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7026  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin on: January 13, 2013, 01:13:29 AM
ECA to fuel workouts on no carbs

12 weeks maximum use only


The way ECA works is it gives you more energy on less carbs, so say you take 32mg of ephedrine and you have ate 300 grams of carbs, the energy you get from the ECA will NOT be that great, if you ate 200 grams of carbs then the additional energy you get from it ECA will be more, and if you ate 100 grams it will be more yet. On 0 carbs the energy increase is the greatest on ECA. It is almost as if the carbs diminish it's potency.

So it is amazing on a no carb diet. But the problem is people do not know how to use ECA in a maximum beneficial manner so they do not get proper results. First mistake is they take it daily and periodically, huge mistake, your receptors get used to the stimulants fast so before you know it you have to keep upping the dose to achieve the same levels of energy it produces.

This is how I use it, only on training days and prior to a workout to start off with, I will take 32mg of ephedrine, 200mg caffeine, and 80mg aspirin 20 minutes before a workout and I am on a no carb diet and the energy from the ECA is NO different from that of having eaten tons of carbs, I swear absolutely no different in energy levels at all, still cranking 400 on the bench for reps no problem.

By only using it when I need it I will not tap out my receptors that quickly and at around the 3 week mark I will take 48mg of ephedrine instead of 32 cause by this point I will need more to achieve the same results.

at the 5 week mark I am up 64 mg at one time and 300mg of caffeine, the aspirin always stays at 80mg cause the body does not adapt to aspirin ( at least not noticeably). Now every 4 workouts I up the ephedrine by 8mg and when I get to the 96mg of ephedrine I add another 100 mg of caffeine. Remember up to this point your primary reason to have used ECA is as a stimulant for your workout and of course there are other secondary benefits as well.

At week six I take 8mg of ephedrine when I wake up and 8mg at launch, at week 7 I take 16mg of ephedrine when I wake up and 16mg at launch, at week 8 I take 24mg of ephedrine when I wake up and so on and so on. Now the primary reason for the ECA in the morning and at launch is for fat burning and to suppress appetite, while your pre-workout ECA still remains as a stimulant.
7027  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin on: January 13, 2013, 01:01:21 AM
So I can eat 10,000 calories of Steak and Eggs every day with Carrots and be ripped.  This is good news.  Shocked  Shocked  Shocked
Already addressed this on page one, pay attention.
7028  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin on: January 13, 2013, 01:00:33 AM
What the original poster is forgetting to tell us is that his two "amazing" plans can be VERY difficult for some to do. It's hard to feel satiety.

I can also lose 50 pounds in ten weeks by throwing up after every meal.  Roll Eyes Not all that comfortable but it works and I can get shredded.
WHAT  Huh

Cry me a fucken river, nothing in life is easy, you want results, man the fuck up and pay for them. You ain't getting contest lean without discomfort that's for damn sure.
7029  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Gunter Schlierkamp - 2002 Mr. Olympia PICS You May Not Have Seen!!! on: January 12, 2013, 05:59:09 PM
2002 olympia was the last great olympia. after that it kind of went down hill.

this was Levrones olympia, he got robbed.
If Levrone had brought his best legs to the stage they would have given it to him, he did beat Ronnie in 2 rounds
7030  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin on: January 12, 2013, 05:41:03 PM
OTH is right     I can eat all of the steak chicken and fish until I explode   and I still get ripped     start adding in those carbs and every thing will turn to shit
Cool someone understand  Wink
7031  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin on: January 12, 2013, 05:39:16 PM
right now i'm pretty lean maybe 10%+, say i want to get down to 8% with your diet.  can i do that and just stay there?  i have all the size i'm ever going to have (not much) so might as well be as lean as possible.
Drop the carbs till you get to your desired bodyfat levels then slowly add carbs until you feel a balance of carbs that will keep you at those levels of bodyfat.

For example,

 say you went from 10% to 7% in 3 weeks on no carbs (might only take 2 weeks) then add 50 grams of carbs day 1, then add another 50 day 2, then another 50 day 3 etc.. until you start to blur out, once you noticed this slight blur then cut the last 50 grams you added on and that should do the trick, maybe 150 grams will maintain you at 7-8%, some would need more or some would need less.
7032  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin on: January 12, 2013, 05:30:02 PM
I would have thought constipation.
Protein only gives you rock hard shits but your body has a limited amounts of digestive enzymes which pulls all the calories out of the foods and and your stomach process it and what is not processed in your stomach is then processed in either your intestinal walls or your liver.

