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1  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: IP or BD tabs??? on: November 15, 2007, 04:03:42 PM
im sorry, by fake i meant immitation. It definately was NOT dbol, what i was saying is that i dont know if all IP dbol is garbage or i just got immitations, but im pretty sure it was authentic IP though.

Just curious? Did you chew them up?
2  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: blood in a needle on: November 13, 2007, 06:08:10 AM
Hey man, how do you avoid bones and such in that area? The Vetri Glute you are talking about, right?

I saw a nurse reference write up on where to shoot but looked as if you had to be head on to hit the right area?? I was too chicken shit to try but sounds perfect!

Try the ventrogluteal site. It's MUCH easier and very safe. You can bury a 1 1/2 inch needle and never touch anything but muscle and it will take up to 5cc's if needed.
3  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: QUESTION FOR SOME OF YOU YEAR ROUND JUICERS???? on: November 12, 2007, 03:38:10 PM
So you have to use the juice cause your body can't hack it on its own, correct?

That's a little simplistic and here is where the supposed cheating comes in. Everyone knows about genetic potential , but I suppose some of us believe we should walk around our entire life hindered by it.
Try looking at it from this perspective. You have 2 beginning bodybuilder want to be's with approximately 15 inch arms. One of them has been reading all of the routines in the muscle mags and starts working out using a basic routine from what he has been reading and 6 months later his arms measure 15 and a half inches. The other one doesn't know crap about lifting and his idea of a workout is doing dumbell curls (nothing else) in his bedroom 3 times a week, but after 6 months of working out, his arms measure 16 and a half inches.
What have we just discovered? Even though the second guy doesn't know anything about lifting weights, he obviously had better genetics to build muscle than the first guy. Testosterone (natural levels) in men can vary from 300 to 1000 nanograms per deciliter of blood, or 220 to 880 depending on whose scale you are using. Additionally, if we could disect two peoples muscles, 1cc from one man may have 200 cells for growth while the second may only have 150. The greater number of cells you have, the bigger your muscles can get. Then you also have to consider fast twith to slow twitch ratios.
The point being here, that in this case adding steroids to the mix for bodybuilder number one only makes him equal to bodybuilder number two. It isn't giving him an unfair advantage. Life has already done that through genetics. Steroids only make this an even playing field for him.
Your statement "your body can't hack it on its own" once again makes a judgement that the first man is sub par. That there is something wrong with him. There is nothing wrong with him. He just was not born with the genetic potential of the second guy. We know about genetic differences and genetic potential, but we still don't acknowledge that it is real. The same genetic potential can be apllied to intelligence and learning. Why is Bill Gates smart enough to have developed computer software, but you or I or our best friends didn't. Are we sub par? Our brains "can't hack it on it's own"?
NO. It's just all part of being different as human beings.
In the case of muscle building, we already have something that levels the playing field. In the case of intelligence, science is developing nootropics to increase our memory and intelligence. If they ever perfect them, will we be considered cheating if we use them to breeze through college the way some of our classmates did. Everyone remembers someone back in school who just seemed to show up at school and absorb knowledge without ever studying. 
So let's apply the original question another way.

If you were using nootropics to make learning in school a breeze, would you quit just to show you are psychologically strong enough to do it?

Does anyone else the the judgement built into this type of question?

Okay, I've said all of that to say this. If I have found a substance that helps me to be EQUAL with those who were born with better genetics than I, is there a reason I should quit using them?

I mean a good reason. Other than the fact that some very short sighted people might judge me as being psychologically addicted or think I'm cheating because this comes naturally to them.
4  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: ARM GAINS on: November 12, 2007, 06:35:46 AM
Do you think training this much is unnecessary only, or does it have a negative effect too?

About this 4 reps limit: this happens only on presses for chest and delts. For arms i don't have that problem.
To get past that limitation i have to use so low weights that it's not challenging and i don't feel it in the muscle.

I usually do for chest
first exercise: flat or incline db presses,
1 105s
2 95s
3 90s
4 85s

Not that much weight, but i do them very strict and go deep.

