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1  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: Real Simple Question About Dianabol/Methandrostenolone on: July 11, 2010, 08:04:56 AM
We’re talking about getting the most bang for his buck using what he has to work with - 180 5mg dbol tabs.

10mg of real dbol a day for 3 months along with a lot of food, smart training and proper sleep will work wonders for a 155 pound guy who’s never touched a steroid.

He will be pleasantly surprised.

Thanks man.

Indeed... 10mg a day x 90 days (3 months) is 180 tabs. The thing is thats 12 weeks!

I would only want to keep the cycle down to 5 or 6 weeks.

From what I have read and being the puny little size I am, I will probably just do 4 tabs a day for 6 weeks.

Could use 161 tabs this way...

Week 1 - 2 tabs a day (10mg)
Week 2 - 3 tabs a day (15mg)
Week 3 - 4 tabs a day (20mg)
Week 4 - 5 tabs a day (25mg)
Week 5 - 4 tabs a day (20mg)
Week 6 - 3 tabs a day (15mg)
Week 7 - 2 tabs a day (10mg)

But please tell me whats best - just having a flat dosage each day, or building up for 3 weeks, peaking the 4th week and reducing the dosage for the last 3 weeks like above?

I don't wanna use the tabs then find oh... I should have done it the other way.  Cry


2  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Real Simple Question About Dianabol/Methandrostenolone on: July 08, 2010, 10:21:04 AM
I have exactly 180 tablets of Dianabol.

They are the white round tabs in a blister pack of 10 x 5mg.

Now, the guy that sold me those told me to have 1 tab a day for a week, then 2 tabs a day for a week, then 3, then 4, then down to 3, then 2, then 1 a day for the last week, to make a 7 week cycle.

Then I read that with Dianabol you don't have to do this building up and weaning off it?

So what is it? Either you build up and wean off it, or you have a set dosage each day?

Maybe you can do both but what is best?

I even read that a single dosage (like all 4 tabs in one go) might be better than spreading the 4 tabs out through the day? I dunno about the roid rage off that though lol 20mg in one go.

With Dianabol, can you just have say 5 tablets a day for 5 weeks?

I read that any more than 25mg a day (5 tabs) for any longer than 8 weeks, will only give you extra side effects and no extra muscle anyway?

Then theres the fact that I am only about 155lbs myself, I would say 4 tabs a day then, assuming even the biggest BB'er only would have 25mg?

It gets more confusing when you get proper steroid freaks that just ignore the dosages and have 20 tabs a day, so its hard to even know if the advice given HERE is correct, if some guy got lucky and didn't have many side effects from his overdose then he will always endorse having too much, most places say don't even have more than 25mg a day, its just pointless.

It is confusing.

I have 180 tablets. Can't buy any more, wouldn't even know who to get them off these days plus I don't have the money anyway so I am stuck with 180 tabs...

Which way is best:

1. If I had 5 tablets a day (I read this is the maximum effective dosage?) and do those for 5 weeks (so thats 35 days x 5 tabs) then I will use up 175 tablets.

2. If I had 4 tablets a day and do those for 6 weeks (so thats 42 days x 4 tabs) then I will use up 168 tablets.

Which way is best? 5 a day for 5 weeks or 4 a day for 6 weeks? That is if you can just have 4 a day from day 1 to the end of the 6 weeks?

3  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Re: For nattys 30 years and older... on: November 27, 2009, 10:26:49 AM
I am 33 and only just STARTING out.  Grin

So at least you lot have been there and done it, I am only just embarking in it.

I aim for about 5 years to go from 154lbs I am now (11st dead on) to around the 180lbs to 200lbs range. Thats around 14st.

So my aim is to gain 3st in 5 years. That averages out to about 0.7lb of muscle gained per month. PIECE OF PISS! I bet it can be done in even less time like 3 years with a few naughty cycles along the way.

The really odd thing with me is I already have OK legs, not muscular but not skinny, its my upper body that needs the gains.

I thought I was too old but its not true, my mates dad is 75 and he looks about 50. You wouldn't want to f**k with him I know that much. He still lifts weights to this day and he is 75 FFS.

So I reckon up to like 50 years old you can keep it up, longer even.

Although when you look at Arnie now it is a bit worrying and harder to keep fat off as you get older.

I read somewhere, testosterone levels in men peak at 40. Therefore it follows surely that the people that can expect the best gains are not the 18 year olds, not the 25 year olds but the 40 year olds?

