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1  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Exxon CEO Comes Out Against Fracking Project Because It Will Affect His Property on: February 23, 2014, 08:58:50 AM
The fact is these guys award themselves shares on a totally arbitrary basis. Salaries too.

The fact that share prices go up and down based on people's expectation of future performance is largely irrelevant. These guys all scratch each other's backs with shares. That is what is going on with their compensation packages. They pillage an amount shareholders will not rebel at. On top of this, they give themselves exit packages that reward themselves even when they screw up. Performance?
LMFAO its not irrelevant at all...

peoples expectations of the companys future performance is directly related to the current management of the company. If their compensation is based off of the price of the stock they are given, IT IS PERFORMANCE BASED PLAIN AND FUCKING SIMPLE...

If you have an issue with parachutes thats another topic, fact is stock options and compensation in terms of stock are performance based.

You also leave out the fact that the majority of time they are gifted stock there is a vesting period where they cannot sell it.
2  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Exxon CEO Comes Out Against Fracking Project Because It Will Affect His Property on: February 23, 2014, 08:43:10 AM
They allocate the shares to themselves. Performance doesn't come into it.
the share price is based on the success of the company, how is it not performance based?

If the company is doing shitty the price of the stock goes down, if it is doing good it goes up...I know you have some personal bias against them for whatever reason but dont let that bias blind you from the facts
3  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Pro Football player Ray Rice dragging his fiancee out of an elevator on: February 23, 2014, 08:31:10 AM
I agree letting go of boldin was a dumb move even if he wasnt performing at the high level he was he could have been a great resource for younger receivers.
4  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Pro Football player Ray Rice dragging his fiancee out of an elevator on: February 23, 2014, 08:29:30 AM
the seahawks had a good running game, their defense was their strength

the broncos had peyton set every passing record, you think they got their based on their running game Roll Eyes

the last couple super bowl teams didn't have a strong running game, the league is all about passing today and yeah rookie quarterbacks can come in and have a huge impact

just ask the steelers, ravens, falcons, panthers, and the seahawks

though i don't like manziel at all, i don't like your coach either

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I didnt say it was their run games that got them there but to say their run games were not good is stupid.

They had two of the best run games in the season this year. Last years teams both had great run games unless you dont think ray rice and pierce made a good duo or think frank gore and the plethora of other backs the niners had were shit.

Youre exaggerating, yes the league is a pass first league that doesnt mean the run game is an after thought these days.

LMFAO you name a handful of rookie qb's that came in and made a difference and you think that makes your point? Should we name the ones that busted and compare which ones are higher?

Look fact is skills translate better from college to pro in the RB and WR positions. QB's are a bigger crap shoot than rb and wr in terms of drafting. Why not get a big body WR or a RB who you feel can take over for Foster(b/c he isnt going to last the season and is likely on a fast track down hill), pick up a QB in free agency and one later in the draft and develop him?

manziel is an arrogant little shit and I hope he plays seattle so chancelor can welcome him into the NFL properly.
5  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Happening in Venezuela Right Now!!! on: February 23, 2014, 08:23:20 AM
My buddy who went there for a work trip a few years ago (where he needed an armed guard anytime he left his hotel) says that the women are either totally beautiful or they are hairy, heavy-browed missing-link types.  Nothing in the middle, he said.
thats alright Id be just fine with a single totally beautiful one
6  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Exxon CEO Comes Out Against Fracking Project Because It Will Affect His Property on: February 23, 2014, 08:15:56 AM
You are kidding, right?

The board of directors at these companies get together and award each other shares solely based on what they think they can get away with. They are effectively designing their own compensation packages.

Performance doesn't come into it.
actually as many of the clients I work with on a daily basis are CEOs of public and private company I have first hand knowledge of this.

Yes many get shares given to them as a part of their compensation package but even then is it not performance based?

If your compensation is based on the price of the stock and the price of the stock is based on the success of the company, how is it not performanced based?

In other situations they are given stock options that will not get executed unless the stock has appreciated, again performance based.
7  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Govt cutting part time workers to avoid ObamaCare on: February 23, 2014, 08:12:35 AM
He won't answer you, so I will.

YES, HE IS THAT STUPID!!
I went back and actually read the link and his post and the his conclusion has absolutely nothing to do with that link.

LMFAO you cant make up such a shitty gimmick
8  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Govt cutting part time workers to avoid ObamaCare on: February 23, 2014, 08:11:40 AM
Look!  Another survey that refutes your 80 / 20 conclusion:

http://millionairecorner.com/Content_Free/What-are-the-Wealth-Creation-Strategies-of-Millionaire-Millennials.aspx


Unlike their predecessors, Millionaire Millennials are more apt to credit their education rather than hard work as their primary wealth creation factor,


Well I guess it does depend on whom you ask.  
how does this refute the 80/20 split?

this says nothing to that end....

hahahah are you fuking serious?
9  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Govt cutting part time workers to avoid ObamaCare on: February 23, 2014, 07:59:26 AM
Educated people do not make asses of themselves the way you do.