It's not only unnecessary, it is actually counterproductive. Training over an hour taps deeply into your nervous system (epinephrine and norepinephrine levels) and leads to overtraining. The problem with overtraining is, by the time you feel it physically, weeks worth of damage can be done and it could take weeks to recover. You can develop adrenal fatigue which could take months to overcome.

If the weight in your exercise doesn't feel challenging to you, you may be using either the wrong exercise or you aren't doing enough reps. Some people really don't get much from dumbell presses and are better served with barbell presses. When I do a reverse pyramid as you described above, my highest weight may only be six reps, but the last set may be 20 to 25 reps. I don't have any choice as to whether I feel it in the muscle. The muscle is begging me to quit.

Remember this if you don't remember anything else. You grow when you rest and eat. Weightlifting is counterproductive, so you get in the gym, pump the crap out the desired muscle or muscles, then get out so you can begin the recovery process (adaptation and growth).

Write this down on the blackboard 100 times.

Growth occurs outside the gym. More is not better.
5  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: IP or BD tabs??? on: November 12, 2007, 06:02:52 AM
IP's cheaper too. I'll probably go with them. The instructions to chew the tabs seems strange though to me Undecided

IP tabs are made harder than your standard tablet to survive shipping without breaking up. If you don't chew them, they can pass through your digestive system whole and you will think you have been ripped off cuz you aren't seeing any results.
6  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: ARM GAINS on: November 11, 2007, 11:13:07 AM
I always warm up then get the feel of a somewhat heavy weight for 2 reps, then i do my first working set with the heavist weight i use then go lighter from there.

If i do biceps it might be like
1 135
2 120
3 110
4 100
When i normally do chest i start with the heaviest and get maybe 4 reps and by the time i get to the lighter weights that are supposed to be easy, i still can't do more than 4-5 reps unless i use a ridiculously light weight. It's like a weird limitation, the 4 rep is quite easy, but getting number 5 is impossible.

Thanks for the help man, i really appreciate it!

Sounds like you aren't dropping enough weight between sets. I would be dropping 20lbs between sets on small muscle groups like arms (10 for dumbells) and at least 25lbs between sets on large muscle groups.
Did you notice how much weight differential there is between sets on mesomorph's routine?
7  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: ARM GAINS on: November 11, 2007, 11:06:09 AM
This is exactly what i'm doing... triceps & biceps workout is 2h long, so many exercises, pumped like crazy. It's hard to stop, you always want to do more and i want to make sure i hit it from every angle.
3 exercises for each muscle (bicep and tricep) should hit every angle. The most important thing anyone can learn in bodybuilding is that more is not better. You grow from resting and eating. Not from working out. 2 hours for arms is insane. 30 minutes for each muscle group is plenty and that isn't just arms. No single muscle group on your body should take longer than 30 minutes to totally fry.

So this is bad? ...but then again, didn't you get 18.5" arms from training like this?
What are you doing for them now, how many exercises and sets?

If I read his post right, he is saying his arm size came or at least is maintained by cutting down both volume and the number of days per week worked.
8  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: ARM GAINS on: November 10, 2007, 12:15:28 PM
God loves only those with over 20k posts

You have that wrong Bluto. It's supposed to read, God loves those with over 20 " arms. Grin
9  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Injury and Rehabilitation / Re: rotator cuff syndrome? anyone else ever have it? on: November 10, 2007, 09:22:04 AM
this sucks! anyway, any thoughts guys?!

My initial thoughts are, no doctor can diagnose the correct problem from an xray. You need an MRI to determine the real problem. Both of my rotator cuffs are torn and it turned out my PT tore his rotator cuff playing basketball.
The pain you described sounds like a tear. That doesn't mean that PT won't take care of the problem for you, but I don't think you have been adequately diagnosed.

Since it has been about a month, I'm curious if you are still having problems?
10  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: How often do you train? on: November 10, 2007, 09:17:04 AM
4 times a year...the first 4 days after new years

Congratulations. That's 3 more times than most people.
11  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: looking to purchase a 300lb weigh set.. on: November 10, 2007, 09:15:53 AM
.i'm just wondering if there's any big difference..for instance, like ease of upgrading the set...

