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5401  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: What is the difference between a "liberal" and a "progressive"? on: January 13, 2010, 07:40:24 PM

Let's be clear - most progressives are also liberals, and liberal goals in better funding America's social safety net are noble and critical. It's the other direction that's the problem. Many of today's liberals are not fully comfortable with progressivism as defined in these terms. Many of today's Democratic politicians, for instance, are simply not comfortable taking a more confrontational posture towards large economic institutions (many of whom fund their campaigns) - institutions that regularly take a confrontational posture towards America's middle-class.


To me, that distinction is so small and irrelevant it's simply not worth bothering.

Progressive = Liberal, Liberal = Progressive.
5402  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: America Rising: An Open Letter to Democrat Politicians..... on: January 13, 2010, 07:34:15 PM
We have done this to ourselves by allowing the dems and repubs to dictate who is put on the ballet. We have to elect an independant or third party candidate to start the ball rolling, we have to let the dems and repubs know that they no longer have a monopoly on the government.


Easier said then done.  The two parties have a stranglehold on the system.  Money, infrastructure...3rd parties have a hell of a time.  We need some significant election reform before a viable 3rd party candidate can succeed, IMO.  That, or maybe the media will someday latch onto a 3rd party candidate and help push them up.
5403  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: America Rising: An Open Letter to Democrat Politicians..... on: January 13, 2010, 04:28:44 PM
Great vid.  I think even a lot of libs are going to like that.
5404  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Obama: I've Failed To Bring Americans Together... But I'll Try Again This Year on: January 13, 2010, 04:23:40 PM
Rusdy Guiliani said on Larry King this week, that he's sure Obama will swing moderate this year 2010 to keep some seats.  It's what I've been saying for a year.

"Deeds above words" should work both ways lol... GITMO still sits open, Obama hasn't released a single GITMO prisoner (while 70+ Bush releasees are in yemen fighting), Obama is spending more $ on the wars than bush did... and we won't even get into bush letting 911 happen in year one...


I was wondering how long it would take you to bring up Bush in an Obama discussion.


33 may be right, it may be too late.  But, I think that you are right in the sense that that is how Barry will try and portray himself.  And if the media backs that perception...
5405  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Obama: I've Failed To Bring Americans Together... But I'll Try Again This Year on: January 13, 2010, 04:12:01 PM
why am i blind?

white house will 'unite' by getting more moderate voters on board.  they do all the lib shit in year 1, then play moderate in year 2 for 2010 seat races.

then, early 2011 they push amnesty, gun control and other lib BS.  Then, for fall 11 primaries (to ensure obama doesn't get a hilary or evan buyh challenger) he goes pure moderate, or complete inaction (doing little to piss anyone off) until the elections.

watch and see.


Haha...another Clintonian waffler.  But, you're probably right.  If not in actions then certainly in campaign speeches.  Deeds above words...but, if the media decides to make him a superstar again I suppose he'll be portrayed as middle of the road, humble, fighting the good fight, blah, blah, blah...
5406  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Harry Reid uses the "Negro" word to describe Obama. on: January 12, 2010, 09:13:00 PM
Many people do all sorts of things to limit their opportunities.  It's not specific to race.  I've worked closely with human resources over the years.  It's amazing how many people show up to interviews in jeans these days.  You would not believe it.


What do you do for a living?  If you would rather not say, can you give the industry you work in?  Just curious.
5407  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Google: now serving cowardliness on: January 12, 2010, 09:08:53 PM
Google was claiming it's a bug.  If they allow the Muhammed stuff through, I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt.
5408  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: The Lucifer Project...Crashing Cassini Into Saturn To Ignite It (update) on: January 12, 2010, 01:56:02 PM
It was a joke of course.  As far as this topic, I was never good at physics and won't pretend to be. 

As far as Lucifer project goes, in my mind that is the NWO agenda these criminals are pursuing. 

I had to spend a year in physics when I was in college.   Tongue

I'm no where near TheLuke, of course, but I think he's done a great job of breaking down this issue for us (at least for the dumb people like me Cheesy).

