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1  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Usain Bolt claims 700lb squat!! on: August 18, 2014, 08:55:32 PM
Most all top sprinters squat. Including Bulgarian squats, step-ups and other one legged versions, and with heavy weight.  Most all track & field athletics also. Any of their weight programs include heavy ham, lower back work and weighted ab . Ben Johnson was squatting around the 500lb range if I remember correctly, when in was on top of his game (juiced or not)..

Far as Bolt's 700lb squat goes, not likely. Though he may support a loaded bar off a PR...some will do that and take a slight break at the knees.

Back in the 50's the open secret of how the Russians (even the women) dominated so many Olympic events was weight training. American coaches use to think that would cause an athletic to become muscle bound so no such training for them.  Those injected sports "vitamin's" given by Russian doctor was maybe the really "big secret", along with weight training, for the Russian athletes.. Funny how the women Russian athletes would grow facial hair, take on masculine qualities and develop a deep voice with these "vitamin" injections.
2  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Logs and Info / Re: JPM101 current training on: August 14, 2014, 08:58:57 AM
Just to note:

Any programs described here are the ones I have done in the past and present. Used also by the men I have trained with doing the same programs. Not meant for anyone as how to train, that's a personal choice each of us make. If finding a strict style, with full ROM, works for your...than great. Finding a looser, cheat or partial rep style works for you, than great.  

BB'ing may be considered a experimental effort. Discovering what works for you body may require adjustments in workouts and training ideas. One method never fits everyone same goals.  20 reps will do for you what 5 reps will not and 5 reps will do for you what 20 reps will not. . Just have to find what works for you, which is usually some where in the middle. My view only, but BB'ers are the most inventive breed in all of weight training

These are only reference training styles not generally seen in BB'in magazines, video's or training books. Anything from GVT, partials, Rest/Pause, 20 rep breathing squats/cleans/DL's, bumper SLDL's, lockout training, interval training,etc.. Also different rep and set schemes  (funny how so many great styles and programs are lost or forgotten over the years when it comes to weight training). This is all stuff I picked up when working out with better, bigger and stronger men than I. I am no better, or worse, than anyone else on GB..maybe just have a bit more gym time and contact with more experience weight men starting in my teenage years.

 I am also somewhat into lifting history, from old time European beer hall strongman lifters to the present.  Those European strongmen were unbelievable in their raw drugs, no diet, no healthful  living...just beer and lots of food. All wiht solid weight, or shot loaded, bars & kettle DB's.

Good Luck

Side Bar: the press from the starting position of the bar on the shoulders is the weaker position. The stronger position, of the overhead press, is the bar being lockout overhear, with a 2 to 3 inch range of motion. Same with the BP, where the strongest position is at the top lockout of 2 to 3 inches. If your best bench is 300 for 5-6 reps, you should be able to handle near the 400lbs range for a 2 to 3 inch lockout. Handling extra heavy weight can make you extra strong.

3  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Logs and Info / Re: JPM101 current training on: August 13, 2014, 09:30:51 PM
Montague.....Yeah Buddy!

One of the other ways to used partials, with is the press off pins (power rack). Haven't done these in years, but very rewarding. More for power, but shoulder thickness did improve quite noticeably. Had to buy a larger size shirt.

 From the normal starting position for the overhead press, from a PR, squat rack. etc.: Rather than pressing all the way  overhead,  press to where the elbows are a bit above a 90 degree angle, with the bar a bit above the top of the head. That's roughly  a half way press. Lower the bar and repeat with another rep., etc, etc, etc..The workload. and tension, should remain on the shoulder girdle (delts/traps and also the triceps) throughout.  Can position another set of pins (if you have a PR) to stop the bar from going any higher than slightly above the head, it that suits you better.

Lots of other ways to use partial reps for overhead press and benches. But the above will have the focus on increasing muscular size for BB'ing. I have also used the Press Behind The Neck in these half PR style presses. Can adapt any of these pressing exercises to GVT.  Olympic lifters (so the story goes) used forms of GVT during off season (Europe mostly).

