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1  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ferguson 'victim' has rap sheet, robbed store same morning on: August 25, 2014, 06:28:34 PM
completely agreed with you.

That being said you didnt answer my question. Those who have said he was shot while his hands in the air also said that he was shot in the back one of which was his accomplice in the robbery that took place minutes before the the shooting.

Your stance right now is that its more likely that a cop with no record of abuse even though he has worked 4 years in a predominately black community without provacation attempted to pull an oversized male through a car window. As opposed to a person who had minutes before robbed a store of sweets to roll blunts with assaulting an officer who was stopping them.

I mean come on man, it really sounds like you have your mind made up.



I think my problem is I would give both stories equal weight at this point.  Cop could've gotten too aggressive, Brown could've gotten too aggressive.

2  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ferguson 'victim' has rap sheet, robbed store same morning on: August 25, 2014, 05:57:08 PM
whats more likely to you skip. The guy who just got done robbing a store assaults a cop with his friend right next to him or a cop with no record of abusing his authority tries to pull a oversized kid through his car window with his friend as a witness standing right there?

if you had to put your money on one of them where is your money going?




I think this is what we're stuck with Tony:

"Witnesses have given investigators conflicting accounts of what occurred. The biggest differences have arisen in describing what happened after Brown ran away from Wilson’s car, as the New York Times reported:


Some witnesses say that Mr. Brown, 18, moved toward Officer Wilson, possibly in a threatening manner, when the officer shot him dead. But others say that Mr. Brown was not moving and may even have had his hands up when he was killed….

Several witnesses have told investigators that Mr. Brown stopped and turned around with his arms up. According to his account to the Ferguson police, Officer Wilson said that Mr. Brown had lowered his arms and moved toward him, law enforcement officials said. Fearing that the teenager was going to attack him, the officer decided to use deadly force. Some witnesses have backed up that account. Others, however — including Mr. Johnson — have said that Mr. Brown did not move toward the officer before the final shots were fired."



http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/21/here-is-everything-police-and-witnesses-said-happened-when-michael-brown-was-killed/


And the truth is muddled somewhere in the middle, lol.
3  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 3 White House officials attend Michael Browns Funeral on: August 25, 2014, 05:34:59 PM
Whether you like it or not, this is a huge flash point in your nation's history, and their are a lot of politicos envious they could not attend.



No it's not.  But it is nice to see all the big media outlets finally talking about the militarization of the police.  And, it's good that Obama has ordered a review of the equipment the military is giving them (though I won't hold my breath about anything be done about it).

4  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ferguson 'victim' has rap sheet, robbed store same morning on: August 25, 2014, 05:32:21 PM
My mind isn't clearly made up.  Where are you getting that from?  I'm one of the few who is actually waiting for the evidence to come in.

I also think things usually are as they appear to be.  The scenario described by the alleged eyewitnesses doesn't make sense and isn't adding up.  The kid wasn't shot in the back.  I seriously doubt he was on his knees with his hands up saying I surrender when he was shot.  Yes it's possible the cop just executed the kid in broad daylight in front of everyone, but that doesn't make sense to me. 

I also seriously doubt a cop would try and pull a 6'3" 300 pound "kid" into his police car through the window.  Does that really make sense to you? 

I also think the fact this kid had just robbed a store and was probably high are important factors. 

And we don't know if the kid has a criminal record, because he was only 18.  Juvenile records are usually not made public. 

In any event, no I haven't made up my mind, but I am leaning based on the information that has been coming out. 



From your posts, of course, lol.

I don't really buy that this kid just stuck his body in the cop car and started punching the cop only to be seen by multiple witnesses as trying to push himself away from the car.  Maybe, but that doesn't come across as reasonable to me.  If the officer initiated and escalated the fight, then I've got a problem with that.

But, we'll see where the rabbit hole goes.
5  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Worthless pos Obama delayed Foley attempt rescue for 30 days on: August 25, 2014, 05:28:27 PM

Obama shouldn't have done shit for this guy.

