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8251  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness? on: October 05, 2006, 11:39:58 AM
Weird you posted this.... I hit legs yeasterday... 5 sets of squats 5 sets of leg presses... Along with detail shit. No soreness to speak off Huh
Wink There's still time
8252  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: Body Weight Set-Point on: October 05, 2006, 11:37:30 AM
I know Lyle & co. have discussed this many times.  I just can't find specific threads at the moment.  You might want to register over there and ask. m
8253  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: AAS Studies/Links/Literature on: October 04, 2006, 09:18:45 PM
Not sure where I got this, so don't know who to credit.

Might make a good sticky.

What is Clenbuterol?

Clenbuterol is a beta-2 agonist and is used in many countries as a bronchodilator
for the treatment of asthma. Because of its long half life, clenbuterol is not
FDA approved for medical use. It is a central nervous system stimulant and acts
like adrenaline. It shares many of the same side effects as other CNS stimulants
like ephedrine. Contrary to popular belief, Clenbuterol has a half life of 35
hours and not 48 hours.

Dosing and Cycling

Clenbuterol comes in 20mcg tablets, although it is also available in syrup, pump
and injectable form. It's also available as a powder in some areas. Doses are
very dependent on how well the user responds to the side effects, but somewhere
in the range of 4-8 tablets per day for men and 2-4 tablets a day for women is
most common. Clenbuterol loses its thermogenic effects after around 8 weeks when
body temperature drops back to normal. Its anabolic/anti-catabolic properties
fade away at around the 18 day mark. Taking the long half life into
consideration, the most effective way of cycling clen is 2 weeks on/ 2 weeks off
for no more than 12 weeks. Ephedrine or Yohimbine can be used in the off weeks.

Clenbuterol vs Ephedrine

Ephedrine will raise metabolic levels by about 2-3 percent. Clenbuterol raises metabolic levels about 10 percent and it can raise body temperature several degrees.

As far as side effects, there is no ECA-style crash on Clenbuterol and many users find it easier on the prostate and sex drive. This may in part be due to the fact that Clen is generally used for only 2 weeks at a time.

Side effects


The most significant side effects are muscle cramps, nervousness, headaches, and
increased blood pressure.

Muscle cramps can be avoided by drinking 1.5-2 gallons of water and consuming
bananas and oranges or supplementing with potassium tablets at 200-400mg a
day taken before bed on an empty stomach. Taurine at 3-5grams is a necessity in
minimizing cramps.

Headaches can easily be avoided with Tylenol Extra Strength taking at the first
signs of a headache.

Common Uses

Post-Cycle Therapy: Clen is used post cycle to aid in recovery. It allows the
user to continue eating large amounts of food, without worrying about adding
body fat. It also helps the user maintain more of his strength as well as his
intensity in the gym. Diet: Roughly the same as on cycle.

Fat loss: The most popular use for Clen, it also increases muscle hardness,
vascularity, strength and size on a caloric deficit. For the most significant
fat loss, Clen can be stacked with T3. Diet: A high protein (1.5g per lb of
bodyweight), moderate carb (0.5g to 1g per lb of bodyweight), low fat diet (0.25g
per lb of bodyweight) seems to work best with Clen.

Alternative to Steroids: Clenbuterol has mild steroid-like properties and can be
used by non-AS using bodybuilder to increase LBM as well as strength and muscle
hardness. Diet: A moderate carb, high protein, moderate fat diet work well.

Stimulant/Performance Enhancement: It can be used as a stimulant, but an ECA
stack may be a better choice because of its much shorter half-life. Diet: To
take full advantage of the stimulatory effects of Clen, carbohydrates must be
included in the diet. Ketogenic diets do not work well in this case.


The same precautions that apply to Ephedrine must be applied to Clen, although
some people find ECA stacks are harsher than Clen. It should not be stacked
with other CNS stimulants such as Ephedrine and Yohimbine.
These combinations
are unnecessary and potentially dangerous. Caffeine can be used in moderation
before a workout for an extra quick. burst of energy.

A word on Ketotifen

Ketotifen is safe antihistamine used extensively some European countries to
treat asthma and allergies. It can up regulate beta-2-receptors that Clen down
regulates. Basically, it allows users to extend their use of Clen for 6-8 weeks
at a time. 2-3mg a day is ideal, 10mg as found in "superclen" can make users
extremely drowsy. It also increases the effectiveness of Clen so doses must be
adjusted accordingly. The downfall of this drug is its ability to induce
extreme hunger is some people, which is not a desirable state to be in when

Cycling Clenbuterol

Most users that report bad side effects and discontinue use are those who use
high doses right at the start of the cycle. The worst side effects occur within
the first 3-4 days of use.

A first time user should not exceed 40mcg the first day. Increase by one tab
until the side effects are not tolerable

Example of a first cycle:

Day1: 20mcg
Day2: 40mcg
Day3: 60mcg
Day4: 80mcg
Day5: 80mcg(Note: Increase the dose only when the side effects are tolerable)
Day6-Day12: 100mcg
Day13: 80 mcg (Tapering is not necessary, but it helps some users get back to
normal gradually)
Day14: 60mcg
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA stack

Example of a second cycle:

Day1: 60mcg
Day2: 80mcg
Day3: 80mcg
Day4: 100mcg
Day5: 100mcg
Day6-Day12: 120mcg
Day13: 100 mcg
Day14: 80 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA stack

What else do I need to know?

Taurine MUST be used with Clen at 3-5g daily. Clenbuterol depletes taurine
levels in the liver which stops the conversion of T4 to T3 in the liver.
Taurine allows the user to avoid the dreaded rebound effect and painful muscle
cramps. It's a must with Clen.

