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1  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ferguson 'victim' has rap sheet, robbed store same morning on: August 19, 2014, 05:11:16 PM
Understood.  I don't find either the cop's or kid's family response surprising.  The cops are probably always going to say it was a justified use of force, or at a minimum that they're investigating.  The family is going to paint the kid as a choir boy. 

I do think the orbital fracture was surprising.  I didn't expect that. 



Yes, precisely why I think the response and handling by the cops is the real issue here.





Tony,

This is what I watched that I was referring to.

Start ~ 1:53, he says it's consistent with him walking away, but it's also consistent with him having is arm up and facing the cop.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/17/justice-department-autopsy-brown-ferguson/14196559/

All other shots are conclusively from the front as I understand.
2  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ferguson 'victim' has rap sheet, robbed store same morning on: August 19, 2014, 02:43:07 PM
havent seen that at all, all the reports i have read said all the shots were from the front and the shots on his arms were makes it unlikely his hands were raised.


yeah, I guess it was the guy who helped with the family's autopsy.  He was saying that the one in the forearm could have been Brown with his back turned, or could've been facing the cop with his arm in the air.  But they also don't have access to all the other info that the prosecution has, so...remains to be seen.

3  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ferguson 'victim' has rap sheet, robbed store same morning on: August 19, 2014, 02:40:47 PM
You didn't see the huffington post headline saying arrest the cop?  Or the CNN interview of the kid's family by Lemon where he was a straight up advocate?  What about the NFL players doing the "hands up" demonstration?  It's a circus. 

I know a number of people who have made up their minds. 


No, I meant people that I've actually talked to - family, friends, work, etc.  No doubt some have, but I think a lot of this is part and parcel to the police response.


It's not like the cop's side is any surprise.  He wasn't going to claim that he executed the guy on his knees for a minor skirmish, all of which he wrote down on paper before going to work and acting out the murder.  Roll Eyes
Of course he's going to claim he was in fear for his life.  Acting as though the cop has released some shocking news is just as absurd, IMO.

4  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Police State - Official Thread on: August 19, 2014, 02:03:29 PM
Village to give retiring millionaire cop a huge, ‘criminal’ payout







The vacation and the personal they have to cough up.  I think any private employer would be the same.  So, I think the sick is the real issue, but speaking from knowledge of other gov't agencies, when they don't pay out the sick, people start taking tons of sick leave prior to retirement.  So, they're paying it one way or another.  Not sure what, if anything, should be done about that.

5  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ferguson 'victim' has rap sheet, robbed store same morning on: August 19, 2014, 01:51:07 PM
Good commentary.

Theater of the Absurd in Ferguson, Missouri
Cal Thomas | Aug 19, 2014

It was in a college theater class that I learned about a genre called "Theater of the Absurd." These were plays written mostly by European playwrights between the 1940s and 1960s, as well as a certain style that flowed from their work.

What reminded me of this is now "playing" in Ferguson, Missouri, following the shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown, who was -- select one -- a) innocently walking down the street when a police officer shot him to death without provocation, or, b) walking with a friend in the street and told by a police officer to get on the sidewalk, whereupon a physical confrontation occurred and Brown allegedly tried to grab the officer's gun and was shot by the cop, now identified as Darren Wilson. This after Brown allegedly robbed a convenience store of some cigars and was seen on a store camera intimidating the clerk as he walked out, which may, or may not, have been related to the shooting.

The rioting and looting that followed and the pundits who weighed in with the familiar narrative about slavery, discrimination, stereotyping, joblessness, lack of education and absent fathers, are familiar scenes we have watched in incidents dating back to the race riots of the 1960s. Blue ribbon commissions have been appointed to study the "causes," laws have been passed, little has changed.

The Theater of the Absurd, as defined by The American Heritage Dictionary, is "A form of drama that emphasizes the absurdity of human existence by employing disjointed, repetitious, and meaningless dialogue, purposeless and confusing situations, and plots that lack realistic or logical development."

Doesn't this sound like Ferguson, Missouri, in recent days?

The cast of characters has expanded with the introduction of the National Guard, ordered to Ferguson by Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon to quell the unrest, much of it apparently fomented, according to some locals, by outsiders taking advantage of the situation to engage in criminal activity.<

Just how absurd things are getting in the St. Louis suburb and in some of the commentary written before all the facts are known can be seen in these headlines on the Drudge Report: "George Zimmerman attorney urges caution" (Zimmerman was found not guilty in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin); "Iran's Ayatollah weighs in;" "Jesse Jackson: 'state execution.'"

If jumping to conclusions were an Olympic sport, some of these loudmouths who insert themselves where they don't belong and frequently fan flames instead of working to extinguish them would win gold medals.

The shooting galleries in Chicago and other major cities leave hundreds dead each year. Most shooters and victims are black, or Hispanic, but only the local news gives coverage. There are no statements from the president. No FBI or Justice Department investigative task forces are sent from Washington. I have yet to hear a credible explanation for this.

