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1  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Michael Brown - Discuss the facts and the truth on: Today at 02:43:09 PM
the forensic expert said there's a shot on the arm that could be from the rear...not me...you don't run with palms forward like an anatomical diagram...anyway

So we can come to one of several conclusions about the sources but we do know one thing:

One of the reports is conveying a falsehood about a central aspect of the story.

The witnesses said he was gunned down from the back.  The report said, "could be a shot from the rear" but considering the rest of the grouping shots is from the front its likely the shot also came from the front.

How do you know the reports are conveying falsehoods?  Aren't you jumping to that conclusion?  If the witnesses contradict the evidence and each other you have to at least suspect the witnesses statements aren't accurate.  Why do you immediately assume the reports are wrong and there is a conspiracy afoot? 
2  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 100 Dead Blacks vs 5000 Dead Blacks - what gets more coverage? on: Today at 02:36:43 PM
5% arrests, about 2% convictions, .5% recovered guns on half a million to a million stops. That's pretty bad.

2% of half a million is ten-thousand.  For a million its twenty-thousand.  .5% of a million stops is 5000 guns.
3  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 100 Dead Blacks vs 5000 Dead Blacks - what gets more coverage? on: Today at 02:28:39 PM

I posted the following on the second page of this thread:

AG released a report not too long ago that less than  5% of s&Fs result in arrest and conviction. Statistically, your post isn't a justifiable explanation. It's as bad as saying cops should be allowed to go into homes on fishing expeditions in certain neighborhoods. They'd probably have a higher arrest and conviction rate.


Argument can have multiple points.

If  I was stopping so many one-armed midgets that it turned out I was finding less than .05% who committed ankle attacks, I'd think my midget hunting system wasn't very good.

5% is pretty good
4  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Michael Brown - Discuss the facts and the truth on: Today at 02:26:33 PM
It's a concern because they cannot both be true simultaneously.

They are both consistent in saying he was assaulted and injuries suffered by the officer back that up.  Why be particular about variations now.  Didn't you believe without question  the conflicting witnesses who said among other things that brown was shot exclusively in the back?
5  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Michael Brown - Discuss the facts and the truth on: Today at 02:17:27 PM
what we have is a situation where both sources claim the Officer was beaten but under radically different circumstances.

How does that matter?  He was assaulted and felt it was likely he would be assaulted again.
6  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 100 Dead Blacks vs 5000 Dead Blacks - what gets more coverage? on: Today at 02:15:23 PM
I've said it before, but by this logic you might as well just support random in home sweeps. How is it different legally?
5% is such a low number that the program  is basically just randomly stopping and frisking males who are black or
hispanic. It's not catching criminals in significant numbers and it's not catching minority criminals committing crimes
that other groups likely commit in similar numbers.



When it has such a poor record of getting guns off the street, then yes.

I wouldn't consider 5% and 1% percent insignificant.  It only takes one person to kill or harm another person.  The program is two fold, its meant to lead to arrests and its meant to be a deterrent. As a deterrent the number of arrests is of little value.

Explain to me why is it racist to focus on the groups that cause the most problems?  If one armed midgets committed a disproportionate number of ankle attacks would you focus on finding two armed giants?

If I were you I wouldn't be upset at the cops, they are just doing their jobs.  I would be mad at all the brothas who behavior like fools and make your life more difficult.  
7  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 100 Dead Blacks vs 5000 Dead Blacks - what gets more coverage? on: Today at 01:56:24 PM
What do you think this meant:

Stop and frisk , as it is, results in something like 5% arrests, 1% convictions , and 0.05 gun recovery. Stop and frisk doesn't uncover gun crime in significant numbers.

isn't that better than nothing?  Maybe that 5% or 1% resulted in lives being saved
8  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 100 Dead Blacks vs 5000 Dead Blacks - what gets more coverage? on: Today at 01:54:37 PM
No, it's currently about race. Unnecessary? It's not as if other races don't commit crimes, or ever commit crimes in miniscule number in NYC.

They don't commit gun crimes at nearly the same rate.  Are you saying its not fair that 90% of the those stopped are hispanic and black when they commit 90% of the gun crime?
9  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 100 Dead Blacks vs 5000 Dead Blacks - what gets more coverage? on: Today at 01:52:02 PM
Thats what I got from his earlier arguments as well.

