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51  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Time to ban knifes.... on: April 09, 2014, 12:03:30 PM
Right, they were only maimed and mutilated, so its ok.

great point

I'm sure if given the option they would have preferred to have been killed

52  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Jeb Bush Calls Illegal Immigration ‘An Act of Love’ on: April 09, 2014, 10:15:24 AM
How soon before Jeb walks this back and say he mispoke

If he doesn't I will be impressed
53  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Time to ban knifes.... on: April 09, 2014, 10:14:30 AM
too bad he didn't have a gun with an extended magazine then he could have maybe actually killed someone or many

total under achiever
54  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Obama's Illegal Alien Aunt Sucking Taxpayers Dry on: April 08, 2014, 07:44:16 PM
Yes, it's not like the rest of Obama's past isn't squeaky clean...  Roll Eyes



way to change the subject so that you can avoid having to defend your own stupid statement
55  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Tennessee atheists win right to distribute literature after schools give Bibles on: April 08, 2014, 06:40:40 PM
You have to shut your eyes and take it on faith.

Yep, it makes life very very simple too which is helpful considering how complicated life actually is

BTW - this is one of the funniest episodes of Futurama and worth twenty something minutes to watch (it has a few surprises)

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XXA8xaK7Q8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XXA8xaK7Q8</a>
56  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Obama's Illegal Alien Aunt Sucking Taxpayers Dry on: April 08, 2014, 05:58:44 PM
Our former President was a business associate of the Bin Laden family and our current President Hussain Obama is related to illegal aliens.

What the hell is going on!?

having a lifelong business relationship is a bit different than having a distant relative who's actions you have no responsibility or accountability for. 

of course certain idiots on this board will think the two are equivalent
57  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Tennessee atheists win right to distribute literature after schools give Bibles on: April 08, 2014, 05:54:41 PM
Ozmo, Bum is saying that he believes that because modern science does not have iron clad proof for the origin of everything from "day 1" as he likes to say, he believes this means they are using "faith" or "punting"

What he fails to keep in mind is that most modern scientists recognize the gaps in in their current forms of data or proof and don't make iron clad claims about almost anything.   They don't fill in the missing gaps with "faith" and they are completely open to an evolution of the current theories.    This is insufficient for many bible thumpers who need very simple and easy to understand "definitive" answers to everything.  This is why it is so easy for them to turn off their brains and just fill in all those missing gaps with "god" while at the same time pretending that modern science really relies on faith (thereby bringing the whole thing back around to their original belief system and pretending it has somehow been validated or vindicated)

58  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Tennessee atheists win right to distribute literature after schools give Bibles on: April 08, 2014, 05:10:30 PM
It's pretty obvious that if science can't provide people like Bum with iron-clad (and easy to understand) proof of the original of everything then it's all discounted to zero and we have to rely on a jewish fairy tale....or at the very least we have to consider a ancient jewish fairy tale side by side with modern science even when modern science can totally dismantle that story

that's our only option and let's thanks Jesus and his Dad (and the Spook) for giving it to us
59  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Tennessee atheists win right to distribute literature after schools give Bibles on: April 08, 2014, 04:13:47 PM
Thanks.  I didn't see that response earlier.  I experience that kind of punt often when I bring up this subject.  Smiley  But I'll repeat that every belief anyone has about the origin of life on earth is not based on proof. 

I was talking primarily about the origin of life on earth.  I'm sure if I spent the time I could come up with others. 

oh brother

well I guess all we've got left then is the biblical theory of of the origin of life (actually the origin of everything)

I mean the book itself exist, therefore we have "proof" that the biblical story of creation is true

it's a bit earth centric given that God created the earth before he created the Sun and "stars" but heck you can't really question god on stuff like that



60  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Tennessee atheists win right to distribute literature after schools give Bibles on: April 08, 2014, 03:53:35 PM
I don't think i have.  I don't know though, maybe in the past lol.  

and i am not a scientist.

I just want to know what theories, using the scientific method often use faith as Beach talked about...... or maybe he was just talking about ancient theories.  

I don't think you have either but Bum keeps using that term and for some reason projecting that claim or belief onto you

First time he used here

The origins of life on earth.  Some fact, some opinion, and a whole lot of faith when it comes to day 1 (regardless of the theory).  

Then the next time here and added the part about "life began"

It's the right word.  Just an uncomfortable word for some.  

Scientific methods involve:  (1) observation; (2) hypothesis formulation; (3) prediction; and (4) testing of predictions.  

Try using that method to explain how life began on day 1.  Cannot be done.    

weird how you never said this but somehow he thinks you should be able to prove it and if you can't he thinks he has made some point


Pay attention Bum - no one has ever made this claim except YOU
61  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Tennessee atheists win right to distribute literature after schools give Bibles on: April 08, 2014, 03:43:34 PM
maybe i am misunderstanding.

he used the word "often" and the first actual example he provides is a obsolete theory hundreds if not thousands of years old.  

Bum, did you mean outdated theories or modern theories or both?

another question would be when did the modern scientific method as describe originate?

