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8251  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: This Cold & Flu Season on: November 24, 2006, 01:50:56 PM
Thanx to "Uncle-Sam" I got a flu shot, took some echincea, garlic, vitamin C, and I am doing great this flu season. Also being stationed here in the Middle-East helps Huh Huh

Yah, I spoze you have a lot more important things to worry about  Embarrassed

Stay safe.
8252  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Can't take pictures in my gym on: November 24, 2006, 01:47:26 PM
Many gyms have adopted a "no photos, no cameras - no exceptions" policy.
8253  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: This Cold & Flu Season on: November 24, 2006, 08:24:28 AM
That document is full of "can, could, might and maybe's" when reality of the fact is, its available and why not take it given the chance. It seems over the course of the winter i get sick alot, probly 10 different  times. Ill get sick, get over it then 2 weeks later sick again.  This is the first time ive received the shot and ive been fine so far.
You can list con's all you want i could list the same about of pro's that would contain the same "can, could, might and maybe's"

Maybe you should practice the items highlighted in red and maybe you wouldn't get sick so much.

I don't think I've been sick that much in my entire life  Shocked
8254  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: SNAC System Supplement Company on: November 24, 2006, 08:21:43 AM
SNAC System, Inc. is a nutritional supplement company dedicated to bring scientific base products to the market.

They are fairly new to the retail market but have been involved in

Barry Bonds (among others) supplement supplier...
8255  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: This Cold & Flu Season on: November 23, 2006, 08:23:53 PM
why not just get a flu shot

Here's a few reasons...

Stop Worrying About the Flu
By Dr. Joseph Mercola

Like diehard fans camping out overnight to be the first in line for concert tickets to their favorite performer, people are waiting in long lines hoping to get the flu vaccine. Yes, it's that time of year -- flu season and the media and the government have stirred the public into complete panic mode. Headlines flood newspapers reading, "Vaccine shortage leads public crisis" and on the hour radio broadcasts are bombarding the public with reports that the flu epidemic is coming and there aren't enough vaccines to fight it.

Before You Run Out to Get the Flu Shot ... Do Your Homework

It's becoming increasingly difficult to separate facts from the hype created by the media and government officials. In order to make an informed decision of whether or not to get the flu shot, it is of utmost importance to do your homework. This involves doing thorough research of the safety issues surrounding the flu vaccination and then learning the preventative measures against getting the flu in the first place.

The Target Markets for the Flu Vaccine: Elderly and Children

Generally, the flu vaccine is recommended for people ages 65 and older and to those with serious medical conditions that could quickly worsen as a result of serious complications from the flu.
Reports from medical journals widely vary in the effectiveness for the elderly, ranging from 0 to 85 percent.

The CDC reports that 90 percent of deaths from influenza occur among the elderly. These kinds of statistics make it nearly impossible to credit the flu vaccine for prolonging lives in this age group, as 65 percent of all deaths (regardless of the cause) happen among the elderly.

Further, there are potential dangers to the flu vaccine, particularly to the already vulnerable elderly population. Dr. Hugh Fudenberg, one of the world's leading immunogeneticists, states the chances of getting Alzheimer's disease is 10 times higher if an individual has five consecutive shots than if they have one, two or no shots. This is likely due to the thimerosol (a mercury-derived preservative) and aluminum content of the vaccine.

Recommendations to give flu vaccinations to children were adopted on March 1, 2003. These recommendations include vaccinating children between 2 and 18 years who live in households containing children younger than 2 years of age. The most common type of flu vaccine given to children is called Fluzone, with each dose containing 25 ug of mercury. CDC recommendations include administering the flu vaccine to children beginning at six months of age and then on an annual basis, for the rest of their lives.

Does the Flu Vaccine Really Work?

The flu vaccine can actually weaken the immune system and make you more predisposed to the illness.

The flu vaccine, whether in the shot or nasal form, is worthless at best and should be avoided. Not only are they loaded with toxic chemicals including mercury and aluminum, but many people come down with the flu shortly after receiving the shot. This is because it actually weakens the immune system, making the person more predisposed to the illness.

