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1  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Cornbread and Buttermilk on: February 28, 2013, 11:48:30 AM
There it is- the secret.  Consume!

Surprising Diet For Weightlifting Record Setter

Wednesday, February 27, 2013 3:02 pm
Written by: ThePostGame Staff
Next time you need motivation at the gym, think of Ray Williams.
The 6-foot, 361-pound Williams is a junior college football coach from Demopolis, Alabama. Over the weekend at the Alabama State Powerlifting Championship, he broke the U.S. record in the men's raw 275-pounds-plus division by squatting 860 pounds. That's right, 860 pounds.
And it gets better. Williams also put up 905 pounds, but that attempt was disallowed because he took a small jab step during the lift. Williams was pretty disappointed with himself because he wanted to see if he could squat 1,000 pounds.

For those wondering how to build bulk and muscle like Williams, the answer is simple: Cornbread and buttermilk.

"I’ve always been a big dude," Williams told the website 70sbig. "And one thing my grandma brought us up on was cornbread, collard greens, good down-home southern food -- it's always been a staple of my diet."
Making Williams' feat all the more impressive was the fact that this was just his second powerlifting meet.
"I like it," Williams told of powerlifting. "Just the fact that no one can say I'm big for no reason. Now, I can put my bigness to use. Plus I've always been just naturally strong, and I can refine that through powerlifting."
2  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Lose 17 pounds of Fat and gain 22 pounds of Muscle in 12 weeks on: January 10, 2013, 10:05:38 AM

I'm surprised that there is still a market for this and other self-help books. First off, there is already a plethora of them. Secondly, most of them are, for the most part, useless. The majority of them make you feel good by inscribing feel-good messages of confidence, motivation, reassurance, etc.

With the volume that are out there, as well as the reputation most of them have, I'm amazed that people still buy them.

Often I read articles about actors training for roles as fighters or superheroes and I have to read claims like, "with the aid of a nutritionist and spartan training regimine, X put on thirty pounds of muscle in three months."  The gullible public laps it up, not realizing the length of time and effort it takes to add even a single pound of lean muscle mass.  Argggggg.
3  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Lose 17 pounds of Fat and gain 22 pounds of Muscle in 12 weeks on: January 09, 2013, 03:52:06 PM
Wow. All I have to do is eat more eggs and chicken and work out three hours per week.  If only I had known.

Six-Pack Abs in 12 Weeks

By Lisa Collier Cool
Jan 09, 2013

If a  leaner, more chiseled body is one of your New Year’s goals, here’s an amazingly inspiring success story: Joe Warner went from chunky to hunky—including 6-pack abs—in just 12 weeks. Thanks to smarter workouts and a much healthier diet, he’s reportedly gained 22 pounds of muscle—and shed about 17.5 pounds of fat, with nearly all of the loss around the belly.

Making this makeover even more remarkable, the Men’s Fitness deputy editor is an average Joe with a desk job—and works out just four hours a week. “If I can do it, anyone can,” Warner told the Daily Mail. “The regime I followed proves that you don’t need to spend hour after hour exercising to dramatically transform the way you look, even in a relatively short period of time.”

What are his body-building secrets—and would they work for other average guys? Is it really possible to pack on that much muscle in three months? To find out, I talked to Neal Pire, MA, CSCS, FACSM, and founder of PUSH at Volt Fitness in Glen Rock, NJ, who specializes in performance training for athletes.

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His Old Workout

Warner used to be “skinny-fat,” meaning that he had excessive belly fat—and relatively little muscle mass—according to his trainer Nick Mitchell. Also known as “normal weight obesity,” this type of build is linked to increased risk for diabetes, metabolic syndrome, and cardiovascular disease, the leading killer of Americans.

While in his 20s, Warner focused on cardiovascular workouts, mainly running. “No matter how far or how long I ran, I would always have a bit of belly and never any muscles on my chest, shoulders or arms,” he told the Daily Mail. Although the editor wished he looked like the fitness models featured in his magazine, he thought he had the wrong genetics and lacked the time to spend hours pumping iron.

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However, he did spend 4.5 hours a week exercising, well above the 2.5 hours of vigorous exercise (or a higher amount of moderate exercise) per week experts advise to maintain fitness and good health.