They are all interchangeable. You can use Olympic, York or Standard plates on any of the others bars, so the only real difference should be cost.
I won't buy a weight unless it averages about 50 to 60 cents per pound. Your 300 pound set should cost you no more that $150 to $180. Anything else is robbing you. I have a Dick's sporting goods in my area that sells them cheap.
12  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: How often do you train? on: November 10, 2007, 09:09:45 AM
3 to 4 times a week. Either Monday, Wednesday, Friday or Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday and never more than 1 hour per session.
13  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: ARM GAINS on: November 10, 2007, 09:04:47 AM
19-1 inches (pumped) not bad  bearing in mind when i first started they were 12 and im not over 200lb..
and whats more im not even an arm guy

Ive made good gains on arms in the last couple of months by changing a few principles

1. stop killin arms i used to do every arm excersise known to man especially for triceps... my arm session used to run 2 hrs 2 and a half sometimes...

2. only train arms once a week

I agree. That is good size for someone under 200. My arms are about the same and I weigh 225.

I also agree with your principles. Any training that lasts over an hour means either your intensity isn't high enough or you are one of those guys who talks to his buddies or on the phone more than he works out.
Additionally, after an hour of training your body is dipping too far into your nervous system for energy and overtraining starts to occur.
14  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: BINGO! on: November 10, 2007, 08:55:26 AM
this site sez Test E has an effective dose of 250mg /week for beginner (which i am) whereas Test C is 400mg a week. does this mean i can get more bang for my buck with E, assuming they are similarly priced? or are the differences minimal:
 Ive done 1 "mini" cycle of 300 mg of C for 10 weeks and responded nicely but if E is more effective/cheaper. I'm there.

Absolutely not. Test E and Test C are almost identical. Both of them are about 70% test after the ester is removed and the ester cleaves off at approximately the same rate for both. The cost is also identical.
The biggest difference between the two is this. One ester is prescribed more often in Europe and the other is prescribed more often in the US. That's it.

If you responded well to 300mg of test, you are an exception, not the rule. Most people will not be able to tell they are using a steroid at 250mg per week. They will shut down their natural production for nothing.
15  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: Best anadrol to go for? on: November 10, 2007, 08:45:26 AM
My mate say he's got a couple of boxes of that turkish anap and it a hectic product. Thats the whole point is it not? Surely Anadrol should have typical sides and if your not getting them its not the real deal?

That is not a good predictor as everyone reacts differently. I don't get any sides off of Anadrol, but I get terrible sides off of Tren and I never experience the intense hunger others get with EQ. So you can't really use side effects as a your test for legit products. Your mate might get sides from it, but you may not.
16  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: IP or BD tabs??? on: November 10, 2007, 08:38:13 AM
Can you still get BD tabs? Their lab closed down months ago. One of the original owners opened back up, but under another lab name.
IP tabs are good if you chew them up first. BD tabs might be better, but only slightly. At the end of the day, 5mg of dbol (or whatever oral of your choice) is 5mg of dbol. JMHO
17  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: cycle choice on: November 10, 2007, 08:33:03 AM
What are your goals for the cycle?

Since this is a second cycle, I would recommend the first one because I think deca is an awesome steroid that everyone should experiece at least once to see how they will react to it.
However, I have to agree with Captain E, the ratio needs to favor test more. I wouldn't go under 500mg of test with 300mg of deca.
I would save cycle b for a fourth or fifth cycle.
18  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: Looking for your expert opinion on: November 10, 2007, 08:25:42 AM
I know I will get some flack on this but I have been fighting hair loss for about 20 years and my wife and I recently noticed some generalized thinning on the vertex area and in the front, which I never had before, only slight recession.   I used proscar, nizoral shampoo, spirolaction, minoxidil and other products from respectable dr's in the field, Dr. Proctor and Dr. Lee.

On one side  I  like being big but on the other  side I like my hair.  I know most will say pick one but I want both. Other's will say just shave it.  That is easy for some but not for me, perhaps I am vain and want both.