By Dr Sherri Tenpenny

News reports have been flooding us with articles warning that the impending flu season may be the worst in years. Even though it is difficult to separate the facts from the hype, a close evaluation of the flu vaccine will reveal that serious questions must be raised about the recommendations that are routinely touted, namely high efficacy with little risk. Anyone considering a flu shot should become informed about the substances coming through that needle, and should be determined to investigate the safety and efficacy issues that are still unresolved.

The vaccine virus
Each year, a new vaccine is developed that contains three different viruses (one influenza B and two influenza A strains). CDC officials select the new viruses based on which viruses were prevalent during the flu season in China and Australia the previous year. The CDC admits that the viruses selected for the new vaccine are chosen on the basis of an “educated guess.”

What’s in a flu shot?
The influenza virus is grown in “specific pathogen-free” (SPF) eggs. Eggs are tested for a variety of agents—usually between 23 and 31—to confirm the absence of those specific pathogens. Laboratories limit the number of agents that are screened due to the shear abundance of potential viruses and/or bacteria to choose from. In addition, screening for every potential agent would be cost prohibitive. If none of the tested agents are detected, the vaccine is reported as “pathogen free.”

However, it should be understood that there is a distinct difference between “pathogen free” and “specific pathogen-free.” In its July 1996 report, the Institute of Medicine acknowledged that “although it is not possible to produce a completely uncontaminated animal, it is possible to produce an animal [or egg] certified to be free of specific pathogens.” Viruses that are harmless to their animal host, however, may be potentially harmful to humans.

During the manufacturing process, antibiotics (neomycin, polymyxin B and gentamicin) are added to eliminate stray bacteria found in the mixture. The final solution can contain the following additives in any combination: Triton X-100 (a detergent); polysorbate 80 (a potential carcinogen); gelatin; formaldehyde; and residual egg proteins. In addition, many of the influenza vaccines still contain thimerosal as a preservative. Thimerosal (mercury) is being investigated for its link to brain injury and autoimmune disease.

Does the flu shot protect?
There are no guarantees that the influenza viruses selected for the vaccine will be the identical strains circulating during a given flu season. In fact, it has recently been announced that this year's flu vaccine does not include the strain that is being reported by doctors in the community called the “A Fujian” strain. Outbreaks have been reported in Texas, Colorado and elsewhere[iv] that involve strains that do not match the current flu vaccine. CDC tests have confirmed that more than 80 per cent of the 55 strains of influenza virus isolated thus far are the A Fujian strain. Even so, the CDC still maintains that the current vaccine could provide cross-protection against the new variant, but the fact is, no one knows for sure.

Moreover, the majority of illnesses characterized by fever, fatigue, cough and aching muscles are not caused by the influenza virus. Non-influenza viruses (e.g., rhinoviruses respiratory syncytial virus [RSV], adenoviruses, and parainfluenza viruses) can cause symptoms referred to influenza-like illnesses (ILI). Certain bacteria, such as Legionella spp., Chlamydia pneumoniae, Mycoplasma pneumoniae, and Streptococcus pneumoniae, have been documented as the causes of ILI.

Notably, these microbes are not part of the flu vaccine. Unless an organism’s antigen is contained within the vaccine, there is no protection conferred by the vaccine. It is estimated that most adults will average 1-3 episodes of ILI, and most children will average 3-6 episodes. The CDC also admits that “many persons who have been vaccinated against influenza can still get the flu”

A serious concern: Alzheimer’s Disesase
Hugh Fudenberg, MD, an immunogeneticist and biologist with nearly 850 papers published in peer review journals, has reported that if an individual had five consecutive flu shots between 1970 and 1980 (the years studied), his/her chances of getting Alzheimer's Disease is ten times higher than if they had zero, one, or two shots.

Dr. Boyd Haley, Professor and Chair of the Department of Chemistry at the University of Kentucky, Lexington has done extensive research in the area of mercury toxicity and the brain. Haley’s research has established a likely connection between mercury toxicity and Alzheimer’s disease.  In a paper published in collaboration with researchers at University of Calgary, Haley stated that “seven of the characteristic markers that we look for to distinguish Alzheimer's disease can be produced in normal brain tissues, or cultures of neurons, by the addition of extremely low levels of mercury.”

