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7876  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Pet Board / Re: Ron, give us the Pet Board on: March 29, 2007, 08:08:55 PM
There's allready a Pets board.

It's called Nutrition, Products & Supplements.

Hope this helps.

Whatchu talkin 'bout

7877  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Pet Board / Re: The Pet Board on: March 29, 2007, 08:07:52 PM
Ok - will take a look seriously tonight at it, and put it up - we will see where it goes - help us all...


 Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

7878  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: A RECENT MEMBERS Consultation with LEE HANEY on: March 29, 2007, 07:48:36 PM
No.  You do not need to supplement a regular diet at all.

There was a recent study that implicates Multi-Vitamins with various health problems and a Greater Death Risk, notably a shortening of lifespan.  Further studies are coming as a result.  Seems to be pretty interesting.

Vitamin supplements linked to early death

28th February 2007, 9:45 WST


Millions of people who take antioxidant supplements such as beta carotene and vitamins A and E may be putting their lives at risk rather than improving their health, according to a major review.
And a separate study has warned using supplements and complementary medicines to boost fertility may have the opposite effect.
Danish researchers suspect that by eliminating harmful free radicals in the body, anti-oxidants might interfere with essential defensive mechanisms and cause toxic reactions.
Writing in the Journal of the American Medical Association, doctors from Copenhagen University Hospital warn their findings contradict claims that anti-oxidant supplements improve health.
Their analysis of several studies into the effects of the supplements found vitamin A products increased the risk of death 16 per cent, while beta carotene and vitamin E increased the risk of death by 7 per cent and 4 per cent respectively.
But they said the jury was still out on whether vitamin C had a positive or negative effect on life expectancy
“Considering that 80-160 million people in North America and Europe consume these supplements, the public health consequences may be substantial,” the researchers warned. “Beta carotene, vitamin A and vitamin E, given singly or combined with other anti-oxidant supplements significantly increase mortality.”
Complementary Healthcare Council executive director Tony Lewis said it would review the findings but it appeared the research was based on high-level dosages not allowed in Australia.
“In Australia these products are regulated as medicines, so there are tight controls. The findings might not have the same relevance for us as for others,” he said.
In another shock finding, Australian fertility experts believe couples may actually be reducing their chances of having a baby by taking multivitamins and herbs.
Writing in the Australian and New Zealand Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, they warn couples trying to have a baby to make sure they tell their doctor if they are taking alternative remedies because they can reduce the chances of conceiving.
Researcher Marcin Stankiewicz, from the Flinders Medical Centre, said he did not want to deter couples from using alternative therapies but it was important to document their use so doctors could study the effects on conception.
Dr Roger Hart, a reproductive medicine specialist at the University of WA and medical director of the Fertility Specialists of WA, said while the value of taking folate before conception to prevent birth defects was well known, the benefits of other complementary medicines remained unproved.

We've been over this one before.

The report relates only to synthetic supplements and not to fruits and vegetables in everyday diets which are natural and contain less concentrated levels of antioxidants, said the study from the Centre for Clinical Intervention Research at Denmark's Copenhagen University Hospital.

It said the increased death risk is about 5 per cent higher than those not given supplements and that figure is probably conservative.  It was reported the study found Vitamin A was the worst offender, raising the death risk by 17 per cent.

The finding drew fire from critics who said it was flawed and based largely on studies of people who were already chronically ill before they were treated with the supplements.

While the review did not pinpoint any biochemical mechanism that may be behind the increased death risk, it may be that "by eliminating free radicals from our organism, we interfere with some essential defensive mechanisms," the study concluded.

Antioxidants are believed to fight free radicals, atoms or groups of atoms formed in such a way that they can cause cell damage.

"Beta carotene, vitamin A, and vitamin E given singly or combined with other antioxidant supplements significantly increase mortality," the study found.

It also found no evidence that vitamin C increases longevity and though selenium tended to reduce mortality, more research is needed on that topic.

Balz Frei, director of the Linus Pauling Institute at Oregon State University, said the study and the data studied are both flawed because more than two-thirds of the previous research that was examined involved people with heart disease, cancer or other risks who were being treated to see if the supplements worked.

"This kind of approach does not work," he said. "Over the years it has become clear from these clinical trials that antioxidants don't work in disease treatment."

The Complementary Healthcare Council (CHC), which represents the industry in Australia, said the results were based on old data and included trials which allowed doses of vitamins not accepted in Australia.

CHC executive director Tony Lewis would not comment on the study's claims but said the evidence was "weak".

7879  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: cutting question on: March 29, 2007, 07:19:09 PM
why is it that i only see results sparaticly?  like im cutting right now, and i stay to my diet and see nothing for weeks. then out of no where i wake up and its like 5lbs of fat just melted off me.  then i keep on my diet see no little changes at all, then another huge difference like month it supposed to be like that?

