with 2 real examples.

Surely every family has one couple who waited til they were 25 or 30 to have kids, who stayed together, have a nice house, and live well.

Surely every family as one couple who made a baby at 19, split up, and lived poor in a crappy house, leeching off family as a result.

Show them both examples from an early age, and let them know just how hard life is, when you're knocked up at 18.

And, teach them ways to release the internal tension without filling up some chick with sperm.  Knock one out before the date, and her mouth cannot get pregnant.  It's that simple. 

What do you tell your horny christian daughter.  

We know Bum is not going to tell her to use a condom so her only other option is to pray really hard that she doesn't get pregnant or learn to give a good hummer.   I assume he's telling her that anal sex is also out since she should use a condom for that too just for reasons of health.

20038  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Bristol Palin says abstinence best path for teens on: May 08, 2009, 11:17:48 AM
It sounds like some, particularly those who don't have kids, have a misconception about what "sex education" really involves.  Contraception is a very small part of sex education.  It's more about values, decision making, intimacy, and relationships.  It's not simply a matter of telling a kid to wait for marriage to have sex, or teaching a kid how to use a condom. 

you don't need to have your own child to understand sex education or instilling your own personal values (whatever they might be) on your child.

some people (ok one person) on this board who actually have kids don't seem to understand the basic failures of human willpower and their potentially lethal consequences.

It kind of reminds me of the Christian Scientist crowd who has a sick child that can be cured with a simple antibiotic and yet they let their kid die because of a misguided religious belief
20039  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Bristol Palin says abstinence best path for teens on: May 08, 2009, 11:13:23 AM
For Christians on this board - what is the religious conflict with urging your kids to remain abstinent but also telling them that should have have a  failure of willpower (as humans are prone to do) that they should always take measures to protect their health and future by using a contraceptive (whatever that might be).

I don't see why any parent would have a problem with that

The failure of will is prone to happen whether you have this discussion or not so why not face this reality and make sure your kid is protected?
20040  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Bristol Palin says abstinence best path for teens on: May 08, 2009, 09:07:24 AM
Hmm, I'm a bit hesistant to call the use of condoms "basic health care".  Washing your hands and bathing regularly is basic health care.  How a girl should handle it when her period comes is basic health care.  Brushing your teeth, and eating proper meals is basic health care - to me anyway.

You are still looking to educate people on something that they make a voluntary choice to do, which you may not feel is good for them or a necessity at such young ages.  While it may be prudent, especially if you think they could end up having sex, is one thing, but I wouldn't come down too hard on a parent who didn't include that kind of education in their child rearing - especially for religious reasons.  It wouldn't be wise, but it would not be irresponsible or negligent IMHO.

I still think healthy discussions on sex and the role of sex in marriage and relationships IS healthy - regardless of religion, and unfortunately, it is a topic that most churches and religious homes steer away from.  It is much easier to say that fornication is a sin, than it is to educate kids on the possiblities for an erotic and sensual sexual life in their marriages, as outlined in a biblical text like the Songs of Solomon.  Not something a Pastor is too keen on preaching on Sunday morning!  Grin

Condoms are also referred to as prophylactic which, by definition is:   "A preventive measure. The word comes from the Greek for "an advance guard," an apt term for a measure taken to fend off a disease or another unwanted consequence."

I'd call it basic health care if someone is sexually active then using a condom can be seen as basic health care and (IMO) if a parent doesn't talk to their kid about this then they are jeopardizing their childs health and possibly life if we're considering HIV or Hepatitis C

20041  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Bristol Palin says abstinence best path for teens on: May 08, 2009, 08:14:18 AM
I know this thread is mostly about Bristol, but now I'm starting to wonder about Sarah.

Sarah Palin was married to Todd on August 29, 1988 - they eloped.

Track Palin was born on April 20, 1989

235 days (7.83 months) between wedding night and birthday

Now unless the baby was born premature, one could ask, could it be they eloped because she was already pregnant?  They say it was because they didn't have the money for a big wedding. Was it?  And could the sins of the mother now fall on the daughter?
Things that make you say hmmmm?

Now everyone was young once and that doesn't mean she cannot believe that abstinence ONLY education is the right thing, but as a legislator, looking to limit sex ed to only abstinence only education, she may not be the best role model for such a stance.

And by the way, I've got no problem with abstinence education IN ADDITION to general sex ed.  I have 3 daughters myself and of course I'd want them celibate before marriage, but I'm realistic too.  I would also think I'd present sex education to them in a way that they look foward to it in marriage as a blessing and a privilege, not as a taboo.  I'm going to be very real with them and no topic is off limits.

PTB - great comments.

I'm curious if you think that a parent who refuses to teach or allow their children to be taught basic health care such the use condoms (for protection of their health and prevention of unwanted pregnancy) is being irresponsible.