Its a right bastard how you can't just go back in time lol.
4  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Re: What do YOU like about Natural Bodybuilding? or being a Natural Bodybuilder? on: November 27, 2009, 09:38:50 AM
The truth is, there is only one Ronnie Coleman. Even with steroids, most of us will never look like him or even get anywhere approaching his physique. People that take steroids may be doing so simply because they want to get bigger than they normally would, in the same time.

Its completely true what Arnold jr said in the post on the last page. How silly it is to assume steroid users do not have to work as hard... where do you think that muscle comes from, the steroid? NOPE. Steroids will in fact have no effect if you don't A. Train harder than you would normally aka not on steroids and B. Eat more than you normally would.

People seem to think it is the steroid that builds muscle, don't be silly it is just a tiny 5mg pill, look how SMALL the pill is, theres your clue! It is protein synthesis and HARDER workouts (not easier) and more food, that in conjunction with steroids, creates the better muscle growth.

Thats basically my point, steroids are in fact not a short cut because you have to lift heavier to earn the extra muscle! Your muscle size is only a direct reflection on the weight you lift and it has to increase all the time where possible.

In that regard, steroid users are actually not "cheating" at all, they are lifting heavier weighs and putting the SAME EFFORT IN as naturals, but the drug allows you to build the muscle in less time.

I wanna see some proper scientific tests, there are several I have seen in the past but I wanna see them again. The advantages to using steroids outweigh the cons for me. For example, tests were done where people took a steroid and they did not lift one single weight and even then they still put on muscle.

Thats amazing!

But what about the effect steroids have when lifting? I mean, muscle growth has to be "improved" by a certain percentage over normal lifting with no steroid... but what are the figures on that?

All I know is, thank god we do have these steroids.

I am 33 now and too skinny. I want to be looking good by the time I am 40 but hey... to me thats old and past it (even though the reality is a man is in his prime testosterone wise at 40 years old) so yeah, I will have steroids... why should I lift weights for 7 years when I can probably cut that in half by doing a couple of cycles a year?

The feeling that "its all natural" doesn't really interest me, since you have to work actually HARDER on steroids, to get gains, why do you think steroid users get more gains in the first place, its not just the steroid, that is just like the "oil" you need for the motor, it is the workouts themselves and the food you eat that counts.

I also used to think just steroid alone are what built muscles. I now know that steroids, the chemicals contained in them, have ZERO effect on making muscles bigger, it is only one thing that can do that and that is of course - protein. The steroid merely drives more protein into the muscles, it does not build them even in the slightest, its impossible, the chemicals in the pill prove this since there is no protein in steroid tablets lol.



5  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: Dbol - build up/down the dosage or have the same each day? on: November 27, 2009, 09:06:36 AM
I had a cycle about 8 years ago and that was my only cycle (Dbol).

Since 8 years has passed - can this new cycle be classed as just as effective as the first was?

I read that your receptors get shot but, 8 years has passed and I only did that one cycle.

OK the main question:

I have 180 tabs and want to squeeze a cycle out of it.

I can do it one of two ways:

5 tabs a day (25Mg) for 5 weeks (175 tabs)
OR
4 tabs a day (20Mg) for 6 weeks (168 tabs)

Some cycle for 4 weeks, some 5 weeks, some 6 weeks.

The question really then is, whats best? To have a shorter cycle (5 weeks) with more Dbol (5 tabs/day), or a slightly longer one (6 weeks) with slightly less each day (4 tabs/day)?

Yeah it is my first cycle really... one thing I don't want to do is have too much.

6  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: Dbol - build up/down the dosage or have the same each day? on: November 04, 2009, 12:37:27 PM
Cheers guys. Its just that the guy I got them off said build up and build down on them.

I only have about 180 tablets though, might not be enough.

42 days, 180 tabs = 4 tabs a day aka 20mg a day. Damn, its a low dosage.

Maybe do a 5 weeker instead of 6 then its 35 days, 180 tabs = 25mg a day.

I will have less tabs left over that way as well.
7  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: SMOKING DRINKING BODYBUILDING on: November 04, 2009, 03:12:54 AM
I read somewhere that (heavy?) drinking can cause a 25% reduction in muscle growth.

Smoking it said causes a 10% reduction.

Drinking makes you a fat c*nt though as well.