His old fitness regimen:
•Monday and Thursday: 60-minute run
•Tuesday and Saturday: 45-minute run
•Wednesday: 60-minute gym workout
•Friday and Sunday: Rest

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His New Workout

After turning 30, Warner decided to strive for the body of his dreams, with a major increase in workout intensity. He switched to resistance training intervals focused on anaerobic workouts—exercise that involves brief, high-intensity activities like lifting weights, pushups, power training, sprinting or jumping.

“One of the biggest benefits of anaerobic exercise is the afterburn,” adds Pire. “Not only do you burn a lot of calories during these intense workouts, but afterwards, your metabolic rate remains high for up to 16 hours so you continue to burn calories at a significantly higher-than-normal rate.”

Warner’s new fitness routine:
•Monday, Wednesday, Friday: 60-minute gym workout at lunchtime
•Saturday morning: 60-minute gym workout
•Tuesday, Thursday, Sunday: Rest

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His Fat-Busting Diet

Before starting his body-building program, Warner used to eat a diet that was high in carbs and processed foods, with a typical day including such items as a croissant, cookies, a baked potato with cheese, coleslaw, potato chips and pasta, vegetables, and tomato sauce.

To slim down, he switched to a lower-carb diet that included lean meat, chicken, fish, fresh vegetables, eggs, and “slow carbs”—fiber-rich carbohydrate-based foods (such as sweet potatoes or whole grains) that are digested much more slowly than refined carbs like white rice and baked goods.

"The diet I followed was simple but effective, so I was never hungry,' he told the Daily Mail. "I could even have a glass of red wine at the weekends, so never felt as though I was sacrificing anything."

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The Amazing Results

Warner’s workout, which he and his trainer detail in a new book—12 Week Body Plan (€9.99 or just over $13 in the U.S.)—had truly awesome results: In just three months, his body-fat percentage fell from nearly 17 percent to just 12.8 percent and he lost 17.5 pounds of fat.

Remarkably, Warner accomplished this by working out fewer hours per week, since his exercise regiment took 4.5 hours a week, while the new one only took four—highlighting the benefits of working both harder and smarter.

Is it possible to lose that much fat in 12 weeks? Yes, says Pire. “Consensus recommendations are typically to target a weekly fat weight loss of 1 to 2 pounds (and no more than 2) per week.”

Would the 12-week body plan work for you?

Even if they’re willing to work out intensely, most men would be very unlikely to gain 22 pounds of muscle in such a short time, adds Pire. “However, Joe had not been a big 'resistance training animal' prior to going on the program, which would make him more susceptible to muscle gain, to the extent that his genes allowed it, compared to someone already doing this type of exercise.”

Pire cautions that anyone who is sedentary, has medical issues, or joint problems should consult a healthcare provider before launching a new exercise program. “Also follow up with an experienced, certified fitness professional to make sure the program is appropriate for your current physical state, skill level, and goals.”

“A healthy young man like Joe, given his exercise history, can expect dramatic results like you see in the photos with this diet-and-workout program, but I have a hard time buying the reported 22-pound muscle gain in just 12 weeks,” adds Pire. “However, he looks great and men who follow this type of plan for 12 weeks would definitely see a huge improvement in their body and muscle mass.”

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4  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: The "OBAMA IS AWESOME" topic (haters not welcome) on: January 04, 2013, 11:43:18 AM
Good point.

An American president should never use the first person pronouns.

The use of them is not the problem.  It is the extensive, repeated narcisssistic focus on them which is the problem.  That's why the NAVY Seals hated the guy for being a blowhard and taking all the credit for the bin Laden killing.
5  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: The "OBAMA IS AWESOME" topic (haters not welcome) on: January 04, 2013, 11:10:23 AM
I love obama ...good guy..not the best president but an amazing personality...

Some good points in this post but this one got my ire.  Have you ever heard how many times in a speech this narcissist says "I" or "Me?"  The same narcissist who gave the Queen of England an IPod as a gift generously loaded with ... want to take a guess? photos from Obama's inauguration and audio of his inauguration address!  He is an awful person only to be outdone by his more awful and vile wife.
6  Getbig Misc Too Board / Getbig Comments Suggestions Complaints Board / Re: Question for Mods on the Politics Board on: January 03, 2013, 10:10:18 AM
don't lie

you would hit

she's the most powerful woman in the world...

that makes her sexy in and of itself

Clearly. and I mean clearly, disgusting inside and outside as well as one of the worst hypocrites to ever walk the earth.
7  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Getting Fructosed Over on: January 02, 2013, 10:22:30 AM
Once again, science tells us what we already know.  Garbrage in.  Garbrage out.