Endanger more lives for what?  So he can go back into a war zone and report until his next capture?  Roll Eyes

He voluntarily went into a hell hole knowing full well how much these people hate us and what may happen.  Putting additional lives in danger is just another bad decision.
6  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ferguson 'victim' has rap sheet, robbed store same morning on: August 24, 2014, 04:11:20 PM
The video clearly shows its him.  His accomplice admits they stole the cigars.  Are you out of your mind?   Not having a criminal record doesnt mean the person isn't violent or hasnt previously comitted a crime, it only means they hadn't been caught.  Every criminal has a clean record at some point.

He stole the cigars, the cop approached him shortly afterwards.  His adrenaline and anxiety levels were up and he reacted. He didnt want to get caught.


No, I was not aware that an admission has been made - so be it.

It is not common for someone to be violent and make it to 18 without getting caught.  That's not to say it doesn't happen, just I'm not ready to jump the gun.

Hell, I don't even mind if the cop shoots someone in the back - depending on circumstances - as I'm not big on this bullshit of trying to break down every micro-second of what occurred.  I'm just seeing one assumption after another, with very little facts being released.

7  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Should police be required to have uniform cameras? on: August 24, 2014, 03:57:14 PM
If any of us were to run a kid over, they'd have our phone in 2 minutes, and in a day, the newspapers would have the story that at 6:02 AM, we were texting our mistress lol.

If any of us were to run a kid over, and there was video footage, it'd be all over the place, with them calling us horrible and careless.

This time, it's just quiet and "oh, we'll let you know".   

He was in a heavy Crown vic police cruiser.  He left some LONG skid marks.  He was fcking flying.  This isn't up for debate.  When you're going 44 mph, you can stop.  When you're going 64, it becomes a lot harder.   This cop locked up brakes and still shot the kid thru a yard.  He was flying.  Comments all over local media, people are really upset on this one.



Absolutely, in the other thread we've pointed out countless times that when being investigated for a crime, cops should be treated the same as everyone else.  They should not receive special treatment.

If anything, they need to be held to a higher standard.

8  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ferguson 'victim' has rap sheet, robbed store same morning on: August 24, 2014, 03:54:39 PM
Self-defense against what?   Brown just robbed a liquor and a cop approached him, raising his anxiety level.


Against a cop grabbing him by the neck and trying to jerk him into the car.  And the robbery hasn't been substantiated yet, so maybe, maybe not, IDK.

I'll pose the same question to you.  Why would somebody who had no criminal record suddenly decide one day to rob a store and beat up a cop?

9  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Should police be required to have uniform cameras? on: August 24, 2014, 02:00:20 PM
yes.  very sad.  locally, people are pissed about the cop... still on active duty, no news on investigation, his cell minutes, or dash cam, which they all have up there. 

cops speed her constantly, suburb/rural roads, they're always doing 60 in a 45.



Fuck yea, they are horrible in Washington/Baltimore/Northern VA.  I don't think I've ever seen them below 70 on I-495 except when it's bumper to bumper of course.  But, they don't even bother people until the speeder is well over 80.  And they constantly have people pulled over - no shortage of civilian speeders to be sure.

10  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Should police be required to have uniform cameras? on: August 24, 2014, 01:55:46 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/14/nypd-body-camera_n_3756828.html

NYPD is about to start using them.  Bloomberg is pissed, said it's an invasion of privacy.  This mayor, who is okay with limiting soda size, in a town with tens of thousands of cameras everywhere, is worried about privacy?  lol

No, Bloomy knows we're gonna see a rash of abuse of civilians rights, some high profile firings, then things will be cleaned up.  He doesn't wanna be the face/mayor of the corruption and abuses we'll see with cameras.


It will be appealed and probably not go anywhere.  The police state is strong in NY.

