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5226  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / President provides glimpse of Afghanistan strategy on: November 28, 2009, 08:59:17 AM
by Jim Garamone 
American Forces Press Service 
 


President Obama said Afghan troops will play a large role in his soon-to-be announced strategy for Afghanistan...WASHINGTON (Nov. 24, 2009) – President Barack Obama said he will announce his decision on the strategy and troop request for Afghanistan “shortly after Thanksgiving.”

During a news conference with Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, Obama said the strategy review he and his national security team performed was extremely useful, and he provided a glimpse at the conclusions.

“I can tell you … that it is in our strategic interest, in our national security interest, to make sure that al-Qaida and its extremist allies cannot operate effectively in those areas,” Obama said. “We are going to dismantle and degrade their capabilities and ultimately dismantle and destroy their networks. And Afghanistan’s stability is important to that process.”

The president said that since the United States went into Afghanistan, the war there lacked the resources or strategy to deal effectively with the Taliban and their al-Qaida allies. “It is my intention to finish the job,” he said. “And I feel very confident that when the American people hear a clear rationale for what we're doing there and how we intend to achieve our goals, they will be supportive.”

Obama stressed that Afghan security is important globally. “The whole world, I think, has a core security interest in making sure that the kind of extremism and violence that you’ve seen emanating from this region is tackled, confronted in a serious way,” the president said.

Singh agreed with that assessment.

“It is important for the international community to sustain its engagement in Afghanistan, to help its emergence as a modern state,” the Indian prime minister said. “The forces of terrorism in our region pose a grave threat to the entire civilized world and have to be defeated. President Obama and I have decided to strengthen our cooperation in the area of counterterrorism.”

Confronting extremism must be a multinational effort, Obama said, noting that his announcement of the strategy will include the obligations of international partners.

The strategy, he added, will recognize that the Afghan people ultimately are going to have to provide for their own security.

“So we’ll be discussing that process whereby Afghan security forces are properly trained and equipped to do the job,” he said. “And it’s going to be important to recognize that in order for us to succeed there, you’ve got to have a comprehensive strategy that includes civilian and diplomatic efforts.”
5227  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Potential Sale of French Warship to Russia Raises Concerns for Neighboring Count on: November 28, 2009, 08:53:00 AM
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France is negotiating to sell a high-tech warship to Russia, which would mark the first time that a NATO nation — and a founding member at that — sold arms to the country since the fall of the Soviet Union, which the treaty organization was created to oppose.

The Russians are anxiously looking to buy one of France’s Mistral class helicopter carriers, a rapid-deployment attack ship that some fear could be used against countries like Georgia and Ukraine.


"I confirm that we are currently examining an official request from the Russian government for the purchase of a ship of this class," French Prime Minister Francois Fillon said Friday at news conference following a meeting with Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin.

The possible deal has Georgian officials concerned, as the 21,300-ton amphibious assault ship can also carry personnel, armored cars and tanks thousands of miles and would help modernize Russian naval equipment exposed as outdated in its war with Georgia last year, Reuters reported.

"We strongly oppose the sale of such ship to Russia," Nika Laliashvili of the Georgian parliament's defense affairs committee told The Associated Press. "It poses a serious danger to Georgia."

Since the war, Russia has declared the Georgian territory of Abkhazia an independent nation and sent thousands of troops there. Abkhazia has a coastline along the Black Sea that is next to Russia's coast.

Asked if Russia would used the ship against Georgia, Putin said only that it would use warships where needed, Reuters reported.

Two senior U.S. officials told Fox News the potential sale is not very alarming.

"We would expect France keep its NATO allies in close consultation concerning any potential sale," but overall "this ship wouldn't give the Russians more of an advantage", one official said.

Other NATO members expressed more concern at France's openness to selling Russia weaponry that could be used against NATO forces or allies.

"If we look at the level of different tensions, for example, on the Black Sea, I don't think that theoretically, at least, it is good idea to add some military equipment or military technologies for the Black Sea," Estonian foreign minister Urmas Paet said at a news conference.

"We have sent a request to the French foreign ministry to clarify the situation — what's the purpose? What's the ammunition?" Lithuanian foreign minister Vygaudas Usackas said.

Russian shipbuilders have also opposed the Mistral deal, saying the government should invest in domestic production instead.

Russia has only one Soviet-built aircraft carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov, which is much smaller than the U.S. aircraft carriers and has been plagued by mechanical problems and accidents.

The country's once-mighty navy faces further dramatic decline after 2015, when most Soviet-built ships will have to be mothballed, a retired admiral was quoted as saying Friday.

The Navy chief, Adm. Vladimir Vysotsky, has said a ship like Mistral would have allowed the Russian navy to mount a much more efficient operation in the Black Sea during the Russia-Georgia war. He said the French ship would take just 40 minutes to do the job that the Russian Black Sea Fleet vessels did in 26 hours, apparently referring to amphibious landing operations.