Brain image study: Fructose may spur overeating

Jan. 01, 2013 1:05PM PST

FILE - In this Sept. 15, 2011, file photo, high fructose corn syrup is listed as an ingredient on a can of soda in Philadelphia. Scientists have used imaging tests to show for the first time that fructose, a sugar that saturates the American diet, can trigger brain changes that may lead to overeating. The study, in the Journal of the American Medical Association on Tuesday, Jan. 1, 2013, is a small study and does not prove that fructose or its relative, high-fructose corn syrup, can cause obesity, but experts say it adds evidence they may play a role. (AP Photo/Matt Rourke, File)

This is your brain on sugar — for real. Scientists have used imaging tests to show for the first time that fructose, a sugar that saturates the American diet, can trigger brain changes that may lead to overeating.

After drinking a fructose beverage, the brain doesn't register the feeling of being full as it does when simple glucose is consumed, researchers found.

It's a small study and does not prove that fructose or its relative, high-fructose corn syrup, can cause obesity, but experts say it adds evidence they may play a role. These sugars often are added to processed foods and beverages, and consumption has risen dramatically since the 1970s along with obesity. A third of U.S. children and teens and more than two-thirds of adults are obese or overweight.

All sugars are not equal — even though they contain the same amount of calories — because they are metabolized differently in the body. Table sugar is sucrose, which is half fructose, half glucose. High-fructose corn syrup is 55 percent fructose and 45 percent glucose. Some nutrition experts say this sweetener may pose special risks, but others and the industry reject that claim. And doctors say we eat too much sugar in all forms.

For the study, scientists used magnetic resonance imaging, or MRI, scans to track blood flow in the brain in 20 young, normal-weight people before and after they had drinks containing glucose or fructose in two sessions several weeks apart.

Scans showed that drinking glucose "turns off or suppresses the activity of areas of the brain that are critical for reward and desire for food," said one study leader, Yale University endocrinologist Dr. Robert Sherwin. With fructose, "we don't see those changes," he said. "As a result, the desire to eat continues — it isn't turned off."

What's convincing, said Dr. Jonathan Purnell, an endocrinologist at Oregon Health & Science University, is that the imaging results mirrored how hungry the people said they felt, as well as what earlier studies found in animals.

"It implies that fructose, at least with regards to promoting food intake and weight gain, is a bad actor compared to glucose," said Purnell. He wrote a commentary that appears with the federally funded study in Wednesday's Journal of the American Medical Association.

Researchers now are testing obese people to see if they react the same way to fructose and glucose as the normal-weight people in this study did.

What to do? Cook more at home and limit processed foods containing fructose and high-fructose corn syrup, Purnell suggested. "Try to avoid the sugar-sweetened beverages. It doesn't mean you can't ever have them," but control their size and how often they are consumed, he said.

A second study in the journal suggests that only severe obesity carries a high death risk — and that a few extra pounds might even provide a survival advantage. However, independent experts say the methods are too flawed to make those claims.

The study comes from a federal researcher who drew controversy in 2005 with a report that found thin and normal-weight people had a slightly higher risk of death than those who were overweight. Many experts criticized that work, saying the researcher — Katherine Flegal of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention — painted a misleading picture by including smokers and people with health problems ranging from cancer to heart disease. Those people tend to weigh less and therefore make pudgy people look healthy by comparison.

Flegal's new analysis bolsters her original one, by assessing nearly 100 other studies covering almost 2.9 million people around the world. She again concludes that very obese people had the highest risk of death but that overweight people had a 6 percent lower mortality rate than thinner people. She also concludes that mildly obese people had a death risk similar to that of normal-weight people.

Critics again have focused on her methods. This time, she included people too thin to fit what some consider to be normal weight, which could have taken in people emaciated by cancer or other diseases, as well as smokers with elevated risks of heart disease and cancer.

"Some portion of those thin people are actually sick, and sick people tend to die sooner," said Donald Berry, a biostatistician at the University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston.

The problems created by the study's inclusion of smokers and people with pre-existing illness "cannot be ignored," said Susan Gapstur, vice president of epidemiology for the American Cancer Society.