 When the digestive enzymes are insufficient from to much protein intake there will be a surplus of protein that will not be broken down digestively so will just be rejected by your digestive system and processed in the form of diarrhea where the majority of the calories will not even be absorbed.
7033  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin on: January 12, 2013, 05:14:11 PM
can you eat like this year round?
You don't need to cause you will be shredded in no time, I drop 50lb in 10 weeks and end up contest shredded. The beauty of this is there is no such a thing as a plateau, you will simply keep losing fat every single day until there is no fat left.
7034  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin on: January 12, 2013, 05:01:10 PM
thats bullshit i remember eating 400 grams of protien and nothing else, i made it as high as 900 grams of protien and nothing else, it didnt do shit
Huh it didn't do what? exactly? don't understand your statement, please elaborate
7035  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin on: January 12, 2013, 05:00:01 PM
So if I eat 15,000 calories of protein a day I will get ripped?
I have been around bro, been getting people to contest shape forever and many have challenged this and they come back and say, "you know your right after 3lb of chicken breast I was ready to throw up. Your body can not and will not allow this much.

What happens if you eat to much protein you will have the runs. Think about it, 3 pounds of chicken breast is a measly 1300 calories. Eat 5 lb and it will not be absorbed, will come out the other end, it is impossible to over eat in calories on protein only.
7036  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Simon Wiesenthal Center: Top 10 Anti-Semites, Israel-Haters for 2012 on: January 12, 2013, 04:53:29 PM
Notice how there is no Palestinians on the list. It would be politically incorrect to call a Palestinian anti-Semitic.
7037  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin on: January 12, 2013, 04:45:43 PM
Thanks, I'll hold you to it!
Wink
7038  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin on: January 12, 2013, 04:29:13 PM
could you give a detailed example of a meal plan for one day?

or just a bunch of examples of meals?  i never understood how people eat without carbs.  i can look at a list of foods all day, but how do you put it together into something edible?  i can't imagine just stuffing my face with flavorless meat over and over all day.

i'm thinking about trying something like this, since I would like to be a bit leaner, especially as i get older.
Will write a list and some meals in a couple days, part 2  Cool
7039  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin on: January 12, 2013, 04:28:22 PM
While you're correct. I believe when you get to National level and IFBB level it does indeed become a science and needs to be broken down the way BFG breaks it down in his posts.

BTW, carb cycling would be more ideal than no carbs. You'll already have low energy from dieting why make it worse the whole diet. Carbs keep you full and strong. It all depends where you're starting of course, if you're a fatass, yes, you'll have to suffer. If not, you can diet with carbs. It's been happening for over 30 years and still today.
The programs involved at the pro level are due to hormones, combinations of hormones but most importantly bringing gh and insulin into the picture makes it a bit more complicated but if you do not do gh or insulin, no need AT ALL to make it more complicated then what I wrote above.

As for carb cycling, well that is a watered down version of what I wrote. What I wrote is the fastest and most efficient way humanly possible, there is simply no such a thing as a faster way to get to contest shape while maintaining all your muscle, sorry but there just is NOT.

Energy is not a problem on no carbs, I aim for a certain feeling and use Caffeine and ephedrine to obtain this feeling and if it gets bad I simply use more until I am fully energized for the gym, never have less energy this way. Still 8 weeks into no carbs can still preacher curl 205 for reps and deadlift 500 for 10 no problem.
7040  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE on: January 12, 2013, 04:05:10 PM
SIMPLE- HOW TO GET CONTEST SHREDDED FOR ANYONE.

All these trainers and coaches make me sick acting like if it's some rocket science shit they are giving away, I have no problem with PT or coaches, they are good for motivation and guidance but where my problem lies is when they mislead their clients into thinking this shit is rocket science.

If you are on HRT or juice then listen up.

Unlimited foods from "protein only sources" + low carbs (green veg allowed) and 20-40 grams of healthy fats will get anyone into single digits.

