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1  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: How long does Arimidex take to "work"? on: October 03, 2008, 07:03:45 AM
An important fact about AIs, they will not remove existing levels of estrogen, they only prevent aromatase.  If you are showing symptoms of gynecomastia you should be taking a SERM for a few days to remove existing levels, by the time those are lowered the AIs should be working in order to prevent additional aromatization.
2  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: Test on: September 17, 2008, 07:44:01 AM
...it would have to be 17 alkylated (or whatever the fuck)

Exactly, it would have to be 17-alpha-alkylated (substitution of an ethyl or methyl group for the hydroxyl group) in order for it to be ingested orally.  If you would like me to go into more explaination on this I can, however, I am often told I post too much "useless" information.
3  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: clen drug test question on: September 16, 2008, 07:33:19 AM
Unless you are taking an equine drug test (For horseracing) you will be fine taking clen.  They test for over 850 chemicals, including bronciodialators, at a cost of several thousand dollars each for horse racing.
4  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: revealing new cycle... on: September 11, 2008, 04:55:27 AM


right on, to many people jump up to fast and waste the fact that "gear" is new in the body and very little goes a long way. Ideally you want to use the lowest amount that gives you the most results, and jumping to high to fast will negate this.

I completely agree with this, if you are making gains off 250mg of test I would stick with that or increase only minorly.  Too many people absolutely waste test by using redicuous amounts (generally because much of it is fake or misdosed).  Even a well experienced user (pro level) rarely has a need to go above 750-1000mg.
5  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: Sustanon by Organon on: September 11, 2008, 04:45:49 AM
no susta is 1 ml,no susta is 250mg

Real Organon brand (now owned by Schering-Plough) Sustanon came only in 250mg/ml and 100mg/ml concentrations.  Schering scrapped Sustanon production 3 years ago so nothing out there called Sustanon is "real" at this point and can be dosed at whatever those who make it wish.
6  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: Question to Steroid Users on: September 10, 2008, 01:37:40 PM
*Sigh*

If I had a dollar for every media fueled pseduognosticlly supported didactic about steroids I could pay off my med school loans and work pro bono for the rest of my life...

Roid rage - A myth.  There are zero studies ever proving it exists.

Small penis -  The penis can GROW by increased androgens (if taken early enough) but it will not shrink - ever.  You are confusing that with the testes, which will atrophy temporarily while taking exogenous androgens.

Acne - This is only experienced in about 1/2 of the users, and generally those are users who have a predisposition to acne trouble.  Even so, there is treatment that works quite well.

Please don't make the mistake of regurgitating rhetoric from ignorant fools that haven't done their research.  Rather, check out medical studies, or do your own on yourself (with some education behind you first).  Feel free to ask questions, but don't jump to conclusions one way or the other.  Knowledge is power!
7  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: How to inject the biceps....? on: September 10, 2008, 01:25:23 PM
The biceps is probably the easist muslcle to inject into, however, it is one of the most painful (after the fact).  If you have ever injected anywhere before it should be no problem.  Make sure you massage before and after, limit to 2cc or less.  I'd say 1cc if less than 18" arms.
8  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: Problems with Non AAS related GYNO-- trying to get anti-e prescribed on: September 10, 2008, 01:21:19 PM
Gynecomastia and mastalgia (the pain and tenderness generally caused by gynecomastia) can be caused by a number of issues other than exogenous androgens.  Are you on any other medications or drugs? Cimetidine (Tagamet - H2-Antagonist for heartburn and ulcers), omeprazole (Prilosec - another antacid but via proton pump inhibition), spironolactone (Spiroton among others, used for hypokalemia and some heart issues), cancer treatment drugs, finasteride (assume you all know this one), as well as some antipsychotics and anti depressants all can cause both gynecomastia and mastalgia.  However, it could obviously be due to your known androgen use as well, just thought I would mention the others incase you just began a regimen.

First, tell your doctor that if he isn't going to help you to please give you a referral to an endocrinologist.  Explain to him exactly what you have done, and that SERMs and/or AIs are the standard treatment for hyperandrogenically induced (and most other non pseudo) gynecomastia.  If he would like more information, ask him/her to check these findings:

Feel free to print this out for him/her.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14759718
"Management of physiological gynaecomastia with tamoxifen."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15998589
"The role of tamoxifen in the management of gynaecomastia."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15238910
"Beneficial effects of raloxifene and tamoxifen in the treatment of pubertal gynecomastia."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10763958
"Treatment of mastalgia with tamoxifen in male patients with liver cirrhosis"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18655526
"Long term look on adolescene treated with tamoxifen for gynecomastia"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12662229
"How should gynaecomastia be managed?" - *NOTE I don't recommend the use of Danazol for gynecomstia treatment due to it's mode of action, it has more adverse effects than Tamoxifen (or AIs such as exemestane, anastrozole, letrozole for that matter).