Good Luck

Good Luck.
4  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Logs and Info / Re: JPM101 current training on: August 12, 2014, 08:41:18 AM

Why yes...... bar lower on the shoulders, wide stance, bent knees and breaking about 3/4's of the way down. Actually seen guys doing heavy squats and winding up doing something like a GM'ing movement, which really wasn't planned in the first place.

Kind of a common movement in some heavier gyms, but something to adjusted with.  Seen the high 400's done in this style (but been told that others have used in the 500's) from quite a few guys.  I don't do many by the book exercise styles...... as you have presented in the pictures you offered. You know full ROM stuff, if your a purest.

These would be classified in the partial rep range of exercises. Which can be very helpful for most if they would just give it a try. Can call it corrupt, other call it a different and advanced way of training. Partials can work the strongest point of a lift as well as improving the weakest link of any lift. Doing Romanian DL's are another excellent power movement, which I add on occasion. As are bouncing SLDL's  (call BS again if told the weights, I and others use on that one).  I'm pretty much old school basic heavy stuff. Love the clang of plates, the thud of a bar hitting the floor, DB's being dropped........just love lifting heavy.

Good Luck.

Good Luck
5  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: Front squat pain on: August 11, 2014, 08:45:50 PM

Guess we kind of assumed you did that already.

Couple of places I worked at, there was a full size mirror in front of the squat rack/cage so common mistakes could be watched for.  Didn't think that would be much of a help at first...but actually kind of handy.

Good Luck.
6  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Logs and Info / Re: JPM101 current training on: August 10, 2014, 09:23:40 AM

Seeing as how lifting is just as much a mental effort, as a physical one, change does do a body good.

In theory, if a person did the basic squat, BB row and bench, 3 times a week, never ever approaching the point of failure. than all their personal potential for strength and size could be meant. All with keeping each workout short and to the point, with a basic 3 to 4 sets of 6-10 reps used. Adding small amounts of weight, to the bar, each week. Exercise science has the old principle of SAID  (Specific Adaption to Imposed Demands), a fancy term which can apply to this very well.

If humans were programmed like robots, than SAID would work, because robots are machines. Thankfully we are not. Being bored we become creative beast...the same old-same old is never enough, even it still might be working.

I'll change workouts every 8 to 10 weeks usually. Takes a couple of weeks just to get adjusted to a new training plan. I'm gone back to my personal bacic's with GVT and the squat and DB pullover & press.

Some guys have done arm work with GVT with good results. Movements like the BB curl or Skull Crushers seem to work well. As with the general principal of GVT, only one arm exercise in each workout. Keep the total workout with fewer exercise as possible.  GVT can be very taxing, so keep with the basic stuff. With my Squat, P&P I might add BB curls at the end.

I'm not a big fan of arm training for me. For anyone yourself. Arms never a problem. a genetic thing I guess. Remembering my father. and pictures of him, natural large arms.

Good luck to you.

7  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: Front squat pain on: August 10, 2014, 08:20:38 AM
Not an option for most, but some of my friends (and myself) have done front squats with just the bar resting on the delts/chest and the elbows raised high and arms (around 90 degrees) raised in front. Bar just cradles onto the delts, not really going anywhere.  So any grip is not needed when actually squatting.

Also done front squats with the bar hooked, or cradled, in the bend of the arms. More of a power lift than anything else. Take the bar from the floor or supports.......either way. Don't recommend this movement for the average trainee, advanced or not, but nice to try now and than..

Far as the grip goes, even with the bar on the finger tips, may have a slight carpal tunnel problem. Which, again, relates to nerve blockage. Could try regular hands flat on the ground push ups, as a warmup for the wrist, before front squats. Palm/hand stretches against a wall (also elbow stretches against a wall, door way, etc) There are also martial arts hand flex exercises for the wrist/hands. If you need straps, some very good suggestion by other guys here.

When racking the bar, a feeling of tightness and a jarring comes, suggest a lat/spine flexibility issue. Could apply to the wrist too. Try keeping the wrist warm also.

Good Luck.

8  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: biceps training video on: August 10, 2014, 07:30:31 AM
In my arrogance I though I knew something about bicep training. Not so...this bicep training video has opened my eye like never before

Thanks for sharing and Good Luck.
9  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Logs and Info / Re: JPM101 current training on: August 09, 2014, 09:55:01 AM
Current workout:

1) Squats (breaking just below the knees...butt touching a box)

GVT....10 X 10's     120 seconds between sets

2)   DB Pullover & Press

GVT....10 X 10's     90 to 120 seconds between sets.