Does this prove that the mercury contained in the influenza shot can be directly linked to Alzheimer’s? No, absolutely not. But further research in this area is critically needed because the absence of proof is not the “proof of absence.”

Flu vaccine now for children
The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) adopted a resolution effective March 1, 2003 that expanded the use of the influenza vaccine to include children aged 6-23 months. The recommendations also included vaccinating those aged 2 to 18 years who live in households containing children younger than 2 years of age.[xi]

The flu vaccine most commonly given to children is Fluzone>, a trivalent vaccine grown in chicken eggs. Harvested with formaldehyde and containing the recommended ratio of 15 ug of each of the three prototype viral strains, each dose of Fluzone> also contains 25 ug of mercury.[xii] The new CDC recommendations include giving the influenza vaccine to children beginning at six months of age and then annually, for the rest of their lives. Children less than age 9 receiving their first flu shot, two doses of vaccine are recommended, with a minimum interval of one month between the two doses. However, the CDC does not provide a direct reference to substantiate this recommendation.

On June 17, 2003, the FDA approved an intranasal influenza vaccine for use in healthy persons aged 5–49 years. Flumist> is a live-virus vaccine that can cause a litany of problems. (for further information on Dangers of FluMist)

If you choose not to receive the flu shot, have a discussion with your doctor regarding other options. However, some simple and possibly quite effective things you can do for yourself to prevent the flu include: 1) avoid white sugar; 2) exercise regularly; 3) get adequate sleep; 4) eat a healthy diet, omitting trans-fats; 5) drink plenty of purified water daily and 6) wash your hands. A common way people contract viral illnesses is by rubbing their nose or their eyes after their hands have been contaminated with a virus. The CDC states, “the most important thing you can do to keep from getting sick is to wash your hands.”

We are so used to taking medications—for prevention and treatment—that it is difficult to comprehend that these modest recommendations are really the most powerful ways to minimize the likelihood of getting the flu.

Making the decision
You may decide to consult a physician who is schooled in alternative medicine to assess a variety of options for you and your family. What is most important, in the end, is to become as informed as possible regarding your options for keeping healthy and avoiding the flu.
8256  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Fish Oil / Flax Seed on: November 23, 2006, 10:05:52 AM
I want to get a good Fish Oil / Flax Seed Oil Supp. what are you guys using and what do you recommend?

There's many out there.  I find this one to be very economical and more than adequate.

I'll post the pic later - when the upload file isn't full  Roll Eyes

NOW brand - Omega 3 Fish Oil (they have alot of omega products - you want the FISH OIL, not Max EPA, not 3-6-9, etc.)
8257  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: CHARLES GLASS in his prime...(with pics) on: November 22, 2006, 10:15:43 PM
8258  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Two questions...pump & vascularity.... on: November 22, 2006, 09:50:17 PM
ego dearest princess... ego...

I don't get it  Roll Eyes  It's not like (during the pump) you look any different to the average person.  Is it like the game cock puffing out his feathers?

every guy should have between his legs a peninsula that has its own zip code.

LOL  Cheesy
8259  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: This Cold & Flu Season on: November 22, 2006, 05:47:45 PM
Got the airborne and wellness formula....both good.

what's up with the silver?Huh  Has is actuallly been effective for anyone?

Colloidal(*sp) Silver / Silver Hydosol - I've just recently heard about it, but it's been around forever I guess.  Seems to be pretty impressive stuff with many different uses.  I know a few people who swear by it (for flu).

Sovereign Silver drops have the highest percentage of active silver at 96% and the smallest particles to make this the most effective silver supplement on the market today. With complete purity that far exceeds all other brands of colloidal silver and a safety level at 10 ppm, this formula may be your most effective tool for maintaining and sustaining your immune defenses in the presence of emerging strains of bacterial, viral and fungal infections as well as for tissue regeneration support. Sovereign Silver is clear and virtually tasteless, unlike other brands where color indicates contaminants, oxidation or additives that do not make for a pure product.
8260  Getbig Main Boards / General Topics / Re: How do you get soot out of carpets? on: November 21, 2006, 10:21:43 PM
Emergancy! Will i need to get them professionaly cleaned, or is there products available that will do the job?