It is the same when a child disappears. A white child, especially a female, gets a lot of attention, a black child, no matter the gender, not so much. Isn't this a form of racism?

One more question that adds to the absurdity: Why is so little attention paid to African-Americans who have overcome difficult circumstances to become responsible citizens and committed husbands and fathers? Possible answer: It doesn't play into the media's stereotypical portrayal of the black man as a frightening, threatening, menace to society. Blacks who loot stores make for more dramatic pictures than those who are law-abiding. (To their great credit, Brown's parents have repeatedly called for calm in Ferguson, to little avail.)

Don't the major media have a bias of their own in these matters?

It's all so absurd.

http://townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/2014/08/19/theater-of-the-absurd-in-ferguson-missouri-n1880177/page/full



Meh...I haven't talked to anyone who has made up their minds about the shooting itself.

I've come across plenty who are on one side or another regarding how the cops responded to things.  And, I think it's the police response that has basically continued to escalate the matter.

6  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: DOJ (Eric Holder) urged Ferguson Police not to release Brown robbery tape on: August 18, 2014, 05:14:16 PM
What difference does it make if he was an angel or not?

What matters is whether or not Wilson had just cause to shot him.



I would disagree.  If the cop knew this guy to be violent, it would contribute to whether or not he needed to use the force used.

Not sure releasing the tape was smart though.  I don't know if everyone is just taking it for gospel that it is Brown on the tape, or if that's been conclusively established.

7  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: No stop and frisk in NY=15 people shot in 8 hours on: August 18, 2014, 05:02:47 PM
Stop and frisk is unconstitutional amd an abuse of power IMHO.

The bigger stupidity here is NYC gun rules. Stop and frisk wouldnt be needed (like every other city) if the criminals knew their targets may be armed.

I find it funny that the two strictest cities on guns have had the most serious streaks of people being sho

Derp.



yep.  /end thread
8  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: DOJ (Eric Holder) urged Ferguson Police not to release Brown robbery tape on: August 18, 2014, 04:53:10 PM
nah mang, he was an angel that was going to sell those blunts to raise money for the church.

did you not get the email?


Have they confirmed the guy on tape was Brown?
9  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Should police be required to have uniform cameras? on: August 18, 2014, 04:46:07 PM
cant do that, unless there is a way to make sure they dont turn them on and off at will then they need to be on all the time. The footage should be held internally unless needed so the public ideally would never see instances like they one you mentioned.

If they can turn them on and off then there will be instances where they forget b/c they are human.


I'd have to think about that one.  Maybe with sufficient controls and protections, that may be a good idea.  I think I would be worried they would get caught up in a FOIA request or broad subpoena.

10  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Police State - Official Thread on: August 18, 2014, 04:41:13 PM
No, he resigned because the cops were taking bribes from pimps/dealers, busting and then fucking hookers and letting them go, confiscating drugs only to turn around and resell them or use them, and sitting around laughing about it with their superiors. All the way up to the highest level he was around, those guys treated the PD like an untouchable mob, and they all backed each other. He moved out of state and is a trooper here in Washington now.

He said it was like a bad movie.

The SWAT and e guys he shot with were not former military. I figured i didnt have to make that point. Military turned cops are obviously different, theyre military trained.





Damn...on one hand you know they will probably go Serpico on his ass.

On the other, you hope that he will be the one to bring down all the corruption!

11  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Should police be required to have uniform cameras? on: August 18, 2014, 04:35:56 PM
hahah trust me I dont see many towns at all not being ok with footing the bill for something like this. If what was posted in the other thread is true about a reduction in abuse claims then I imagine it would save money in the long run.


Agreed, when you factor in cost to maintain and training.

And there has to be tons of training, cause we all know the second something goes wrong, they'll claim they weren't properly trained.  Probably need a yearly 5-day stint in Hawaii to get 'properly' trained, lol.   Cheesy
12  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Should police be required to have uniform cameras? on: August 18, 2014, 04:32:53 PM
Would it help to prevent future backlash such as in the Michael Brown incident?

What concerns would the citizens have if this was a Nationwide policy?

These officers seem to be in favor of it.





Yes.  But as with anything else, there must be strict guidelines with officers held PERSONALLY ACCOUNTABLE.

If they need to go into a private residence for non criminal activity - like say telling a family member that someone died in a car accident - or interviewing rape victims in an emergency room, they need to turn the shit off.  Get back outside, need to turn the thing back on without a bunch of 'I forgot excuses'.


I think the real change needs to be this whole mentality that just because a cop tells you to do something, you should be expected to obey your master without question.  They rely on this mentality in courts where they justify these harsh and excessive uses of force.
13  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ferguson 'victim' has rap sheet, robbed store same morning on: August 18, 2014, 04:12:51 PM
Autopsy seems to fit right in line with the eye witness and the cops version of it



That's what I saw.  I guess they were saying the one on the arm could be him walking away or could be him facing the cop but his arm raised.  All other shots from the front.

14  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ferguson 'victim' has rap sheet, robbed store same morning on: August 18, 2014, 04:10:56 PM
You are trying to avoid tony's questions and assertions by bringing up garbage that has nothing to do with the altercartion between the cop and the "gentle giant".