Use a stop watch and keep a training journal, which I learned about from very experienced lifters during my early years. Can learn a lot from mistakes, and benefits, from written down past training sessions.

GVT is using a relative moderate weight, and the same weight for all the sets. The mental attitude & focus can be just as important as the physical effort. Another benefit, very joint friendly with the focus being on muscle action and lesser on the joints. Twice a week, with at least 3 days between workouts.

Good Luck.
10  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: pretty helpful video on shoulder health on: August 09, 2014, 09:06:24 AM

One of the most informative video's I have even watched, that includes at strength clinics, sports training workshops, etc, etc, etc.. Couldn't tear myself away for a moment. Ranks right up there with most of the other informative(?) videos shown on GB.

Thanks again.
11  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: Front squat pain on: August 09, 2014, 08:59:17 AM
Of course I might ask if front squats are a new added exercise or have you been doing them for a while? If having done them in the past, did you experience the same problem? Assuming that both sides of the lats are affected, and not one side over the other? (anything to get Chaos back to his 625lbs 5X20 front squat program again)

Yes, flexibility has a lot to do with the performance of front squats. The triceps (which influences the elbows) also have a lot to do with the holding of the bar.Tight triceps limit of how high the elbows can be raised while holding a bar and getting a well anchored also noted above.   You should never have to use straps or any other device when holding the front squat position. There are a few exceptions for men with a limited ROM and flexibility due to body structure and genetics.

Also might suggest the shoulder girdle may be too tight (not uncommon among BB'ers/lifters...who may think they have no problem in that area). Tight shoulders/traps can lead to some nerve blockage of pathways, causing discomfort and pain. Something to consider when warming up for any exercise. If only one side of the lats....possible nerve blockage.

Massage, Rolfing/Sports massage, with the focus on the traps/neck and shoulder could help. Even spinal adjustments, from the lower back to the neck may help. Think that if most lifters visited their local chiropractor or massage therapist, at least twice a year, some potential problems could be reduced. Traps/neck are the main junction of the nerve pathways, so very important area to take good care of.

Good Luck

12  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: How's my back? on: August 06, 2014, 09:06:34 AM
K.I.S.S.  approach to back workouts.

1)  DL's ..starting from around the knee area. Need a PR, boxes, platforms, etc for this one.

If into BB'ing, really no need to start DL's from the floor. If into PL'ing, than starting from the floor is a must. Some guy's are just not designed for doing this exercise,  but taking the weight from around knee height reduces the excess strain on the lower back and the knee's (for the most part) are out of the way from the actual bar's path.

2)  BB Hi-pull. This is the power version, where the bar is taken of the PR, boxes, etc, etc..  Bar positioned from around the the knees/lower quads.  

Cleans are ranked up their with Hi-pulls, but I find too many guy's have trouble learning this simple movement...and injuries happen. Keeping it within the class of  K.I.S.S...only suggesting the Hi-pulls. If wanting to experiment with cleans, that will be up to you. Both exercises are worth the time and effort. Cleans will require a bit more flexibility, quickness and timing, which sits well with athlete  and guys generally into sports. You shouild be ably to improve you game, whatever that may be.

Though DL's and Hi-pulls are considered power/strength movements. they both can be applied to BB'ing quite well. Don't have to use massive weight in either movement, for BB'ing moderate works well for most. Might suggest 3X7-10 for each exercise. Both can give depth and thickness to the whole of the back. As well as influencing the delts/traps strongly.

As far as back/lat width is concern, that most certainly can be improved. But if you frame is of the average or narrower structure, those exceptional wider lats is not going to happen. Just a quality that some are born with, a wide body frame (as they say in football & basketball). Some outstanding Pro's have overcome poor genetic structures to develop exceptional total back development.

Good Luck

13  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: for all you "20-30 rep squats" people, how much weight do you actually use? on: August 05, 2014, 08:56:35 AM
Nurmom is correct.