11  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Should police be required to have uniform cameras? on: August 24, 2014, 01:52:08 PM
cool info, thanks.   there has been a media blackout on it, but word has slowly leaked.  police weren't saying anything.  Local media were climbing thru canals to get around police roadblocks.


Cop told resident everything was fine, while the kid was either under his car or launched.  I guess that's his job.  Either way, very scary.


CAPE CORAL: -
Authorities are investigating an early morning crash on Kismet Parkway in Cape Coral that involved a Lee County Sheriff's Office deputy and a bicyclist. 

A 15-year-old was transported to a Tampa hospital.

The investigation blocked traffic for hours between NW 6th Place and NW 7th Place, but all roadways have reopened.
 
When our crews arrived on scene, the BMX-style bicycle was lodged under the patrol car. A forensics team also removed a backpack from the scene.
 
Witnesses tell us an ambulance drove someone away at around 6 a.m. We learned that person suffered serious injuries during the crash.
 
"All she heard was a loud screech and bang, she ran outside to see what happened and she asked the cop if he was OK cause she thought something happened to him. He said he was fine, 10 minutes later a swarm of cops came, shut down the whole street," explained Nicholes Quinones, who rushed outside after hearing the crash.
 
The names of the people involved have not been released. The investigation is ongoing.




Appears the boy has passed away.

Sad

12  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Should police be required to have uniform cameras? on: August 24, 2014, 01:44:44 PM
WHEN DEPARTMENT ISSUED BWDR SYSTEM DEACTIVATION IS AUTHORIZED
Once the BWDR system is activated it shall remain on until the incident has concluded.
(a) For purposes of this section, conclusion of an incident has occurred when:
(a) All arrests have been made and arrestees have been transported; and
(b) All witnesses and victims have been interviewed.
(b) Recording may cease if no further law enforcement action is likely to occur (e.g.,
waiting for a tow truck or a family member to arrive.)
303.2.3 WHEN DEPARTMENT ISSUED BWDR SYSTEM USE IS NOT REQUIRED
Activation of the BWDR system is not required:
(a) During break and lunch periods
(b) When not in service and not on a call
(c) When in service but not on a call.



Cops rarely make death notifications these days. Our department does it via Victim Services civillian and chaplain if done by us at all. So that wouldn't be an issue.   


I've seen then show up at my friends sister's death, even though only EMS was called, and the neighbor across the street when they called for her insulin attack, again only EMS.

You can split hairs on my examples however you want, regardless of whether they are notifying, supporting, bored, or whatever - my point remains.  There are circumstances where it is probably inappropriate for you all to be recording. 

As long as the circumstances are addressed, video is a great idea.

I heard on the news on Friday some city/department that was showing a huge drop in claims against the cops.  I'll post if I come across it.

13  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ferguson 'victim' has rap sheet, robbed store same morning on: August 24, 2014, 01:36:01 PM
I never stole it from anyone. My source told me. If they heard it from the same people that radio station heard it from I don't know, ...but this is the first I'm hearing of that radio station. I'm in Canada remember. The CRTC goes to great lengths to limit the amount of "cultural pollution" (their term, not mine) that makes it across the airwaves from the USA.



Yeah, you're post and the facebook post just 'happened' to match up, nearly verbatim, lol.  Roll Eyes

14  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ferguson 'victim' has rap sheet, robbed store same morning on: August 24, 2014, 01:25:05 PM
Meh.  If his face was swollen it doesn't really matter to me if he had a broken bone.  The swelling is pretty solid evidence that he was attacked. 


No, it's just as easily evidence of self-defense, unless your mind is already made up - as yours seems to clearly be.

From everything I've read, they haven't substantiated that he was the thug robbing the store.  He had no criminal record.  Why would somebody with no criminal record, just start punching a cop?

I suppose it's possible, and may pan out that way when we know all the facts, but it seems unlikely.

