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5401  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Proposed Healthcare Bill Taxes/Fees on: December 25, 2009, 09:21:50 PM
Skip - also - when you have 30 million new people eneteing a system now and no corresponding increase in medical providers, what do you think is going to happen?  Serious, think about it what this is going to accomplish?

Also, the CBO already said that the numbers the dem used were nonsense and that this is going to increase the deficit, not decrease it. 

Its a complete disaster on so many levels. 

On another thread, I gave about 8 questions to Benny regarding this bill, you know how many he answered?  0

Yet, he is cheering like this is a good thing.  Unreal. 



Exactly, when pressed on the tough questions he runs like a cowering little bitch.


As for the manpower issue, I thought nursing was already hurting for people (I'll have to ask a couple of the nurses I know, but I'm fairly sure that's correct).  So, I'm just guessing but maybe they'll try and incentivize new recruits with higher salaries which will lead to even greater costs.  Fuck...where will it ever end...
5402  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Terrorist attack foiled on Detroit bound plane by man claiming ties to Al Quaeda on: December 25, 2009, 09:14:05 PM
It was a jab at people like 240 who constantly try to convince me of a 9/11 CT saying Bush was out of the area and let it happen, etc etc.  I guess that went over your head. 

No surprise here.  One of the biggest retards on the board, who's a regular, just...didn't...get...it.  Maybe you should have made a Youtube video for him 33?
5403  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Soviet veteran recalls Afghan war on: December 25, 2009, 09:10:55 PM
Imposing our will on the World is very costly to all sides Another trillion in tax dollars and more middle class sacrifice for the wealthy war profiteers and oil companies on wall street.





Uhhh...yeah, that's why we're in Afghanistan...idiot.  Roll Eyes
5404  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: that perfect right wing stocking stuffer on: December 25, 2009, 09:09:21 PM
left wing stocking stuffer....

a simple cup they can use to panhandle  with


Cheesy
5405  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: I dont care that its Christmas - Obama still sucks and is a marxist. on: December 25, 2009, 09:07:43 PM
A very late Merry Christmas to you too, 333386!
5406  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Proposed Healthcare Bill Taxes/Fees on: December 25, 2009, 09:05:18 PM
I see no redeeming qualities or benefits from this legislation whatsoever. 


I don't get it at all.  Taxes on high end insurance programs?  Why the assumption that people will be keeping these programs once they start getting taxed on them?  Same with cosmetic surgery.

Fees for drug makers, medical device makers, and health insurance companies all get passed onto the very people who we're trying to help - patients!  How the fuck does that make any sense?

I notice some of the board libs are big on boasting they got something through.  BFD.  Try explaining some of these tougher questions.
5407  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: More Treason - Obama Gives Interpol Free Run In America on: December 24, 2009, 04:43:44 PM
I was concerned about this too when I heard it, but I can't make up my mind.  It seems to me that this smells of quid pro quo.  Maybe we got something somewhere in exchange.  If we didn't, it's just inconceivable that he gave INTERPOL this degree of immunity.  So, I'm going to reserve judgement until, hopefully, more comes out. 
5408  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Proposed Healthcare Bill Taxes/Fees on: December 24, 2009, 04:37:42 PM
Skip- I alluded to this a week or two ago.

The status quo is a lot better than destroying the entire system.



Yeah, I disagreed with you then.  Now, I'm rethinking my position.
5409  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Proposed Healthcare Bill Taxes/Fees on: December 24, 2009, 04:11:44 PM
Individual mandate too...
5410  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Proposed Healthcare Bill Taxes/Fees on: December 24, 2009, 04:09:48 PM
I want reform too.  But, I hate this bill.  Here are some of the ways it's going to be paid for according to the Joint Committee on Taxation (jct.gov):

Tax on high-end health insurance plans: $149.1 billion
Capping flexible spending accounts at $2,500: $14.6 billion
Fees for drug makers: $22.2 billion
Fees for medical device makers: $19.3 billion
Fees for health insurance companies: $60.4 billion
Higher floor for deducting medical expenses: $15.2 billion
Higher payroll tax for top earners: $53.8 billion
Tax on cosmetic surgery: $5.8 billion

Consumers pay for all of the above, so how is raising the fees helping to lower healthcare costs?  Doctors are also getting screwed (not complaining about that as most of you have been fucking us for a long time), hospitals, nurses, etc.