For classic BB'ing it's never about the weight, but how much blood is brought  into a muscle. Moderate weight (even light baby weights considered by some), higher reps  and more sets at a faster pace. All equal volume and the goal of increased muscle size. Basic idea being, that strength will increase as muscle size increases. ...strength will follow size.Though, in the real training world, not always true.

For power BB'ing, more weight, lower reps and fewer sets. With more rest between sets. The goal is developing strength and muscle mass. The basic theory being that more weight used in exercises, the larger muscle size is developed....muscle size will follow strength advances.  Though again, in the real training world, not always true.

Got to explore what works best for you...usually some where in the middle. 20 reps will do for you what 5 reps won't and 5 reps will do for you what 20 reps won't. Take your pick, it's your body to experiment on.

Higher reps, for the most part, seem to give better results to the larger muscle structures, like legs and back. Speaking of squats and DL's here. BB Hack squats also fit in well here, thinking of it as a form of a reverse DL and hitting the legs better.

In this regard, 20 rep(or above) breathing squats are one of the better and faster ways to develop muscle size and strength in training. Higher reps breathing squats are a form of the rest/pause system of training. Just a personal opinion..but a true mass builder for a lot of guys over the years  (me included).

Good Luck.
14  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: The Clean and Press with Dumbbells on: July 28, 2014, 08:54:11 AM
An interesting added benefit when including DB C&P's (at times only DB cleans) is that guy's find it easier to lift and to put into position a pair of DB's when doing heavier DB benches or inclines. Not that much of a struggle as it had been in the past....spending time worrying if you can get the DB's up and ready for the actually bench press.

Seen guy's practice DB cleans sitting on a bench. A guy from Italy, I once knew, did DB C&P while sitting flat on he floor, legs stretch way out. Pretty powerful guy, at the tome.

Good Luck.
15  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: The Clean and Press with Dumbbells on: July 28, 2014, 08:16:43 AM
The DB Clean & Press might prove too much of a challenge for a lot of men.  It's a learning exercise, in that time is needed to learn to do it the right way. That and a few are just not coordinated (athletic abilities) enough, which can most always be improved with practice (the more reps you do, the better you should be in about everything in lifting). This movement requires balance, quickness and timing, which can be improved by most. If you spend way too much time working with machines, using DB's may require that much more time to adjust to.

If interested, might suggest a very light pair of DB's, if starting out with this exercise. Going for higher rep, the C&P can prove a very good cardio movement..simply because the whole body will be involved in the lift...from the floor to overhead. Try doing one arm at a time while learning the DB C&P, to get used to the physical mechanics of the movement is another method used. More focus on each arm.

Another common way to do the C&P is to have the DB's resting on a bench/box/platform. Can power clean the DB's into position at shoulder height and than press overhead. There is also the DB Clean & Jerk, demanding more of a athletic effort. Either way, a great exercise to develop power, timing and quickness. Along with improved muscular development.

Good Luck.
16  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Today's Veterans wear it like a badge whereas our forefathers kept quiet on: July 23, 2014, 07:48:46 AM
Wow...remember that Steppenwolf clip from years ago...still classic.  The Pusher was one of their other great songs ..Magic Carpet Ride, etc..

The Doors "The End", background tract , from Apocalypse Now...another war related classic.  Get the uncut version of Apocalypse Now, well worth it. Brando, Sheen...outstanding.
17  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Today's Veterans wear it like a badge whereas our forefathers kept quiet on: July 22, 2014, 04:56:34 PM
To whom it may concern:

No I have never been attached to any military unit, active duty or otherwise.  The current US military is on a volunteer enlistment bases.  

One of my best friends jointed the 101st Airborne, Ft Campbell, Ky. In was in the "100 hour war" in Iraqi in 1991, without a scratch. Heard all about that first person. Later died in a unrelated accident from his Airborne unit. Don't know of too many around Oceanside/Carlsbad who actually would join the US marines....among my circle of friend, anyway....just saying.