Unlimited foods from "protein only sources" + No carbs (green veg and others allowed)+ 20-40 grams of healthy fats will get you to contest bodyfat levels.


Forget the calorie counting Bull Shit, forget the complicated dietary metabolism Bull Shit, forget the rocket science, all garbage, don't spend money on some expert trying to act like it is Calculus or physics. What I wrote above will get ANYONE from point A to point B (contest shape) period.




THE LIST


OK, here are your protein sources;

Egg whites
Chicken breast
lean Turkey
Cod
Haddock
Salmon
Tuna
Talipia
Shrimp
Liver
Protein shake ( find one with less then 4 grams of carbs per serving)

Now the following protein sources are kept to once a day;

Lean steak
Lean ground beef
Lean roast beef
Veal

In general I do not consider certain vegetable source to be carbs, cause your metabolism process them without any storage of fat, in other words the calories do not convert to fat

Here are your vegetable source;

Asparagus
Broccoli/purple sprouting broccoli
Cabbage
Cucumber
Onion
Spinach
Romaine lettuce
Tomatoes
Green Peppers

 Now the following vegetables should be kept to a minimum;

Celery
Carrots
Mushrooms
Peas

Dietary fats can come from flax oil or a supplement, I do not recommend they come from nuts or sees. From experience it is very easy to go crazy eating from nuts and seeds and can sabotage your diet.

Diet drinks are allowed, they have zero calories anyway.


Keep your veg. to one serving per meal.








ECA to fuel workouts on no carbs

12 weeks maximum use only


The way ECA works is it gives you more energy on less carbs, so say you take 32mg of ephedrine and you have ate 300 grams of carbs, the energy you get from the ECA will NOT be that great, if you ate 200 grams of carbs then the additional energy you get from it ECA will be more, and if you ate 100 grams it will be more yet. On 0 carbs the energy increase is the greatest on ECA. It is almost as if the carbs diminish it's potency.

So it is amazing on a no carb diet. But the problem is people do not know how to use ECA in a maximum beneficial manner so they do not get proper results. First mistake is they take it daily and periodically, huge mistake, your receptors get used to the stimulants fast so before you know it you have to keep upping the dose to achieve the same levels of energy it produces.

This is how I use it, only on training days and prior to a workout to start off with, I will take 32mg of ephedrine, 200mg caffeine, and 80mg aspirin 20 minutes before a workout and I am on a no carb diet and the energy from the ECA is NO different from that of having eaten tons of carbs, I swear absolutely no different in energy levels at all, still cranking 400 on the bench for reps no problem.

By only using it when I need it I will not tap out my receptors that quickly and at around the 3 week mark I will take 48mg of ephedrine instead of 32 cause by this point I will need more to achieve the same results.

at the 5 week mark I am up 64 mg at one time and 300mg of caffeine, the aspirin always stays at 80mg cause the body does not adapt to aspirin ( at least not noticeably). Now every 4 workouts I up the ephedrine by 8mg and when I get to the 96mg of ephedrine I add another 100 mg of caffeine. Remember up to this point your primary reason to have used ECA is as a stimulant for your workout and of course there are other secondary benefits as well.

At week six I take 8mg of ephedrine when I wake up and 8mg at launch, at week 7 I take 16mg of ephedrine when I wake up and 16mg at launch, at week 8 I take 24mg of ephedrine when I wake up and so on and so on. Now the primary reason for the ECA in the morning and at launch is for fat burning and to suppress appetite, while your pre-workout ECA still remains as a stimulant.



Incorporating clen on a no carb diet

TWO ways to do this, one requires you change your diet every two weeks and the other allows you to keep the same diet, however, your ECA protocol has to be changed.

Protocol one; Ok you are running on zero carbs so ECA is a must, and NO CARB diet has to include a stimulant such as ECA no matter what so since ECA and Clen together is rather hard on your heart, so I propose you take clen for 2 weeks and then ECA for 2 weeks, Clen for 2 weeks and then ECA for 2 weeks etc.

The 2 weeks you are on clen you will not have ECA to fuel your workout so you must take in carb pre-workout, but we are talking 100-150 grams of carbs daily. So your diet will be a no carb diet for 2 weeks (ECA) then a low carb diet for 2 weeks (Clen) etc. Plain and simple.