But Navy officials have also argued that producing Mistral-class ships in Russia, rather than buying them from other countries, would help modernize Russia's aging industries.

Despite concerns over the negotiations, Fillon said "France is open to cooperation with Russia, including in defense," adding that it makes no sense to discuss including Russia in a joint European economy then fall back on "outdated reflexes," Reuters reported.

The Mistral, estimated to cost roughly $450 million to $500 million, could become Russia's biggest international arms purchase.

Putin said Russia had not made a final decision on the deal.

*The Associated Press, Reuters and Fox News' Justin Fishel and Steve Centanni contributed to this report.
5228  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: House Democrats lining up against Obama on escalation of Afghan War. on: November 27, 2009, 08:32:54 PM
I think I read that is costs a million dollars a year per soldier over there when all is said and done.  We just cant afford this anymore.  And yes, I did originally support the war, but if we won WW2 in 4 years, there is simpoly no exzcuse for this nonsense anymore. 


WWII and Afghanistan - it's apples and oranges.  But, value is a factor and we certainly don't seem to be accomplishing our current objectives given what we've invested.
5229  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Do we need to occupy an entire country for 100 bad guys? on: November 27, 2009, 08:29:51 PM
I hate to sound all CT, but my dad was positing this theory to me as well last week.  I wouldnt doubt anything at this point.  If predator drones can kill people in cars and at weddings, surely they could kill the poppy fields if they wanted to. 


IDK, but perhaps were not burning these fields is because it may upset the local populace.  Perhaps somebody more knowledgable like garebear could give some insight.
5230  Getbig Main Boards / General Topics / Re: When all these women with breast implants... on: November 27, 2009, 08:26:09 PM
Glad you asked...


Ooops...just puked.

5231  Getbig Main Boards / General Topics / Re: When all these women with breast implants... on: November 27, 2009, 05:00:41 PM
1.  A thread like this should never be started without the "before" and "after" pics (old age pics not necessary).  Those pics should be studied thoroughly so that we can make an informed guess as to what they will look like in the future.

2.  Political connection?  Meh, who cares...PICS?
5232  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: House Democrats lining up against Obama on escalation of Afghan War. on: November 27, 2009, 04:52:15 PM
The people in that country want to live in the stone age and we should just get out and let them do it


We did that before with disastrous consequences.  I won't pretend I know the solution, but somehow we have to keep the pressure on AQ.  In the begining, we tried with special forces, but it wasn't effective enough and now more and more troops are being pulled in.  I'm really starting to think that the only way is to win over the Afghan people but I'm not sure that's practical or achievable.

I think you're right about trying to push democracy on them though.  It's like trying to fight an endless tide.
5233  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Obama Pushes Lobbyist Off Advisory Panels on: November 27, 2009, 01:45:54 PM
This is good news coming from Obama's administration.  Hopefully he'll continue it and others will follow.
5234  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: should total idiots be allowed to vote? on: November 27, 2009, 08:51:30 AM
First, the citizenship test does not test intellect.  It tests mostly knowledge of history, English, and US government.

Second, I've heard a lot of criticism surrounding the fairness of the test given that many natural born citizens can't even pass it as well as what language it should be given in.

Third, you're talking how many thousands vs how many tens of millions?


And what's going to constitute a "non-idiot"? 

If a business issue is on the table for an election, how much knowledge do I have to have about the mortgage crisis?

How we fight Afghanistan is extremely important.  So does somebody have to understand military logistics not to be considered an idiot?

I think you see where I'm going and I just don't think it's reasonably practical to administer such a test.
5235  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: should total idiots be allowed to vote? on: November 27, 2009, 08:07:20 AM
Isn't this what the electoral college was "theoretically" supposed to protect from, lol?

I don't think there is any practical way to administer an intelligence test.  I think the questions would be endlessly subjected to claims of bias, etc. 
5236  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 333, HH6 VS. Mons on: November 27, 2009, 07:58:52 AM
Skip - BF said that is not even him!


it's not him.



Mons found to be lying AGAIN!  Oh the shock, I can't believe it.  Dishonesty from a fake poser?  Who would've gue....Oh wait.

Ever get tired of the lies Mons?  Or is it pathological?
5237  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: If non blacks are racist for not agreeing obama men must be sexist towards Palin on: November 25, 2009, 10:29:25 PM
lol...No, I do not think you meant it literally.

Have a great Thanksgiving.  I'm out for the night!
5238  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: If non blacks are racist for not agreeing obama men must be sexist towards Palin on: November 25, 2009, 09:47:07 PM
skip you seem smart , do you really honestly think that I mean every single liberal in the entire U.S thinks that way? And makes that comment? Do I really need to be that literal with you for you to get the general idea?