And does it even involve faith?

btw - did you ever claim a personal view that "life began on day 1"

did I miss that somewhere on this thread

no scientist that I'm aware of thinks that "life" started on "day 1" of anything (big bang, "day 1" of earth, etc..)
62  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Tennessee atheists win right to distribute literature after schools give Bibles on: April 08, 2014, 03:23:56 PM

"Spontaneous generation is an obsolete body of thought on the ordinary formation of living organisms without descent from similar organisms."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_generation

Seems like science has evolved past this.....maybe because some of its roots are from the time of Aristotle?  .....when much wasn't using the scientific process we know today...not one that was applied to in the 1600-1700's.  lol

Can you come up with a more current "Modern" example that shows:

Can you show a modern scientific theory that use faith?

Spontaneous generation is what the biblical creation myth is all about

maybe that's why Bum is so hung up on it
63  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Tennessee atheists win right to distribute literature after schools give Bibles on: April 08, 2014, 03:03:08 PM
I was the one who asked a trick question, not you.  But I answered your question.  The theories that claim to be scientific regarding the origin of life on earth are really not scientific, because they do not follow the accepted methods of scientific analysis.  

For example, the theory of spontaneous generation has not been established through (1) observation; (2) hypothesis formulation; (3) prediction; and (4) testing of predictions.  

Anyone who believes that life on earth began on day 1 through spontaneous generation has a "belief that is not based on proof."  The quoted portion comes from the definition of "faith" that you posted.  


So you or anyone else can try and characterize it any way you want, but at the end of the day, that theory (and every other theory about origin of life) is not based on proof.  

But you haven't answered the question: what is your belief about how life began on day 1?  

other than you attributing this claim to others, I don't recall seeing anyone having ever made that claim so why do you keep repeating it

Even you own goofy creation fable doesn't have life beginning on Day 1

BTW - kind of strange that God would make earth first and then created the sun, moon and stars

also odd that he would make plants before making the sun but then I guess he had his reasons?

no mention of dinosaurs either but I guess he just forgot to mention it when he was writing the bible

Quote
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was empty, a formless mass cloaked in darkness. And the Spirit of God was hovering over its surface. Then God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. And God saw that it was good. Then he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light "day" and the darkness "night." (NLT, Genesis 1:1-5)

That was the first day of God's creation.

On the second day, God created the sky.

On the third day, God created the land, the oceans and all the plants.

On the fourth day, God created the sun, moon and stars.

On the fifth day, God created the birds, fishes and other sea creatures.

On the sixth day, God created all the land animals and people.

On the seventh day, God rested:

By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done. (NIV, Genesis 2:2-3)
64  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: If you make $50k a year... on: April 08, 2014, 01:19:55 PM
dunno... I have looked at a few different sources - Corp subsidies definitely *at least* double what is being paid in welfare, by the most friendly terms... but once they start changing what entitlements means, that welfare number can be pared down.  No disputing we give more to corp subsidies than we do entitlements to people.  that can't be disputed.  The difference between them fluctuates and can be defined in diff ways, and I suspect people will focus on that gap... instead of arguing the main point that we give way more to corporations than we do people that live here.

I'm all about slashing welfare up... but i'd like to equally slash what companies are getting.  Why tax people, to give it to companies?  reduce taxes and the companies will make the $ from actual spending increases.

where did you find this image?

what website?
65  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Benghazi on: April 07, 2014, 04:36:41 PM
So why did O-T W I N K try to cover it up?

feel free to post some legitimate proof of any cover up (hint - if you're just going tonpost your usual horse shit then don't waste your time)
66  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Snitch... Treason? on: April 07, 2014, 02:51:25 PM
Sharpton is racist, homophobic and antisemitic.  He's incited riots and arson.  He has blood on his hands.  Being accused of treason would be the least of his infractions.

damn, sounds like he should be part of the Republican party with a resume like that
67  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Snitch... Treason? on: April 07, 2014, 02:29:43 PM
I wouldn't put it past him for a second.

well as long as you're making shit up out of thin air they why not have some imagination

why not a reptilian shapeshifter from another dimension

68  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Snitch... Treason? on: April 07, 2014, 02:22:09 PM
Re-read genius. I'm not going to repeat myself.

you're really going to go with

"why wouldn't treason be counted out?"

is that actually how your brain works

seriously?
69  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Snitch... Treason? on: April 07, 2014, 02:16:33 PM
Actually the left are certified morons. Did you notice the ? mark there straw? After dishonest act that Sharpton has done his life along with being a racist (not just throwing that word out there. He really is) his lies, defrauding, raping among a ton of other accusations, why wouldn't treason be counted out? After all, he is the extreme left and like 99.9% of the extreme left, he hates America. But once again, your morals choose to defend this clown. Think about it, it makes you no better than him.

try paying attention dumbass and stop asking stupid questions (yes, I know you can't actually help it)

if you want to answer for Joe then feel free to explain the "treason"? question in the title

I searched the document and didn't see it mentioned anywhere



now, how about you explain why you put the question of "treason" in the title

are you really so confused that you don't actually know what treason means?
70  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Snitch... Treason? on: April 07, 2014, 01:46:23 PM
Im not responding to your lib gibberish

I know you're a certified moron but since you're the one that chose to reply back to a question that I asked to Joe then I assumed you actually understood the question

71  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Benghazi on: April 07, 2014, 01:39:34 PM
New testimony from former CIA deputy director Michael Morell insinuates he was protecting Hillary and Obama? Huh

The real coverup though, is what was going on at that embassy? Huh

Why cant anyone track down some of these attackers and interrogate them? Shouldn't be to hard to find them?