I want a clarification on how its racist.  If the majority of crimes are committed by particular groups wouldn't you want to focus on them?
10  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 100 Dead Blacks vs 5000 Dead Blacks - what gets more coverage? on: Today at 01:49:11 PM
The point is not that they find "X" instead of "Y", but that they rarely find either "X" or "Y".Never said anything about "unless they're catching both races equally, it's racist."

You argued that it was racist not that its ineffective.   
11  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 100 Dead Blacks vs 5000 Dead Blacks - what gets more coverage? on: Today at 01:36:06 PM
I guess I just don't understand the logic....

'because they didn't fund guns but they found people with WARRANTS' makes it racist. Theyre targeting the group with the highest likely hood to commit 'x' crime, and they're finding 'y' crime instead. Just because they happening to be targeting 'x' grouo more because of a proclivity to commit the crime doesn't make 'y' crime any less of a crime.

Its not like theyre targeting them unfairly for 'y', they just happen to find it when searching for 'x'.

Nothing racist or discriminatory about it. The idea that 'unless theyre catching both races equally its racist' makes no sense as theyre not targeting them for that crime. Its simply a lottery.

Which is precisely the reason the imaginary black guy is popped for pot possession.  His post proves my point.
12  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 100 Dead Blacks vs 5000 Dead Blacks - what gets more coverage? on: Today at 01:30:40 PM
It's less racist because it's not based on race. Stop and frisk , as it is, results in something like 5% arrests, 1% convictions , and 0.05 gun recovery. Stop and frisk doesn't uncover gun crime in significant numbers. It finds drug users, people with warrants, etc  most of the time. People of races other than black commit plenty of crimes.There is no reason to assume you are "not likely to find anything".

It's without a doubt about race.  You're intentionally targeting a particular race when it's unnecessary. Would you also suggest checking Harlem for stock market insider trading?
13  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 100 Dead Blacks vs 5000 Dead Blacks - what gets more coverage? on: Today at 01:14:29 PM
Truth.

Do you know if he is exclusively being busted for pot because if you don't you can't make a proper comparison.  You never did answer the question whether blacks are targeting whites?
14  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 100 Dead Blacks vs 5000 Dead Blacks - what gets more coverage? on: Today at 01:13:07 PM
first of all, I never suggested this! You brought it up out of the blue and oddly said it would be racist. I pointed out to you why it wouldn't be, but never said I thought it was the solution. Each of my previous posts was about  how it was not an effective policy , so why would I think the solution was to use it on more people?

Pointing out how it wouldn't be?   An entire demographic of individuals would be searched unnecessarily.  Whats the justification for searching them when you already know you not likely to find anything?  How is that the least bit fairer and less racist?
15  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 100 Dead Blacks vs 5000 Dead Blacks - what gets more coverage? on: Today at 12:55:52 PM
You cant agree what I said is directly right can you.

Its not about pot smoking or anything else.

Its about the formulas we are working with.

You cant reference numbers and refuse to use the mathematics that goes along with them.

Im pointing out that answers aren't always so simple.  Sometimes there are details to consider.  What a first might appear one way, will appear another when other things are taken into consideration.
16  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 100 Dead Blacks vs 5000 Dead Blacks - what gets more coverage? on: Today at 12:46:17 PM
No they are not.  They are used to try and make the argument that certain ethnic groups are genetically prone to violence, less intelligent, etc.

You cannot reason with the idiots who are running around looting their own friggin neighborhood.   

They aren't always used for that purpose.  I use them to demonstrate that those who try to assume the moral high ground need to step off their soap box.


Are they idiots?  They are only idiots if they have understanding of right and wrong.  Socioeconomic conditions prevent the development of that understanding.
17  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 100 Dead Blacks vs 5000 Dead Blacks - what gets more coverage? on: Today at 12:36:05 PM
Ignoring a major point of that. I dont think most people that are educated on race are anywhere stupid enough to suggest discriminating doesnt work.

You can apply that same logic into who you will rent to, who you will higher, and who you will believe, as I think its a fact that is exactly what 99 percent of the population does.

What your not admitting to is the fallout from your math.

If blacks are 5 x more likely to commit a crime they should be searched 5 times more often.