My degrees dwarf yours.  But I'm here to discuss topics.  You're here to do anything but that.  Why don't you post another link you don't understand and call everyone names.

My cite contradicts yours.  So what exactly are you talking about?

hahaha Im sure your degrees do and I am sure you have a bodybuilding physique and are rich none of which you will ever prove or show....

again it actually doesnt and fits right in line with my citation
10  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Govt cutting part time workers to avoid ObamaCare on: February 23, 2014, 07:58:14 AM
I have a survey from Barclays to support my contention, just like you.  But you didn't even know that.

Plus I have the intelligence and integrity to understand the complexity of the matter at hand and I admit that there is no definitive answer...remember, inheritance by will leaves no public record?

In other words, I have integrity.  I admit that and like a little child you pounce on that as some sort of capitulation to your asinine argument.  You're a child.  You don't belong in the company of thinking men.

Authoritarian trait #4:  Dogmatic assertions and a complete inability to grasp the contours and complexities of an issue.  Everything is black and white.

I swear that you were the model for the authoritarian psychological profile. You are practically screaming, "look at me and my herdlike cowardice!!!!"
once again your BC citation doesnt back up your claim as a matter of fact it folds right into mine.

so 20% of millionaires get there by selling their business...that fits right into my citations assertion that the majority of millionaires get there by hard work and smart living.

LMFAO are you so blind you dont see that?

yours doesnt say anything about the overall number just the number that get there by selling their business.
11  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Exxon CEO Comes Out Against Fracking Project Because It Will Affect His Property on: February 22, 2014, 07:59:30 PM
Surely you aren't that naive.

You do realize how these CEO compensation packages get set, right?

You think it's performance related?
yea many of them are, as in stock options
12  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Govt cutting part time workers to avoid ObamaCare on: February 22, 2014, 07:58:58 PM
Your citation is garbage.  Tell me, how can you even accurately measure inheritance when inheritance by will bypasses probate meaning there is no public record of the transfer?  We're left with guys like Romney (and yourself) deluded into believing they are self-made.

You and your citation are inadequate.  There, you and your source have been discredited, are you happy now?

Plus you missed my Barclays citation countering your 80 / 20 nonsense.

What do I expect?  You want to believe that there's terrific income mobility and many Horatio Alger self-made millionaire stories b/c it fits your...'prejudice' doesn't do you justice...it doesn't fit your fantasy.

Authoritarian point number 2 million and 2:  When presented with counter-arguments, the authoritarian fanatic lashes out claiming victimization while attacking and insulting in retreat.

I think this necrosis fellow has you pegged perfectly.
LOL no I addressed your BC citation and it fits right in with my citation.

What's the University of Phoenix like?

On the level, your ejaculations on this board indicate two dimensional immature thinking.
HAHHA 2 public universities for undergrad and a private for grad school, whats your background gimmick?
13  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Govt cutting part time workers to avoid ObamaCare on: February 22, 2014, 07:40:13 PM
A recent Barclay's survey found that only 21% of millionaire respondents attributed their new wealth to the sale of their enterprise or profits.  What the hell do you make of that?  It's certainly at odds with the 80/20 survey.
Actually you moronic dumb ass it fits pretty fucking perfectly into what I posted.

saying it doesnt make it true..

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/pf_article_110333.html

7 myths about millionaires:

2. Millionaires Just Inherited Their Money
According to Thomas J. Stanley's book, "The Millionaire Next Door: The Surprising Secrets of America's Wealthy," only 20% of millionaires inherited their riches. The other 80% are what you'd call nouveau riche: first-generation millionaires who earned their cash on their own. Many millionaires simply worked, saved, and lived within their means to generate their wealth -- think accountants and managers: regular people going to work every day. Most millionaires didn't get their riches overnight when a rich relative died -- they worked for the money.
I FUCKING E people who lived within their means and were smart with their money...

where the fuck does your dumb ass get 80% are people who sold their business?

for shits sake your a fucking horrible gimmick
14  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Govt cutting part time workers to avoid ObamaCare on: February 22, 2014, 07:37:07 PM
So that's my answer.  I don't know.  But I'm pretty sure that if you're born with rich parents, Horatio Alger is not your story.
well I have to give you some credit...

After the wall of text to deflect you finally admit you dont know what youre talking about and all your views are opinion based and YOU HAVE NO FACTS TO BACK THEM UP
15  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Govt cutting part time workers to avoid ObamaCare on: February 22, 2014, 07:34:03 PM
Well I guess I'd better pack it in.  You're right and I'm....hahahaha I can't even fake that.