Sorry about all the question marks... lol

great post as usual

no links, or even any quotes
72  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Snitch... Treason? on: April 07, 2014, 01:38:43 PM
snitches end up in ditches

so par for the course

no answer as usual
73  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Snitch... Treason? on: April 07, 2014, 01:13:03 PM
LOL 
You leftist clowns just can give it up can you?

if you want to answer for Joe then feel free to explain the "treason"? question in the title

I searched the document and didn't see it mentioned anywhere

74  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Snitch... Treason? on: April 07, 2014, 12:09:44 PM

treason?

was Scooter Libby, Karl Rove or Dick Cheney mentioned in that article?
75  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Jindal on Obamacare sign-ups: So what on: April 05, 2014, 04:52:01 PM
"So what" is all that Republican can say now that ACA has hit its original targets

Too bad for the hundreds of thousands of poor people in Louisiana that their governor would prefer they suffer and die (and I'm sure Jindal pretends to be a Pro-Life Christian too) just so he can score ideological points with the right wing in his party

Looks like Alan Grayson was correct that the Republican health care plan is ....1. Don't get Sick and 2. and if you get sick then Die Quickly

Medicaid expansion kicks off, but Louisiana residents being left out: Editorial

By The Editorial Board, NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune
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on January 01, 2014 at 6:58 AM, updated January 01, 2014 at 11:19 AM

As of Jan. 1, hundreds of thousands of low-income Americans who lacked health insurance are newly eligible for Medicaid. Twenty-five states and the District of Columbia agreed to take part in the expansion of the federal health care program for the poor under the Affordable Care Act. Not Louisiana.

So the more than 242,000 uninsured Louisiana residents who likely could benefit from the new coverage aren't getting a chance to do so. That is a shame.

Those families won't get the relief that having health coverage could bring. They will still have to worry about whether they can afford to see a doctor - and may delay getting care until they have to go to an emergency room. That is a difficult way to live and is not a route to good health.

It is not smart for the state, either. The federal government is paying 100 percent of the cost of the expansion for the first three years. A new study by WalletHub found that Louisiana will lose out on $2.58 in funding for each $1 in federal taxes that state residents will pay for the expansion in other states. The study also ranked Louisiana third -- with $2,091.14 -- in savings residents would get from reduced out-of-pocket expenses if Gov. Jindal approved the Medicaid expansion.

A previous study by the Commonwealth Fund showed that Louisiana will lose out on $1.65 billion in federal dollars in 2022 alone. The federal government will be paying 90 percent of the cost of the Medicaid expansion that year. If the state agreed to the expansion, its share of the cost for that year would be $280 million.

Gov. Jindal has said that Louisiana can't afford even that amount of matching money. But the Commonwealth Fund study pointed out that the state's share for Medicaid would be a small fraction of the $2.2 billion Louisiana is projected to spend on incentives to attract private business in 2022.

"No state that declines to expand the program is going to be fiscally better off" because of that decision, said Sherry Glied, one of the authors of the report.

The sting for Louisianians is that their federal taxes will help pay for uninsured residents in other states to take advantage of the health coverage. Not only that, but the state will lose out on new jobs.

An estimated 15,600 new jobs in health care and other fields are predicted for Louisiana if the state accepts the money, according to a study by Families USA and the Louisiana Consumer Healthcare Coalition. That would have a major impact on our economy.

Overall, Louisiana would get almost $16 billion in new health care dollars under the expansion.

Expanding Medicaid is most important, of course, because it is the best way to provide health care coverage to tens of thousands of poor Louisianians who lack insurance. These are people who earn too much money for Medicaid under the old formula but can't afford to buy a policy and aren't covered at their jobs. Many of them also don't qualify for other provisions of the Affordable Care Act. The Kaiser Family Foundation says there are 242,150 Louisiana residents in those circumstances.

Gov. Jindal has remained stubbornly opposed to the Medicaid expansion, despite the benefits to Louisiana residents and to the state's economy.

Other conservative governors realized the expansion would good for their states, even though they opposed President Obama's Affordable Care Act. Ohio Gov. John Kasich, Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder and Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Corbett -- all Republicans - are taking the Medicaid money.

At least 1.5 million Americans in those and other states have enrolled in Medicaid or the federal Children's Health Insurance Program since Oct. 1, according to a recent report from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.

Even though the expansion goes into effect today, Louisiana can still opt in. At this point, the state would have to wait several months to get the new benefits, but it would be the smart thing to do.

It also would be the humane thing to do. Leaving thousands of uninsured Louisianians in the lurch when it would be so easy to help them is unconscionable.

http://www.nola.com/opinions/index.ssf/2014/01/medicaid_expansion_kicks_off_b.html

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