I hope that helps, if you or your doctor have any questions feel free to ask more or PM me.

9  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: Bloodwork DURING a cycle? on: September 07, 2008, 04:24:21 PM
What isn't the point?  To know where all your levels are at, check liver enzyme levels, estradiol and other estrogen conversions.  T3/T4/TSH levels if you are cutting, LDL levels, RBC counts, LH, etc.  There isn't really anything I wouldn't want to know.  If you don't know what everything means feel free to post your counts and we can give you a summary.  You will have to ask your physician for a copy, they won't likely give you one if you don't ask. 
10  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: This guy "CLAIMS" to be natural..... what a joke on: September 05, 2008, 05:16:56 AM
I don't think it's true that if you claim to be natural when you're not you're only lying to yourself.  I think you lie to aspiring bodybuilders by making them think they're doing something wrong if they can't get to that size naturally.  They start chalking it up to genetics or diet...personally I think it's irresponsible for bodybuilders not to be more honest about it.

I agree with you completely, but it doesn't just got for body building.  All althletes should admit to their drug use and work together to get it legalized.  If the entire NFL stood up and said, "yes 70+% of us take illegal substances".  I don't think the NFL would ban them all.  Most olympic althletes are on something as well.  Many drugs cannot be tested for and those that can often have short enough test times that it doesn't matter.  Also, in general, they let people know when testing will happen ahead of time.  What makes me angry is how ignorant non athletes are to the drug use of athletes.  You see these sports journalists (who are only journalists because they sucked at sports themselves) damning athletes who tested positive or admitted to taking drugs as if it's a rare thing.  Getting caught is rare, MOST (70%+) professional athletes take illegal performance enhancers.  The non athletic ignorant sports fans need to wake up.
11  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: albuterol on: September 04, 2008, 05:29:24 AM
Okay, this is important.  There is a substantial difference between albuterol inhalers and albuterol tablets.  Tablets such as Vospire ER maintain levels for about 8-12 hours and range in dosing from 2 to 8mg per tablet.  Inhalers dispense about 90mcg per spray but have a much more immediate and efficient means of binding to the b2 receptors.  You should not be taking inhalers for weight loss.  The long acting tablets should be used if you decide to go the albuterol route.  Equal dosage of the two does not produce equal results or effects - no where near.  Stick with the tablets otherwise you are asking for trouble (not to mention it's cheaper).
12  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: tbol on: September 03, 2008, 04:30:07 AM
I want to try tbol in my next cycle,what should i stack it with and for how long should i run it??

Just treat it like you would winny or var as far as stacking depending on your goals. It's a similar drug. Being 17aa you don't want to run it longer than 4-6 weeks (I'm sure some do 8 weeks but I wouldn't recommend it).
13  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: Roaccutane on: September 02, 2008, 08:13:53 AM
Thanks for the advice I'm might gonna wait to see a dermatologist as u sugested me.

And do u think in only 1 month you can remove all the acne ?

No, one month is not likely long enough for isotretinoin to fully work, generally treatments last several months (4-6).  You should see improvements, however, in that period of time.
14  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: Roaccutane on: September 02, 2008, 05:57:14 AM
Servere depression has been linked to Isotretinoin, although no difinitive studies have been done yet.  I HIGHLY recommend that you go to a dermatologist and get a prescription for it rather than doing it yourself.  If you insist on doing it yourself let me know what kind of dosages you are planning (I'll need to know weight and sex).  Have you tried the oral antibiotics yet?
15  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: Turinabol on: September 02, 2008, 05:48:11 AM
There is no interaction with the 5-alpha reductase enzyme, however androgenic allopecia is still possible with high dosages as with any androgen.  If you don't have a problem with any other drugs you almost assuredly will not with Tbol, however.
16  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: Turinabol on: September 01, 2008, 05:57:40 AM
Great drug, no aromatization (although some estrogenic problems have been noted via a different mechanic in some users) or 5a-reduction, I'd put it between winstrol and anavar as far as effectiveness and muscle hardness.  Dosing is similar to dbol, some gains can be seen with as little as 10-20mg ED, I wouldn't exceed 50mg although some take as high as 100mg I hear.  It is a 17AA, so hepatoxicity can be an issue.
17  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: How to use esiclene? on: August 28, 2008, 05:14:53 PM
I agree with this