I smoke tobacco, but only because I am addicted and can't stop.

I quit drinking years ago and never drank much even when I did.

Anything that makes you feel like shit the next day like that does can't be good. Then theres the brain damage alcoholics get.

8  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Michael Phelps busted on Camera Smoking Pot! on: November 04, 2009, 03:03:53 AM
Still, a picture proves nothing.

He does look stupid yeah but if I were him I would say a mate smokes weed and I was just messing about with it pretending to toke it. There isn't even any smoke in the picture, either in the bong itself or anywhere in the room.

12,000 cals a day, even if you could manage to not sleep and jog 24/7 you wouldn't need 12,000 cals. For a start you wouldn't even be able to crap it out lol.

The most calories I have heard is not even in bodybuilding - its SAS soldiers, who do eat 7000 cals a day. Then again they are walking 40 miles in 20 hours carrying a 35lb+ rucksack.

I know the topic is old but im f'kin bored shitless.  Grin
9  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Dbol - build up/down the dosage or have the same each day? on: November 04, 2009, 02:22:56 AM
I keep reading/hearing mixed opinions on this.

The conflicting arguments are:

1 - People that say have the same mg per day on every day of the cycle.

2 - People that say have a small dosage on the first week, then up it to double that on the second week, than have more the 3rd week then on the 4th week start to lower the dosage again to "wean" off it towards the end of the 6 weeks.

So for example:
Week 1 - 10mg/Day (2x 5mg tablets)
Week 2 - 20mg/Day (4x 5mg tablets)
Week 3 - 30mg/Day (6x 5mg tablets)
Week 4 - 30mg/Day (6x 5mg tablets)
Week 5 - 20mg/Day (4x 5mg tablets)
Week 6 - 10mg/Day (2x 5mg tablets)

Is this right?

Or is the first point right... you just have the same amount each day for 6 weeks?

Sorry if this has been covered before.
10  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Re: Have I worked this out properly... on: July 01, 2008, 08:43:24 AM
Hehe, yes the only people who gain 2 lbs a week are liars selling their own "magic" guide.

Well I am not selling any guide, but on average I am gaining 1 pound every 4 days, which is far beyond what I ever expected, it wasn't like this last time round, I think because I have doubled up on my protein intake this time its really making all the difference, it is THE difference between being stuck and being able to gain weight.

I can even feel my muscles bulging out, rubbing against my side etc and its only been a month of workouts. What is even more remarkable is, I have only done 3 excersizes: crunches (once or twice only), curls (maybe 4 or 5 times) and push ups (maybe 4 or 5 times).

In the last 30 days I have gone from 147 lbs to 155 lbs = 8 pounds.

So I am gaining 8 pounds a month or 2 lb a week, honestly, yeah that might not all be muscle, I accept that, but I look bigger in the mirror and feel stronger, have added weight to my bar, have gone through almost 2 tubs (2000g) of Whey Protein in the last 4 weeks... I am catching you guys up and you won't be able to take the piss out of my skinny frame anymore!  Grin

Well its funny but no one here ever does critisize anyone for being a lightweight, which is I guess a sign that people here are genuine on the whole, despite the banter and piss taking... well maybe I am clueless but isn't that why I am here annoying/asking you lot stuff?

You know I wouldn't dare say this to you in real life, lol. But I do respect anyone who can get into the shape most of you guys are in... I started off wanting to be as built as Brad Pitt but I am not sure now, I want to be bigger than that... this stuff is an addiction, I want to look like a hero! Like those Roman statues of their "gods"

How many people actually look like this... perfect... not many...

http://www.francoermarmista.com/statue/roman_man_statue.jpg

Look how defined he is, every muscle is in exact proportion, etc.

I believe these Roman gods were probably fat lazy knackers who just chopped off the heads of about 20 sculpters before some guy chipped out one that did look like a god/hero. These Roman guys didn't look like this FFS.
11  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Re: Have I worked this out properly... on: June 29, 2008, 05:26:57 AM
You think you'll get fat from a 1 month rest? Well then I would just do cardio FFS. I have never been fat. I have lost fat over the last 4 weeks, since starting training again. If I got fat easy... why am I always banging on about gaining weight?! I barely do gain weight, but I have gained half a stone in the last month whilst losing some fat, so its all going good. I read the third post by nzmusclemonster which is the first mention of a plateau and I am not even disputing it "carrying on with my own ideas" etc... amazes me how things turn nasty so easy around here, but then half the people are pumped full of testotserone so I dunno man, have a f**king spliff or something.