Clenbuterol should not be taken too close to a workout. It can interfere with
your breathing and complete ruin your workout. When doing cardio, it's
advisable to stay at a consistent pace and avoid HIIT style routines.

Do not take Clen Past 4pm and drink plenty of water; 1.5-2 gallons a day.
8254  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Does anybody keep ready to drink protien in the fridge on: October 04, 2006, 11:59:11 AM
I would just mix up all the dry ingredients and add water on an as needed basis.
8255  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: Why we all do what we do . . . on: October 03, 2006, 09:37:21 PM
Every thing takes a special woman to understand and be supportive of this sort of thing...
Someone who is very secure with themselves.

Someday when it's not time to sleep, I'll come back to this thread  Wink

Every time I try to post in this forum, the site locks up Huh

8256  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: Washing training gloves on: October 03, 2006, 08:47:11 PM
princess, can i through my laundry in with yours?   Grin
Not if you have skid marks.
8257  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: Glute Ham Raise on: October 03, 2006, 08:46:18 PM
I prefer the movement performed like this.
8258  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / MOVED: Looking for 18" threaded dumbell handles on: October 03, 2006, 08:37:57 PM
This topic has been moved to Training Q&A.
8259  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Does anybody keep ready to drink protien in the fridge on: October 03, 2006, 08:35:15 PM
protein loses its bang if it sits there from what i hear  Angry
  You mean creatine Huh
8260  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Kre Alkalyn on: October 03, 2006, 03:23:47 PM
yup... i take 2 pills per day also... i also take 2 doses of 5g of CM per day as well
Why  Huh
8261  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: Washing training gloves on: October 03, 2006, 10:57:52 AM
I wash my gloves all the time.  Just put them in one of those mesh laundry bags and throw in machine.  Air dry.  I've never had a problem.
8262  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: ECA STACK on: October 02, 2006, 09:07:47 PM

Yes, studies have shown that aspirin does not enhance the effects of the ECA stack.
However, the ephedrin and caffiene make your blood pressure rise alot, which is where the aspirin comes in.
The aspirin makes it easier on your body to handle the added pressure.

^ concur

What kind of doses per day for the clen? and how long to I run it for?

and how much Potassium and Taurin should I use while on Clen?

3-5 grams of taurine and 200-400mg potassium is what I've seen as a guideline.
8263  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: shawn ray called ronnie a sore loser! lol on: October 02, 2006, 08:20:36 PM
Ronnie is a bad winner and a bad loser.
Well said
8264  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Good travel foods on: October 02, 2006, 02:33:46 PM
8265  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Liver tabs on: October 01, 2006, 01:22:21 PM
I usually take about 10 Universal Liver Tabs every day. They're a good source of protein & B Vitamins.

In the hopes of getting my iron levels up, I tried using these, but..

they're just too damn big.  Sad  If it were a matter of a few a day, I'd manage, but with the umpteen other "pills", it's just too too much.

I just got my blood results back and my B12 was off the charts (high)  Shocked  Gotta look into whether that's a problem.  Undecided
8266  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Jay wins on: September 30, 2006, 09:24:38 PM
8267  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: Dumbbell Squats on: September 29, 2006, 01:20:40 PM
Princess L has a picture of the Bulgarian squat. Different name, same exercise by what I can judge by the photo. I guess in her part of the world it's called split squats...whatever) where the knee is pretty much in line with the toe. Gives a more direct influence on the quads/hips/hams themselves.

I actually do call them Bulgarian too (hence the pic name), but in case someone was to do a search, I didn't want it confused with this one.  I find the spinal load to be more difficult to stay targeted.  Since the knees were the original issue, I felt the DB one to be more appropriate.  Probably a horse apiece for an experienced guy.
8268  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: Dumbbell Squats on: September 28, 2006, 08:25:29 PM
Split squats
8269  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: Calves!!! on: September 28, 2006, 06:28:12 PM

Hydration level
Vitamin C

Creatine might also help.
8270  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Seeking some help for a diet on: September 28, 2006, 06:20:48 PM
makes it to the gym 2 to 3 times a week. When she's at the gym she does 2 hours of cardio.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!   Smiley

Aside from diet, cut the cardio in half (at least) and replace with strength training (strength 1st, then cardio if done in the same session).
8271  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Orange Roughy on: September 28, 2006, 12:22:27 PM

btw Princess, it's time to get some hedgeballs


or maybe it's time to take the kitties off welfare  Grin
8272  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Blood Tests back on: September 28, 2006, 12:20:52 PM
Cholesterol = 139

Tris = 43



 Grin Grin Grin

and diet & exercise  Wink
8273  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Orange Roughy on: September 28, 2006, 11:40:20 AM
Dinner last night was four frozen wild caught orange roughy filets from the supermarket, sprinkled with a little cayene pepper, garlic, lime juice
delicious and Cals 240.0, Fat 3.0, Protein 51, Carbs 0.  I highly recommend.

  What cooking method?
8274  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it on: September 27, 2006, 09:39:41 PM
Useless for muscle growth is not the same as useless entirely.  Oral glutamine is great for gastro intestinal health.  It feeds the healthy bacteria in your gut thus improving health.  As far as muscle gains go do not expect much.  I think this is why most say it is useless.  No matter what you are trying to achieve I believe your doses are excessive.

What he said.

It is however well documented as an immune system booster and therefore certainly can't hurt  during the cutting phase when many athletes get sick.  10-40 grams is MORE than adequate.
8275  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it on: September 27, 2006, 09:28:49 PM

Note to myself: Never ask the clerks at GNC for advice about anything. They know jack shit.


They have GNC's in Sweden?

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