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1  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Anti gun nuts & cops upset that cops dont get sole decision on who owns guns on: July 25, 2014, 04:18:38 PM
I hope you dont consider my posts in the other thread that I feel police should be given leniency if they abuse their duties.

I said many many times they were wrong and should be dealt with.

2  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: LOL more its patriotic to pay more in taxes bullshit on: July 25, 2014, 05:13:48 AM
My question for all those people who are against the recent hobby lobby ruling by saying corporations aren't people and can't hold religious views.

Do you believe the same thing about this and their patriotic views or anti patriotic?
3  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death on: July 24, 2014, 08:54:06 PM

Wow, I guess I was giving you too much credit. You really are that stupid.

Expectation as in "obligation" or "legal requirement", not as in "I believe that this will be the case every time". 
of course they have the legal requirement, CITIZENS HAVE THE LEGAL REQUIREMENT NOT TO RESIST ARREST!!!!!

for fucks sake you just keep getting more and more idiotic.

Look dude lets just agree to disagree I honestly cant take another day of your stupidity its fucking life draining
4  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Sports Discussion Boards / Re: Anybody golf on: July 24, 2014, 08:45:14 PM
Welcome back tony....where you been?
thanks grape, Ive been working alot and studying for the a few tests for work.

Good to be back though, cant wait for football season!
5  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death on: July 24, 2014, 08:43:32 PM
I know that, dummy. I was taking something you didn't say and pretending I didn't understand what it meant  Roll Eyes Like you've been pretending not to understand the very simple concept of LEOs being authority figures and being expected to follow the law while performing their jobs. Acknowledging that an officer is capable of breaking the law is not the same as EXPECTING them to break the law. Just because I acknowledged that an officer used an illegal chokehold doesn't mean I EXPECT all officers to do so from now on. Or that I think he shouldn't be punished.  Roll Eyes
who said that ALL officers would use a chokehold?

The idiocy in your argument is you agree that cops can and have abused people even when they comply 100% but a person who resists arrest should expect them to act within the law.

I understand why you might think that in theory b/c they are supposed to uphold the law BUT IN REALITY you know that expecting them to follow the law ESPECIALLY when you are being uncooperative is just plain fucking stupid
6  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Anti gun nuts & cops upset that cops dont get sole decision on who owns guns on: July 24, 2014, 08:30:29 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/24/police-chiefs-gun-rights-advocates-at-odds-over-discretion-in-massachusetts/

Police chiefs in Massachusetts are blasting state lawmakers for shooting down a provision that would have given them sole discretion over who can get hunting rifle or shotgun permits, regardless of criminal records.

“Our position is really very, very simple,” said Wayne Sampson, executive director of the Massachusetts Chiefs of Police Association. “We, as an association, believe that it’s unconscionable that if we determine a person is unsuitable to carry a handgun, that they can then turn around and apply for a Firearms Identification Card, which allows them, by law, to purchase rifles and shotguns. And there’s no way we can impose any restrictions on that. It just doesn’t make sense.”
7  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death on: July 24, 2014, 08:24:04 PM
Then why did you say this?

If you admit that they are so abusive that he likely would have been choked out either way, then his actions didn't play a role in his death, did they?
I didnt say its likely he would have either way you fucking retard.

You have a much greater chance of becoming dead if you tell a cop to fuck himself than you do if you say "yes sir"
Understand the above statement

Like I said earlier, youre a fucking idiot
8  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Airline prohibits free speech regarding complaints on: July 24, 2014, 08:22:29 PM
Damn if that was me and my kids where sitting there crying I think I would have absolutely lost my shit on that lady.

I cant believe they pulled him off the plane for that bullshit. Good for him for putting his kids first and making sure the situation didnt escalate even further.

9  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death on: July 24, 2014, 08:09:16 PM
So, then you're saying  that there aren't any cops that follow the law? They're ALL dirty ?   Huh
of course there albert, to paraphrase flipper you have a much greater chance of being put in a choke hold if you resist arrest than if you do if you say yes sir.

You have already admitted that its possible that a person could be abused by the police even if they comply 100%. You seem to believe that b/c the police are there to uphold the law you should assume they wont abuse you. If you agree that even if you comply you can be abused, what in that delusional mind of yours thinks that if you resist arrest you should expect their reactions to be law abiding?
10  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death on: July 24, 2014, 07:55:08 PM
So, what you're saying is that you don't believe there has ever been a case where police have abused a cooperative suspect?
ABSOLUTELY THEY HAVE WHICH IS WHY ITS ASSININE TO THINK THAT IF YOU ACT UP THEY WONT BE ABUSIVE!!!!
11  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / LOL more its patriotic to pay more in taxes bullshit on: July 24, 2014, 07:54:16 PM
http://www.economonitor.com/thoughtsacrossatlantic/2014/07/21/the-u-s-corporate-tax-monster-and-economic-patriotism/

The link above gives a pretty good unbiased breakdown of tax inversions and why a company or people for that matter would go about moving to lower tax areas.