If you think I came here to dispute people who, provably from their own pictures, have been there and done it and now look huge - WTF! Yes, thats why I registered here - I registered here because I don't want to know anything about bodybuilding. Roll Eyes
12  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Re: Have I worked this out properly... on: June 28, 2008, 04:32:30 AM
You are clueless.

Thanks, that really helps.

I guess its always easier to just quickly insult someone, rather than actually help.

Not too sure how me being clueless fits in when I am only saying whats happened for me personally re: the plateau.

OK so my theory is, you can gain more muscle mass by resting 1 month as opposed to doing the same muscle every 48 hours, so the 1 month rest wipes out the plateau completely, tell me why thats wrong?

I can't be wrong though dude if I am talking from personal experience, its like you telling me I didn't go shopping yesterday when I did.

Maybe this forum just ain't here to be a resource.

There is plenty of info here:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/bbinfo.php?page=PlateauBusting
13  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Re: Have I worked this out properly... on: June 27, 2008, 08:01:54 PM
Set up some small range achievable goals,and keep the 70 pounds as your long range goal.

No natural or even a guy using gear is gonna` add 70 pounds of muscle in 35 weeks.

In the beginning,gains come fast then you plateau and they level off and it`s a battle at times to gain an ounce of muscle.

Be patient and read all you can about bodybuilding for beginners.

Good luck.

The plateau thing though - what if you have a long rest like 1 month, then take up weights again? Isn't the sole cause of a "plateau" the fact that your muscles become "too" accustomed to the stress? Its naturally what muscles will do, but the point is always to add weight? I don't think its just a case of adding weight and you need a long rest, even... oh god... shrink a little... but then 1 month later do a killer workout, aching muscles for 1 week = HUGE gains.

Its only a theory, unless what I am talking about is well known to stop the plateau?

I gained 4 lbs in 2 weeks first 2 weeks then gained really nothing the next week, my muscles seemed to adapt so fast, but they became a lot stronger and a lot bigger in comparison with their own size, on that first workout - my muscles ached for 1 week!

Surely thats the key - aching muscles... no pain no gain and all that... how to avoid the plateau though, I say QUIT workin out so freaking much! Then boom, shock yourself once more and take it to the next level.

14  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Re: Have I worked this out properly... on: June 27, 2008, 04:14:47 PM
What is your age roundabout?
Trying to see how you can pull of
70 pounds.
For example
In 8th grade I was around 140
In my 30's I'm 230
It took ALOT but I gained 60 pounds in a year and a half
but I was in a bad accident and was down from 210 and went to 170
and could not walk.
I'm now at 230 but prob at 15 percent body fat


What donkey said... naturally?

I only aim for gaining 70 lbs because why aim for any less?

I won't be disappointed if I only gain a bit.

Its right what donkey said though about even weighing yourself... I am only about 11st now but I look in the mirror and can see, like if I cross my arms, I have got bigger theres no doubt about that.

Its also true when you're a skinny bastard like me @ what... 155 lbs, when you gain 5 lbs you REALLY notice it because you added a considerable percentage of your own bodyweight there - 14lbs added to 155lbs man means a skinny wretch turns into a kinda well-defined person! Still a skinny mofo yeah but he is catching up!

Weighing yourself can be inaccurate if say, you'r losing fat as well as gaining muscle - you're then gaining more than you think, which is of course the best scenario, hehe.

So you reckon stop bothering about weight... do some killer workouts for the next 6 months and see what I weigh in 6 months... thats actually a cracking idea... I have always got my mirror! Its not vanity though its only to keep myself in check, thats my defence anyway.

15  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Sometimes my muscles don't ache although I follow the rules! on: June 27, 2008, 03:55:36 PM
I lift weights like so: 6 reps, 3 sets.

6 reps because I can only lift the weight 6 times and 3 reps because I just heard thats all you need to do, like the optimum.

Problem is, the first time I lifted weights since a long break, my muscles were shot to hell for a week, aching the whole week, I just stuffed myself with food all that week and got way dstronger off that first one where I really shocked my muscles.

Problem is, I am adding weight etc, I can only lift the weight 6 times still but its heavier now so thats proof of strength gains... but my muscles sometimes just don't ache!

