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51  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Tea Part Tony on: February 24, 2014, 04:43:48 PM

Damn Tony, you own this gimmicks mind, body, and soul, lol.

I've only seen this type of infatuation from Al, so....
52  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Cops hit parked car, then arrest & charge passenger to cover it up on: February 24, 2014, 04:41:23 PM

The 350 lb guy was not in the passenger seat.

Where are you making that up from?  From the video, you can't see inside the car.  And the DA dropped all charges indicating they have no case.

And, you can see the guy closes the door when he gets out.  But the cop claimed it was open in his report.

By the way, nice back-tracking by your Chief on the jaywalking shit, lol.  It was actually pretty funny.

53  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Police State - Official Thread on: February 23, 2014, 06:12:56 PM
Newark police to be monitored by federal watchdog, sources say

NEWARK — The Justice Department will place the Newark Police Department under a monitor later this year, the first time in state history that a municipal police agency will operate under a federal watchdog, according to four sources familiar with the situation.

The decision follows a federal review of the way the state’s largest police force swept aside accusations of misconduct against hundreds of officers and its almost-total failure to address complaints of brutality and abuse lodged by Newark residents over the years.
 The investigation began in 2011, a year after the American Civil Liberties Union filed a scathing 96-page petition with the Department of Justice, accusing Newark’s police of rampant misconduct.

The ACLU investigation found citizens filed 261 complaints with the department accusing officers of using excessive force, biased actions, improper searches or false arrests in 2008 and 2009. Only one complaint was sustained by the department.

One officer faced 62 internal affairs investigations during a 14-year career, according to the petition, while Newark shelled out nearly $5 million in response to civil lawsuits from 2007 to 2009.

Federal monitors are appointed by the Justice Department and are usually someone with legal and/or law enforcement experience but with no ties to the agency being scrutinized.

The monitor’s term could run as a long as five years, said the sources who declined to be identified because they were not authorized to speak about the situation publicly. No one has been selected for the position, but an announcement could be made later this month, according to three of the sources.

The exact terms of the agreement between the city and the federal government will be ironed out in a “consent decree,” a legally binding document in which the city will promise to adhere to and maintain whatever reforms the Justice Department orders.
 A City Hall spokeswoman said the appointment of a monitor “is likely,” but added that the agreement has not been finalized.

“The City of Newark has been working cooperatively with the Department of Justice in connection with its review of NPD procedures,” said Esmeralda Diaz Cameron, Newark’s chief spokeswoman. “The City and the Department of Justice are working to ensure that best practices are followed within the Newark Police Department.”

When the 2011 investigation was launched, U.S. Attorney Paul Fishman said the ACLU complaint was not the impetus for the probe.

The ACLU cited a culture of brutality fostered in Newark’s ranks over decades. A subsequent Star-Ledger examination found significant flaws in Newark’s internal affairs procedures under the watch of Police Director Garry McCarthy, who held the position from 2006 to 2011.

From 2006 to 2009, the department received more than 500 complaints accusing officers of excessive force, illegal searches, false arrests or differential treatment, according to records obtained by The Star-Ledger. Disciplinary charges were brought in just six of those cases, according to the records.

A 2010 Star-Ledger analysis of internal affairs records also showed the department failed to report the outcome of one out of every 10 complaints against its officers to the state Attorney General’s Office from 2000 to 2008. All told, the results of 1,315 investigations were not reported properly.

McCarthy, who now runs the Chicago Police Department, could not be reached for comment. Outgoing Police Director Samuel DeMaio and Mayor Luis Quintana did not respond to requests for comment.

While he had no direct knowledge concerning the monitor, the ACLU’s executive director, Udi Ofer, said the department has needed outside intervention for decades.

“This is needed in order to protect Newarkers against future civil rights and civil liberties abuses,” Ofer said. “The Department of Justice findings affirm the findings of our petition, which we filed more than three years ago. It affirms that the problems in the Newark Police Department had been so widespread and grave that they warrant outside federal intervention.”