I think the differences are pretty noticable if you know what to look for, they both make you look shitty imo.  Synthol gives a more deformed protrusion in the long run and the alprostadil is a more rounded inflamed look (because that is exactly what it is, essentially your body reacts the same way as it does with a localized infection).  With alprostadil the skin is almost always red around the inflamation, however, this is difficult to see with all the tanning or otherwise naturally dark skin.
18  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: How to use esiclene? on: August 28, 2008, 03:03:12 PM
Esiclene and synthol are very different.  Also, Esiclene (Formebolone) is not the same as Caverject (alprostadil) (prostaglandin) even though it seems to be sold as such on the black market.  Esiclene is no longer available and has not been available or manufactured for about 20 years.  What is sold as Esiclene (simply capitalizing on the name) is Caverject which produces a similar effect, although through a different mechanism.  It works by increasing blood flow to the tissue, essentially causing swelling (Which is why it works as a form of ED treatment when injected into the penis).  In my experience this lasts only a few hours at best.  There is no permenant damage or distortion from Caverject unless it is done daily in large doses, but even then it would be only tissue scaring from frequent injections.  It can hurt like hell though at times, which is why the lidocaine (which actually hurts initially more than it helps) is there.  Caverject is soluble in bacteriostatic water and comes in a powder like hcg.  I have used between 20-60mcg per site for mediocre results.  Not worth it in my opinion. 

Snythol, on the other hand, is dependant upon long term buildup of triglyceride oils, which causes definate distortion and is truely fake tissue.  Synthol will make you look like shit in the long run.  Caverject will just make you poor for a day of 0.5" larger biceps.
19  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: How does the FDA determine was is a steroid?? on: August 21, 2008, 12:04:01 PM
Your question is a bit more vague than you probably realize in order to be answered.  The FDA would define a steroid in general as just that, a steroid, which means it is a terpenoid lipid in a specific configuration with 4 carbon rings.  There are a number of groups (Animal, Plant, and Fungal steroids) and subgroups within those.  (ex. Animal -> Vertebrate -> Hormonal -> Sex -> Androstanes -> Testosterone).

Now you are probably talking about anabolic steroids, which means a steroid that promotes anabolism, again this can span across several groups as well.  Testosterone is an anabolic steroid, meaning that it promotes tissue growth and it is classified as a steroid.  HGH and insulin are both anabolic, but neither are steroids.  Androstanediol and it's precursors which were formerly sold as "Andro" are indeed anabolic as well as steroids, while their anabolic effects are relatively mild (albeit farily androgenic), they readily dehydrogenize with the 3b-Hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase enzyme, thus converting to testosterone, which is much more anabolic.  The same thing went for Androstenedione which also dehydrogenizes, but instead with the 17b-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase enzyme, again to testosterone.  That is why these qualified as "steroids" with the pro-hormone law that was passed some years ago.

So there are specific guildlines for what is considered an "anabolic steroid", however the term "performance enchancer" is more accurate for many of today's peptides and hormones being used.
20  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: i think i have an abscess on: August 15, 2008, 10:18:03 PM

Nice post RDW, with good advice--just one point:

Probably OK to just pull out, hold pressure, then change the needle out and hit a new spot.  It's probably not necessary to discard the whole syringe-full of gear.  A small amount of aspirated blood in the syringe is fine--it should still all be sterile.

The problem with this is that the blood, even in small quantities can and will cause the thrombocytes (platelets) to coagulate in the depot.  This can create a small void in the tissue that will become more succeptable to abcess or cyst in the future, while the likelyhood for any real permenant damage is rather small, in my professional opinion, it is better safe, than sorry.
21  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: i think i have an abscess on: August 14, 2008, 03:23:38 PM
hey fellas,  i'm almost 100% sure that i have an abscess on my left middle delt dead.  i think it's a sterile abscess, not a septic one.  There is no redness, no fever, and pretty much no tenderness.  i've been using test 400 and deca 300.  i've been good about rotating my injections...my other shoulder and my thighs seem ok, it's just my left delt.  there is a hard lump on the middle, id say about the size of a gumball or golfball.  looking back i should of realized the warning signs...it was much harder to push down the plunger on that shoulder than on other places and the lump had been forming for a while, but i just attributed to the t400 causing swelling.  anyways, last night i stuck in a 23gx1in pin and aspirated...trying to see if there was pus/blood/oil in there.  sure enough i was able to pull out about 1.5cc of light brownish/yellow fluid.  there is still a lot more in there.  i am going to see the doctor this coming week, but i would like someone who has experienced this to give me some advice, or tell me what i can expect.  i really don't want a permanent lump of scar tissue, but i also don't want to have to be out of the gym for 3-4 weeks, so it can drain.  anyone with some experience with this please give me some advice.  thanks,
                                              -strength

You need to go to a hospital, just go to an ER and explain what happened, they won't care.  We drain abcesses every day for heroin addicts who use dirty needles and can't hit their veins.  They will give you some lidocaine, cut it open, drain it, and dress it.  Come back in about 3 days and they will check on it again and if all is well they will send you on your way with some antibiotics.  Depending on the size they won't even use cyanoacrylate (glue), it would have to be very big for stiches.  The wound will be healed over in a week and training can recommense lightly in 2 weeks, you should be back to normal within a month.  It really isn't a big deal and the doctors honestly aren't going to get on your case.  Just get it done before it gets worse.