Shaving it isn't an option for everyone. I'm tired of those who bash people who don't want to lose their hair as if the only reason is you are vain or insecure. Some people just don't look good bald. They may not have the right head shape. Some people look gay or as if they are fighting a life threatening disease. And, some people have roles of fat on their head that make them look like a sharpee.
Are there specific compounds which agrivate it, or is the reaction the same with any steroid?
How long did you use the proscar? It takes up to 6 months to see the results with that.
19  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: AAS/GH skull......Preventing head expansion!!! on: November 10, 2007, 07:25:48 AM
I hope I'm not getting off-topic here: but i've endlessly researched Testo for about 3 months now. Looking at NEJM, IMJ and many other scholastic medical journals and Ive yet to find ANY negative article about moderate (under 750mg a week) of test. so WTF, why cant i get my insur to pay for it??

Because muscle building is not an approved use for prescription here in the US. HRT and some diseases that affect height in children are, so they can prescibe for those reasons. If it is not approved for a specific medicinal use in the US, a doctor could lose his license if he prescribed it for that use.
20  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: Mega doses early - hypothetical on: November 10, 2007, 07:15:14 AM
Sorry, it wasn't really the sust I was concerned about but rather the high dosage of test.  is 2g+ too much for a second cycle and will it be worth it>

2 grams is way too much for a second cycle. I wouldn't go higher than 750mg of test for a second cycle, but no one can predict what problems you might encounter with that high a dose.
Tears can occur if you use too much weight regardless of the total dose and some people get test flu every time they use it while others have never experienced it.
21  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: AAS/GH skull......Preventing head expansion!!! on: November 09, 2007, 05:52:36 PM
   I think the hypocrite part would only come into play if he arrested ME for something. Smiley

Good point. I guess under those circumstances, we all would.
22  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: AAS/GH skull......Preventing head expansion!!! on: November 09, 2007, 05:45:10 PM
  So, go ahead and call me names.  The fact remains that you are a hypocrite of the first order and should be ashamed to wear your badge.

He didn't call you any names. You called him one and he has been very respectful and polite about it.

I disagree about him being a hypocrite, but that's just my opinion. I don't think you can compare hormones to the types of drugs that cause people to commit crimes either while under the influence of them or to buy more of them.

When was the last time someone robbed a convienient store to get the money to buy some dianabol? When was the last time someone under the influence of deca ran a redlight and crashed into a car killing a 3 year old boy and his mother?

I'm not bashing you bro. I'm just saying (to me) the hypocrite thing is not that cut and dry. Just another perspective.

Personally, I think military personnel in a war zone, firefighters and police officers, ought to be provided steroids free of charge.
If they are coming to help me, I want them to be jacked to the gills.
23  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: blood in a needle on: November 09, 2007, 05:31:07 PM
i love these quad shots dont hurt guys,,, ive tried a few times and ive been in agony for 4 or 5 days, like youve been stabbed in the leg.

I have the same problem. I can't inject in the quads without walking with a limp for the next week.
24  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: blood in a needle on: November 09, 2007, 05:28:11 PM
Ive done delts lots, never a problem except once I pulled out and the blood litterly squirted.
I didnt freak and even managed not to make much mess.
I was calm because I allways pull back and knew I didnt have anything to fear.
Simply busted a vein on the way in.

Or out. I've done the same thing. Knicked a vein pulling out and blood squirted a good 6 feet.
25  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: blood in a needle on: November 09, 2007, 05:25:44 PM
I always shoot in my delts but would like to try my ass although I find it hard to turn that far, so I am now afraid to hit a vein being that I wont be able to asperate and see as well as i do in my delt.

Try the ventrogluteal site. It's MUCH easier and very safe. You can bury a 1 1/2 inch needle and never touch anything but muscle and it will take up to 5cc's if needed.
Let me see if I can explain where it is. If you are wearing a pair of jeans and follow the line of the front pocket to where it touches the seam that runs down the side of the leg, it is directly underneath there.
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