Im not going by the scale, but by noticeable differences in the way my core feels and looks, and the cuts inbetween muscles

Very common, even moreso in women.
7880  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: calorie question on: March 29, 2007, 07:14:43 PM
about how many calories a day should you be getting while lifting? because i consume alot of calories through out the day and want to know about what i should be getting

Joe, 'comon now  Roll Eyes  That's like asking "how much gas should I put in my car a week?  I drive a lot"
7881  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: THE MOST BRUTAL PIECE OF CARDIO EQUIPMENT IS....................... on: March 28, 2007, 01:06:32 PM
the Stepmill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! discuss.

The only problem I have with the stepmill is the steps aren't deep enough to get your whole foot on, so then you end up either on your toes/balls of your feet, which hit the calves a lot OR stepping on it bow-legged.
7882  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Ezikiel Bread on: March 28, 2007, 12:43:24 PM
I know Cutler swears by this stuff does anybody have any macronutrient breakdown of a serving. 

I usually NEVER eat bread while dieting for a show (gluten=water retention) however this stuff might be great and easy to prepare.

Are you going to make your own or buy it?

It's usually found in the freezer case in the natural / organic section.

 "Take also unto thee Wheat, and Barley, and beans, and lentils, and millet, and Spelt, and put them in one vessel, and make bread of it..."Ez 4:9
7883  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Prohormones? on: March 27, 2007, 09:08:20 PM
wrong info given by a moderator priceless!!!! actually the first generation prohormones were pulled from shelves jan 20- 2005. that was the last day to be able to buy them legally.  but they released the best stuff after the ban such as superdrol and ergomax and halodrol-50. so you can still buy these legally and they are way better than any of the 1st generation prohormones.

The ban WAS in '04 and (perhaps the "the last day to buy") was in Jan. '05.  They did the same thing with ephedra.  Superdrol is not a prohormone.  It is a steroid, designer steroid, prosteroid - whatever you want to call it.   It's an active compound, not like a prohormone which needs to convert to the active compound within the body first.  It has been discontinued by the manufactuer and it's also illegal to sell. Ergomax and Halodrol-50 have also been discontinued.

you can still buy these legally

Let us know where.
7884  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: Deconditoning? on: March 27, 2007, 08:35:51 PM
A week is not a decondition, much less 2 days.  Look into how to deload properly.
7885  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Prohormones? on: March 27, 2007, 08:08:14 PM
Prohormones were banned in '04
7886  Getbig Main Boards / General Topics / Freezing your credit on: March 27, 2007, 07:32:39 PM
Feb 19, 2007 -- ID theft still No. 1 complaint to FTC
Identity theft remains the No. 1 fraud complaint at the Federal Trade Commission. In fact, it accounts for about 40 percent of all the complaints they receive. Why? It’s low on the priority list with the authorities and it’s a very difficult crime to investigate. Also, judges tend to look at ID theft as no big deal because no one gets hurt physically. Convicted ID thieves don’t go to jail for very long and they often never get caught. So, in the case of ID theft, the phrase, “Crime doesn’t pay,” doesn’t apply. Yet, it’s so detrimental to the victim. It’s even worse when the unsuspecting innocent victim is hauled off to jail because someone stole his or her identity. What everyone seems to miss is that ID theft is preventable, especially in the more than 20 states that allow “credit freezing.” When you freeze your credit, you get a secret code that allows you to freeze and thaw your credit. So, even if a criminal steals your identity, he can’t do anything if your credit is frozen. About 2 million people can freeze their credit right now, but only about 100,000 have taken advantage of it. Sometimes it costs money and sometimes it’s free. But it’s worth looking into. The states where you can freeze your credit are listed below. The rest of the states are considering starting credit freeze laws, which is good news. Let’s hope more catch on.

New Hampshire
New Jersey
New York
North Carolina
South Dakota
7887  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: The value of Peanut butter on: March 26, 2007, 08:24:51 PM
The chruncy natural stuff with no salt or sugar added is awsome on any diet,  mix it then refrigerate it and eat it straight from the jar. 

I'm taking your advice right now  Grin
7888  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Pet Board / Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK! on: March 26, 2007, 08:08:56 PM
Another sleeping dog
7889  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Perfect Pie while dieting (This can save life on pre contest mode) on: March 26, 2007, 12:03:32 PM
Jello usually requires milk, which has extra calories and carbs...

You're thinking of pudding, not JellO

8 egg white
1 scoop Vanilla whey
1 packet Sugar-carb free Jell-O (my favorite choice is citrus or strawberry)

1-mix the egg white with the whey powder until smooth.
2-bake in a pan like a pancake
3-put in a pie bowl

4-made the jell-o according to the package (in a big cereal bowl) same size as the pancake

5-when frozen and ready , just put on the pancake

hummmmm delicious

200 cal
50 g proteins
2-4 g carbs (depending of your whey powder)
2-4 g fat (depending of your whey powder)

Undecided  Sounds like a weird combination
7890  Getbig Womens Area / Open Talk for Girl Discussion / Re: Best Suntan Lotion? on: March 25, 2007, 08:12:34 PM
well actually i remembered..its Tirosalen

if ya tell yer doc skin cancer runs in the family and you r vacationing near the equator he'll give ya a script ..and it'll make ya dark..

