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1  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Terror watch list has grown exponentially since 2009 on: July 22, 2014, 07:48:20 PM
And with no means of getting your name off it.  WTF?
2  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Romney v Obama debate - LMFAO x 1,000,000 how wrong O-twink was on: July 22, 2014, 07:46:02 PM
Careful now.  You already have two groupies. 



33 must be slacking.  I think he used to have like 6 stalkers at one point.

Gotta step up the pace, lol.
3  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death on: July 22, 2014, 07:43:29 PM
I am not arguing that all resistance is the same but to say that his actions did not result in the escalation of the situation is dishonest...

he is dead b/c he refused the orders and resisted being taken into custody by abusive cops who failed to control themselves. The abusive cops with lack of control would not have been in the situation to be abusive and lose control enough to kill him if he had not helped escalate the situation. THAT DOES NOT EXCUSE THE COPS ACTIONS

I think youre to emotionally involved in this bro. I have not once defended the cops actions, they should be dealt with as the force used was excessive.

But that doesnt excuse the mans actions either, he had a hand in the escalation of the situation. There is absolutely no way to deny that!!!





Of course you're defending the cops.  You're just trying to play it both ways.


This is the crux of your argument and says it all:
 
"The abusive cops with lack of control would not have been in the situation to be abusive and lose control enough to kill him if he had not helped escalate the situation"

They were NOT in a situation to be abusive and lose control.  You want it to be that way because you want to claim he's partially at fault.   

This is like a saying a battered woman contributed to her own beating because she did something to trigger the abusive husband....like I said, an absurd argument.

4  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death on: July 22, 2014, 06:45:10 PM
Skip he resisted being taken into custody, if had been peaceful and cooperative do you think they would have put him in a chokehold?

if not, then yes his actions played a role in the escalation of the situation. There is no way to dispute that...

who said anything about being obedient? there is a time and a place for everything and when youre surrounded by 3 cops its not the time to resist being taken into custody!!!!

would it make it better if he was guilty skip?



Of course it's disputable and you're merely trying to argue that all resistance is the same. 

Trying to argue that because he put up light - and we're talking VERY light resistance - means that it led to the cops using an excessive amount of force, thus he contributed to his own death, is absurd.

He's dead because the cops are abusive.

He's dead because the cops failed to control themselves.

They'll probably walk, because all too many people will take your view and think he brought it on himself because wasn't strictly obedient.
5  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death on: July 22, 2014, 02:53:32 AM
disagree, my argument is valid b/c without him resisting and without him refusing to go along with the police he too was responsible for the confrontation.

you cannot willfully get into the confrontation and then take no responsibility for the outcome of that confrontation.

Lol look if they were just talking and the guy got clobbered that would be one thing and I would be right there with you. This guy was given many orders and he refused to go along, he responded to negatively when they tried to take him into custody.

Look I am not defending the cops, they obviously over reacted and need to be dealt with but to say that this guy had no hand in the situation and by extension the outcome is dishonest.

Be polite, do what they ask and after that file a complaint. Dont sit there and get upset and refuse orders and then act suprised when they get physical with you.

Did you guys really expect them to just walk away after he got agitated?



He told them not to touch him and tried to turn away.  That's it!  You're claiming that means he contributed to his own death.  It's absurd.

Strict obedience to authority is not what we as a society should ever be required to display.  He had every right to ask questions of them, and in most State's you have every right to resist an unlawful arrest.  BTW...you have no idea if he was even guilty in this matter, they could have harassing him for his previous record.

Giving that they were willing to murder him over some untaxed smokes, it wouldn't surprise me if the arrest was unlawful to begin with.  Like I said, his big crime was fucking with the salaries of cops, prosecutors, and judges.

 
6  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death on: July 21, 2014, 07:07:40 PM
Yes malbert who said that?

The cops used excessive force does that mean this guys past and his actions of resisting and refusing to follow orders didn't play a role in this?

Let's all be intellectually honest here and admit the he played a role in his own death.





Meh...he didn't do himself any favors, but I don't think he contributed to his own death.  You're argument is really only valid if he continued to escalate his resistance to a point where killing him via a choke hold was the only option...and we don't really see that ever happening.

What we see is cops viciously beating the shit outta somebody cause they keep their arms close, or don't move an arm behind their back, or don't drop to their knees immediately, and then our lapdog society buying the officer's bullshit about being in fear of their life.

I don't think Mal was referring to any of us, but I would agree that minorities are disproportionately affected by the abuse.