I WANT MY MUSCLES TO ACHE LIKE SHIT -NO PAIN NO GAIN.

So does anyone have any suggestions where 6 reps x 3 sets isn't doing it.

Should I make the weight lighter and lift more reps (a silly idea I think since the weight is all lost then)

OR

Should I just do more sets? like try doing 4 sets, then the next time try 5 etc and see if I can make mu muscles ache again like that first time? That is whan i made crazy gains in strength! I think perhaps even leaving it for a month then suddenly working out could be more beneficial than people think... unless its just me but I can't screw myself up at all if I am remotely "used to" it. Sad

Sounds funny, but yes I want my muscles to ache like shit the next morning and they don't.

I always struggled to gain weight but is it possible theres another factor here thats often, generally, ignored? I mean - perhaps some body types adapt TOO FAST to lifting weights? I mean, you don't do weight for an entire month... then do a gruelling workout, you'll know about it! But if you do the same muscles every 48 hours... it seems silly to me, its far too much of a set routine and I think even once a week could even be "too much" perhaps, for me personally, if i have some sort of odd metabolism where my muscles adapt fast to changes/stress and thats it - its then VERY tough indeed to really rip the muscles, unless the muscle becomes again "not used to" it.

Would you lose any bulk or strength if you left a muscle group alone for a whole month?

I say no because just cycling (pushbike not Stebeds) years ago (like 10 years ago) my muscles are still defined from than and I wasn't even trying to get bigger back then, knew zero about how people got bigger, I just naively thought they were born that way or worked out 18 hours a day, LMAO.

16  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Re: Have I worked this out properly... on: June 15, 2008, 04:45:45 PM
Maybe you're over-complicating things when all the chart shows is what you'll gain if you gain "X" amount per week on average. Don't tell me you never weigh yourself? If you do then you do know what you're gaining per week on average - you know because you weigh yourself - therefore you can refer to that chart to see where you'll be IF you carry on gaining at the rate you have for say, the last 4 weeks.

It wasn't me "claiming to gain 2 lbs from some mathmatical formula" really.

I gained 2 lbs without that formula dude!
17  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Re: So you're natural but... on: June 10, 2008, 10:31:28 AM
I would take it as a compliment to all your hard work of the past and continue to always be natural. If people think you have had juice when you haven't, then you don't need juice - a logical assumption? I mean if people already think you've had juice then having juice will accomplish... what exactly? People will just think it 10x more then and you won't feel the same way about your own personal mission and "not cheating" etc, plus you won't look natural. If you're big and its natural - lucky bastard I say, all the more reason to never touch juice - you don't need to, its not like you have some phobia about being skinny like I do!




18  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Re: ASK Mr TAIWAN? Q&A Thread on: June 10, 2008, 10:24:22 AM
Mr. Taiwan, you're 54 and look about 30  Grin

Plus, are stronger than most people of any age.

Glad to read you saying the stuff I am doing - heavy weights, lots of whey protein, no steroids. Smiley

I notice you have a normal looking neck (not fat) so thats it for me, I trust you when you say no steroids!

You look naturally well defined too, instead of "swollen" like you would from steroids.


19  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Re: MONSTER TRICEPS! Ask JROD (Nattie BB CHAMP) Q & A on: June 10, 2008, 10:19:47 AM
Their arms are double the size of my legs.

They must have 60Kg of discs on their back when they do push ups!

20  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Re: What do YOU like about Natural Bodybuilding? or being a Natural Bodybuilder? on: June 10, 2008, 10:11:11 AM
What do YOU like about Natural Bodybuilding? or being a Natural Bodybuilder?

1 - A normally defined neck instead of a neck as wide as your head. Its obvious anyone who looks like that is on Stebeds!

2 - No anger, not "excessive and artificial" anger anyway aka roid rage.

Mainly though all the things everyone said - not cheating your way there injecting stuff only a bull or horse is meant to have.

I can feel my muscles rubbing against my arms from just the 2 sets (x3) of push ups I have done in the last 5 days... thats without steroids so thats enough for me.

Arn't you only meant to see big gains from steroids if you're already like... 180 lbs or whatever and have good muscle there already to rip and build on and also is it not true only the first cycle ever has the maximum effect - any afterwards don't? Even 10 years after etc I mean?



21  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Re: Have I worked this out properly... on: June 10, 2008, 10:05:15 AM
Hehe...

