They are cooperating and will see no jail time.

they have already been released, without bail, and only one charge against them.

over 48,000 vials alone were found. The source closed 3 weeks ago. A big fish just got hit hard

The feds had a very specific deadline to come down on the remailers were planning their wedding and spousal privilege would have made things messier. The writing was on the wall for some time, they closed down end of last month. The remailers are federally fucked and unsurprisingly are cooperating.

Over 1.8 mil in gear gh and other drugs seized in an ny bust recently.

RIP IP gear

depends where you get it from. most buy in bulk from costco/BJ's/Sam's club or get deals with local butchers. overall, though, it is the biggest expense by far.

So I have to admit I have come to really enjoy this board and its morbid curiosity with the chemical side of bodybuilding.

I sent my friend, a current IFBB pro, an email asking him if hed be willing to record everything he injects and eats in one day for me to post on here. Here it is below:

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So heres basically what I do in a normal training day in the offseason...enjoy lol

7:00AM - Wake up, drink 2 scoops of BCAA's, pin 5iu GH, take 50mcg t3

7:30AM - pin 10iu humalog IM, eat 60g whey isolate, 2 cups oats, 1 cup strawberries

9:30AM - pin 100mg injectable dbol, 100mg TNE, 15iu humulin-R subq, eat 1 cup oats, 2 cups egg whites

10:30 AM - 40g whey isolate, 75g carb powder

11:00AM - train while drinking gatorade mixed with 20g whey isolate, 50g carb powder, 2 scoops BCAA's, 10g creatine

12:00PM  - done training, immediately inject 10iu GH IM or IV (i hate doing it IV so sometimes i just pussy out and do it IM lol)

12:30PM -  10iu humalog IM with my post workout shake of 80g whey isolate, 100g carb powder

2:30PM - 8oz chicken breast, 2 cups grits or white rice

5:00PM - up to 16oz of chicken/turkey breast with a sweet potato (basically by this point in the day my stomach is crazy distended and i want to puke my guts out from the amount of food so i will put out about a pound of chicken or turkey and try to eat as much of it as possible without vomiting. then i eat the sweet potato when i hit a wall with the protein).

8:00pm - about 10-12oz of steak, usually flank or top sirloin. i dont really weigh it just basically again i buy a pound and eat however much i can stomach.

9:00PM - do my gear injections, depends what im running but if its a standard offseason i usually run a few grams of test deca and eq. I actually prefer to do all my long ester shots on mondays and thursdays which can be annoying because it can be 6-9cc's in a day depending on the gear im running and the mg/ml but heres a general idea...
3cc test cyp 300 in right glute
3cc deca 300 in left glute
3cc eq 300 right quad
3cc test e 300 left quad

then on Thursday for example i might do 5cc's in each VG again just depends what im running but i usually do my long esters like this

10:30PM - 60g whey isolate blended  with a few scoops of ice cream and 2 tablespoons peanut butter

11:30PM right before going to sleep 5iu GH subq

when i wake up in the middle of the night to go piss ill pin another 5iu GH subq

thats pretty much an average offseason day for me. i try to eat pretty clean and get almost all my calories from good foods. this keeps me pretty lean so i only really need about 10 weeks to get really shredded for a contest. i have a cheat meal once a week usually for dinner on sunday but even then its nothing too crazy. if i go to crazy on the cheat meals and have like a whole pizza the sodium will make me hold too much water and make my blood pressure go through the roof. the last time i ate a whole pizza as a cheat meal i almost had to go to the hospital the next day because of my blood pressure. i thought my head was going to explode. i only eat steak once or twice per week for dinner i dont eat tons of red meat because my cholestrol levels are already pretty fucked from the gear. people need to know that getting huge is just about being consistent. take a lot of gear eat a lot of clean food train hard and dont stop for years and youll end up huge everything else is genetics which is out of your control anyway.

150g carbs is not very much for a guy his size to see major carbing up effects, especially not in such a short time frame. most local level light heavy weight competitors need a few days at 200-300g carbs to carb up effectively.

yeah, typo. i meant higher mg per ml.

I guess its "better" because there is more active hormone per mg and EQ does take quite a bit of time in relatively big doses to give quantifiable results for bodybuilding purposes.

that said, the pain associated with bold ace/prop just makes it not worth it. most people end up getting really sick from it too.