15  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ferguson 'victim' has rap sheet, robbed store same morning on: August 22, 2014, 11:54:31 AM
Seems like one side or the other is lying about the broken eye socket story.   I can understand why the pro-Mike Brown side would lie but am not sure why the cops would lie. 
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n95mxT1AkpI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n95mxT1AkpI</a>



Were the cops claiming the eye socket was fractured?  I thought it was somebody who knew him as a friend or something to that effect.

16  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: FEDS: Obama broke the law w Bergdahl swap on: August 22, 2014, 11:50:03 AM
What's wrong with you guys?

Can't you see Fox News is appropriately blaming a building for being at fault?

Why would any of you even mention the leadership?

You must be crazy Obama haters, lol...nothing else makes sense.




17  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Should police be required to have uniform cameras? on: August 22, 2014, 11:47:03 AM
The footage would just mysteriously get 'lost' or 'damaged'



There WILL be attempted abuse and abuse, but it would still help to improve things, IMO.

But there are situations not appropriate for recording that will have to be dealt with.

18  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Iceland grieves after police kill a man for the first time in its history on: August 21, 2014, 07:39:21 PM
My grandfather spent some time there when he was in the Navy. He said the women were the most beautiful hes ever seen, on amu continent,  and that the scenery was incredible. .. the hot springs he also said were amazing


Nice.  Also looks like there would be some great scuba diving there as well.

19  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: FEDS: Obama broke the law w Bergdahl swap on: August 21, 2014, 07:36:39 PM
it's not logic dipshit

it's merely a statement of fact



Yep, it doesn't say Obama and says DoD.

We've established that.

Like I said, great logic dumbfuck.

Keep it up, you must make liberals so proud, lol.



20  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: FEDS: Obama broke the law w Bergdahl swap on: August 21, 2014, 06:48:45 PM
does the report say Obama broke the law

yes or no ?



Yep, it doesn't say Obama and says DoD.

We've established that.

Like I said, great logic dumbfuck.

Keep it up, you must make liberals so proud, lol.

21  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: FEDS: Obama broke the law w Bergdahl swap on: August 21, 2014, 06:33:33 PM
Beat me to it. Apparently all government agencies just run amok under Obama, and he has know idea what those fuckers are doing.



Nope, remember the rules.  When they get it right, it's all Obama.

Only when shit goes wrong is it large bureaucracy.

22  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: FEDS: Obama broke the law w Bergdahl swap on: August 21, 2014, 06:32:25 PM
Worship your master libs.

23  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: FEDS: Obama broke the law w Bergdahl swap on: August 21, 2014, 06:28:38 PM
I never Obama was not also culpable but the report says DOD. That is the fact of the matter.
It certainly appears that the administration had to sign off on it and their attorney's likely told them it was legal.  But fuck, let's just ignore all of that and let's just pretend that the entire thing was Obama's idea, he personally negotiated it, etc..

That's how we do it here in the GB.com right wing echo chamber





Yeah, the report does say DoD!

OMG...the entire DoD must be at fault.  Fucking engineers that built the equipment the special forces used, computer programmers, goddamn janitors.

Yep, we should list every fucking person in DoD

Let's not focus on leadership.

Good job dumbfuck, more of your stellar liberal reasoning.  Roll Eyes

24  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: FEDS: Obama broke the law w Bergdahl swap on: August 21, 2014, 05:58:55 PM
Also, in b4 240 starts crying nonsense about impeachment.

25  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Police State - Official Thread on: August 21, 2014, 05:56:40 PM
Ah well, if we're going to speculate, maybe we should consider other alternatives.

I'm thinking the cop is typically overly aggressive by nature.  He's not accustomed to people ignoring him or not bowing to his every command.  He's probably accustomed to immediate compliance and his temper rages whenever he perceives somebody is not obedient.

He's probably undergone extensive training at taxpayer expense and the union will probably claim that's still not enough training.  He was probably never specifically taught that he shouldn't say 'go fuck yourself', so how could he possibly see anything wrong with that.

But nah, let's always try and put that rosey spin on it.  Roll Eyes

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