A last resort

While records show the federal government has launched more than 50 similar investigations into U.S. police departments since 1994, at least 10 have resulted in the appointment of a monitor, which is considered the most extreme result.

The most recent to receive a federal monitor was the New Orleans Police Department, in March 2013. That department’s agreement with the Justice Department called for major revisions to the city’s use-of-force policy and increased training. It also forced the department to publish statistics on arrests and police misconduct.

While it’s unclear what changes will be made in Newark, the department contends it has already made several reforms that have been met with praise from civil liberties advocates.

In August 2013, the Newark Police Department became one of the first in the nation to publish monthly data regarding the result of stop-and-frisk-style inquiries and internal affairs investigations.

DeMaio has also instituted policies that protect the rights of citizens who film police officers while they are on duty and has ordered his officers to refuse federal requests to detain people who are suspected of minor crimes and are in the country illegally.
 The 2010 ACLU petition and 2011 federal probe drew mixed reactions from then-Mayor Cory Booker’s administration.

Questioned about the sheer number of complaints dismissed by his internal affairs unit, McCarthy shrugged at the data.

“So the cop always has to be wrong?” McCarthy told The Star-Ledger in 2010. “Drug dealers make allegations against police officers every day to stop them from doing their job.”

Booker, who left the city office to become a U.S. senator last year, also dismissed the ACLU allegations when they were first lobbed. He softened his tone when the Justice Department launched its 2011 investigation, referring to the probe as “free consulting.”

But even then, Booker said he remained opposed to the idea of a federal monitor.
 When asked about the pending decision, Booker’s office said while he was mayor the police department began to institute reforms.

“The then-mayor and Newark’s police director partnered with Justice in its inquiry of long-standing complaints against the department and didn’t wait to take action,” said Booker spokesman Kevin Griffis. “They revamped Internal Affairs processes, worked with the ACLU to better inform residents of their rights and improved transparency by installing cameras in police vehicles, among other changes.”

Uncertain future

When the agreement is finalized, Newark police will become the third New Jersey agency to require a federal monitor in the past 15 years.

The New Jersey State Police spent 10 years under a federal watchdog starting in 1999 after a racial-profiling scandal, and the state Department of Children and Families has been under federal supervision for 7½ years after a lawsuit accused the agency of mismanaging its foster care system.

Former Newark Police Director Joseph Santiago, who led the State Police through part of the monitoring process and now serves as Irvington’s police director, said his experience under federal oversight was positive. “As the administrator, you can use that to leverage a lot of improvements within the department, things that need to be done,” he said.

“The only practices it should change or affect are the practices that you need to get rid of anyway.”

Newark’s leadership situation, however, remains murky. With Friday's revelation that DeMaio is retiring and a mayoral election in full swing, there is no way to tell who will be running the department once a monitor arrives.

Santiago said that could be troubling to federal investigators and urged whoever wins Newark’s mayoral race to choose a director as open to reform as DeMaio was.

“There might be a concern at the federal level that subsequent leadership might not be as committed as he is,” Santiago said. “You want to re-establish public confidence in the department.”
54  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Cops hit parked car, then arrest & charge passenger to cover it up on: February 23, 2014, 05:52:11 PM
This is why cops hate being video taped.

It will be determined that they violated 'policy' because their training was substandard.  They'll get a slap on the wrist and a pay raise.

55  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Dallas Paper Wants To Know What Abbott Thinks Of Nugent's 'Paean To Sex With Und on: February 23, 2014, 05:50:46 PM
a lot of gimmicks on the board lately

Sure as hell are.  Amazingly, RRKore, FredHayekowski, and avxo all seem to have the same prose.