DonkeyKong
Posts: 11484

 Cheesy
22  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Re: Have I worked this out properly... on: June 09, 2008, 07:57:42 PM
BodyBuilding is not mathematics I know but those charts are just to see, if you put on X amount on average then you can easily see what one year of training will give you - doesn't matter about what the training even is, in fact the charts do not even need to apply to bodybuilding, they apply if you just want to put on fat but - who in their right mind would do that, lol. Me a few years back when I was 9 St 7 Lbs but not now. I have a little bit of flab round my belly and I am only 10St 12Lbs now but... I sure don't need any more fat! Can always be run off with 4 weeks of cardio, although its damn efficient fat (hard to get rid of which is actually a good thing body-wise, assuming you are not too fat to start with)

OK enough of the bullshit...

I am well on target, heres the full story...

April/May/June 2006 I weighed 133 Pounds! (9 St 7 Lbs). This is the very first time I so much as touched a bar or bell. This is the first time i did a sit up and guess what - I could not even sit up once, now I am no doctor but that is f**king atrocious, just extremely unhealthy... but I kept at it and saw my muscles appearing by the week...  I only did 3 months or whatever, maybe less, then I had my appendix out and just never took up the weights again, until now...

August 2006 I had my appendix out and stopped doing weights. I had gone from 133 pounds to 147 pounds in 3 months. IMO if you can go from being a skinny beggar (133 pounds) to 147 pounds in 3 months and see your muscles, feel the strength, need another 5-10-15-20 Kg on the bar etc... you have no worries, all these skinny people - have they ever TRIED to do weights ever in their entire lifetime? I never did! I thought big guys were big because they spent 8 hours a day in the gym... oh what?! My workouts of 6 reps x 3 sets don't even add up to 8 minutes a week nevermind 8 hours a day... it shows how mis-educated I was. I had no clue why or how muscly people got that way! Then you find Whey Protein and it all comes together - EAT LOADS OF WHEY PROTEIN!

So I gained 14 pounds in 3 months, about. I dunno how long I was doing weights for... can't be more than 3 months... this is about 4.5 pounds a month gained - which is not good enough, the "benchmark" so to speak, what I aim for, is 2 lbs a week.

I always considered myself to be a struggler when it comes to gaining weight until I realized I never excersized, or ate enough.

Fast forward to now (June 2008), about 10 days ago I started doing weights again. I could do 2 or 3 reps with the weight I used to do 6 reps with, but didn't take any weight off and overdid it a bit. My arms ached for 4 days - I felt like shit and got a little worried, had a migraine at one point too, I intended to overdo it yeah but only to rip my muscles, not to half nuke them!!

Now, they eventually healed and you know what - even after one workout, I feel stronger.

Now I weigh 10 St 12 Lbs and have put on 2 pounds in the last 7 days, with all things being equal (weighed myself at the same time of day each time)

Every pound counts when you're as thin as me. Currently 5' 10" and 152 lbs.

Lets see where I am in 6 months - without steroids (I don't want a fat neck, or anger!)

If I aim for 152 to 192 lbs in 6 months, thats +40 pounds which is roughly 1.5 pounds a week.

If you read this whole post and want 15 minutes of your life back, tough shit m8. Tongue

23  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Re: Have I worked this out properly... on: June 05, 2008, 07:03:58 PM
I weigh 10 st 7 lbs (147 lbs) at the moment so I worked out a set of
figures ranging from 0.1 lb a week to 2.0 lb a week in gains over a 52
week period.

This covers all bases. If I am a freak I would only put on 0.1 lb a week.

Likewise putting on 2 lbs a week again is freaky (too much for 52 weeks,
see the figures)

So maybe around 0.5 lbs a week is what I should aim for? That would be
10 st 7 lbs to 12 st 4 lbs in 12 months. This doesn't seem unreasonable
to me.