The point about extremely high ml per ml gear is a valid one because of the necessary solvents required to make it hold in the solution.

I remember a national competitor (never went pro) a couple years ago who would mostly use test 500mg/ml. It was a blend of 3 or 4 long esters but still, 500mg per ml. He would load up 3cc's of it and put it in his glutes and quads in one shot.

I usually recommend, for guys starting out, to avoid putting gear in the arms, calves, traps, etc. I personally believe their is an appropriate time in one's "career" as to when the muscle fascia stretching and inflammation from large volume shots can be beneficial but not for some time. You can do a LARGE amount of cc's each week before needing to rotate to the smaller, more obvious muscle groups.

glutes can take 3cc's easily, 4-5cc's after a while.
VG can take 5cc easily.
quads can take 3 cc's easily.

2 glutes, 2 VG, 2 quads = 22-26cc's weekly without ever needing to touch any other muscle groups.

theres a difference between putting 1-2ml's in your bis, tris, traps once a week and what nasser would do to himself with site injections in his back.

nasser's back (or lack thereof) was 99 percent his genetics anyway. flex, kevin and many others did the same shit to their bodies and they looked fine.

Cedric cant ever show up in shape. He lacks the discipline required.

diet

Regarding the idea that people need to use that volume of gear because its actually underdosed or fake...I strongly disagree. Most of these guys have been juicing non stop, in increasing dosages for 15-20 years. If your first cycle was 500mg's of testosterone when you were 160lbs, 15 years ago, do you really think that 500mg's of testosterone will be enough to incite further growth after 15 years of heavy juicing later now that you weigh 250lbs?? Of course there are diminishing returns...just like anything else. The first time you do a cycle of gear its not uncommon to gain 20-30lbs (much of it being water and glycogen, but still) - you will almost NEVER see those same results again. EVER. Eventually it will take another GRAM of gear to gain another 5lbs of muscle...thats just the way the body works once you push it to these supraphysiological levels.

Would these guys look basically the same on half the doses? No. Whether you have horrible genetics or the best genetics in the world, 700mg's of tren vs 1400mg's of tren is a HUGE difference. Are you going to experience more negative side effects on 5 grams of gear than on 1 gram? Definitely but you will also grow bigger muscles.

I will also say, as a few others have noted, this is a relatively "mild" stack for a high level pro competition. Not much slin, not a ton of GH and a pretty standard amount and variety of anabolics. I've seen some guys who can never get past top 5 in the nats running some INSANE doses and spending shitloads on really random compounds hoping thatll be the key to their growth...I remember one guy who was perpetually banging his head on the wall at nationals spending a rediculous amount to run about 1.5 grams of MENT

many do...i think its somewhat unnecessary...running on zero test while severely dieted down and on tons of other shit makes you just feel 100x worse.

if you are running a fast clearing ester like prop, pp, suspension or base you can safely run it about 7-10 days before show time (much closer if you are using base or suspension) 

injecting this many (or more) cc's a day really sucks. in the beginning, it seems kind of fun and motivating because you know you are "pushing the envelope" and going to see some major changes in your body...fast forward 6-8 weeks later of 2 full barrels every single day and you feel like you live in a prison.

tren ace is usually 75-100mg's per 1ml. 2cc's daily would be 1.4 gram tops.

Below is the AAS and GH protocol for the final 8 weeks of prep from someone who recently competed at the Arnold.

8 weeks out

Monday: 2cc tren ace, 2cc masteron diprop, 2cc winstrol, 1cc test prop, 5iu GH morning, post workout, before bed
Tuesday: 2cc tren ace, 2cc masteron diprop, 2cc winstrol, 1cc test prop, 5iu GH morning, post workout, before bed
Wednesday: 2cc tren ace, 2cc masteron diprop, 2cc winstrol, 1cc test prop, 5iu GH morning, post workout, before bed
Thursday: 2cc tren ace, 2cc masteron diprop, 2cc winstrol, 1cc test prop, 5iu GH morning, post workout, before bed
Friday: 2cc tren ace, 2cc masteron diprop, 2cc winstrol, 1cc test prop, 5iu GH morning, post workout, before bed
Saturday: 2cc tren ace, 2cc masteron diprop, 2cc winstrol, 1cc test prop, 5iu GH morning, post workout, before bed
Sunday: 2cc tren ace, 2cc masteron diprop, 2cc winstrol, 1cc test prop, 5iu GH morning, post workout, before bed

