no, tren makes you a brain dead insomniac and dbol makes you turn up to all your interviews bald.

I got 99 problems and I can relate to this one.

Actually his back wasnt that great in his earlier years... and after losing a show against a guy who had a better back than him he went back to the drawing board and did things a lot differently there after... he has said he considers the pullover machine 'priceless' in the quest for a great back.... its kind of ridiculous more gyms don't have pullover machines, the biggest muscle in the upper body and you cant train it directly in most gyms lol.......   Kai greene also abuses a nautilus pullover machine afaik and look at his lats.  

I owned both the nautilus pullover and double shoulder a while back.... great machine's but not the holy grail some people make them out to be.

Yates was untouchable in the Olympia for 6 years straight vs some guys who i would argue have better genetics than him, he just trained smarter/harder.

And its true you absolutely need to be making gradual strength increases over time to make your muscles bigger...volume training just doesnt do that very well.... Yates said in an interview he has workout logs dating right back to his first workout and he continually got stronger year to year.... it can be done, you just need to know how to continually expose your muscles to a stress it hasnt already adapted/grown to handle which is what HIT based routines do best.

You dont really burn much fat during HIIT and the post metabolic boost from HIIT style training that is supposed to be advantageous  really isnt all that much.  It also tends to be draining to the point where it can affect your weight training workouts...which you definitely dont want when looking to lose fat/retain muscle mass.   Low intensity + calorie/carb control is the way to go.

The only people that tend to do well with volume based routines are guys who are complete genetic freaks like Coleman.   Dorian had good genes for bodybuilding but compared to Ronnie....they were terrible.  Dorian actually did somewhat higher volume stuff earlier on in his career (although still less than most) and made some progress with it... and then got to a point where he could not add anymore muscle to his frame... until he reduced the volume and upped the intensity some more.  The same was true for Mike Mentzer, he actually nearly quit bodybuilding entirely as the amount of time he was spending in the gym weekly thinking more volume was the answer was too much of time investment.    If you spend enough time in various gyms you will see this holds true for most lifters....they tend to make some initially good progress, then never ever change after that point and look the same month after month year after year... what do all of these guys have in common?  They do mid to high volume set routines....  The intesnity just inst there when you train like that, the muscle fibres just dont get torched like they need to be.  This pretty much happened to me too.... i figured maybe i was just maxed out genetic wise, so I  upped the drug dosage....no extra gains....added more food...just got fatter.... couldnt not grow a single ounce more muscle mass, wasnt until i really upped the intensity was i able to take my physique somewhere i didnt think it could go and I am still growing/getting stronger weekly.

every 48-72 hours is optimal for growth.

If you think volume training is the key to maximizing growth you REALLY dont have this stuff figured out at all.

So e's/coke make you burn several thousand more calories a day?

Could you be a bit more specific about his dosages?  may come in handy when I formulate my next cutting stack.   

There is a huge difference in BMR between some individuals.  This is why you have some guys that become overweight very easily and people will say to him 'oh he must eat so much hes so greedy' or 'hes so lazy' when in actual fact hes eating the same stuff and doing the same physical activity as those people saying that about him....but is allways at a surplus because his BMR is so much lower.   These individuals also tend to have a very difficult time losing weight because they have to take their calories so much lower than other people to create the deficit or spend all day on a treadmill....  

The ectomorph is the complete opposite of that.

Zyzz ate 5000kcal a day when putting on size.....did he ever get fat?

I know an ecto who ate 6000kcal everyday for an entire year and only gained 1lbs a week - had to forcefeed homeade shakes to hit those numbers consistently.  Outside of the gym he did virtually no physical activity (worked as a computer programmer)  He did gain some fat as well as muscle, but you stick the avg guy on a diet like that with that lifestyle he will gain 4-5lbs of fat a week.

The True ecto metabolism is a sight to behold. 

legit ecto's  do actually maintain weight at around 4k a day LOL

Example:

nope, its a matter of if u have a shitty slow metabolism u gotta eat 1000 calories a day for months + do cardio.... VS ecto metabolism: eat 3000 calories a day still be in a deficit due to higher BMR.   

U irate you need to starve yourself and/or slave away on the treadmill?

tren test mast var.

Didnt get a whole lot from EQ... other than an appetite that was relentless...

You definitely lose some fullness when removing the orals from the mix, which is frustrating... but the fact they allow you to work with heavier weights translates to a decent amount of muscle tissue being built over time....isnt just water weight gains... this is why npp interests me, i wonder how it will effect my strength vs tren or how combining the both would work.... only one way to find out i guess

I Ramped up the dbol dosage to 100mg ED and made some very nice rapid strength/size gains doing this (taken pre workout) shit was getting expensive though, 10 days = 1 tub  I'll be getting hold of some anadrol next week and I'm curious to see how that works out for me.... may even mix it with dbol. 50mg dbol + 100mg drol ED in 6 weeks blasts.... seems that the two have good synergy together from what I've read... 

What have you found to be the best compounds to stack with tren if the goal is maximizing growth?

Does seem to be a little harder to source - at least in my area.

You'll probably get a pm in the next few mins 

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ditto.  Scoured various steroid forums for as much info as I could on npp, general consensus seems that npp > deca. Less sides @ higher dosgaes , less bloat, better strength gains.... I'm too impatient to run long esters anyways and if i plan on switching back and forth between tren and npp that could cause problems...

I may try 100mg tren /150mg npp ED and some drol see how things pan out.. if the sides are still to much, its time off completely from tren for me or maybe as low as 50mg ed with 200 npp.   One of the nice things about npp is you can run more test alongside it...which i just feel better on tbh + more libido... doesnt work out so well when you try that with tren.