Did you already attempt a clean up?  Huh Undecided Undecided Undecided

A steam cleaner would be the last thing I try.  Depends on the soot source.  It could be oily and ... well, you know the oil & water thing  Undecided  could make a bigger mess.  I might try this first, using the nozzle attachment of a vacuum cleaner clean most of it up holding the nozzle slightly off the surface.  Try not to rub the soot  into the carpet. Then sprinkle talcum powder or baking soda over it and brush in, then vacuum as normal.  If that doesn't work, then I might try a dry cleaner.
8261  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Forum Rules on: November 19, 2006, 05:10:53 PM
12.  Getbig has a search feature.  Use it before posting your question.
8262  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Animal Stack ? on: November 19, 2006, 05:07:28 PM
I guess as a follow-up... I did a search for Animal Pak and noticed mixed reviews...
... is this stuff good?

Must not have searched here.
8263  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: why do gym trainers don't encourage FRONT SQUATS? on: November 19, 2006, 11:21:18 AM
Also good at hitting tear drop better than regular squats. Not as a fulltime replacement but as alternative.

Front squats HURT LIKE HELL on my shoulders no matter how light the weight.  I feel I've tried everything and they're just not for me.  My 'teardrop' is big enough anyway  Tongue

I never see box squats done anymore.  Should I do them regularly or just every so often?
I do them all the time (kind of a psychological safety net).  I just use the box to "tap" down.  Works great.
8264  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Workijng Nightshift any idea about when to eat and what? on: November 19, 2006, 11:11:47 AM

1) Does it make a difference from a cutting point of view what time a day I eat?

8265  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Pneumonia and training. on: November 19, 2006, 11:00:01 AM
This guy had a bad experience training while sick.
8266  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Buffalo on: November 16, 2006, 09:37:34 PM
No readily available source, otherwise I would.

I've been getting a lot of venison lately though.  Yummy! Cheesy
8267  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Pork........... on: November 16, 2006, 09:35:57 PM
Pork today isn't the fatty animal it used to be.  Like many other animal proteins out there, pork is bred to be very lean.

Check this article:
8268  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Hummus on: November 16, 2006, 03:44:48 PM
most store bought brands have tahini in it as well. 

You're right.  That's the traditional way to make it, but everytime I buy a jar of it (and it's not cheap), it ends up expiring before I've hardly used it.  It adds a nice flavor though.
8269  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Hummus on: November 15, 2006, 07:36:28 PM

Can you give us your exact recipe, please?

I pretty much cook like my grandmother did ~ a pinch of this and a dash of that...
But in the interest of my fellow Getbiggers, I just made a batch and paid attention to quantities.

So here goes...

1 15oz can garbonzo/chick peas (drained with juice reserved)
~about 1/4 cup of that juice added back
The juice of 1/2 lemon (about ~3 tablespoons)
1 tablespoon extra virgin olive oil
a few cranks of fresh cracked pepper
a few dashes salt
1 clove pressed garlic (makes stinkey breath  Tongue )
1 small roasted red bell pepper

Whipped to desired consistancy in food processor.
It will be tastey (ier) tomorrow  Kiss

Obviously, 14g fat in the entire recipe.
Cost = ~$2.50

8270  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Bodybuilding Foods on: November 14, 2006, 11:12:59 PM
Princess, question on the LaTortilla tortillas which I use and consume 2X per day-

The nutrition labels says only 80 calories, with 3g of fat, 8g of protein and 19g of carbs.  However, 19g of carbs is worth 76 calories, 3g of fat is worth 27 cals and 8g of protein is worth 32cals for a grand total of 135 cals.

Is my math off, am I missing something or is the nutritional information definitely off?  Any insights would be appreciated.


Yah, they're counting 4 calories per fiber gram.  There is a lot of inconsistency in labeling among different food products and companies.  Some food items may include the dietary fiber in the calculation of total calories, others don't.  No wonder Americans are confused  Roll Eyes
8271  Getbig Womens Area / Open Talk for Girl Discussion / Re: Thanksgiving on: November 14, 2006, 10:55:48 PM
yummy a gas grill like a weber?  sorry if I sound like a goober for asking...i would love to learn how (then I can put Bob to work on the grill while I handle the inside stuff).  We have a gas grill, can it be cooked on that?