The president today on an interview on CNBC mentioned that he thought that companies should be "economic patriots" and pay more in taxes by staying headquartered in the US.

I have said this many times as have many others. The leaders of this country need to start thinking like business people and less like ideologues. 
12  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death on: July 24, 2014, 07:38:23 PM
Retardo, this doesn't even make sense! There are cops who abuse their authority and there are cops that act lawfully. That isn't even debatable.
Just because there is a possibility of one cop or one group of cops behaving inappropriately does not mean that all cops will. And it certainly doesn't mean that they should be expected to! What point did you even think you were making?

If you think that a cop may be abusive even if you comply, then what do you think a cop would do if you resist arrest.

only a grade A FUCKING MORON, would say that its possible I could get put in a chokehold even if I comply 100% but I should believe they will not if I resist arrest.

Roll Eyes
13  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Sports Discussion Boards / Re: Anybody golf on: July 24, 2014, 03:49:45 PM

Do you play from the whites or blue tee's.
I play from the blues but I dont know if its universal? I generally play from the tees just before the tips, sometimes from the tips if the course is short.
14  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death on: July 24, 2014, 03:35:17 PM
Retardo, that wasn't even a difficult post to understand. I said that there is an EXPECTATION that cops should behave within the law. Just as there is an expectation that bus drivers be able to drive well and not show up for work drunk or that housepainters are skilled at their job and careful when you hire them. However, there are practitioners in each of these professions that often don't live up to their expectations.  Believing there is a possibility a housepainter won't do a good job is not the same as expecting him to get as much paint as possible on your floors and failing to create crisp cut ins.


YES! That is the crux of the issue, dum-dum.Tragedies and mistakes happen. That's inevitable. But when a mistake of this magnitude happens because someone willfully behaves in an illegal manner- such as using a prohibited hold during an arrest- then the blame is on them. The move was prohibited for a reason.
If you think that cops might abuse their authority even if you comply then ONLY A FUCKING IDIOT would think its reasonable to assume that if you dont comply they will act within the law...

what part of that do you not underfuckingstand moron?

So basically you feel this guy thought he could act up and resist arrest and only get physically reprimanded to a certain point which he felt was acceptable.

Roll Eyes like I said earlier, youre a fucking idiot and so was he if thats we he believed
15  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death on: July 24, 2014, 12:13:34 PM
Yes... that's because the drug dealer is a criminal! When dealing with a drug dealer who presumably has a history of illegal violence, there is not an expectation of resolving issues through legal measures.  When dealing with OFFICERS OF THE LAW, there is a very clear, very firm expectation of those officers behaving in a legal manner. so even if someone has a hand in escalating a situation, if the officer's reaction reaches the point where he overreacts using illegal stactics, the resulting death is entirely on that officer. Not partially the fault of his victim.
Wait first you say it's possible that he would have been put in a choke hold even if he was compliant....now you're saying that when dealing with cops you should believe they are going to act within the law? If you think the cops might have choked him out even if he cooperated then that needs to play into your expectations on how they will respond if you act up!!!

If they had used legal means like a taser and this guy died would he be partially to blame?
16  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: She knew on: July 24, 2014, 06:26:14 AM
I hate to sound like an anti-everyone conspiritard but capitalizing on catastrophic events by using them to take away the rights of citizens is something practiced by governments (and other very powerful groups) in general and not by just the left or the right.

It does seem repugnantly callous that someone would think about the mass killing of kids as a great opportunity to take advantage of the shocked and grieving by quickly taking away their rights but I think the same tactic was used by those in power on the right when The Patriot Act was pushed through congress after the shocking events of 9/11. 

BTW, Naomi Wolfe talks about this extensively in her well-known book "The Shock Doctrine" especially about how this happens on an even bigger scale when very powerful entities pull this shit on other governments for financial gain.
Completely agree, can you say the patriot act?
17  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death on: July 24, 2014, 05:42:37 AM
You don't think he complied some by not fighting?  If you disagree I'll watch it again but all I saw was that he started to turn away;  He didn't flail his arms or even try to run off like the world's biggest fullback (which would have made for a great vid).  The only danger he really posed to any of those cops was that he might fall on them.

Also, I've read that the NYPD chief was "irate" when he saw the video.  A sergeant who was on the scene might be getting in trouble for something like (fuck, I need to find the link tomorrow, I guess) "Not taking control of the situation" or some such
Are you kidding me???

That remind of the Chris rock bit where he says black guys are always proud about not going to jail. "I've got my GED, I work part time and I have never been to jail" the he points out the obvious "YOURE NOT SUPPOSED TO GO TO JAIL MOTHER FUCKER!!!!"