 0.1 LBS a week x 52 weeks = 5.20 LBS = 0.37 ST = Weight @ 10.87 ST
 0.2 LBS a week x 52 weeks = 10.4 LBS = 0.74 ST = Weight @ 11.24 ST
 0.3 LBS a week x 52 weeks = 15.6 LBS = 1.11 ST = Weight @ 11.61 ST
 0.4 LBS a week x 52 weeks = 20.8 LBS = 1.49 ST = Weight @ 12.00 ST
 0.5 LBS a week x 52 weeks = 26.0 LBS = 1.86 ST = Weight @ 12.36 ST
 0.6 LBS a week x 52 weeks = 31.2 LBS = 2.23 ST = Weight @ 12.73 ST
 0.7 LBS a week x 52 weeks = 36.4 LBS = 2.60 ST = Weight @ 13.10 ST
 0.8 LBS a week x 52 weeks = 41.6 LBS = 2.97 ST = Weight @ 13.47 ST
 0.9 LBS a week x 52 weeks = 46.8 LBS = 3.34 ST = Weight @ 13.84 ST
 1.0 LBS a week x 52 weeks = 52.0 LBS = 3.71 ST = Weight @ 14.20 ST
 1.1 LBS a week x 52 weeks = 57.2 LBS = 4.09 ST = Weight @ 14.59 ST
 1.2 LBS a week x 52 weeks = 62.4 LBS = 4.46 ST = Weight @ 14.96 ST
 1.3 LBS a week x 52 weeks = 67.6 LBS = 4.83 ST = Weight @ 15.33 ST
 1.4 LBS a week x 52 weeks = 72.8 LBS = 5.20 ST = Weight @ 15.70 ST
 1.5 LBS a week x 52 weeks = 78.0 LBS = 5.57 ST = Weight @ 16.07 ST
 1.6 LBS a week x 52 weeks = 83.2 LBS = 5.94 ST = Weight @ 16.44 ST
 1.7 LBS a week x 52 weeks = 88.4 LBS = 6.31 ST = Weight @ 16.81 ST
 1.8 LBS a week x 52 weeks = 93.6 LBS = 6.69 ST = Weight @ 17.19 ST
 1.9 LBS a week x 52 weeks = 98.8 LBS = 7.06 ST = Weight @ 17.56 ST
 2.0 LBS a week x 52 weeks = 104  LBS = 7.43 ST = Weight @ 17.93 ST


These charts work the same for anyone...

 0.1 LBS a week x 52 weeks = +5.20 LBS (+0.37 ST)
 0.2 LBS a week x 52 weeks = +10.4 LBS (+0.74 ST)
 0.3 LBS a week x 52 weeks = +15.6 LBS (+1.11 ST)
 0.4 LBS a week x 52 weeks = +20.8 LBS (+1.49 ST)
 0.5 LBS a week x 52 weeks = +26.0 LBS (+1.86 ST)
 0.6 LBS a week x 52 weeks = +31.2 LBS (+2.23 ST)
 0.7 LBS a week x 52 weeks = +36.4 LBS (+2.60 ST)
 0.8 LBS a week x 52 weeks = +41.6 LBS (+2.97 ST)
 0.9 LBS a week x 52 weeks = +46.8 LBS (+3.34 ST)
 1.0 LBS a week x 52 weeks = +52.0 LBS (+3.71 ST)

 1.1 LBS a week x 52 weeks = +57.2 LBS (+4.09 ST)
 1.2 LBS a week x 52 weeks = +62.4 LBS (+4.46 ST)
 1.3 LBS a week x 52 weeks = +67.6 LBS (+4.83 ST)
 1.4 LBS a week x 52 weeks = +72.8 LBS (+5.20 ST)
 1.5 LBS a week x 52 weeks = +78.0 LBS (+5.57 ST)
 1.6 LBS a week x 52 weeks = +83.2 LBS (+5.94 ST)
 1.7 LBS a week x 52 weeks = +88.4 LBS (+6.31 ST)
 1.8 LBS a week x 52 weeks = +93.6 LBS (+6.69 ST)
 1.9 LBS a week x 52 weeks = +98.8 LBS (+7.06 ST)
 2.0 LBS a week x 52 weeks = + 104  LBS (+7.43 ST)

24  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Re: Have I worked this out properly... on: May 26, 2008, 08:36:51 PM
Yes, its a flight of fantasy to suggest "150 to 220 pounds in 52 weeks" but thats well below the 2 pounds a week thing everyone says.

In the beginning... I like that because after 1 month, a skinny guy (150LB) can look at least not so skinny, I only did about 10 workouts last time round and it shows... I am on the unflavoured whey protein - and lots of it! Think I had about 60 grams in the last 2.5 hours, yummy!



25  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Natural Bodybuilding / Re: Gallery of The Natural Ideal on: May 25, 2008, 02:02:51 PM
Look for the fat neck = steroids.

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