 
20042  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: WESTPOINT, Iraq Veteran,Officer kicked out of military for Announcing "I AM GAY" on: May 07, 2009, 11:36:19 PM


ok this looks better

I have a lot of experience with Korean food and I am an unapologetic sushi snob
20043  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Bristol Palin says abstinence best path for teens on: May 07, 2009, 08:18:18 PM
Quit distoring your own link.  Seventy percent did not relate to long-term use.  Here is the quote from you link about long-term use:

"Just one-half of sexually active teen males reported using a condom consistently with their most recent sexual partners."  

You should quite while you're behind.  lol  I'll be using that link.  [still laughing  Smiley]

yes please do use that link.  Most adults with normal brain function will be able to understand what it's saying

As I have also pointed out - 50% is the LOWEST level of compliance noted in the study

The worst case scenario is 1 out of 2 will use a condom

here's the summary of the pdf link:

Although condom use among teen males is fairly high, one out of three is not using a condom the first or most recent time he has sex and one out of two is not using condoms consistently in his most recent sexual relationship. Inconsistent condom use increases the risk of STIs and potentially unintended pregnancy. The study on which this Fact Sheet is based found that multiple dimensions of a male teenís life influence his condom use and consistency. Increasing access to formal sex education, reducing the number of risky sexual partners, maintaining condom use and consistency in longer relationships, and improving attitudes about condom use are all promising strategies for improving male involvement in contraceptive use within relationships and reducing high rates on teen pregnancy and STIs in the United States.
20044  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Bristol Palin says abstinence best path for teens on: May 07, 2009, 08:05:00 PM
unfortunately at the age of 12 or 13, your child may have already been exposed to topics on and about sex.

Television, music, sexting, computers, magazines, books, etc
Sex is all over the place in one form or another.

You don't know how your child's peers discuss this amongst themselves.

Again, you can only hope all of the home training has an impact against peer onslaught.

Sandra

very true




20045  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Bristol Palin says abstinence best path for teens on: May 07, 2009, 08:01:03 PM
Or not.  Smiley

If a parent is going to teach their kids how to use condoms, they should do it when the kids hit puberty, which is about 12 or 13 these days.  

I understand where you're coming from.  But . . . one of the things condom et al. use assumes is kids will actually step out of their alien bodies and be completely responsible with condoms.  The link provided earlier shows just the opposite:  only half the kids (probably much less) will actually consistently use them. 
I actually think giving kids that stuff can have the opposite effect.  Give them a false sense of security and encourage sexual activity.    
  

Bum - stop making up your own "facts"

50% was the lowest # and the vast majority were closer to 70% and education and lack of stigma all increased the percentage.

What exactly is your problem with teaching your kids that in case they are "weak" that they should protect themselves from disease and unplanned pregnancy.  What EXACTLY is the problem with that?
20046  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Bristol Palin says abstinence best path for teens on: May 07, 2009, 07:58:30 PM
Most journeys start with the best of intentions.

Be careful not to judge another's path if you haven't experienced his burdens.

 Smiley

I'm 42 years old and I have plenty of friends with kids and there are children in my family.

I can guarantee you that if/when I ever have kids that birth control, contraception and protecting their health and future will not be a controversial issue.

sex in general will not be an issue and won't be a subject of shame



20047  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Bristol Palin says abstinence best path for teens on: May 07, 2009, 07:54:47 PM
Take them to planned parent hood when they turn 12 or 13?  OMG!  Yikes!

My point is that you can teach them all you want and still hormones win.  If hormones win and you didn't make contraception a no strings attached option, you may end up with a pregnant daughter who feels she's disappointed you all her life.

that pretty much sums up what an intelligent and reality based adult would teach their child



20048  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Bristol Palin says abstinence best path for teens on: May 07, 2009, 07:50:43 PM
If you ever have kids Straw, and I'm assuming you don't based on what i know, you have to respect BB intentions even if you don't feel they are realistic.

Parenthood is an incredibly powerful thing that can dramatically change a person.

I've already said I don't have kids and if/when I do I will speak and treat them like the intelligent human beings that they will be

honestly - I have zero respect for anyone endagers his own children by denying reality.

The reality is that humans are weak and a responsible parent should teach his/her children to protect their health in the event of that "indiscretion" which Bum has most likely experienced himself
20049  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Bristol Palin says abstinence best path for teens on: May 07, 2009, 07:43:01 PM
I really don't care about the politics of Bristol Palin......I just want to see some hot photos of her naked....(hope that isn't considered to be child porn).....if that ex-boyfriend of her's really wants to make himself useful he will post some hot pics of Bristol on here so we can all whack off!

give it a year or two and I'm sure your wish will be granted.

I'm pretty sure she'll get knocked up again before she ever get's married
20050  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Bristol Palin says abstinence best path for teens on: May 07, 2009, 07:39:24 PM
Beach, are your kids that age yet?

Because all the teaching and preaching in the world pales in comparison to hormones.  If they start having sex will you teach them about birth control or will you take your chances and potentially become a Grampa?  Will you allow others, like their peers teach them instead?

he already said he would not and I personally can't see how that can be the logical choice in any circumstance.

Bum - what if your child slips up just once and instead of getting pregant contracts HIV

that would be a real bummer
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