7  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Israel and Gaza - discussion on: July 21, 2014, 06:55:57 PM
What would $620+ million dollars do to improve our border security? That's what the US is sending Isreal for it's missile security system, about double what was initially allocated. Done with bi-partisan support.


Yea, I'm not big on giving money to either side.  I think we have to help our own first, before we give away to others.  But, this is completely approved yet, so the amount might be reduced, and you can usually see some type of caveat where the money has to be used (or a portion of it) in the U.S.

8  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Liberals are phonies. 20 examples on: July 21, 2014, 06:36:30 PM
They're both dangerous - and for the same reasons. Any group that believes that it has "divine truth" on its side and has received a dictum to spread that belief is dangerous. The problem isn't the particular god, or the particular tenets of the religion in question, although they certainly help. The problem is unjustifiable mystical beliefs and the notion that those beliefs ought to be shoved down every non-believer's throat.

With that said, it's clear that at this time, Muslim extremism is a much more pressing issue. But let's not stick our head in the sand and pretend that only Muslims want to impose a theocracy.


Neither here nor there to what I was quoting.  I don't doubt for a minute that the religious right would impose a Christian theocracy if given the chance.  Doesn't change that the typical liberal mentality that I see displayed is one where Christian's are dangerous, but Muslims are not.  It's utter nonsense.

9  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Israel and Gaza - discussion on: July 21, 2014, 06:32:58 PM
Sad - they find the missiles at the school, yet may have given them back to Hamas.  Come on. 



No. Sadly, the Palestinian people want peace. Most of them do. But Hamas does not, and uses them and doesnt care about them.  Very sad.  No one wants missles coming to them, either way.  But Hamas needed this, because the Arab world was slowly stopping to give them money, and worse - Egypt doesnt want anything to do with them, as well as many other Arab nations.

What is not noted here is that Israel and Egypt are working together.  At the same time Israel responded to Hamas' rejection of the cease fire, Egypt closed all borders and illegal tunnel activity on their end too. 







Nope.  Not only was Hamas elected by Palestinians it is impossible for them to function without their help.  Of course there are those that don't want a fight, as in any war.  But trying to portray Hamas as so different from the average Palestinian - the very ones who put them in power - just reeks of politically correct non-sense.

10  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Obama Speech NWO Bilderberg EU 2014 on: July 20, 2014, 05:56:43 PM
really? You have a link?


I'm not a big fan of politifact, but it's one of the first that popped up and I don't feel like searching.  This is a dead issue.

Here is the part in context:


"And those ideas eventually inspired a band of colonialists across an ocean, and they wrote them into the founding documents that still guide America today, including the simple truth that all men -- and women -- are created equal.

But those ideals have also been tested -- here in Europe and around the world.  Those ideals have often been threatened by an older, more traditional view of power. This alternative vision argues that ordinary men and women are too small-minded to govern their own affairs, that order and progress can only come when individuals surrender their rights to an all-powerful sovereign."


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/jun/23/chain-email/video-barack-obama-speech-circulating-internet-was/
11  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: How can you not help but love progressives? on: July 20, 2014, 05:36:31 PM
So now it's Obama's fault that there is a drought in California?  Roll Eyes

Water shortage in a desert? Who'd have ever thunk it? Roll Eyes


You didn't read anything.  Aren't you the same twat crying about coach not reading your multi-page non-sense.

Why yes...yes you were.

12  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Liberals are phonies. 20 examples on: July 20, 2014, 05:33:13 PM
15) Liberalism is pretending that Christians are dangerous while radical Islamists chanting "Death to America" and advocating Sharia law are harmless little lambs.


lol...yep.
13  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Why Free-market Economics Is a Fraud on: July 20, 2014, 05:29:24 PM
No way me nor almost anyone on here is going to read all that.


Nope...no fucking way any normal person would, lol.
14  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death on: July 20, 2014, 05:26:47 PM

The guy was dealing in untaxed cigarettes.

That affects the salaries of the cops, the prosecutors, the judges.

Doesn't surprise me they off'd him.  And I fully expect them to all cover for each other.

I think I'm getting just more and more cynical. 

It's unreal that we as a society accept that these charges are so horrible, so heinous, so terrible that the cops are allowed to murder somebody just to get them into custody.  Un-fucking-real.
15  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Israel warns it may further expand Gaza operation on: July 20, 2014, 05:20:07 PM


The Palestinian people are a conquered nation.  Let Israel finish them off and get the fuck over it.  It's happened time and again throughout history and it will happen time and again in the future.