A third critic, Dr. Walter Willett of the Harvard School of Public Health, was blunter: "This is an even greater pile of rubbish" than the 2005 study, he said. Willett and others have done research since the 2005 study that found higher death risks from being overweight or obese.

Flegal defended her work. She noted that she used standard categories for weight classes. She said statistical adjustments were made for smokers, who were included to give a more real-world sample. She also said study participants were not in hospitals or hospices, making it unlikely that large numbers of sick people skewed the results.

"We still have to learn about obesity, including how best to measure it," Flegal's boss, CDC Director Dr. Thomas Frieden, said in a written statement. "However, it's clear that being obese is not healthy - it increases the risk of diabetes, heart disease, cancer, and many other health problems. Small, sustainable increases in physical activity and improvements in nutrition can lead to significant health improvements."

8  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Oh No. Red Meat Has Killed me. Oh no. on: December 27, 2012, 05:50:27 PM
According to the article, EACH serving causes a 13% increase in death.  I estimate that I had red meat ten times last month so my chances of death are now 130%.  Had I only known this I could have avoided my now sure demise.  I will miss you all...

"Red meat shortens lifespan

We've heard many times before that too much red meat is bad for us, but this study of more than 100,000 people still got the nation's attention. For the first time, researchers estimated the effect of red meat on a person's lifespan—and the news wasn't good.

On average, each additional serving of saturated fat-filled red meat was associated with a 13% higher risk of dying during the 28-year study. Processed meat products such as hot dogs, bacon, and salami were especially hazardous. The antidote? Eating more fish, poultry, whole grains, and low-fat dairy may lower your risk of dying prematurely, the study found."
9  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Broccoli Spinach Soup on: December 18, 2012, 11:45:55 AM

soup nazi

heh heh, Seinfeld never gets old for me
10  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Here We Go Again, Now They're Going After Gatorade on: December 14, 2012, 11:36:47 AM
We're not talking about cyanide or cocaine.  We're talking about a common food additive that has been safely used for decades by millions.
11  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Here We Go Again, Now They're Going After Gatorade on: December 14, 2012, 10:29:57 AM
Its an Americans inaliable right to be poisoned  by timber preservitives and fire retardants. Only poncy noncy foreigners protect their citizens 

We put the information out there and trust our people to make their own decisions on what to drink.  Little Miss Eva Braun was smart enough to find out the information.  Now she doesn't have to drink it.  Pretty simple I'd say.
12  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Here We Go Again, Now They're Going After Gatorade on: December 14, 2012, 10:09:54 AM
Dear Sarah,
It makes you FIREPROOF!!

What 15 year-old doesn't want to be fireproof?
Honestly, why would Pepsi ever take you seriously?

Dear Sarah,
Don't be a binging fat-fukk, and you'll be alright.

I'm Monty. Thanks for watching.
Join me next week when I meticulously dissect the intricate idiocies of Liebeck vs. McDonald's.

YES!!! Fireproofing is essential.  As President of Stark Industries I accomplish my fireproofing through an armor powered by an arc reactor with a palladium core but Gatorade is a reasonable, affordable alternative!
13  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Here We Go Again, Now They're Going After Gatorade on: December 14, 2012, 10:05:35 AM
My suggestion to little Miss Food Nazi Ava Brown is- if you don't want to drink it, don't drink it!
14  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Here We Go Again, Now They're Going After Gatorade on: December 13, 2012, 12:47:52 PM
Food Nazi alert (furture food nazi pictured below)

Drink Ingredient Gets a Look
By STEPHANIE STROM | New York Times – 16 hours agoEmail0Share12PrintNew York Times/James Edward Bates - Sarah Kavanagh, 15, of Hattiesburg, Miss., started an online petition asking PepsiCo to change Gatorade’s formula.
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Sarah Kavanagh and her little brother were looking forward to the bottles of Gatorade they had put in the refrigerator after playing outdoors one hot, humid afternoon last month in Hattiesburg, Miss.

But before she took a sip, Sarah, a dedicated vegetarian, did what she often does and checked the label to make sure no animal products were in the drink. One ingredient, brominated vegetable oil, caught her eye.

“I knew it probably wasn’t from an animal because it had vegetable in the name, but I still wanted to know what it was, so I Googled it,” Ms. Kavanagh said. “A page popped up with a long list of possible side effects, including neurological disorders and altered thyroid hormones. I didn’t expect that.”