5409  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: The Lucifer Project...Crashing Cassini Into Saturn To Ignite It (update) on: January 12, 2010, 01:37:53 PM
BF - many people have told me I am the dumbest person on this thread.  No? 

No, you're not by far.  SAMSON?  Yes, she may very well be.
5410  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Tea Party closer to Communists than the Liberals? on: January 12, 2010, 01:35:46 PM
KC - I have gone to tea parties and will tell you most people I have met are barely middle class people hanging on who want freedom, and to be left alone.  They are not corporate shills or lackeys and hate what this vile govt is doing. 

You need to wake the hell up and realize that Obama and these dems are not working for you.  The DeathCare bill and all the sell outs alone should waje you up as to what is going on bud sadly, I dont think it will.     


Going to have to agree with KC on this one dude.  Distance yourself from the Tea Party, they're turning out to be a whack job group.  Striking to hurt Obama?  Encouraging people to take a 20 day road trip?  Do these people even have jobs?

The enemy of your enemy is NOT your friend!
5411  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: "Its not Ted Kennedy's Seat, its the peoples' seat." - GOP win in Mass? on: January 12, 2010, 01:30:09 PM
I can't see the same people who kept electing Kennedy turn and elect somebody from the GOP.  But, you never know...
5412  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Obama Believes 'Liberal Angst' Over Healthcare Will Go Away. (What a POFS!) on: January 11, 2010, 08:50:00 PM
Skip you get to pick what amuses you and what doesnt.   The next level is to appreciate the ridiculousness of it on both sides.  Most people dont have the guts to think out of the box but it can take alot off your shoulders.
Dems are crooks and repubs are crooks but only a few will admit it.


In order to define what's ridiculous and what isn't, you first have to be standing on solid ground.

IMO, his argument is ridiculous.  Trying to present yourselves as being "above the fray" just makes it egotistical and ridiculous.

Ever heard of Miles' Law?

"Where you stand, depends on where you sit."

Since you're so much more advanced then the rest of us, I'll let you figure out how that applies.
5413  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Obama Believes 'Liberal Angst' Over Healthcare Will Go Away. (What a POFS!) on: January 11, 2010, 08:28:45 PM
again, OJ broke the law.

FOX holding back the edwards affair wasn't illegal.  It was political gamesmanship.


Not according to the law he didn't.  He and his legal team played the system like grandmasters of chess.  According to your own standards they should be admired.

You're attempting to pick and choose who should be admired for working the system.  But, when you structure an argument like that, by default, it means that unsavory people will have to be admired for their prowess.  
5414  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Obama Believes 'Liberal Angst' Over Healthcare Will Go Away. (What a POFS!) on: January 11, 2010, 04:20:10 PM
LOL 240 admiring politicians for playing the game  Roll Eyes

the should be condemned for playing the game not given props you fuktard...




That's a great point Tony. 
5415  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: The Lucifer Project...Crashing Cassini Into Saturn To Ignite It (update) on: January 11, 2010, 04:05:55 PM
If you had told me there would be a day when I was glad that The Luke was a poster on the politics board I would have called you damn liar...

Glad to have witnessed the owning of the idiocy that is samson

thank you luke  Grin


Gotta agree.  I've never seen TheLuke administer this kind of a brutal beatdown.  Cheesy

Any scientific rebuttal SAMSON?  Any?
5416  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: The Scariest Jobs Chart Ever on: January 10, 2010, 09:39:51 PM
Skip - BARRY NEVER WANTED REIMPORTATION!

I posted numerous articles that this was the deal he cut in the WH in order to get their support.  He never even tried!



He did want it, he did try, but in the end he sold out to Big Pharma like a cheap red district bitch...
5417  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: The Lucifer Project...Crashing Cassini Into Saturn To Ignite It (update) on: January 10, 2010, 09:20:51 PM
TheLuke is actually dead-on with the science aspect:



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Will Galileo Make Jupiter a Star?
September 14, 2003
Update (November 14, 2003): It turns out that I made an error in one of my arguments on the original version of this page. It doesn't affect the end result (that Galileo cannot blow up like a bomb), but I want to make sure I am honest here. I don't want this to get in the way of the main point, so I am putting the explanation of my error at the bottom of this page. This page now reflects the current arguments. Here is the old, incorrect page.