Your ignoring the fact that there are collateral crimes detected in a bust, that may have crime rates that are equal proportion with white folk.
I.E. just as many white pot smokers as black pot smokers.

And yet those profile searches dont ignore 80 percent of pot smokers to make the number fair.

So you have passive black potheads, getting busted at a rate that is five times higher than their white passive counterparts.

That may just seem like collateral damage but that shit adds up and will fuck someone over economically.

This is the part yall seem to skip over like it has absolutely no relevance to the situation.



Usually those black potheads are busted for other crimes and pot is found on them during that time. Another difference is that smoking pot is a passive endeavor while murder isn, the same with all drugs unless there is gang activity involved. Gang activity and association can also skew the numbers.
18  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 100 Dead Blacks vs 5000 Dead Blacks - what gets more coverage? on: Today at 12:30:23 PM
The mentality of failure is endemic in poor communities.  It is not as easy as you are trying to make it out to be to get out of poverty.  Are you really going to tell me that you didn't have to work harder than someone from an upper middle class or wealthy family who lived in a nice community and went to a private school?  

But look, I'm not saying people are not responsible for their own choices at the end of the day.  They absolutely are.  I don't care what your background is, that doesn't justify poor decision making.  It might explain it, but it's not an excuse.  And life isn't fair.  People from those backgrounds do have to work harder to succeed.  That's just an unfortunate fact.  But anyone who wants to get out can get out.  It's just a lot easier if there is, for instance, a two parent household, educated parents, etc.  

I want people to take personal responsibility too.  I just wasn't sure where you end up with your race-based analysis, because as you know, most of the people using those statistics are just bigots trying to justify treating people differently.  I believe in that crap.  

I didn't have to work harder on not raping, stealing and murdering because I was taught right from wrong. And all that wonderful knowledge  was given for free.

Using these statistics is an attempt to instill a sense of reality, particularly during incidents like the recent riots.  The reality of crime and abuse is much different than what the rioters would like to believe. They feel entitled to a false and unearned sense of  self-righteousness and moral outrage.
19  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 100 Dead Blacks vs 5000 Dead Blacks - what gets more coverage? on: Today at 12:10:37 PM
Im simply pointing out that while povery and 'socio-economic status' play an obvious role in crime-across the board for all races- that when it comes to blacks, there is simply more to it than that.
What can be done about it? Nothing really...other than openly recognising and discussing an issue that is an elephant in the room instead of burying it in political correctness and throwing endless billions of dollars at it and hoping it 'changes', which in this case it wont.

This is the problem.  They dont want to talk about it.  There is zero reflection and self evaluation. Its alway external forces, poverty, education, racism. ..take your pick.   Do the poor in the United States even know what poverty is?  According to the census those at poverty level have a lot of luxuries.  Ive posted the data before.  And no one can argue that Michael Brown wasnt eating.
20  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 100 Dead Blacks vs 5000 Dead Blacks - what gets more coverage? on: Today at 11:54:16 AM
Have you ever spent time in poor communities?  I'm talking extensive amounts of time in homes and interacting with families?  I've been doing that for decades doing volunteer work.  I've also spent a lot of time in middle class and up neighborhoods and with people/parents in those groups.  I agree that morality isn't income and education based.  There are lots of decent people in poor communities.  I think most of the them are good people, regardless of race.  

But to deny that there are not a unique set of problems in poor communities is simply to deny reality.  People from poor communities face enormous challenges that others do not.  And poverty is cyclical.  Very hard to break free, and the playing field is not level.  Take the president for example.  He went to the most expensive, exclusive private school in Hawaii; a school that is a feeder to Ivy League schools.  Those kids have a tremendous advantage over kids who grow up on "the west side."  If Obama went to Waianae High School on the west side, there is no way he would be president today.  

Even the drug use is treated differently.  A kid who smokes pot at Punahou (like Obama) will still graduate and go on to do great things.  A kid smoking pot at a public school in the hood is destined to be a statistic.  

I've been working with literacy programs for many years and you cannot tell me that education is not a predictor of success and failure (to include crime).  It absolutely is.  I see it all the time.  And I don't have to twist and manipulate statistics to reach my conclusion.  

So, to come back to my question, I'm not clear on exactly what you want to the government to do?  Concentration camps?  Special schools?  Branding?  What?  