I ask for proof and you give me a piece of history from '96 based on interviews with professed 'self-made' men with 'how to' tips.

No, the correct answer, is we don't really know the answer definitively because the matter is more complex than the puff piece you dished up.  The 80/20 split is nonsense.  For Christ's sake, Mitt Romney thinks he's a 'self made' man.  "Just ask your parents for seed money to start that new business.."  

Sen. Ron Johnson was poor but he married the Boss's daughter and became a millionaire by virtue of that happy circumstance.  Is he selfmade in the sense of productive effort?  I guess so if that means wrangling to bang the boss's daughter and marry her.

The point is, there is no definitive answer.  I include inheritance and living inheritance which is nothing more than the old seed money advice of Mitt Romney, i.e., help from your family.  If a guy inherits a business from his dad valued at half a million and it grows to net him a million, is he truly self made?  I don't know.

Here's what I look at.  Here's a hint, it has to do with economic mobility (which is damn near dead in the US) which sort of puts paid any notion of self-made millionaires on any sort of meaningful scale--Bill Gates or Bust, nepotism, governmental incentives, contribution of labor, intelligence and luck.  Ed Wolff does some good work in this area.

A recent Barclay's survey found that only 21% of millionaire respondents attributed their new wealth to the sale of their enterprise or profits.  What the hell do you make of that?  It's certainly at odds with the 80/20 survey.

Anyways, what I take from this is that the opportunity to create wealth is the defining factor and that is what is so hard to pin down.  There's no doubt that money makes money and coming from money creates whole lot of opportunity, better schools, insider connections / information, better gov. expenditures aiding upper class mobility into the realm of the rich (to the tune of $746 billion of federal assistance (takes many forms)).

So that's my answer.  I don't know.  But I'm pretty sure that if you're born with rich parents, Horatio Alger is not your story.
so you ridicule my citation and still do not give one of your own...then you attack me while not refuting any of the points made against or validating your unproven points.


youre the dumbest gimmick this board has seen since blacken
16  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Govt cutting part time workers to avoid ObamaCare on: February 22, 2014, 07:30:58 PM
Dude are you legit with the education thing?what do you have a fucking bachelors, I was talking real education moron, like PHD's, Doctorates, academia, professors etc.. you think a doctor can work in the summers you imbecile? the same fucking education costs 5x more then it use to, no fucking rationale why, did information become more expensive or are you unaware of the money schools are swimming in? Do you know how much debt a Dr goes into?

Ah.. this is my last response to you as you are borderline retarded, for real, legit real retard. You compare a private school to a public school as if that has any relation to debt required to receive an education. Did you think I was talking about kindergarden? toddlers going into debt? university is never fucking PUBLIC MORON, it's not an option, it's not a right, education is, that's why it's PUBLICLY offered, the option is there for private for the rich, unlike university and other forms of higher education.

Do you understand now tomy? do you understand that you don't know what you don't know. Your IQ limits you, I feel bad for you, you really thought you made an argument and you couldn't even see how stupid it was, something as retarded as you typed never enters my mind. It must be hard to think straight with extraneous intrusive retard thoughts with no impulse control to filter the stupid. The stupid spews forth, things like two point curves are created, things that are so retarded no reasonable individual would suggest them, yet this is your best. Your absolute best tamy.
try two bachelors and a masters moron, sorry dumb ass if you are smart about it and work while you go to school it doesnt have to be a drag on the rest of your life.
17  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Govt cutting part time workers to avoid ObamaCare on: February 22, 2014, 01:18:50 PM
Is it rigging the system for a wealthy person to hire a tutor for their kid?

How about to send them to a private school?
please answer these question
18  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Govt cutting part time workers to avoid ObamaCare on: February 22, 2014, 01:16:26 PM
Sure they were.  And the democrats shut down the federal government.  Results are results and talk is talk.

Ron Paul has proposed hundreds of pieces of legislation over his 30+ years sucking at the gov. teat.  And he's passed what, 3 pieces over that time?  Results.
results like higher premiums and deductibles?

results like people getting kicked off their plans even though the were told they could keep them if they want?

results like people losing their doctors even though they were told they could keep them?

19  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Govt cutting part time workers to avoid ObamaCare on: February 22, 2014, 01:11:45 PM
All I've seen from you is your badmouthing anyone disagreeing with your childish statements.  You cite nothing.  You just state things.  So welcome to the party big guy.

1/3 is inheritance and the balance taking that number to a little less than 50% is living inheritance--steady income from rich parents.  But you didn't read that the first time and you probably won't read it the second time.  You can't help it.  That's how you are.

Where's your citation for your assertion?  I know where mine is.  Why don't you put your money where your mouth is for once in your life and show me something?  Come on.  You're smart.
saying it doesnt make it true..