4 weeks out:

Monday: 2cc tren ace, 2cc masteron diprop, 2cc winstrol, 40mg halotestin
Tuesday: 2cc tren ace, 2cc masteron diprop, 2cc winstrol, 40mg halotestin
Wednesday: 2cc tren ace, 2cc masteron diprop, 2cc winstrol, 40mg halotestin
Thursday: 2cc tren ace, 2cc masteron diprop, 2cc winstrol, 40mg halotestin
Friday: 2cc tren ace, 2cc masteron diprop, 2cc winstrol, 40mg halotestin
Saturday: 2cc tren ace, 2cc masteron diprop, 2cc winstrol, 40mg halotestin
Sunday:2cc tren ace, 2cc masteron diprop, 2cc winstrol, 40mg halotestin

1 week out
Monday: 2cc tren ace, 2cc masteron diprop, 2cc winstrol, 40mg halotestin, 200mg anadrol
Tuesday:  2cc tren ace, 2cc masteron diprop, 2cc winstrol, 40mg halotestin, 200mg anadrol
Wednesday:  2cc tren ace, 2cc masteron diprop, 2cc winstrol, 40mg halotestin, 200mg anadrol
Thursday:  2cc tren ace, 2cc masteron diprop, 2cc winstrol, 40mg halotestin, 200mg anadrol
Friday: day of show, minor site injections with injectable anadrol and dbol, carb up with humalog

GH injections dont cause any localized swelling unless you are doing it really, extremely wrong.

dont think you will gain 10lbs of lean muscle (thats a TON) from 5iu's of GH 3 times per week. If your goal is just general health improvement from GH take 3iu's Monday - Friday...

Makes absolutely no difference where you shoot it IM and honestly id probably recommend shooting it sub-q when doing the 3iu's for general health. Heres a story to prove my point about making no difference where you shoot it, I remember hanging out at a guest posing Ben Pakulski was doing a few years ago and he was swearing up and down to site inject each area of your body trained with GH...talking about how it was the key to bringing up lagging body parts...if that was the case, why do his arms still suck?

if you can only do 8iu 3x week post workout, why cant you do 10iu? thats the difference of 24iu's monthly.

anyway, if you really cant afford 10+ iu 3x per week and your goal is mass gains and you are under 30 years old you should probably just spend the money on more gear.

The real issue that most encounter is the quality of the GH they get (or lack thereof) so 30-40iu's/day of chinese GH really most likely is not anywhere near 30-40iu's of actual GH. Honestly, I have seen people get MUCH better results on 6iu's of serostims Monday through Friday (thats only one 126iu kit per month, by the way) than 20iu's of chinese growth hormone.

I know of a few top guys who used 30-40iu's of legit growth hormone and usually the point of diminishing returns seemed to happen around 40. That is not to say the results were not crazy but the negative side effects just became too unbearable, as in it became impossible to get out of bed, eat or train...which defeats the purpose of the whole thing. That is one of the reasons I believe GH blasting to be the best possible way to run growth. You definitely will get some uncomfortable side effects hitting 30iu's monday wednesday and friday but it will become much more bearable than if it was an everyday thing.

A similar parallel to the diminishing return issue is trenbolone.  How come so few guys ever exceed 1.4 - 2grams of tren weekly (and 2 grams is honestly not that common)? 3 grams of tren will definitely give you better results than 1 gram but due to trenbolone's affinity to bind with glucocorticoid receptors, it will tear apart your joints and eventually make just everyday movement impossible.

ask nasser..

that was in bad taste, but he was a douche to everyone and accused everyone else of using too much shit when ironically he died from being 300lbs for too long

Jose actually has damn good genetics and he stayed natural for a lot longer than most.

He pushes some crazy doses nowadays though. The guy is the epitome of the "doesnt give a fuck" bodybuilder that considers a syringe with less than 5cc's in it a waste. a lot of it comes from losing his house and his current financial and relationship situation.

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he never ever learns his lesson.

he goes out of his way to approach young guys at the gym and offers them gear at 150-200/bottle