To all you assholes who said he volunteered and quit whining, have never been a part of something bigger than yourselves!! So the measure of a man is to make six figures? Typical "frat boy" mentality. When mom and dad pay for college it is easy to judge. I served six years in the US Navy, got out and raised a family. To all who said you  could have been special forces, give me a fucking break. Why didn't you sign up?  Eat a bag of shit and die!

The linus pauling institute at oregon university says you can reach tissue saturation of Vit-C with only 200mgs. This is easily acheived with proper nutrition. It has to be better for your body to get Vit-C from food than synthetic pills. I used to beleave the hype from vitamin companies. Save your $$$$$ for groceries and fruits and veggies!!

Sadly, when vitaminshoppe has 50% off, the item is being phased out.

I used to buy whey,amino's etc... What a huge waste of money!! After research and soul searching, I decided to concentrate on real food.  I do take Vitamin-C 1000 non-acidic   and lecithin. Together they cost  $17.00 for a 100 day supply. It works out to $5.10 a month, not too bad for strictly health supplements. Being a family man, I also buy my "bodybuilding" food at Aldi. Oatmeal, eggs, chicken, and lots of fresh produce. Excellent prices!!  I feel better now than when taking all that crap.

Oldtimer1, reading your posts are like being in my own head. I too am in my fifties[53] and a huge fan of mentzer. When I first started training back in 1978 I used a whole body workout 3 times a week. I trained on First generation Nautilus equipment. Literally gained 20lbs. muscle in 2 years drug free. Over the years Family took priority etc... Now I have the free time to train as much as I want. Tried using the later teachings of mentzer and really felt like crap! Started back on the 3 day whole body  and feel great. My question is were mentzer/jones right in the 70's or in the 90's???  

Dear Princess L,  thank you for nudging me in aldi's direction!!! I was a snob about where I shopped until my wife had to retire do to health reasons. We lost over 20 grand a year, so it was hard to justify spending lots of $$$$ on bodybuilding  food.  I can go to aldi's with $40.00 and come home with LOTS of eggs, oatmeal, produce etc...  Their greek yogurt is all natural and tastes great!! Thanks again, barretta.

While I prefer to get my protein from egg whites and chicken breasts, whey protein has its uses. Having said that, EAS is owned by abbott labs. They are a HUGE company! They also own Ensure etc... Champion nutrition is made in florida by natures products, a company from Columbia, south america. So before you say" It's garbage" please do some research about who makes your protein or vitamins.

Vitamin C helps with recovery after a workout, take it with your evening meal. It also helps with collagen production. Just make sure you take a non-acidic form with bioflavonoids. If you take it daily, your immune function will improve. Also very cheap for what it does for you. I know I will get flack for saying this, but pick up a copy of Franco's "the bodybuilders nutrition book". Very good indepth info about vitamins and minerals.

Back when I was competing,we used to tie a onion to our trunks which was the style at the time..........

If GH15 is real, why would you listen to someone who never won the olympia??? Since he failed, he wants everybody else to think it must be the drugs, not hard work and genetics. Good luck in the hospital, or worse prison following his protocol.

So what is the point? If I understand most of the posts here, there is no reason to train hard, diet and improve yourself!! Is everyone here so low in self esteem that you can't build muscle without a shitload of drugs?? Maybe he is natural. Since the rest of you losers are too busy trying to bring him down instead of bettering yourself, just go eat a bag of shit!!  Was john holmes 14 inch cock all drugs?? Did you ever hear of "gifted"?  STOP bringing your lazy pathetic stupid ass views here!! No fucking wonder ice curling is getting TV coverage and not our "sport"!!  thanks for letting an old man rant and rave.
 

YES!!!

READ FRANCO COLUMBU'S NUTRITION BOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am 52 years old and I am as strong today as twenty years ago. The only difference is the next day after legs, I don't have the recovery I used to have.

I started this exact routine about 8 months ago. Only doing it because of my age[52]. I am actually getting healthy on it. You stoke your metabolism with this routine. Plus, since it is all machine work, my joints don't hurt either. My son calls it "the old man routine"!!

by MUNT i mean, hey tyrone how long you been here? about six munt!

Typical "MUNT" mentality. The romans had roads,the english had ships,the USA put a man on the moon. what the fuck good ever came from africa? AIDS? genocide? famine? goodrum?

Hey superman, do yourself a favor and don't use any protein or creatine supps at all for  6  months!! Years ago I bought into all that crap until I read Franco Columbu's book on nutrition. You will be better off eating steak, chicken, fish etc.  Don't forget lots of fresh veggies and you will grow like a weed!! If you must take supplements, do some research on top quality vitamin companies. A high quality multi-vitamin and some non-acidic vitamin c is all you need to help you utilize your food better and stay healthy. Seriously, I have been lifting since the seventies and still going strong! just try it for 6 months, put your hard earned money towards good food and the vitamins and your body will thank you. Take care, Barretta.

I am 51 years old and I understand exactly where you are coming from. "bodybuilding" is supposed to "enhance" your life and health. If you can keep it in check, it really does. The only time  you should obsess about it is if you are entering a contest for prize money aka "pro". The workout routine I follow is 3 days a week, monday,wednesday,friday. After years of dilusional training, I do a complete body workout every workout. I do a couple of light warmup sets and one WORK set to failure for each excercise. I move from machine to machine without  a break and I get a great pump and sweat going!! People actually can't  get that it works, It's great!! It also only takes about 45 minutes to a hour to complete. Good luck and  enjoy your training and most importantly, your life. barreta.

Good luck Vic. I have seen you improve over the years, since the  "high energy gym" days. Take care and kick some butt at the nationals!!!     barretta

Who really cares about all this shit? It is not about how much protein you eat but how much you assimilate. If you read Franco Columbu's book on nutrition you would be enlightened! Even mike mentzer said you don't need a shitload of protein. Both of those guys have done more than most of us on getbig.

Don't forget his role on King of Queens. Actually, not bad at all. I met Lou one night. It was oct.93. right after the olympia. He was in great shape. We talked about what ed corney was up to and stuff like that. You guys can say what you want, but you could see that he still LOVES bodybuilding.

The magnesium relaxes you, and the B6 makes you have vivid dreams. I was taking 100mgs of B6 years ago and you talk about dreams!! It was like veiwmaster porno!!

I like Nutraceutical corp. They manufacture solaray, natures life, kal, thompson, ultimate nutrition etc......

Lets put this in perspective. It is all about money. Nothing else but money!!! Look at all the different people selling whey protein now. Is our self esteem that low that we shell out big dollars so we can get a few more grams of protein in hopes "someday" being " mr. whatever" ?? I have been lifting since the seventies and supplement companies come and go. Take a look at Bill Phillips in the  "body of work" video. He has a beautiful home, private jet, lamborghini etc... You get my drift??? Unless you are a professional, save your $$$$ buy a home, take vacations. You still will be in better shape than most people and have hundreds if not thousands in more  you pocket. If you train hard, eat right, the muscles will grow. If you must take supplements just try some type of vitamin pack. All I take is vit-c, multi. Still going strong at 51 years young!!!