I miss all of Blacken's gimmicks, lol.
56  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Canada Sucks on: February 20, 2014, 06:32:29 PM
I agree someone could get hurt and it's irresponsible to forget about a loaded weapon in your vehicle.  I don't know this guy, but I doubt he has problems with maturity, etc. because of his rank and service.  Even smart, mature, responsible people make dumb mistakes. 

Overall, I just have a problem with locking the guy up for four days and trying to give him an extended prison sentence over this. 

In terms of punishment, I'm on the fence.

We put people in jail way way too much and it doesn't do shit, often making them worse, IMO.

But, we have to respect Canadian law, so...
57  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Obama set to send FCC to spy on media newsrooms - WSJ on: February 20, 2014, 04:42:44 PM
"Voluntary" lol...
58  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Holder: Restore felons' voting rights on: February 20, 2014, 04:33:35 PM
That's not always true... If you have some blow on you, you're a felon.

Steroids... Felon.

I mean, I agree if it's a violent crime... No fucking way.

But when the crimes are of a non-violent nature, I'm inclined to think that once they have done the time, they should be all forgiven.

Yeah, this is my opinion as well.  For the ones that have a felony conviction for 3 shoplifting offenses, I wouldn't take their right to vote.  The murderers, robbers, rapists, etc...tough shit - no vote.

59  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Police State - Official Thread on: February 20, 2014, 04:19:00 PM

Liberals typicall love the police state since they view it as the means to enforce their world view on all sorts of garbage against the rest of us

Good point, probably a good deal of truth to that.

60  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Canada Sucks on: February 20, 2014, 04:17:51 PM

Fuck off
61  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 8 L.A. officers won’t be punished for firing 103 times on two unarmed women on: February 20, 2014, 04:17:21 PM
Every PD in SoCal was shitting themselves when Dohner was on the loose. 

Yep...a little bit of fear made the cops shit all over themselves.  I can remember when we had the snipers over here (Malvo and the other guy) and no civilians acted like this.

Of course, the victims are minorities, so it seems acceptable in CA to allow cops to act like this.

Absolutely disgusting.

62  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Canada Sucks on: February 20, 2014, 04:12:43 PM
This guy is a retired Sergeant Major.  You don't typically get to that rank by being an idiot or being dishonest.  So yes, I'm choosing to take him at his word that it was a "dumb" mistake. 

This isn't the kind of mistake that results in people dying.  You don't give people a pass when they make dumb mistakes that put peoples lives in danger, like making a loaded weapon accessible to kids.  But something like this?  It's a pretty stupid waste of time and resources.  Turn the guy around at the border.  Take his gun if they believe it's that important.  Don't lock the guy up for four days.     

It's exactly the type of mistake that results in somebody getting hurt, it just didn't happen in this case.  Not knowing where your gun is causes problems.  And if he's that much of a 'professional', this never would have happened to begin with.

I've been hunting plenty along the MD and PA border and never once crossed.

Again, he needs to grow the fuck up and be an adult.
63  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Canada Sucks on: February 17, 2014, 07:05:07 PM
No, someone making an innocent or dumb mistake is not even close to someone who knowingly violates the law.   Roll Eyes 

Proving why Canada is America's mentally retarded little brother.*

*Credit to El Profeta.   Smiley

No, this is really just you choosing to believe it was a 'dumb' mistake and as far as I'm concerned you don't get 'dumb' mistakes when dealing with guns.  Dumb mistakes lead to unnecessary deaths.

Want to own a gun, be a fucking adult.  Know where it is, know if it's loaded, know where you are.

64  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Police State - Official Thread on: February 17, 2014, 06:57:01 PM
I,d have to hear both sides of the story,sounds fishy to me

He's a minority, so you libtards pretty much approve of the cops beating him to death while he's unarmed.

You'll lap up the standard excuses (he curled up instead of straightening when they bludgeoned him Roll Eyes , or his arms were stiff, insert stupid excuse here) for beating an unarmed dude to death and they'll be found guilty of violating "policy" and you and the murderers will all be happy little pups.
65  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Conspiracy Theories Board / Re: Another stupid democrat...Climate change is as big as threat as on: February 17, 2014, 06:51:04 PM

Same Evergreen Air that went out of business last year?