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 In October of 1989, NASA launched the Galileo spacecraft toward the planet Jupiter. Its mission was manyfold: to explore the moons of the giant planet, to investigate the environment of Jupiter's neighborhood, and to drop a probe into Jupiter's atmosphere to measure its physical characteristics.

After nearly eight years, Galileo's mission is over. It is out of fuel, and has been hammered by Jupiter's radioactive magnetic field for so long that its hardware is dying. NASA decided that the best thing to do is use the remaining fuel to drop the spacecraft into Jupiter, where it will burn up harmlessly. They feel this is better than letting it continue to orbit the planet, because it might eventually crash into one of the moons. One such moon, Europa, may just possibly have the right conditions for life to evolve, and they don't want Galileo to contaminate the moon, even given the extremely long odds of it happening. Galileo will plunge into Jupiter on September 21, 2003, around 20:00 hours Greenwich time.

But some people think that NASA had more plans for Galileo. They claim that NASA's nefarious scheme was to drop Galileo into Jupiter and use it to ignite Jupiter like a fusion bomb, either turning it into a star like the Sun, or simply blowing it to smithereens. J.C. Goliathan, one of the main proponents of this "Jupiter ignition" idea, has a long page about all this.

Can this be true? Could NASA accomplish such a dastardly plot?

As always, the short answer to this is to look at the title bar of your browser and read the name of this website. To save you time, I'll just say it here: no, Galileo will not do anything to Jupiter. Like a meteor, it'll burn up in the dense atmosphere, and become a part of the solar system's largest planet.

Yet the idea that Jupiter may explode is spreading across the web, sticking in this case (unlike the Moon Hoax or Planet X) mostly to the woowoo sites. So what are the main ideas behind it, and why are they wrong?

There are several ideas put forth, and they are wrong for lots of reasons. They sound legitimate, as many pseudoscientific ideas do, but that's different than actually being right. Let's take a look.

Here are the claims made by the alarmists:

Galileo has plutonium onboard. This is what makes fission bombs! NASA plans on creating a fission bomb using Galileo.

Fusion bombs are made by using fission bombs as triggers. The implosion caused by a fission bomb ignites hydrogen into fusion, generating a much bigger blast. Jupiter is made of mostly hydrogen! So it can be blown up like an H-bomb.

Stars work by fusing hydrogen. Jupiter might turn into a star, or it might simply blow up like a bomb.
Got all that? OK, point-by-point, let's see why it's all wrong.



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1) Galileo has plutonium onboard. This is what makes fission bombs! NASA plans on creating a fission bomb using Galileo.

Galileo does indeed have plutonium (Pu) onboard. The instruments onboard need power, and Jupiter is too far from the Sun to use solar power very well. The solar panels would need to be very large, too large and heavy to get to Jupiter.

Instead, Galileo uses a tried-and-true technology: radioisotope thermoelectric generators (RTGs). Basically, these are extremely simple devices: inside an RTG is a pellet of radioactive material. As the material decays, it generates heat. The heat is converted to electricity, which powers the spacecraft.

Galileo's RTGs use plutonium in the form of ceramic pellets of plutonium dioxide. There is about 50 pounds of Pu onboard, stored in 144 separate cylindrical pellets. There are two RTGs on Galileo, each with 72 pellets (a paper about RTGs with a diagram can be found at NASA's Space Science website). Note: I am not going to get into a discussion over whether RTGs are safe, and the dangers or lack thereof posed by launching radioactive materials into space. Please read Spaceviews' page on RTGs for more info, and their list of pro and anti RTG sites as well.


 Fission bombs work in this (simplified) way. The nucleus of a plutonium atom naturally splits into two or more pieces when a neutron (a subatomic particle) hits it. When it splits (also called fissioning), it releases energy and more neutrons. These hit other nuclei, causing them to split, etc. If the atoms are too far apart, then this effect won't work, because, basically, the neutrons miss the other nuclei. But if the atoms are packed tightly enough, you get a runaway reaction. More and more split, the energy released gets very big, and boom! Atomic bomb.