I'm only familiar with the good 'ol fashioned Weber kettle  Undecided  sorry...  I hear the Reynolds cooking bags work well for regular oven roasting...
8272  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Pictures of Members & More / Re: Pics from 2006 NC State on: November 14, 2006, 10:48:07 PM
open heavies 2nd place

23? UndecidedUndecided ?
8273  Getbig Womens Area / Open Talk for Girl Discussion / Re: Thanksgiving on: November 14, 2006, 09:40:52 PM
I I'm taking on my wifey role and cooking the turkey and dressing!!  Please pray that I don't burn my new house down. :0)

Turkey on the grill (Weber) is OOOHHHH SOOOO easy & frees up space in the oven.  It comes out looking like a perfect Betty Crocker picture and the smokey grill flavor is YUMMY.  Let me know if you're interested in "how to".
8274  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Hummus on: November 14, 2006, 11:40:22 AM
..yes, that's right HUMMUS.  I've only recently tried this stuff, and damn does it taste great!  I'm wondering if anybody knows how much fat this stuff usually contains.  I hear there's usually some olive oil added to the chick pea puree, so as long as it isn't too much then at least the fats are the 'good' kind.

Yes, hummus is great!  Try making "mock" deviled eggs - get rid of the yolk and fill the white with the hummus.  Making your own is easy.  Just put the drained (reserve the juice)  chick peas in a food processor with some of the juice, lemon juice, pepper, olive oil and a dash of hot pepper sauce (like tobassco) and maybe a little salt.  I like to add roasted red peppers to the blend.  Yummy...
8275  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Glutamine help on: November 13, 2006, 10:06:24 PM
This is from supplementwatch (the references are posted at the end of the article, although I must confess I have not read the studies themselves):

"In recent years, at least a half-dozen studies have been conducted on glutamine supplementation in athletes and a strong basis exists for the efficacy of glutamine supplements in athletic populations . . . Glutamine supplements have also been shown to play a role in counteracting the catabolic (muscle-wasting) effects of stress hormones such as cortisol, which are typically elevated by strenuous exercise."

Yes, I like to use them as a quick reference too.  That's only an excerpt.  Ultimately, (read closely), it's theory (regarding hypertrophy).  Glutamine's immune system support and anti-catabolic functions are undisputed, so, in a cutting phase it would be beneficial.  Hypertrophy on the other hand - not.

Some of this might be of interest.

31 subjects, resistance training, and massive doses of glutamine for 6 weeks didn't do anything...

Effect of glutamine supplementation combined with resistance training in young adults.

Candow DG, Chilibeck PD, Burke DG, Davison KS, Smith-Palmer T.

College of Kinesiology, University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada.

The purpose of this study was to assess the effect of oral glutamine supplementation combined with resistance training in young adults. A group of 31 subjects, aged 18-24 years, were randomly allocated to groups (double blind) to receive either glutamine (0.9 g x kg lean tissue mass(-1) x day(-1); n = 17) or a placebo (0.9 g maltodextrin x kg lean tissue mass(-1) x day(-1); n = 14 during 6 weeks of total body resistance training. Exercises were performed for four to five sets of 6-12 repetitions at intensities ranging from 60% to 90% 1 repetition maximum (1 RM). Before and after training, measurements were taken of 1 RM squat and bench press strength, peak knee extension torque (using an isokinetic dynamometer), lean tissue mass (dual energy X-ray absorptiometry) and muscle protein degradation (urinary 3-methylhistidine by high performance liquid chromatography). Repeated measures ANOVA showed that strength, torque, lean tissue mass and 3-methylhistidine increased with training (P < 0.05), with no significant difference between groups. Both groups increased their 1 RM squat by approximately 30% and 1 RM bench press by approximately 14%. The glutamine group showed increases of 6% for knee extension torque, 2% for lean tissue mass and 41% for urinary levels of 3-methylhistidine. The placebo group increased knee extension torque by 5%, lean tissue mass by 1.7% and 3-methylhistidine by 56%. We conclude that glutamine supplementation during resistance training has no significant effect on muscle performance, body composition or muscle protein degradation in young healthy adults.

you are not going to go into a catabolic state of eating muscle while sleeping

Now THAT I gotta agree with   Roll Eyes
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