I'm not saying what you're saying is inaccurate - I just find it very hard to believe that making judgements based on pro experiences means anything to the regular gymrat.  There are tons of powerlifters who just keep lifting for ages.  I've seen 70 year old powerlifters at meets.  What happened to Ronnie or Dorian doesn't mean shit to me (or probably to you).

I suggest you look up successful in the dictionary.

He means to be unemployed.

He is.

He has achieved and maintained his goal for a great deal of time.

Success in his eyes.

He's 29

I see guys work way less in the gym and get way more results than my brother.   This thread is about how siblings are automatically supposed to be as strong / good in the gym - not about my dick size (which is quite average, by the way).

I live with a guy who was successfully unemployed for around 7 years, got in an arts degree and has been successfully a "student" of miscellaneous subjects (none of which raise his income potential) for 3 years, now.

Do I envy him?  Slightly, as I am about to depart for work this morning - but the dude is going nowhere in life and will go nowhere.  It must be a source of frustration for him.

Err.. wait a minute.

That guy in that youtube vid is a juicer?

Failing on 160kg 3 board pressing and a juicer?

I'm well over twice as strong as my brother in many lifts (and he lifts).  Doesn't mean shit

That's just one guy, though.  Hardly enough evidence to go by.

He had no business posing until I read he used to be 300lbs.

Well done.

Ugh, great physique on DJ, always - but the bulging belly when you know the dude is decently lean is not great. 

I think Vince Goodrum should start a fitness channel.  If that guy can get 23k subs, anybody on this board  can and shit - can you imagine how amusing it'd be for the kiddies on youtube to think goodrum was a great source of bodybuilding knowledge?  Come on melvin, do it.

You should at least stick around for the biceps shot at the start.. it's a real jaw dropper 

This is what I'd say:

Nobody "deserves" to be raped - but nobody deserves to get run over.  If you put yourself in statistically more dangerous situations, guess what, idiot - shit happens. 

..

Being idealistic is good in theory - but massively unsuccessful in the real world.

I have a quite messed up friend who has gone through a fair bit of .. rape earlier in her life and ah, I once DID suggest that she had put herself in bad situations.

It did not go down well at all.

I still believe it, though.  In her case, at least.  Had a penchant for dangerous, criminal types - got raped.  Can't say it's a surprising story.

I don't get why he continues to get stereotypical ink.  If you're prepared to get tattooed all over, get some real art on you - not stuff that is on so many others. 

Each to their own 

At 285, this is what is required for you to "shut me down" and by that, I mean earn my respect, that you are a true gym "champion".  Deadlift over 300kgs (because I've seen sub 90kgs people do it), Squat at least 500 (because your knees might be shit, so I'll be fair - though again, I've seen sub 90kgs people do it).  Bench 5 plates a side (because I've seen sub 90kg guys do 200kg).  I've been pretty light on you with those numbers because I've seen people at your weight press 250-260kg, squat over 300kg and deadlift around 350kg.

or

Look good doing your smaller weights.

If you can't, you're not shutting anything down with the real lifters - just a bunch of weekend warriors db pressing 70lbs, probably excelling in their own areas of interest and living maybe 1.5 - 2 times longer than you and your pledge to be over 260  

I love how you've chosen dudes who can db press 70lbs as your foes.  The only foe of mine in the gym is someone who weighs less/same as me and is stronger than me.  Hate to break it to you, but you keep posting vids of that guy CT who would have the same mentality - it's the powerlifting mentality.  Efficiency - big lifts.  Intensity.

Your idea is to get nice and sauced up so you can "shut down" twinks (who aren't on gear and lift for health) in the gym with epic triceps kickbacks.

Totally respect what CT is saying in that again.  Don't respect your version of it.  He talks the talk and walks it.  I don't think you do.  The trouble with you working out with Chaos is my guess is you're a nice guy and nobody who meets you face to face is going to want to tell the truth about your delusion once they know you. 

Triceps kickbacks.. baha.

Personally (and I'm guess most people agree with me), I think you might be mentally weak and either have never lifted properly or no longer have it in you to do so.

I don't know if you're strong - it's hard to tell, I'm not accusing you of being weak in anything other than your head.  So many excuses, so much buffer from reality.  I think you fear meeting chaos because you know every movement you claim big numbers on you're doing in a bullshit way.

I reiterate, that black guy you posted a video - he's earned the right to claim that his partial lifting / smith machine stuff works for him because he he looks good.   You have proven nothing.  If you diet down, are you going to look any better than when you did at "245"?  Probably not.

You've been here since 2004 and I have no memory of you, did you always have that name?

It's not a great point at all.  Anybody who loses massive amounts of weight has clearly changed a shitload of their destructive behaviour and they deserve to be congratulated because most people struggle to change up anything after becoming an adult. It's the change that is impressive.  It is very difficult to change things that you have historically fucked up on.