The amount of mass you need packed together to get a runaway chain reaction is called the critical mass. For plutonium 238, the kind that was on Galileo, you need about 10 or so kilograms (22 pounds) all packed tightly into a ball. Galileo had more than that amount on board, but (and this is a huge but) it was spread out in smaller pieces. The RTGs extend along a long boom, a rod that extends out from the main body of the spacecraft, and not in a way that works as a fission bomb. There are 72 separate chambers where the Pu238 was stored, and each piece had a sub-critical mass. You would have to compress those pieces together to make them critical and cause a fission reaction.

But that could not happen. Why not? Because Galileo entered Jupiter at a speed of about 100,000 miles per hour. At that speed, the pressure would tear the spacecraft apart. It slows as it passes through denser atmosphere, of course, but the pressures would be so high at those velocities that Galileo would be shredded. As the pieces fall off, they are heated due to compressing the air in front of them. This is why meteors get hot, in fact, and at these speeds the metal on Galileo would melt in short order. This would release the plutonium, dispersing it.

So instead of compressing it, as the pseudoscientists claim, the plutonium would actually get strewn through Jupiter, making it literally impossible to explode. So step one -- Galileo becoming a fission bomb -- cannot happen.

Not that this stops the pseudoscientists, of course. The doomcriers at YOWUSA make a big deal of how Pu is used in a bomb, and even show the geometry of a fission-induced fusion bomb (Note added November, 2003: YOWUSA has made their archives available only to subscribers, so the image is no longer available). But that's not how the RTGs are constructed! Posting that image is grossly misleading. The RTGs are not in anything like the geometry of a fission bomb. This is more obfuscation on the part of the doomsayers. Also, the YOWUSA folks, when quoting Goliathan, appear to think that somehow the pressure from the passage of Galileo through Jupiter's atmosphere will compress the plutonium enough to start a chain reaction, which will then trigger fusion. But the fission has to happen with precise timing, and in a certain geometry. How do they propose that will happen, exactly, with Galileo tumbling down into Jupiter, parts of it flying off due to the heat and pressure of supersonic atmospheric entry? They somehow conveniently left that part off of their description.

Conclusion: The plutonium on Galileo cannot fission to become a bomb.



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2) Fusion bombs are made by using fission bombs as triggers. The implosion caused by a fission bomb ignites hydrogen into fusion, generating a much bigger blast.

A hydrogen bomb explodes because atomic nuclei of hydrogen are squeezed together. If squeezed hard enough, the atomic nuclei fuse (stick together), and that releases energy. You have to apply a lot of pressure and heat to get the hydrogen to do this, and one way to do that is to use the blast wave from a fission bomb.

Basically, a fission bomb is used to trigger a process which creates the hydrogen fuel for the fusion reaction (more on this in a moment). The shock wave and heat from the fission explosion must work in a very specific way to do this. When it works, the fusion releases far more energy than a fission explosion, which is why H-bombs have so much more explosive yield than A-bombs.

And hey, isn't Jupiter mostly hydrogen? Yikes, a fission explosion can make Jupiter explode like a bomb!

No, it can't, and for two reasons. Well, three if you include the fact that Galileo couldn't make a fission bomb, as noted above. But even if it could, it wouldn't make Jupiter detonate, because the RTGs aren't configured to be used as a fission trigger, and because Jupiter doesn't have the right stuff in it to fuse.

While Jupiter is mostly hydrogen, it's the wrong kind. Remember isotopes; atoms with different number of neutrons? Hydrogen has them too. A hydrogen nucleus at its simplest is just a lone proton. Deuterium (D2) is hydrogen with a neutron and a proton, and tritium (T3) is a proton with two neutrons. Fusion bombs need the neutron-added isotopes. Regular old hydrogen won't do it. Simply taking a sample of hydrogen gas and compressing it won't make it fuse; you need a fuel enriched with D2 and T3. Finding these materials isn't all that easy, and a randomly selected pocket of Jupiter's gas is unlikely in the extreme to have them in sufficient quantities to explode.