I grew up in a poor area in a poor family and the greatest lesson I gained from my experience was that these people are making their own lives harder.  There is no external force keeping them down, its them.  They are stuck in a mentality of failure and the things they are taught are keeping them bound to a life of nothingness.  Trust me, they arent miserable.  They love this life.

Concentration camps? Come on, thats hyperbole.  What I want is for people to be responsible for their actions and contribute to society. I want these communities who so readily point fingers at others and moralize to be honest with themselves and be accountable.  And thats my point, the government can't do anything.   Its tried for decades making laws and pumping money with little results.  Change can only come from within.

Personally I dont care how destructive someone if it doesnt involve me.  The problem arises whrn these fools feel entitle  to assistance while blaming everyone for their problems.
21  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 100 Dead Blacks vs 5000 Dead Blacks - what gets more coverage? on: Today at 11:23:11 AM
Archer I like the way you post and reason through issues.  But on this race issue, I don't agree with you at all.  You really want there to be some racially genetic component to intelligence and violence.  It simply doesn't exist.  Crime in particular is related to income, wealth, and education more than anything else. For example, if you were to look at all violent crime, the overwhelming majority of those criminals are not college educated people making decent income.  This is a socioeconomic problem, that includes a failure of parents to properly raise their kids.  

And at the end if the day, what do you expect to accomplish with your viewpoint?  You want round up all people of a certain race (to include mixed race people) and treat them differently?  

When bad behavior is dismissed and excused as a product of poverty or a lack of education the person is saying blacks dont have the tools to make the right decisions.  They make children out of them.  If the way they behave is not their fault and the results of poverty and education, why punish them at all.  What I'm saying is,  I'm going to hold you to the same standard of behavior as I would anyone else.  I dont think youre a child.
22  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 100 Dead Blacks vs 5000 Dead Blacks - what gets more coverage? on: Today at 11:09:43 AM
Archer I like the way you post and reason through issues.  But on this race issue, I don't agree with you at all.  You really want there to be some racially genetic component to intelligence and violence.  It simply doesn't exist.  Crime in particular is related to income, wealth, and education more than anything else. For example, if you were to look at all violent crime, the overwhelming majority of those criminals are not college educated people making decent income.  This is a socioeconomic problem, that includes a failure of parents to properly raise their kids.  

And at the end if the day, what do you expect to accomplish with your viewpoint?  You want round up all people of a certain race (to include mixed race people) and treat them differently?  

I believe the poverty answer is to simplistic. If poverty where the reason you would see the same level or close to it of violence across all economically challenged communities but thats not the case.  Education is irrelevent when it comes to basic morality.  Morality is the simpilist and earliest lesson any of us learns and society affirms those values throughout our lives.   There is not one reason that justifies someone not understanding these basic values that keep society together.

I dont believe its genetic but I do believe its cultural.  My aim is to take the weapons used to deflect attention away from taking responsibility for ones choices.  The black community has made a religion out of finger pointing and its time they do a little self evaluation.  They have constructed a false reality around themselves and thats whats keeping them down.  As they say, clean up your own yard before you go knocking on your neighbors door.
23  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 100 Dead Blacks vs 5000 Dead Blacks - what gets more coverage? on: Today at 10:51:32 AM
The phrasing itself is specious! The "stopping more white people" would only come about as a result of IGNORING race, not by singling out whites, as well as blacks and asians. Because you can't single out everybody. Already, as it stands, these stop and frisks aren't incredibly effective at catching criminals. If their purpose is largely, then broadening the scope would not change that.

Ignoring race automatically leads to the unnecessary stopping of law abiding whites and asians.  Your suggestion defacto calls for the stopping more whites and asians.
24  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 100 Dead Blacks vs 5000 Dead Blacks - what gets more coverage? on: Today at 10:26:41 AM
You're stupid as ever.
Where did I say that people should be stopped for no other reason than their skin color?

You want more whites to be stopped when all the facts indicate they arent the demographic overwhelmingly committing gun crimes. 
25  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 100 Dead Blacks vs 5000 Dead Blacks - what gets more coverage? on: Today at 09:51:37 AM
People commit murders for a variety of reasons.

But they disproportionately kill whites
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