She threw the product away and started a petition on, a nonprofit Web site, that has almost 200,000 signatures. Ms. Kavanagh, 15, hopes her campaign will persuade PepsiCo, Gatorade’s maker, to consider changing the drink’s formulation.

Jeff Dahncke, a spokesman for PepsiCo, noted that brominated vegetable oil had been deemed safe for consumption by federal regulators. “As standard practice, we constantly evaluate our formulas and ingredients to ensure they comply with federal regulations and meet the high quality standards our consumers and athletes expect — from functionality to great taste,” he said in an e-mail.

In fact, about 10 percent of drinks sold in the United States contain brominated vegetable oil, including Mountain Dew, also made by PepsiCo; Powerade, Fanta Orange and Fresca from Coca-Cola; and Squirt and Sunkist Peach Soda, made by the Dr Pepper Snapple Group.

The ingredient is added often to citrus drinks to help keep the fruit flavoring evenly distributed; without it, the flavoring would separate.

Use of the substance in the United States has been debated for more than three decades, so Ms. Kavanagh’s campaign most likely is quixotic. But the European Union has long banned the substance from foods, requiring use of other ingredients. Japan recently moved to do the same.

“B.V.O. is banned other places in the world, so these companies already have a replacement for it,” Ms. Kavanagh said. “I don’t see why they don’t just make the switch.” To that, companies say the switch would be too costly.

The renewed debate, which has brought attention to the arcane world of additive regulation, comes as consumers show increasing interest in food ingredients and have new tools to learn about them. Walmart’s app, for instance, allows access to lists of ingredients in foods in its stores.

Brominated vegetable oil contains bromine, the element found in brominated flame retardants, used in things like upholstered furniture and children’s products. Research has found brominate flame retardants building up in the body and breast milk, and animal and some human studies have linked them to neurological impairment, reduced fertility, changes in thyroid hormones and puberty at an earlier age.

Limited studies of the effects of brominated vegetable oil in animals and in humans found buildups of bromine in fatty tissues. Rats that ingested large quantities of the substance in their diets developed heart lesions.

Its use in foods dates to the 1930s, well before Congress amended the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act to add regulation of new food additives to the responsibilities of the Food and Drug Administration. But Congress exempted two groups of additives, those already sanctioned by the F.D.A. or the Department of Agriculture, or those experts deemed “generally recognized as safe.”

The second exemption created what Tom Neltner, director of the Pew Charitable Trusts’ food additives project, a three-year investigation into how food additives are regulated, calls “the loophole that swallowed the law.” A company can create a new additive, publish safety data about it on its Web site and pay a law firm or consulting firm to vet it to establish it as “generally recognized as safe” — without ever notifying the F.D.A., Mr. Neltner said.

About 10,000 chemicals are allowed to be added to foods, about 3,000 of which have never been reviewed for safety by the F.D.A., according to Pew’s research. Of those, about 1,000 never come before the F.D.A. unless someone has a problem with them; they are declared safe by a company and its handpicked advisers.

“I worked on the industrial and consumer products side of things in the past, and if you take a new chemical and put it into, say, a tennis racket, you have to notify the E.P.A. before you put it in,” Mr. Neltner said, referring to the Environmental Protection Agency. “But if you put it into food and can document it as recognized as safe by someone expert, you don’t have to tell the F.D.A.”

Michael R. Taylor, deputy commissioner for food and veterinary medicine at the agency, said: “From our standpoint, we do need to look at whether this regime established by Congress almost 60 years ago gives us the information we need. It would be desirable for F.D.A. to have more information on products being added to food.”

The F.D.A. is aware of the controversy surrounding brominated vegetable oil. It took the ingredient off its list of substances “generally recognized as safe” in 1970, after the Flavor and Extract Manufacturers Association revoked its approval of it. The group’s expert panel is the primary body for evaluating the safety of flavoring substances added to food; if it rules something is “generally recognized as safe,” the F.D.A. goes along.

John Halligan, senior adviser and general counsel to the organization, said that during the late 1960s and early 1970s, the expert panel was reviewing many older additives that had been grandfathered into “generally recognized as safe” status when the federal law was changed.

“They came to B.V.O. and there had been some new studies done which weren’t definitive,” he said. “The panel looked at data and said it doesn’t look like we have an adequate database here to conclude this substance is generally recognized as safe, so they revoked its status.”