What's worse, the way we make bombs these days, you need lithium to make them work, and that's not terribly common in Jupiter either. Here's how a fusion bomb works. You need a fission explosion to start with, which is used to do two things: it generates X-rays, which heat and compress the fusion fuel, and it actually helps create the fuel. As I have discovered while researching this article, the process is somewhat complicated. In a very brief nutshell, the fission explosion is used to irradiate lithium. Neutrons from the fission explosion combine with the lithium to create tritium. The heat and pressure from the X-rays compress the tritium, and bang!

Again, this sequence of events is highly unlikely to occur on Jupiter. You need lots of lithium, which is not terribly abundant. You need it to make tritium, which is highly unstable (it doesn't last long once created) and again unlikely in the extreme to be found in Jupiter's atmosphere. It's really just plain old silly to think this could happen with Galileo, even if it had the right kind of fission material. Which it doesn't.

This doesn't stop Goliathan from speculating wildly, though. He says:

However, conventional belief says that Deuterium and Tritium (isotopes of Hydrogen) are necessary to accomplish fusion. Both may be present or created during a reaction within the dense liquid hydrogen of Jupiter.
Again, he doesn't state how this might happen. I am not an expert on such things, and won't speculate, but it seems unlikely that Jupiter can create these elements, given that it takes nuclear reactions to do it (specifically, a proton has to absorb an electron and an anti-neutrino to become a neutron). Jupiter isn't big enough to do it.

Even if you supplied a fission bomb, you won't get hydrogen (tritium) to fuse. And Galileo doesn't have what it takes to make a fission explosion.



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3) Stars work by fusing hydrogen. Jupiter might turn into a star, or it might simply blow up like a bomb.

OK, so we don't have fission, and we don't have fusion. So let's suppose, contrary to all evidence, that NASA is really lying to us, and has put fission bombs and fusion fuel aboard Galileo. When they go off, will Jupiter explode, or turn into a star?

Nope, and nope. Fusion is not a runaway process. Once you start it up, it generates a lot of heat, which tends to expand the material violently (this is what we technically call a bomb). This means the fuel gets scattered, and it won't fuse. Making really big hydrogen bombs run into this problem, making it hard to make really big bombs, which in my book is perhaps a good thing.

So the process tends to damp itself off. Jupiter won't explode. It won't turn into a star, either. Stars work by maintaining fusion in their cores. Now, I just said fusion isn't self-sustaining, so how do stars keep it going? They do it by containing the hydrogen in a small volume. This is accomplished by piling a lot of mass on top of the hydrogen: the mass of the star.

The star has enough gravity that all that mass squeezes and heats the core enough for fusion to not only take place, but to continue at a relatively stable pace. But it turns out there is a lower limit to that mass; if you don't have enough, then you don't get the high temperatures and pressures necessary to ignite fusion. That mass is about 0.077 times the mass of the Sun, or 80 times Jupiter's mass. In other words, Jupiter is 1/80th the mass it needs to turn into a star. Some people call Jupiter a failed star, but in reality it ain't even close.

Conclusion: Jupiter won't explode, or turn into a star, because it lacks the containment to keep fusion going.



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There's more, of course. Goliathan, in his article, makes lots of statements as if they are facts, but are actually wrong. For example, it might be relevant to ask why NASA doesn't simply boost Galileo out of the Jupiter system and into space, rather than smack it into Jupiter. Goliathan takes that farther:


Some argue that the craft is caught in Jupiter's pull now, but with all of the gravity assist tricks available, and still some propellant left, the craft should be able to break free even if they had to use an assist of one of the larger moons.
Here he shows a profound ignorance of the situation. Jupiter's gravity is immense. Escape velocity is quite high, nearly 6 times (*) that of Earth's! If Galileo had enough fuel to escape from Jupiter, then we wouldn't have needed to use gravity assists from Venus and twice with Earth. As an example, the propellant used to get to Jupiter needed to change Galileo's velocity by about 15 kilometers/second (the difference between the Earth's orbital speed and Jupiter's). The rocket could not provide that on its own, so we needed help from the gravity of Venus and Earth. But, to escape Jupiter from, say, the distance of Europa, Galileo needs to add 6 km/s to its velocity, a healthy chunk of what it needed to get to Jupiter in the first place. Closer in to Jupiter the situation is even worse. Up until about 2001, there was enough fuel on board Galileo to have it get into an escape trajectory, but after that there was too little fuel left.