Uhhh...I was standing up for you...

I think I'm starting to see the problem here.


facetious
fa⋅ce⋅tious  /fəˈsiʃəs/  Show Spelled Pronunciation [fuh-see-shuhs]  Show IPA
–adjective
1. not meant to be taken seriously or literally: a facetious remark. 
2. amusing; humorous.
3. lacking serious intent; concerned with something nonessential, amusing, or frivolous: a facetious person.



5239  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: If non blacks are racist for not agreeing obama men must be sexist towards Palin on: November 25, 2009, 09:16:44 PM
I don't believe every lib  thinks that way , but I also cant believe how easy it pops into quite alot of people head rather than actually listening to something rather than being blinded by color, I mean I would never call a non white a racist cause they didn't like the war that bush started thats just stupid and childish. More and more though I hear this from people because they have no other comeback or rebuttal or even anything sensible to say, so the next thing to do is be quite or be a smart ass back to these tards, and I like being smart assed sometimes  just like libs with their term tea bagging that even gets thrown out in the news in front of kids.


Hence me saying you were speaking facetiously.   Wink

5240  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: If non blacks are racist for not agreeing obama men must be sexist towards Palin on: November 25, 2009, 09:00:17 PM
Actually skip I was just asking a question, sorry you didnt like it though?


I have no problem with your question, I was responding to Straw Man taking you too literally.  Unless, of course, I'm wrong.

Do you actually believe that each and every single liberal assumes a person is racist when someone says something negative about Obama?  Do you actually believe that ALL liberals are that way?
5241  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: If non blacks are racist for not agreeing obama men must be sexist towards Palin on: November 25, 2009, 08:07:44 PM
Show some respect

That's a quote from the Very Reverend Jerry Falwell


Christians... Tongue

Drop the dumb act Straw Man, I've read enough of your posts to know that you're a smart guy.  BodyProSite was just being facetious and you know it.
5242  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Head to Iraq in the morning. on: November 25, 2009, 08:05:27 PM
Happy Thanksgiving HH, stay safe.
5243  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Woman loses benefits because of Facebook picture on: November 25, 2009, 06:06:58 PM
Agreed, can not make that determination from a group of pictures alone.

I work part time contracting medical services for US Gov.  Management & I have been involved with multiple cases of people trying to abuse extended medical leave.  It's far too common.  In this case, the taxpayors foot the bill.  The rules & regs make it difficult for managers to deny FMLA and medical leave, even in very questionable cases.
Too often primary care docs write long work excuses for their own patients because the patient makes the request and their duty is only to their patient without considering work & financial consequence.  There should be an evaluation by an independant medical examiner if paid leave is granted longer than a week (and the worker has no sick time left).


Why are you saying taxpayers are footing the bill?
5244  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: SEALS charged for terrorist's bloody lip - Outrageous on: November 25, 2009, 06:03:19 PM
I don't think it's going to interfere with their job.  These guys will get off and common sense will prevail.


I really hope you're right, KC.
5245  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 333, HH6 VS. Mons on: November 25, 2009, 05:56:39 PM
WTF?  How many times has Mons whacked off to posted BF's picture?  Why would you have another mans pic stored on your hard drive?


Well, I guess from you that's something we could expect...
5246  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: If non blacks are racist for not agreeing obama men must be sexist towards Palin on: November 25, 2009, 05:53:06 PM
A few people, even prominent ones does not equal EVERYONE and EVERYTIME

It's these sweeping generalities that I have a problem with


Christians,like slaves & soldiers,ask no questions



Uhhh...yeah, OK.
5247  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: the one and only official Sarah Palin funny picture thread on: November 24, 2009, 09:37:15 PM
No but i'm using narcotic cough syrup, as i have a bloody cough...


Do  you realize that you have two spelling errors..Mr JD, doctrine


Haha...oh the irony... Cheesy
5248  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: the one and only official Sarah Palin funny picture thread on: November 24, 2009, 09:20:25 PM
33 has a doctorate nicky, so it's not like you're going to one up him on education.

Why don't you just post counter arguments in his threads?
5249  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Should the Republicans pick their battles a little better? on: November 24, 2009, 09:10:53 PM
The health bill does not scare me as much as the crap & tax bill.  Health care bill is horrific in its present form, but there is a chance to kill it.  Crap & Tax is utterly catastrophic and now based on what we know to be fraudulent data.


Cap & Trade is a horrific mess.  I would think that's a bill that Republicans should condemn in it's entirety because I haven't seen anything of value in it.  But, there are things within the healthcare bill that do have value.  We just need to squeeze out the pork.
5250  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: the one and only official Sarah Palin funny picture thread on: November 24, 2009, 08:46:53 PM
wasn't me.


And BeachBum's not around.  Ozmo maybe?  Or could nicky.stalker be exposed as a liar.  Hmmm...
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