Guess those black-op spooks under Obama's leadership have become deadbeats.

66  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Cowardly Cops on: February 16, 2014, 05:32:40 PM
Wow!  They violated policy.

Nice fucking white wash.

It's unbelievable that they are not in PRISON where they all fucking belong.

No, actually it is's just DISGUSTING.

Of course, cops trying to kill poor and/or minorities in California seems to be acceptable.


Police Commission: Cops violated policy in Dorner mistaken-ID shooting

The Los Angeles Police Commission on Tuesday unanimously accepted Chief Charlie Beck's finding that eight officers who opened fire on two women in a pickup truck during a search for Christopher Dorner violated the department’s policy on using deadly force.

The Police Commission, which oversees the LAPD, has the final word on police shootings. Beck will now determine how to discipline the officers, if at all.

In a statement, Police Commission President Steve Soboroff called the shooting "tragic." He declined to discuss the commission's closed-door deliberations, citing state law.

"As in all Use of Force incidents, the Department has completed a thorough review and will adopt the lessons learned, both good and bad," he said.

The finding comes a year after the massive manhunt for Dorner, the ex-LAPD officer who sought vengeance against law enforcement officials he blamed for his firing. Dorner ultimately killed four people and wounded three others before he died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound during a shootout with police near Big Bear.

The Torrance shooting occurred in the predawn hours of Feb. 7, 2013, as the search for Dorner was underway. Officers from the LAPD's Hollywood Division were dispatched to a quiet residential neighborhood with orders to guard the home of an LAPD captain who had been involved in the decision to fire Dorner for dishonesty and other misconduct.

At some point, the officers received a report that a pickup truck resembling Dorner’s was seen in the area of the house they were guarding. Shortly after 5 a.m., a truck turned onto the street.

The truck -- which had a license plate beginning in "8D," like Dorner's -- drove slowly down the street, then accelerated and crossed the center line, Soboroff said in his statement.

"Ultimately, the officers believed by the erratic manner the vehicle was driving that it was occupied by Dorner," Soboroff said. "These observations led the officers to discharge their weapons at the vehicle to stop the threat."

As the vehicle approached the house, officers opened fire, unloading a barrage of bullets into the truck. When the shooting stopped, they realized their mistake. The truck was a different make and model -- a Toyota Tacoma, not a Nissan Titan, Soboroff said. The color wasn't gray, as Dorner’s was, but blue. And it wasn't Dorner inside the truck, but a woman and her mother delivering copies of the Los Angeles Times.

Investigators found that the officers fired more than 100 times.

In an interview shortly after the shooting, Beck said Margie Carranza, 47, and her mother, Emma Hernandez, 71, were the victims of “a tragic misinterpretation” by officers working under “incredible tension,” he said.

Just hours before, Dorner had shot three police officers, one fatally. And in an online posting authorities attributed to him, he threatened to kill more police and seemed to take responsibility for the slaying of the daughter of a retired LAPD captain and her fiance.

Hernandez was shot twice in the back; her daughter sustained superficial wounds. The women later agreed to a $4.2-million settlement with the city.

A panel of high-ranking police officials that reviewed the shooting urged Beck to clear the officers of wrongdoing, said multiple sources with knowledge of the case, who spoke on the condition that their names not be used because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the case.

Beck, however, ultimately found the officers’ actions could not be justified, the sources said.

Since the shooting, the officers, whom the department has not identified over concerns for their safety, have been assigned to desk jobs to keep them out of the field, police officials said.

The Police Commission also found Tuesday that the two officers involved in an "intense gun battle" with Dorner in Riverside County acted within department policy. That shooting occurred shortly before 1:30 a.m. Feb. 7, as the officers were en route to a protective detail, Soboroff said.