Also, as a note:
Make sure you use quality products.
Make sure to swab the vials with alcohol and allow the alcohol to evaporate before inserting the syringe.
Don't breathe on the needle, this is how most bacteria get under the skin.
Absolutely never reuse needles (If you would even consider doing this you are just an idiot)
If you aspirate and get blood, throw out the syringe and the contents and start over - don't try to save a buck.
22  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: HCG on: August 14, 2008, 03:09:58 PM
You *could* lose weight by using HCG, but remember that the excess androgens will causes a higher affinity for aromatase binding, which would then cause water retention and adipose buildup.  Because of this, one would have to add an aromatase inhibitor and/or SERM.  Why inject something EOD and take pills ED for very minor weight loss when one could take something much more efficient like T3.
23  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: E.D problem in mid cycle on: June 25, 2008, 06:45:06 PM
It's possible that your test is underdosed try upping it to 750mg/wk (I recommend a test to deca ratio at about 2:1), but in order to allow you to service your better half for the time being I'd take 300IU of hCG ED for a few days (Up to 5) , that should help out until the Test E kicks in. AIs really won't help you much for this, the best they can do is lower the amout allready aromatizing (Which shouldn't be that much unless other symptoms you haven't mentioned are present) thus increasing active test levels.
24  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: Steroids and low sperm count on: June 25, 2008, 06:06:19 PM
HMG + HCG. You don't have to come off for it to work.

hMG actually contains hCG, as well as actual LH (which is what hCG mimics in the body [read my sticky on hCG if you haven't]) and FSH.  Anyway, either or (or both if you want as Van suggested) will work, hMG is going to be harder to get on the black market (Not that I ever condone black market purchases but I'm being realistic) but will work a little better.  Both will up the sperm count via restarting the HPTA between the HP and TA.  That is, to mimic LH (Luteintizing Hormone) from the Pituitary for hCG, and for hMG it also contains FSH (Follicle Stimulating Hormone) again from the pituitary, both working to aid in the restart of the body's process of spermatogenesis.

As far as PARAVOL goes, I have to admit I don't know anything about it, I googled it and it appears to be a natural/holistic way to "up your sperm count for only 24.95!"  The first item listed on the ingredients is "Horny Goat Weed".  I mean, if it makes goat's horny it should work for you too right! (Yes, I know that isn't what it means for the neverending supply of jack asses trying to desperately to disprove me on every post).
25  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Grits and Insulin spike? on: June 20, 2008, 06:54:39 PM
ahhh

common misconception about carbs

oatmeal isnt that "complex" bro.

it will raise insulin just like most starches will.

heres how you can find out how much a carb will effect insulin (how fast the body will break it down into glucose and release those sugars into the bloodstream).....    divide the total number of grams of fiber by the total number of carbs  so for example, broccoli has 4 carbs per serving and has 2 grams fiber per serving. 2/4 = .5 ...      the lower the decimal the faster it digests and the more it effects insulin

No. That is not correct at all.  You are comparing potential energy expenditure with insulin response when they two are not directly related.  

Carbohydrates come in different structures, simple carbs (mono and disaccharides) and complex (polysaccarides). Polysaccharide carbohydrates are made up of glucose monosaccharide units joined together by glycosidic bonds. The more complex the carb the longer it takes to break down into glucose, giving it a low GI value (Glycemic Index).  Now, this does not necessarily correlate proportionally to it's insulin response as two sugars with the same GI may have different effects on insulin (Shown by the Insulin Index).  Here is a document (a pdf) from a study that lists a number of foods and their glucose and insulin index levels.  This particular one has the base being white bread rather than glucose.  So a value of 100 = whitebread and glucose would be 140.

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/66/5/1264

To answer the original question, grits and oatmeal are both complex carbs as long as they don't have sugar added (flavoured).  Oatmeal is more complex and is one of the absolute best carbs you can eat, but grits and even straight corn are also considered moderately complex.

Here is another link of useful information regarding complex carbs:
http://www.weightlossforall.com/complex-carbs.htm
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