Before Using This Medicine

Trioxsalen is a very strong medicine that increases the skin’s sensitivity to sunlight. In addition to causing serious sunburns if not properly used, it has been reported to increase the chance of skin cancer and cataracts. Also, like too much sunlight, PUVA can cause premature aging of the skin. Therefore, trioxsalen should be used only as directed and it should not be used simply for suntanning.


I think I'll stick to the Maui Babe.  I bought some of that last time I was there but couldn't stand how it felt and threw it out.  I didn't know it was good stuff  Undecided  I guess I'll have to order online.
7891  Getbig Womens Area / Open Talk for Girl Discussion / Re: Best Suntan Lotion? on: March 24, 2007, 09:15:43 PM
I think Toxic is refering to Melanotan.

This is their site if you need any info on it.. Wink

This stuff is still in the experimental stages AND requires a needle  Lips sealed
I'm not ready to go that far ...
7892  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Pet Board / Re: Pet Board on: March 22, 2007, 07:58:34 PM
Ya Ron, hurry up!  We don't wanna see knny get ugly!
7893  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Pet Board / Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK! on: March 22, 2007, 07:40:45 PM
Rimadyl is a very good medicine for dogs that gotten older and stiffer in the joints. My oldest dog scooby is on Rimadyl and she's doing great while on it but once in a while we ran out of it and you immediately see a difference in strenght and endurance while taking walks outside..

I've heard that before from people whose dogs are on Rimadyl, however, I've also heard it's hard on the liver.   Did you ever consider glucosamine/chondroitin?
7894  Getbig Main Boards / General Topics / Have you ever been hit on on: March 21, 2007, 09:09:06 PM
by someone of the same sex?
7895  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Pet Board / Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK! on: March 21, 2007, 07:40:18 PM
Scout's been getting the Chicken Soup line.  He loves it.

Here's the ingredient list:

    Chicken, turkey, chicken meal, ocean fish meal, cracked pearled barley, whole grain brown rice, oatmeal, millet, white rice, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), potatoes, egg product, tomato pomace, duck, salmon, flaxseed, natural chicken flavor, choline chloride, dried chicory root, kelp, carrots, peas, apples, tomatoes, blueberries, spinach, dried skim milk, cranberry powder, rosemary extract, parsley flake, yucca schidigera extract, L-carnitine, Enterococcus faecieum, Lactobacillus casei, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Saccharomyces cerevesiae fermentation solubles, dried Aspergillus oryzae fermentation extract, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin, vitamin D supplement, folic acid.

7896  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: PISSED! on: March 21, 2007, 12:43:19 PM
did u read my post???  that was my goal...5lbs on deads each week...........then I'd be happy.....screw bodyweight...but i do think for me there will be a correlation....since ive been there before..

You're contradicting yourself again.

Canton/Columbus Ohio.....lets worry about that when I get there.....I need some serious help first!!  2 years is a loooooooong time to stick this diet out, keep increasing cals and to stay off the treadmill....

I don't care about getting stronger so I have no strength goals....just wanna look good naked!

I dont care if I can squat bench or dead four plates as long as I look like I can  3 meals down, time to go train then come back here to the office....I'll post when I get back bout 6ish........
7897  Getbig Womens Area / Open Talk for Girl Discussion / Re: Best Suntan Lotion? on: March 20, 2007, 06:51:29 PM
I  love the SMELL of the Hawaiian Tropic #4 coconut.

Smell doesn't produce color  Undecided
7898  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: BF growing? on: March 20, 2007, 06:49:17 PM
yupm....and u would too igf u kept posting that on every issues r minor compared bto you and a few  other low lifes happy.....can u say that?

Could you at least use spell check?

                                                     Huh  what did he say?
7899  Getbig Womens Area / Open Talk for Girl Discussion / Best Suntan Lotion? on: March 20, 2007, 03:33:58 PM
Looking for something new.  The basic stuff just doesn't seem to do it for me anymore.  I don't burn, but I don't get dark either.  I can wear a #4 on a tropical beach and not get burnt or dark, but I used to tan a lot better.  Part of it is age I'm sure, and I think some of it is due to diet and supplements.  I think antioxidants "protect" the skin.  Anyway, does anyone have a favorite that produces a nice glow?  Kiss
7900  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: cissus quadrangularis on: March 20, 2007, 02:26:20 PM
pity bump, nobodies tried this?

Try it and let us know  Wink

Seriously, what are you trying to accomplish with it?  Weight loss?  Looks like there might be some positive info on PubMed, but I don't have time to look into right now.
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