Subsequently, Patricia El-Hinnawy, a spokeswoman for the F.D.A, wrote in an e-mail, the agency asked the association to do studies on brominated vegetable oil in mice, rats, dogs and pigs. She said that the organization made “several submissions of safety data” to the F.D.A. while those studies were going on, roughly from 1971 to 1974.

“F.D.A. determined that the totality of evidence supported the safe use of B.V.O. in fruit-flavored beverages up to 15 parts per million,” Ms. El-Hinnawy wrote.

That ruling, made in 1977, was supposed to be interim, pending more studies, but 35 years later it is unchanged. “Any change in the interim status of B.V.O. would require an expenditure of F.D.A.’s limited resources, which is not a public health protection priority for the agency at this time,” Ms. El-Hinnawy wrote.

Meanwhile, no further testing has been done. While most people have limited exposure to brominated vegetable oil, an extensive article about it by Environmental Health News that ran in Scientific American last year found that video gamers and others who binge on sodas and other drinks containing the ingredient experience skin lesions, nerve disorders and memory loss.

Michael F. Jacobson, co-founder and executive director of the Center for Science in the Public Interest, said some studies show that B.V.O. collects in fatty tissues, raising questions about what its effect might be during weight loss. Dr. Jacobson, who looked into the research on brominated vegetable oil after being asked about it by The New York Times, concluded, “The testing of B.V.O. is abysmal.”

He said the longest studies of the ingredient he could find covered only four months, while most food additives are usually tested for two years, making it impossible to establish a safe level of consumption.

15  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Still Want to Risk Soy Protein? Read On. on: December 06, 2012, 02:24:03 PM
First of all, dating on food is a VOLUNTARY system, with the exception of baby formula and some baby foods.  In some states, dairy must be pulled from shelves on the exp. date. even though unopened things are fine at least 7 days beyond that.

Secondly, there are all kinds of 'dates' out there - sell by, best before, best if used by, use by, packed on, guaranteed fresh, etc.  These dates refer to quality and not safety and are determined by the mfr.

A lot of things are perfectly fine beyond the "exp date", even after they've been opened and I wouldn't hesitate buying something unopened with a near exp. date.

Ditto.  However, my nose has veto power once opened!
16  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Obama Legalizes Horse Slaughter for Human Consumption on: December 06, 2012, 09:44:04 AM
Photo: Annual White House Correspondents' dinner.
17  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Obama Legalizes Horse Slaughter for Human Consumption on: December 06, 2012, 09:41:49 AM
Given his history, I would think that he would want to legalize dog!
18  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Still Want to Risk Soy Protein? Read On. on: November 21, 2012, 12:06:58 PM
Estrogenic Plants Linked to Altered Hormones, Possible Behavior Changes in Monkeys