YOURE NOT SUPPOSED TO FIGHT OR RUN AWAY FROM THE COPS!!!

not doing so does not automatically mean you are complying with them.

Of course the chief was upset I would be as well. Those dumb asses totally mishandled the situation and resulted in the death of a civilian by their hands. I would be super fucking pissed if I was him.
18  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: She knew on: July 23, 2014, 08:03:52 PM
Liberalism is anti-intellectual....it's driven by the emotional desire to "do something"...anything.. to fix a problem.  Rational thought is seldom part of the process.
this has been admitted by the progressive liberal rag Rolling Stone magazine when talking about how to pass gun control.

one of the steps was to make sure to stand on the graves of little children to get emotional support for the laws. Another was to push the legislation through quickly before rational and level headed reasoning could be brought into the conversation.

I am dead serious, these retards actually said that...
19  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Sports Discussion Boards / Re: Anybody golf on: July 23, 2014, 06:48:46 PM
been playing a little more recently, back under a hundred and moving back to high 80's here pretty quickly.
20  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Sports Discussion Boards / Re: Anybody golf on: July 23, 2014, 06:48:07 PM
Nobody wants to hear about your life partners, stud.
hahah I see what you did here
21  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death on: July 23, 2014, 06:20:10 PM

On a related note, what IS an INDISPUTABLE FACT, is that come October 20, the Steelers will bring excessive force and pain down on the Texans.
hahah I feel like the steelers are overrated and the Texans are severly underrated going into this season. You lost sanders and got who? heyward bey? lance moore?

nah man the Texans defense will be much improved from last season (they pretty much have to be) and if andre plays the offense should be pretty formidable given hopkins 2nd year and foster in the back field.

Trust me my friend the Texans are gonna be as nice to rapelisburger as he is to a woman who follows him into the bathroom.

Didnt we break his ankle last time we played? or wait was that when duane brown broke james harrisons face?
22  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death on: July 23, 2014, 04:44:28 PM
If they want to arrest you, and you believe you're innocent, the time to fight it is NOT when they're trying to put handcuffs on.  That's plain stupid. 

^^^^^^^^
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
23  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death on: July 23, 2014, 04:43:15 PM

First, that's not a fact, that's your assumption.

You can never know what might have happened.  I thought you were pushing for us to be 'intellectually honest'.


Second, necessitating an escalation in force is not contributing to his own death.  In fact, it happens all the time, every day, throughout the world....and these people are not attempting to get themselves killed, lol.

We're just running in circles now, so have at the last word.
Ok, its more than likely that a physical altercation would not have taken place if he was compliant with the cops...

If the escalation in force was a result of him creating a confrontation then yes he is partially to blame. He helped create the physical confrontation that lead to his death...that is a fact!!!

I never said he was trying to get himself killed, most people get in fights without the intent to get killed.
24  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death on: July 23, 2014, 04:38:39 PM
In the guy's defense, though, he'd been previously arrested 31 times*, all for non-violent offenses, so he was probably at the end of his rope, emotionally.

You can sympathize, can't you?  I mean, as pissy as you get here on this board, BB, I'd bet you aren't beyond acting similarly.  (You probably ARE smart enough to back off and shut up when you see that arresting you and not just hassling you is the intent of the cops, though.)

*31 times arrested probably means at least a couple of times that number hassled but not arrested.  Not helped at all by the big dead guy's memorable appearance, I'm thinking;  Like Naimond with his distinctive hair in The Wire, some guys are liable to draw more attention than others just because they look different/memorable.
I can sympathize with the guy. He has a wife and what 6 kids? trying to provide a living for them. That doesnt justify breakind the law 31 times and it doesnt justify resisting arrrest either.
25  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death on: July 23, 2014, 04:34:08 PM
Probably what bugs some folks is that it seems like some folks would rather focus on the relatively minor mistakes made by the dead man instead of the major mistakes made by the cops.  A lot of folks, I think, will do this because they have an agenda of some kind.
the people focusing on it are the ones who have an issue seeing that without his resisting arrest and refusing orders that the physical confrontation would have never happend. I made one comment and BAM!!!

I don't really think Tony's doing this, btw.  If I were to try to get into Tony's head, I'd say he's saying what he's saying because he's thinking to himself about how he'd try to avoid getting killed if he were in the same situation as the big black dead guy.  And, clearly, total compliance is the best strategy if the goal is to come out of the situation alive.
Total compliance, where did this guy comply at all???

Its not about not getting killed, its about not making a shitty situation worse. Ive dealt with some dick cops in my time and you know they can give you a harder time if you act up.

Lastly, though, it's a sad state of affairs when one has to totally comply with some idiotic/dishonest cops over some illegal cigarette allegations simply to stay alive.
Again where did this guy comply at all???
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