But the marine spirit and fighting record, on the Pacific islands, were truly brave and beyond the call of normal duty. Some military historians consider Japan as having a equal to, or worse than, war crimes history than even the Germans. What they did in China alone...unbelievable.
18  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Today's Veterans wear it like a badge whereas our forefathers kept quiet on: July 22, 2014, 08:46:35 AM
I grew up next to Camp Pendleton, the largest Marine base in the US.The core becomes more like a family unit to them than maybe their real family. I give respect to them as a fighting unit, but watching them stumble around Oceanside, Carlsbad, San Diego and TJ, when their off duty and have leave, is almost embarrassing. A brotherhood in battle, by all base, do and get involved in some pretty stupid things.

The older hash marked marines are actually pretty cool, it's getting over the "we can kick the worlds ass" younger marines attitude driven into them. Guess that comes with age. A small percentage of marines actually see combat in a war zone. The marines vets who do will usually have sealed lip about any serious action they were involve in. Nothing like combat to make one understand that they are human after all. Lot of older active, or retired, marines are into Tri events down here.  Seems to reduce stress quite a bit for them.

Also acquainted with a few active and retired SEALS. Cool guy's, for the most part, but a totally different breed of men.   Keep it close to the vest about most of their military experiences.  Sorry to say, very hard to keep a marriage, or serous relationship, together for any length of time.

WWII men ...probably the most deserved and respected vet's of any American generation. They looked upon their war time service as an act of duty, something that was expected from them. Like, "nothing to talk about here, let's move on" attitude.  God and country for these guys....most respect to them.

(history tells us that England has been invaded by Germanic tribes, as well by Gauls, many, many times.  Often wondered why America though it's need to send troops into action over there. England was never any great friend of America since King George III and before)

19  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: Traps with Back or shoulders ? on: July 20, 2014, 09:53:30 AM
Actually I don't think it really makes that much of a difference. The Traps are a part of the shoulder girdle and also the upper-mid back area, a pivot point for shoulder or back work. The Traps diamond shape is quite functional in either case, it's like holding or linking those two muscle groups together.

You are never going to isolate any muscle group from another, anyhow. Some work traps with shoulders, others with back...your choice. BB'ers tend to over think (or under think) fairly simple exercises protocols If one or the other works best for you, than keep doing it that way.  Or until something better might come along.

Shrugs are the purest form of a direct trap exercise.  The old Hise shrug, perhaps #1 in that regard. Guy's also used the old style calf machine, with the yoke placed on the shoulders, and did shrugging that way...another version of the Hise shrug. Hi-pulls, with a wider grip, an excellent trap movement, as well as hitting the lateral and rear delts, lats/back and biceps. Cleans ranks a close second (my view only).

One of the better mass building compound exercises to hit the traps and back/shoulder area is the BB row & Hi-pull (heard it called different names in different gyms).  Starting with a regular BB row, the bar is raised to about knee height. At that point the upper body begins to slowly raise into a standing position, while the bar is still traveling upwards. At the near  standing position, the bar is being pulled waist high. At a full standing position, continue the pull until the bar is somewhere between the naval and lower rib.

Lower the bar and repeat for 6-9 reps of 2 or 3 sets.  Always keep the bar close to the body when doing this exercise. Almost touching the body actually. Can work up to some very impressive weight with this exercise, the byproduct being more muscle mass.

Good Luck.
20  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / History - Stories - and Memories / Re: bill pearl tribute thread on: July 16, 2014, 08:37:14 PM
Option D.......There still a gym on Manchester that use to be where Pearl's original gym What's there now, one of those chain gyms?

Heard Pearl moved out after the Watt's riots..around 65 or 66. Settle in Pasadena off of Colorado Blvd. Only hear good stories about Pearl...his brother was another story all together. 

South Central and Watt's used to have some pretty big and bad lifters back in the day....probably still true.
21  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: What's so special about Vince Girondas physique? on: July 13, 2014, 09:14:30 AM
The special thing about Gironda's physique was that there was nothing special about any body part., nothing stood out or seems out of place.  Everything just seems to balance and have harmony together. More of a classic type of body. Would guess the average man on the street would rather look like Gironda than the mass monsters of today.Of course with younger men, it's all about muscle mass (usually pumped or the bloated look). Older, and experience men, understand BB'ing is about the importance of the aesthetic look. When there is flow and harmony from one body part to another. He did very well for a smaller light boned man. Not sure of his bwt, back in his era, but guessing around 155-160...some of the old times maybe could answer that?