Protocol two; This one is a little harder so DO NOT do it if you are feeling to much anxiety, BE CAREFUL.

As mentioned earlier in the thread that on a NO CARB diet one must take ECA for 2 different reasons- reason #1 to stimulate your workout and reason #2- to stimulate fat burning and appetite suppressant.

 Once you start taking Clen drop reason #2, I repeat drop taking ECA multiple times per day as a fat burner and an appetite suppressant. Now the reason is your fat burning will come from Clen and it is already doing a good job so ECA for fat burning is NOT necessary, also there are NO synergistic affect anyway. Now you still need to take ECA as a stimulant pre-workout, this is a must to fuel your workout. At this point nothing changes in your diet, still a no carb diet with Clen as your main source of fat-lose tool and ECA as your main source of stimulant to duel your workout.

CONCLUSION; Do not ask me which one is better, it is not anyones call but yours, this could be hard on your system so make sure you dot all i's and cross all your t's before you make a mistake that can hurt you.

Now as far as dosage, again Clen reactions vary from person to person so I do not know what would be to much or to little for anyone, but I will say this though; start at 20mcg and work your way up, add a little every 2 days until you reach what you like. If you do protocol 2 since you are on ECA as well I would not recommend you ever cross 100 mcg daily and that is a lot. Most people stick to 40-60.




ADDRESSING THE CHEAT/CARB DAY[/[/i][/u]
If you are on low carbs no need for this


On a no carb diet most people use the weekly approach for a carb up day. I do not use this approach.

What I do is simple, I pick intervals in body weight throughtout the course of my journey and once every interval is met I have a cheat day.

Here is an example; start the diet at 250lb and I end up at 205lb so I pick all my cheat days in advance like this;

244 lb
239 lb
234 lb
229 lb
225 lb
221 lb
217 lb
214 lb
211 lb
208 lb
205 lb

Every time I hit my next weight goal I have a carb up day. The carb up day is 300-350 grams of carbs and it does not matter if the carbs are from complex sources or simple sources cause you are way depleted anyway, you will burn it all regardless.

Now notice how the first interval is 6lb and the last one is only 3 lb, well that is because at the beginning you lose lots of weight fast and then as you approach less bodyfat your weight lost slow down. weigh yourself on empty stomach first thing in the morning
7041  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Dana White: I will make GSP v. Silva happen on: January 12, 2013, 12:06:02 PM
GSP is too light to fight, to thin to win.
Silva will kill him 9 out of ten times but people don't care, they want to see them fight.
7042  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Victor Richards Dwarfing Don Long on: January 12, 2013, 12:00:17 PM
You're calling Vic a liar then.
Look at that pic above, it says his weight on the pic (the weider pic), 275. Nasser competed at 275, was way more ripped then Vic in that pic and and a 315lb Nasser looked like a fat-ass, HTH
7043  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Victor Richards Dwarfing Don Long on: January 12, 2013, 11:56:38 AM
HE DID NOT ATTEMPT COMPETING,,,
Bro, you are only as good as how ripped you can get, everything else counts for nothing. I stage marshal over 100 shows and I always see someone who is jacked, I mean 20 inch arms, thick torso, enormous legs and he ends up in 5th place in the heavyweights and the middle weight takes the overall, yet this guy if only he lost another 15 pounds would smash everyone.

We have seen his best conditioning and it would not make a posedown at a cheesy tier 3 show. the stage lighting makes you look softer always, I see guys backstage that look ripped and when they go on stage, I am like WTF this guy is smooth as shit. The stage is a different ball game and nevermind standing next to some with striations everywhere . We can sit her and say well  "if he got ripped" but that is the point he couldn't, that is all she wrote, or else we would have seen it.
7044  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Dana White: I will make GSP v. Silva happen on: January 12, 2013, 11:41:11 AM
I was talking about what would be the most competitive fight, not the biggest sideshow.