16  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Obama Admn busted lying again - was warned of border crises - did nothing. on: July 20, 2014, 05:17:27 PM
It's only lying when Repubs do it.  When Dems do it, it's a nuance of politics, lol.
17  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Obama Speech NWO Bilderberg EU 2014 on: July 20, 2014, 05:15:58 PM
I agree, but that middle part was prettry clear cut and damning....

No, it's not.  I would encourage you to read his whole speech.  This non sense was already posted.
18  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Federal Judge Strikes Down California's Death Penalty on: July 20, 2014, 04:36:50 PM
The Innocence Project has really changed my mind about the death penalty.  Too much room for error, too many corrupt prosecutors.

I suppose if the guilt is without any doubt whatsoever (if such is possible) then maybe I'll be all gung-ho about the death penalty, but for now, it's just too convoluted.

19  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Obama Speech NWO Bilderberg EU 2014 on: July 20, 2014, 04:34:41 PM
Well, I think we are incrementally moving to a NWO, but this video is non-sense and they put together his words out of context to make it sound like he was saying something he wasn't.

20  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Police State - Official Thread on: July 15, 2014, 07:03:44 PM
Connecticut Man Arrested for Stabbing Watermelon in ‘Passive-Aggressive Manner’

http://www.boston.com/news/local/connecticut/2014/07/15/connecticut-man-arrested-for-stabbing-watermelon-passive-aggressive-manner/Z0pJMIDSLgK2YWyecYyRCO/story.html
21  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Marine to remain in Mexican prison on: July 15, 2014, 06:59:45 PM
?  I made the comment:  "We would never take away someone's liberty for this kind of mistake in the U.S."  You call that statement naive, but cannot provide an example of the U.S. locking someone up indefinitely because they made a mistake like this? 

Nobody sits in jail for three months over this kind of mistake in the U.S. 

And yes, the issue is that he missed his exit and wound up in Mexico with weapons.  He wasn't trying to transport weapons into Mexico.  He simply made a mistake.  If you've ever driven into a country with open borders you'd understand how easy it is to miss your "last U.S. exit," especially in that part of the country. 


Of course they do.

Here's an ex-cop spending 5 years in jail for accidentally violating NJ's requirements while moving.  I had thought we had this case on this very board too.

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/41/4110.asp

22  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Marine to remain in Mexican prison on: July 15, 2014, 06:51:17 PM
I'm not saying he didn't break the law.  I'm saying several things: 

1.  These kinds of laws were not targeting people like him. 

2.  There is a lack of proportionality. 

3.  Mexico law enforcement is corrupt. 

4.  We should be doing more on a diplomatic level to bring this kid home.

It is way too simplistic to say he broke the letter of the law so lock him up.  It's much more complicated than that.  Or at least it should be.


Yeah that's the problem though, you're making a huge assumption for #1 about 'people like him' that just doesn't fit the facts.  Driving around with loaded guns, in reach, and hidden under clothing doesn't make 'people like him' look all that good, lol.  In fact, it makes him look down right criminal.  Not to mention the lying.

23  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Why opportunities are so hard to come by for some people? on: July 14, 2014, 05:59:59 PM
Welcome back.  Still the same:  Soul Crusher posting every day, his stalkers repeatedly calling him gay every day, the president lying, debt continually increasing, etc., etc.   Smiley


haha...too true.
24  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Marine to remain in Mexican prison on: July 14, 2014, 05:07:02 PM
Dude had a rifle, shotgun, handgun, boxes of ammo...
plates showed up 3 times previously doing this.
Dude tried to escape from prison in Mexico lol...

It doesn't matter what we *believe* because the FACTS are clear here.
He smuggled 3 guns into a very anti-gun country, knowing the law full well.
He went THRU the border crossing, knowing that was highly illegal.

I find it VERY difficult to believe "but but but there were no U-turns before entering another nation" haha.


Yes he lied.  Also, his guns were loaded and within his reach - not legal in CA.

And the only evidence he didn't do this intentionally seems to be his (and his moms) claim.

But, even giving him the benefit of the doubt and buying he didn't do this on purposes, he still needs to serve time for his irresponsible stupidity.

25  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Marine to remain in Mexican prison on: July 14, 2014, 04:26:22 PM
Same analysis.  Laws regarding illegal possession of firearms were not designed to target people like him, nor was prison designed for people like him. 

An absolute waste of resources and something that is contrary to the freedom we enjoy as American citizens. 


Meh...he's right in line with the basic premise.  Too many people acting irresponsibly with guns is what leads to all these stupid gun laws to begin with.

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