If I have time I will add to this article over the next few days, but I think I've made it pretty clear that this idea that Galileo will somehow cause a nuclear explosion on Jupiter is wrong. Remember, if you hear something on the web about how some astronomical event may cause doomsday here on Earth, read it with a very skeptical eye. And check Bad Astronomy before you start putting your affairs in order!

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/jupiter_galileo.html
5418  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Cheney: Palin a 'reckless choice' on: January 10, 2010, 09:16:53 PM
Arnet you the one screaming about people focusing on trivial topics and not issues 240?

Yeah really.  The Senate Majority Leaders comments are apparently a frivolous distraction, but Palin...that's some important shit.  Roll Eyes

I think he has a crush on her...
5419  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: The Scariest Jobs Chart Ever on: January 10, 2010, 09:14:00 PM
newsflash... Libs didn't and won't get their healhcare bill.  The Insurance companies got their bill.  You can't show me where libs are happy with this bill whatsoever.


And Big Pharma.  Barry wasn't able to get his re importation amendments through.  I still have no idea if they pass this bill, what's going to keep costs in check?

As for the libs supporting it?  Well, they're the ones pushing it through.  Although I agree in the sense that the liberal base of voters don't support it and that may come back to bite these politicians in the ass.  Hopefully!
5420  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Harry Reid uses the "Negro" word to describe Obama. on: January 10, 2010, 01:31:09 PM
when determining if a person is qualified to hold VP slot, you have to evaluate her judgment and ability to make decisions.


And the Senate majority leader isn't worthy of the same scrutiny?
5421  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Harry Reid uses the "Negro" word to describe Obama. on: January 10, 2010, 01:21:37 PM
What's the big deal? Lots of drama queens getting all excited. Roll Eyes

This culture of everyone getting offended is killing our society.
Wouldn't bet against some ass clown demanding Reid taking a 'sensitivity' class.



Our society?  NWO ain't here yet.

The reason it's going to be a big deal is because of the hypocrisy issue.  It's the exact same thing when Republicans take the moral high ground only to have their immorality exposed.
5422  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Muslims in Malaysia firebombing churches because of court ruling on: January 10, 2010, 12:59:29 PM
ok, so we have one, with less than 400 posts.  Is there more, confirmed that we know about?

Here's some Muslims/Apologists for you Hugo:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=312118.0


I'd add Jag and KSA even though I don't remember them in the above thread.  Although they may have posted in it.
5423  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Does Obama Hate White people....yes no answer will suffice on: January 10, 2010, 09:00:08 AM

ahh you r one of em "style" over "substance" sorta people

gotcha  Wink



Nah, I vote on substance...which is why he didn't get my vote.  Cheesy

The style issue was just my response to your post about him getting upset with the teleprompter.  He rarely gets frazzled in public.

Either way, none of this has to do with the question posed.  Do you have something concrete?  Or is this just CT?
5424  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Does Obama Hate White people....yes no answer will suffice on: January 10, 2010, 08:52:57 AM
his anger shows....ya kinda hafta put his behavioural clues together...remember when he misread his teleprompter and he ws visibly angry and trying to control it....hmmm now remember when bush got a shoe thrown at him and took it in stride...and even laughed about it after...

i dont see obama laughing if a shoe were thrown at him....he kinda has this self righteous self congratulatory sense about him...


Look bitch, don't ask for a yes or no answer and then go after my response.

I'll need something more than him sitting through racist lectures at church (which I believe he lied through his teeth about).  Something more concrete to indicate he hates white people.

As for the things you pointed to, I actually think that the way Barry carries himself is one of his strongest assets.  He looks and acts presidential in public.  His policies, etc., well...I'm not too big on those.
5425  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Panicked Healthcare Lobbyists flee to Mass. to ensure Dem. Senate win. on: January 10, 2010, 08:23:35 AM
All the more reason why they are trying to push this thing through as fast as possible without taking the time to get it right the first time.
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