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/pf_article_110333.html

7 myths about millionaires:

2. Millionaires Just Inherited Their Money
According to Thomas J. Stanley's book, "The Millionaire Next Door: The Surprising Secrets of America's Wealthy," only 20% of millionaires inherited their riches. The other 80% are what you'd call nouveau riche: first-generation millionaires who earned their cash on their own. Many millionaires simply worked, saved, and lived within their means to generate their wealth -- think accountants and managers: regular people going to work every day. Most millionaires didn't get their riches overnight when a rich relative died -- they worked for the money.
20  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Govt cutting part time workers to avoid ObamaCare on: February 22, 2014, 01:04:09 PM
No it wasn't.  If you had insurance and developed cancer and a 'death panel' decided on whether your coverage would apply, that was the best thing available under the old regime.  IF you had no coverage like 45 million americans and developed cancer, private insurers can and did deny your coverage on the basis of a pre-existing condition.

So no, that was not "available without the other shit show measures that obamacare put in place."  In other words, you're flat out wrong.
actually the reps were willing to pass the no pre existing conditions clause seperately so yes it was available without the rest of the shit show.
21  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Govt cutting part time workers to avoid ObamaCare on: February 22, 2014, 12:57:45 PM
You're just acting out your authoritarian impulses.  You can't really help it, can you?
About 1/3 of new millionaires inherit their fortune and that number reaches about half(less than) for trust fund kids who receive their dollars via family even though the parents aren't dead yet.  It's called a living inheritance.

So take breath and drawback because the majority of new millionaires still earn it through various criminal enterprises and hard work.

You are such a bitter person.  The rage you consume and exude is something to behold.  Textbook narcissist authoritarian personality.

The system is rigged:  family connections, nepotism, money buys privilege and a head start for the privileged. 

This is a class based society.  The rich are not like you or me.  You spend a vast amount of your time trumpeting rightwing nonsense fed to you by think tanks funded by the people that own you, that own your market, your politicians and your country.  You work for them. Don't ever forget that.
so it was 50% now its 33% and you still have no citation for your claim?

then you resort to attacking me and saying I am consumed by rage.

It must really bother you that I a person born middle class will become a millionaire through hard work and you a lazy gimmick on a message board will continue to blame people like me for your short comings.
22  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Govt cutting part time workers to avoid ObamaCare on: February 22, 2014, 12:03:45 PM
About half of the new millionaires work for it, the other half inherit it.  A timeworn rationale for taxation is to counter the accumulation of capital to the extent that we have a new Bourgeois / noble class.  We don't want an entire segment of society composed of Paris Hiltons.

"...[P]olitics is the shadow cast by big business." (Dewey)  The system is rigged in favor of the moneyed elites.  There's no two ways around that.
please cite your source for half inherit it

LMFAO I think you like most ignorant libtards misconstrue the facts. The system is not rigged one way or the other.

Is it rigging the system for a wealthy person to hire a tutor for their kid?

How about to send them to a private school?
23  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Govt cutting part time workers to avoid ObamaCare on: February 22, 2014, 11:51:16 AM
You are quite a bitter person.  Are you suggesting that the 13 million + people with cancer alone are better off before the ACA?  The ACA permits these people to get insurance.  It's projected that 41% of people will develop cancer in the US.  40+ americans have no insurance pre-ACA.  Many of those people will develop cancer.  Without the ACA, they are screwed.

Can you admit the ACA's removal of pre-existing conditions as a bar to coverage is a good thing?
that was available without the other shit show measures that obamacare put in place.

The idea that we as a country are better off now than before is just fucking assinine and intellectually dishonest.
24  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: BREAKING: Missouri Legislators Vote To Nullify All Federal Gun Control Laws on: February 22, 2014, 11:49:44 AM
I don't know what you mean by this.  States have no right to nullify federal law.  State nullification of conflicting federal law is unconstitutional.  I think that's where you're going with that.  

The Sup. Clause of the constitution springs to life where federal law conflicts with State law and state law ALWAYS loses.  It's preempted by the federal statute.

This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlevi
except when it a law they dont agree with...
25  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Exxon CEO Comes Out Against Fracking Project Because It Will Affect His Property on: February 22, 2014, 11:42:40 AM
HAHAHA he makes 40 mil a year. Holy fuck how in the world could you justify that salary.What the fuck is wrong with people, fucking give back man help a guy out you greey glutonous bastard.
This is another example of rich privalege. You fucks are like, don'[t hurt the rich they only  raped our economy and used our money to bail themselves out. He deserves 40 million right?
There is no way he is worth that much, he is not operating the drills, probably knows no geology, nothing. business man making money off the backs of skilled tradesman and academics. You tell me where to drill, I get people to drill, I make 40 million a year because gas cost alot.


you just said that millionaires are not elite....

Millionaires aren't the elite either, Millionaires are made by the fucking lottery

you just cant make this stupidity up!!!
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