No, I believe I've responded to what he said.

My posting of the other stuff was not in response to Tony.  I'm merely pointing out that the behavior of the cops is just as thuggish and disgusting as anything else in this case.
15  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ferguson 'victim' has rap sheet, robbed store same morning on: August 17, 2014, 02:32:38 PM
if johnson is telling the truth it should be very obvious in my opinion from the autopsy. If the cop stood over him while brown was on the ground and shot him the bullet wounds will show that.

If not I think its more likely this guy is full of shit.

If you were a betting man skip, which one are you putting your money on?



As a betting man, I think it's going to be hazy and there will be tons to put our time to waste arguing about and discussing on GB - intellectual legal center of the world.   Cool
16  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ferguson 'victim' has rap sheet, robbed store same morning on: August 17, 2014, 02:27:19 PM
the guy on the video is no cop skip he is just some random guy for the area who happend to be there at the time it all went down.





I think we're in agreement if we assume everything pans out at a trial, this would probably make for a more credible witness.

17  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ferguson 'victim' has rap sheet, robbed store same morning on: August 17, 2014, 02:26:16 PM
Gotta take out them reporters.  Who the fuck do they think they are trying to get the story?  Roll Eyes


18  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ferguson 'victim' has rap sheet, robbed store same morning on: August 17, 2014, 02:20:44 PM


But lets be honest for a second skip, who do you think is more credible the man who just committed a crime with the deceased or the bystander who supposedly saw it all happen?



I think at one time, I would have given deference to the cops.  Now...no way.  They disgust me just as much as the thugs.

I guess we would have to listen to all sides and make a judgment as with anything else, but I agree with you in the sense that he has everything to gain from lying about the incident.
19  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ferguson 'victim' has rap sheet, robbed store same morning on: August 17, 2014, 02:18:12 PM


http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/08/14/police_in_ferguson_tear_gas_tv_reporters_al_jazeera_camera_crew_flees.html


Here's those honest, trustworthy cops gassing reporters and taking out the equipment.

I see they're taking out the threat at McD's too!

Can't be too sure, those reporters might start the end of the world.  The safety of the cops is in jeopardy!!!

20  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ferguson 'victim' has rap sheet, robbed store same morning on: August 17, 2014, 02:09:44 PM
As I noted, you don't know, you can't know.

But hey, he was black, he was a thug, cop version must be right.  Afterall, they're so honest, lol.
21  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ferguson 'victim' has rap sheet, robbed store same morning on: August 17, 2014, 02:06:54 PM
Dorian Johnson was him, Tony.  Here's what he's saying:



Here's the version of events given by Dorian Johnson, a friend of Brown.

- The officer told the two men to get on the sidewalk.

- Officer tried to open his car door, but could not because the two men were so close to his vehicle.

- Officer grabbed Brown by the neck and tried to pull him into the car.





http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/08/14/details-witness-accounts-vs-police-version-michael-brown-shooting
22  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ferguson 'victim' has rap sheet, robbed store same morning on: August 17, 2014, 02:02:47 PM
It looked as if Michael was pushing off and the cop was trying to pull him in, Tiffany Mitchell told CNN on Wednesday night.


http://fox2now.com/2014/08/14/witnesses-to-michael-browns-shooting-detail-his-last-minutes/
23  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ferguson 'victim' has rap sheet, robbed store same morning on: August 17, 2014, 01:59:29 PM
no where in there did it ever say the officer pulled the guy in through the window...where do you get that?

Him trying to leave the officer after the confrontation doesnt mean the officer pulled him in. If the officer was trying to detain him dont you think he would have been trying to keep him from fleeing?

Again please show me a link to an article where it says that the cop pulled him in through the window like you stated.



They are talking about inside the car.  In the link, the cop tried to open the door, but it richoted back on him.

Again, you've made up something you don't know.
24  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ferguson 'victim' has rap sheet, robbed store same morning on: August 17, 2014, 01:51:38 PM
they couldnt find three better looking chicks for that?


We agree 100% here.
25  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ferguson 'victim' has rap sheet, robbed store same morning on: August 17, 2014, 01:51:04 PM
Skip there has been a huge rush to judgement on behalf of the protestors. They believe the video release was to incite more tension Roll Eyes. They believe this was a honest law abiding kid who was just minding his own business when he was gunned down by the police.

The fact is the kid was not law abiding, the fact is the kid had a few minutes earlier robbed a store.

All I am saying is lets get the facts first and by all accounts I have heard the story is the cop was pushed and assaulted into his police car



I would guess the media is not too happy right now.  They're gassing reporters.  There's videos showing the cops running in afterwards and pointing the camera's downwards after they gassed them for fucks sake.  They're arresting them for being in a fucking fast food joint.  This is inane, unacceptable behavior.  WTF?

I'm sure this guy was no saint.  I don't give a fuck.  What matters is what happened during the incident and I don't want cops playing judge, jury, and executioner.

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