A resident told the officers he thought he had seen Dorner leaving a gas station, Soboroff said. The officers spotted Dorner's truck and were following it when the vehicle pulled to the side of the road.

The driver's door opened and Dorner began firing an assault rifle at the officers, Soboroff said. One of the officers was grazed in the head; the other was "sprayed with shattered glass."

Dorner fled and soon after ambushed two Riverside police officers, seriously injuring one and killing the other.,0,3169999.story#ixzz2tXCRnnrD
67  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 95ers block Trader Joes since it would attract too many White People on: February 10, 2014, 06:48:10 PM
Great.  Which one.

Probably the one in VA in August as that's closest to us...but may NC as it's just a little longer.  She has a foot issue right now, but I think all will be cool by August.

68  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Police State - Official Thread on: February 10, 2014, 06:28:43 PM

What a white wash.  The cop was cleared and back on the streets in a week.  Oh brother.  Roll Eyes

69  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: RNC Chairman Is All For Rehashing The Monica Lewinsky Scandal: 'Everything's On on: February 10, 2014, 06:27:32 PM
I always just thought it was "politics".

Everyone knows that these Politicians are out banging whomever... You just stick it out.

Personally, I asked some women about this and the older crowd was more "stand by your man" than the younger.

Won't end well for the RNC.... Either she looks like she's sympathetic by being a good wife OR she's showing how strong she is to save her marriage.

Isn't the Republican party the ones who say brought up the "Defense of Marriage"?

This bitch defended her marriage... How the hell you gonna beat that from your OWN group?

Well, having dealt somewhat frequently with politicians I would disagree that they are out banging whomever.  I don't know the hard data on rates of adultery, but it's not like they're all going out and picking up whores either.

DOMA, as far as I know, has nothing to do with adultery and is really about suppressing gays...although I'm given to understand that the Sponsor(s) of DOMA had an affair.

I would agree it's not a good tactic...she just seems weak.  Although if the latest news stories are to be believed, she's a ruthless tyrant as a manager.  lol...never any middle ground.

70  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 95ers block Trader Joes since it would attract too many White People on: February 10, 2014, 06:17:27 PM
Training for the GoRuck trifecta all in a month.   Been training like a bat out pf hell.

The wife and I are going to run the Spartan race this year.  It looks like a lot of fun.

71  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: RNC Chairman Is All For Rehashing The Monica Lewinsky Scandal: 'Everything's On on: February 10, 2014, 06:15:38 PM

Sympathetic as in, the loyal wife with the unfaithful husband who decides to stick with her husband.   She's an innocent party in bills cheating.  Again,  I can't stand the woman but I can see them spinning the story to elicit sympathy .

I don't know.  I always saw her as the pathetic weak wife, incapable of leaving Bill.

I don't think the Repubs will benefit much from the attack.  It's really not a huge issue, it's well known, done and over with.

72  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: RNC Chairman Is All For Rehashing The Monica Lewinsky Scandal: 'Everything's On on: February 10, 2014, 06:00:18 PM
I don't care for Hilary but what does bill getting a blow job from a fat chick have to do with her? If anything it makes her seem sympathetic.   

Sympathetic or Weak?

She sounds more weak to me.

73  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: RNC Chairman Is All For Rehashing The Monica Lewinsky Scandal: 'Everything's On on: February 10, 2014, 05:32:00 PM
didn't know bill was running again  Cheesy

She wasn't strong enough to dump his ass when he was getting his cock sucked, what makes you think she's strong enough to run the country?

74  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Iran dispatches warships to US maritime border on: February 10, 2014, 05:23:37 PM
I guess our Navy could pretend Iran has a   Nope.
75  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Canada Sucks on: February 10, 2014, 05:17:34 PM
Canada sucks, but I have to side with them here.

This guy needs to grow the fuck up.  Want to own a gun, behave like a fucking adult and don't try to take it through the border of another country.
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