5411  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: No, it is a conspiracy THEORY and a fact........ on: December 24, 2009, 05:47:21 AM
I agree, the UN sucks big time.  But, when flying haz mat on commercial air, we do need standards to follow.  It'd be great if all the countries followed our AFMAN!  Cheesy
5412  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: No, it is a conspiracy THEORY and a fact........ on: December 24, 2009, 04:58:39 AM
I see it as finding the right balance, and maybe that's what we're on the cusp of now.  Some global governance is necessary.  For example, almost all countries follow the UN standards for transporting and handling hazardous materials.  And, for the most part, a hazmat symbol in this country means the same thing in Germany, or China, or India.  This gives us a basis for consistency and safe practices.

But, we have to draw that line somewhere between good global governance and ceding our sovereignty.  And that line can certainly get fuzzy sometimes.
5413  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Sarah Palin: I told you so on Death Panels! on: December 23, 2009, 04:21:33 PM
Who has said anything about rationing care? This is designed to stop medicare's useless spending not to ration care.


It is rationing and it's a sad, heartbreaking necessity.  Neither the government nor private insurance can afford to give every sick person all the possible tests, all the possible surgeries, all the possible treatments.  In my future ideal world (where I'm a Jedi Knight), this may come to pass.  But, not here and now. 

Right now, it's being done by insurance company's.  So I'm not getting the outrage at the government. 

Nobody gets a blank check.
5414  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Sarah Palin Wins "Top Lie Of 2009" on: December 23, 2009, 04:10:33 PM
Bump for the mods to please, please ban this disgusting, sick, douchebag called Mons.  What kind of pathetic trash makes a comment about shooting a sticky load on a baby.  Even in jest.  WTF?
5415  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Our war dead on foreign soil. on: December 23, 2009, 01:25:30 PM
Great post George.
5416  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Senate healthcare bill includes gun ownership rights! on: December 23, 2009, 01:22:49 PM
Lol...Agreed 240, great move on this one.
5417  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: NYT - Guantanomo closure to be delayed at least another year. on: December 23, 2009, 01:18:40 PM
I can't see where 33 has complained about Gitmo closing.  He posted an article for discussion and pointed out, yet another, administration fuck up.

Of course, I'd expect the pedophile fake vet to jump on this, but...
5418  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Sarah Palin Wins "Top Lie Of 2009" on: December 23, 2009, 11:00:44 AM
Love to shoot a sticky load all over $arah and her DAUGHTERS mongoloid kid.  Cheesy


Good job fake vet.  You just outed yourself as a pedo.  Stupid POS.
5419  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Sarah Palin: I told you so on Death Panels! on: December 23, 2009, 10:48:14 AM
Of course Palin's right, Dems are just upset because she's using direct wording to make the point.

But, it seems that there is no mention now of the same panels for private insurance companies.  Under our current system, insurance companies deny coverage such as "exploratory surgery" and "experimental treatments" all the time.  They routinely make decisions that a person of such and such age will not be covered because the treatment has not been clearly proven to be helpful in a sufficient number of patients.

Rationing is inevitable - be it private insurers or the government, nobody is getting a blank check.
5420  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Obama to Left Wing Base: "I never campaigned for a Public Option" - YOU LIE! on: December 23, 2009, 03:40:26 AM
The public option is a way to destroy companies, not keep costs down.  Opposing politicians are doing this country a service.  I wanted healthcare reform, but it looks like were in for a bureaucratic mess.  Bunch of fuck-ups...
5421  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Criticize a Dem...He tries to put you in Jail on: December 23, 2009, 03:37:37 AM
in the same way palin scares you  Wink


Haha.  Exactly.

They'll piss and moan endlessly about Palin and stupid "tweets", but here we have an actual congressman trying to jail a person over something trivial and it's like, "no big deal...".

Dems are a scary group of people.
5422  Getbig Alternative Boards / Y Board - The Player's Club / Re: Holy snow storm. on: December 22, 2009, 08:30:34 PM
For a bankrupt state we sure got alot of muthafukkas living here. Angry


Legally?
5423  Getbig Misc Too Board / Getbig Comments Suggestions Complaints Board / Re: happy holidays ron on: December 22, 2009, 08:08:25 PM
Yes, happy holidays.  You have a great website.  Especially the political board!  Cheesy
5424  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Criticize a Dem...He tries to put you in Jail on: December 22, 2009, 08:02:44 PM
That's not just a holocaust reference, it's a lesson to be learned of all governments.

Yes, it's unlikely she will go to jail, but that's not the point.  The fact that a congressman is pressuring the Attorney General to jail somebody over this crap is the point.  And that type of abusive power is sickening and scary.
5425  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: What the Hell...What the F**k??? on: December 22, 2009, 07:17:16 PM
Somebody's knocking at the door....
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