OK, let's think this through, of course Jones would be a better match up but that would make less sense in the promotional aspect. plain and simple

yest hes adamant he wants GSP to fight instead? .....it is Dana and his objective lines up exactly for the GSP fight, not hard to understand
7045  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Dana White: I will make GSP v. Silva happen on: January 12, 2013, 05:57:29 AM
The fight that makes most sense is Silva vs Bones yest hes adamant he wants GSP to fight instead? Bad match making IMO, GSP would be overwhelmed
NOPE, GSP vs Silva would be bigger, way bigger. The hype would go back 5 years or more. Jones and Silva, nah, not that interesting. The numbers would be the biggest in the history of mma, all records would smashed, GSP and Silva is the number one super fight, it would be like Foreman and Ali.
7046  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Victor Richards Dwarfing Don Long on: January 12, 2013, 05:30:00 AM
Get the fuck out of here he looks awesome.
No one is saying he does not look awesome, he is just not top 10 Olympia material  Cool
7047  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: OVER/UNDER on Cutler coming up with mysterious illness or injury? on: January 11, 2013, 10:49:04 AM
bb friend of mine has one of the same sponsors as jay

he is doing the show 100 percent

he will finish second splitting phil and kai

dexter will be fourth
Very possible scenario. The chances of beaten Phil are extremely low, Phil got pushed hard and he will go as far as is humanly possible to go this year, for sure the best Phil will come out this year. Kai's second place will only fuel him to go harder (if that is even possible) so I predict the best kai as well. Dexter is coming back harder then ever as well, if he wins the Arnold I am convinced his hunger is back greater then ever.

Jay may not respond the way his body has responded before and although a lay off is good for the body but not at this level, it may hinder his perception and he may train with less intensity, almost everyone does after a tear like his. So not saying it is not possible for him to come in second or even win but highly unlikely, he may drop to 3rd or 4th this year.

And let's not forget Rhoden either, he is financially better, he is coming off a break through year. He is taking a year off. If this guy puts on ten lb of muscle where it counts he will look insane, may even surprise everyone and give Phil a run. will be a very interesting O.
7048  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Mr USA John DeFendis Claims Cardio Isn't Needed For Fat Loss! on: January 11, 2013, 10:19:41 AM
hm, i dont think 20 sets per bodypart is much, i always do that.

musclecenter, youre quite fat man, the muscle pops out somewhat due to steroids use, but look at your navel, its burried in fat.

look, this is lean:








can someone translate "hope this helps" for our resident chinese liar now?
WTF Galeniko, this has to be what? almost a year now that you have looked like your 2 weeks out from contest, wow, you have some serious discipline and/or insane metabolism.

See people, take note, this is year round lean. Especially you Tbombz, it is all mentality at this point, those who fail should step it up a notch and look to Galeniko for some inspiriation, motavation and advise, but most importantly how he stays mentally charged to stay this way year round, sir that is impressive,.... in before Chaos tells me to get my lips off your ass, shut up chaos you homo, in advance  Grin  Cheesy
7049  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Mr USA John DeFendis Claims Cardio Isn't Needed For Fat Loss! on: January 11, 2013, 10:06:12 AM
take a look at most of marathon runners or swimers, they doing lots of cadio than bodybuilders.
but they also eat lots carbs & fat. so their difinition not as good as us.
i have a very bad spinals problem, never doing cardio.
but see my update pics

Musclecenter putting 99% of getbiggers to shame.   Wink
7050  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: OVER/UNDER on Cutler coming up with mysterious illness or injury? on: January 11, 2013, 05:16:16 AM
brutal truth... i've said in the past he'll never compete again, but if what groink's said is true, i could be wrong.  i just don't understand the mentality... does he really need the money that bad?  i would be too embarrassed to step on stage if i were him.
Sooooooooooooo wrong, nothing can be further from the truth,it will be 100% impossible that he DOES NOT compete. It is not even a question, he is competing 100% anyone who thinks other wise knows jack about bodybuilding, he is already putting all his eggs in this one basket and 1000's of dollars are being spent promoting his return on stage.  Don't know how anyone on the planet can think he is not competing, it is a done deal he will be doing the Olympia, I will bet anyone 1000 dollars cash right now and I will give them 2 to 1 odds, let's send the money to a mod. he is doing the Olympia 100% and you guys who think other wise are foolishly wrong ,dead wrong.
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