Gironda stressed delts/shoulder width, narrow waist and calves. It was all about illusion of width and the standout development of the calves. Think his flaw was not understand the importance of well developed abs that can be important in a classic look.. Traps distracted from the illusion of shoulder with, so were avoided, I had been told.

Never meet Mr. Gironda (way before my time), but have know a few old timers who have. A couple worked out at his North Hollywood (or was that Studio City?) gym on Ventura. Married 3 or 4 times I believe and in later years had money and drinking problems. Alimony, support, etc. among the problems. If anything, he was very, very inventive with exercises and diets (no or zero carbs...meat/eggs). Still has a influence on modern day BB'ing. His course are worth a look, if only to get a sense of where he was coming from.
22  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: Traps on: July 03, 2014, 11:50:01 AM
You can go into a pre-exhaustion style starting with heavier shrugs first followed by hanging cleans/Hi-pulls right after (no rest). A nice mass builder for most. Some like to reverse that and do cleans/Hi-pulls first, than shrugs...your choice.

Some will use a wider grip when doing shrugs....collar to collar or close enough to the collars as you can.  Changing the hand spacing may make a difference and can get a totally new feel/stretch to the exercise. Might start with a extra wide grip for a couple of sets, than middle and narrow (hands almost touching) for couple more sets each position.  Working on shrugs is a great way to improve the clean/hi-pull and Olympic lifts.

Using DB's can also affect the traps, as far as size and power go. I favor the one are Hi-pull (DB) quite a bit over the years. Also one arm cleans. Seem to help the quickness and timing of the basic clean and everything else..

The two hand (from the floor) DB clean & press is one of the ultimate exercises around. Old time strongmen contest use to feature that lift. Can make or brake even the strongest of men. Try for 8-10 reps, it will also affect the cardio greatly.

Good Luck.
23  Getbig Main Boards / General Topics / Re: Why were there no negroes, hispanics or asians in the Beverly Hills90210 series? on: July 02, 2014, 01:04:19 PM
By class was referring to the economical status of some BH's citizens.

One persons financial class  (middle income, etc)is relative to which area they might live in. 50 thousand per year in BH's is low. 50 thousand per year in rural Mississippi (second longest word I learned to spell in school..the first was my family name..26 letters) might be considered high. Mississippi is the poorest state in the union.

Eastern edges of BH's might be considered as a poorer area, all thing being relative.
24  Getbig Main Boards / General Topics / Re: Why were there no negroes, hispanics or asians in the Beverly Hills90210 series? on: July 02, 2014, 09:20:19 AM
There are apartment building in BH's that serve less than affluent people.  Not talking Watt's lower class (though some parts of Watt's are fairly up sale middle class areas), talking BH's class.  As Mr. Anabolic seems to be on the upper scale of finances, he's entitled to his own views. Mr. Anavolic also seems to fall into the ultra rich class..God bless him for that.

As said before, quite a few folks sacrifice high rents, or leases, just for that zip number. And are living beyond their means when most of their money goes for rents. It's all about appearances in that part of LA...most of LA actually. So again, BH is not totally rich, another urban myth.
25  Getbig Main Boards / General Topics / Re: Why were there no negroes, hispanics or asians in the Beverly Hills90210 series? on: July 02, 2014, 08:48:15 AM
Worked on little Santa Monica blvd in the early 90's. Saw more than enough Iranians and Saudi's , very into gold jewelry at that time, driving big buck benz's along Wilshire & Redeo. Also Jewish, so pretty much middle eastern influence. A few token blacks, though mostly very hot black women...usually some rich white man's current toy. Jewish men seem attracted to black or Asian women...I know I am and I'm not Jewish. The rich from Japan were there, put keeping a low profile..their nature I guess.

Never watch BH90210, so know nothing about the show. Beverly Hills is not totally rich. Some middle class, to lower class, living there. That zip code 90210 is highly valued by some people and will pay extra on rent, or a lease, even if the can't afford it, just to have that zip #.

I live with my uncles, above Melrose, at that time. Took a few weekend jobs there about 10 years ago, so BH's may have changed a bit..but I doubt it.
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