People who go to the gym regularly have willpower that most of the general population do not have.  As such, we tend to see peoples struggles in this department as weak - but the reality is, it's just a trivial thing for us to do.  We're not equalling their (the fat cnuts who lose massive weight) effort by turning up to the gym - we just like it and it isn't hard.

It's all very good to take a hard line on idiots who get super fat - but if you actually have ever been around these people, you'd know that it's only possible to understand their struggles by transposing it to something YOU struggle with, rather than trying to draw parallels with something you find easy (turning up to the gym, eating right).

Fuck me, I'm getting old.  5 years ago, I'd have just piled in with the rest of you. 

Ah fuck em, they're stupid 

Yeah, in China the deal is, all the people get in a van and then they basically sell the option to watch the animals kill other prey.  So basically the more you pay, the more grandiose the animal prey will be and thus perhaps the kill.  China is still pretty crazy - I work for an engineering company with facilities in china and the stories you get and the pictures you see from the place are hilarious/horrifying.  My brother went to China for work and was walking across the street and some dude came up to him and told him to "come this way for the fucking".  Later on the prostitutes on the street all ran after him shouting his name - somehow, they got his name (maybe bribed hotel official?).  

I respect what the guy is saying - but he's only talking about people who can lift like idiots and get away with it.  It's going to work for them, regardless.  They don't prove shit for the general populace.  For every big fucker who grows on any training - there are hundreds of idiot that do partials and shy away from real weights and go nowhere - particularly strength wise.  Put that idea of partials and whatnot on a hardgainer and the dude is going nowhere.

You do no have that luxury.  You're clearly not really built for being a huge guy and you're only "huge" scales-wise, because you've convinced yourself that being "a bit fat" is fine (which it isn't - not at the point you're at, it's too much).

Also, this guy is quite lean and makes you look like shit.  He can talk shit about his training methods because he looks good and as a result, if it works for him and yeah it supports his training method - for himself.  It doesn't support your training method - you're not him and you do not look good.  I would never tell that guy he was training like a dick, because it's working for him.


He should cut because he wears tanktops, flexes his horrible fatty physique and believes in his head that people think it is impressive.  Fat c u n t powerlifters who are genuinely strong are great and I think more power to them if they want to stay like that.  Difference being that these specimens are generally quite modest when it comes to their physique.  This guy is a bodybuilder, not a powerlifter.  He has posted some of his workout, it's a few sets on the bench and then off to the machines

And where are the heavy weights?  He won't even do a single rep on a heavy weight for a video?  I'm not saying he is not strong, what I'm saying is  - at this point I've seen not a single thing that makes me think that.  If you look like shit but are proud of your weight, fine - but back it up with something because I think you'll agree with me, he's not backing it up by flexing his fat enveloped physique.

Gee, you can really tell bodybuilders, even when they're talking about cars 

How it lookz and which chix you can pull. 

I don't drive anything quite so fast but the only thing I care about what I do have, is the fun of driving it (more of a powerlifter, you see - all function).

You nailed it.  Whether the dude was planning to sell it or not is really moot - he said he didn't want it personalised and that screams "fuckwit profiteer".

Still, if you know how Lou is, you might say no to personalisation based on the fact that you're already sacrificing your self esteem standing infront of a sulking ferrigno, paying him $30-40 for his twelve seconds of time - so having to listen to him bark "well, it's $15 for me to write your name next to mine" might be just a tad too far.

Post some shots of your kingdom.

I think if the average person on the street knew it was possible to inject fake muscles, then they would definitely pick it.  As it stands, they will recognise it looks weird - but never make the link.

Worse still, people like derek and these synthol clowns, where ever they go - they are definitely leaving a cloud of normal people, genuinely discouraged from lifting weight by the idiotic appearance of these guys.

I have been 23% BF infront of plenty of normal people and had them assume that because I lift, I'm lean and in their words.. "pure muscle"   Normal people who don't lift know next to nothing.

The people in Derek's world don't give a shit or know that he's full of oil.

It doesn't matter to him.  All that matters is what is in front of him and those who are around him don't know.

And really, if it's a question of steroids or synthol, the flex wheeler method has proven to be quite successful at not relapsing into steroids and dying from your desire to stay large.

(IE, I doubt synthol has anything to do with his kidney problems - if anything, in the case of wheeler it has probably allowed him to not feel inadequate and use gear when he should not be).

A lot

Most people on this board contribute next to nothing to bodybuilding

Yet it endures

We're not the guys in the audience all that much. 

It's why you have certain people advertising themselves as escort, here / etc (DA candizzle).  Certainly not for the people posting - it's the people who read, but do not contribute.  The people who go to shows and scream for dudes taking their gear off.