ScienceDaily (Nov. 19, 2012) — Eating certain veggies not only supplies key nutrients, it may also influence hormone levels and behaviors such as aggression and sexual activity, says a new study led by researchers at the University of California, Berkeley, that could shed light on the role of diet in human evolution. The research is the first to observe the connection between plant-based estrogenic compounds, or phytoestrogens, and behavior in wild primates -- in this case, a group of red colobus monkeys in Uganda.
The more the male red colobus monkeys dined on the leaves of Millettia dura, a tropical tree containing estrogen-like compounds, the higher their levels of estradiol and cortisol. They also found that with the altered hormone levels came more acts of aggression and sex, and less time spent grooming -- an important behavior for social bonding in primates.
The study, published in the current issue of the journal Hormones and Behavior, suggests how potentially important consuming phytoestrogens is in primate ecology and evolution.
"It's one of the first studies done in a natural setting providing evidence that plant chemicals can directly affect a wild primate's physiology and behavior by acting on the endocrine system," said study lead author Michael Wasserman, who conducted the research as a graduate student at UC Berkeley's Department of Environmental Science, Policy and Management. "By altering hormone levels and social behaviors important to reproduction and health, plants may have played a large role in the evolution of primate -- including human -- biology in ways that have been underappreciated."
For 11 months, the researchers followed a group of red colobus monkeys in Uganda's Kibale National Park and recorded what the primates ate. For behavioral observations, the researchers focused on aggression, as marked by the number of chases and fights, the frequency of mating and time spent grooming.
To assess changes in hormone levels, the researchers collected fecal samples once a week from each of 10 adult males in the group (a separate study examining phytoestrogens in females is ongoing). More than 407 samples were collected and analyzed for estradiol and cortisol levels.
The researchers found seasonal variation in the consumption of estrogenic plants, which made up 0.7 percent to as much as 32.4 percent of the red colobus diet in any given week. For red colobus adult males, higher consumption of estrogenic plants corresponded to higher levels of estradiol and cortisol, two steroid hormones important to reproduction and the stress response.
Phytoestrogens are also found in human foods, especially soy and soy-based products. Millettia dura, the tropical tree that was most important to red colobus monkey hormone levels and social behaviors, is a close relative of soy.
"With all of the concern today about phytoestrogen intake by humans through soy products, it is very useful to find out more about the exposure to such compounds in living primates and, by analogy, human ancestors," said study co-author Katharine Milton, professor in UC Berkeley's Department of Environmental Science, Policy and Management and an expert on the dietary ecology of primates. "This is particularly true when determining the influence of phytoestrogens on reproductive behavior, which is the whole keystone of natural selection."
The study authors cautioned against overinterpreting the power of phytoestrogens in altering behavior, however. They emphasized that estrogenic plant consumption is just one of multiple factors influencing primate hormone levels and behavior. Notably, the primates' own endogenous hormone levels were the stronger predictor of certain behaviors, while phytoestrogens played a secondary role.
The researchers noted that the tendency for certain behaviors to occur can be affected by complex interactions between endogenous hormones and phytoestrogens, in addition to factors such as the quality and quantity of food, competition for resources and mates and predation.
Nonetheless, previous research in laboratory and agricultural settings found that eating estrogenic plants could disrupt fertility and affect behavior in animals such as rodents, monkeys and sheep. Effects of phytoestrogen consumption in other studies have included more aggression, less body contact, more isolation, higher anxiety and impaired reproduction.
The UC Berkeley-led research is the first to observe the connection between estrogenic plant consumption and behavior in a wild primate.
To expand on this possibility, Wasserman and his colleagues are now examining the relationship between phytoestrogens and other primate species, including our closest-living relative, the chimpanzee, to determine how common estrogenic plants are in the diets of wild primates.
"Human ancestors took most of their diet from wild tropical plants, and our biology has changed little since this time, so similar relationships as those found here are expected to have occurred over our evolutionary history," said Wasserman, now a post-doctoral scholar at McGill University's Department of Anthropology in Montreal, Canada.
However, the researchers noted that the red colobus diet contains a high percentage of leaves, while the diet of chimpanzees, other apes and human ancestors consists primarily of fruits. Thus, one of Wasserman's current goals is to compare the presence of phytoestrogens in wild leaves and fruits.
"If phytoestrogens make up a significant proportion of a fruit-eating primate's diet, and that consumption has similar physiological and behavioral effects as those observed in the red colobus, then estrogenic plants likely played an important role in human evolution," said Wasserman. "After studying the effects of phytoestrogens in apes and fruit-eating primates, we can then get a better sense of how these estrogenic compounds may influence human health and behavior."
Other co-authors of the study are Colin Chapman and Jan Gogarten from McGill University, and Daniel Wittwer and Toni Ziegler from the Wisconsin National Primate Research Center at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.
The National Science Foundation and the International Primatological Society helped support this research.

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19  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Red Panax Ginseng on: November 19, 2012, 01:37:36 AM

chinese medicine is all horseshit to me...

eating dried goat penis will not make you better in the sack...

never tried it but am sure of this fact

Ahhh hahah hahah... Wooo you are fucking hilarious dude, one of my favorite GetBiggers!
20  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Red Panax Ginseng on: November 16, 2012, 10:14:09 AM
This is a summary from Wikipedia re research on ginseng, I've copied the annotations.  Sounds like there is some potential benefit but that studies are ongoing:

"Ginsenosides, unique compounds of the Panax species, are under basic and clinical research to reveal their potential properties in humans.[6] Possibly an adaptogen,[7] ginseng remains under preliminary research for its potential properties or therapeutic effects, such as for respiratory illnesses,[8] quality of life,[9] influenza[8] or fatigue in cancer patients.[10] P. ginseng may affect cancer in animal models but this effect remains unclear.[11] One study in laboratory animals showed possible effects of ginseng or its ginsenoside components on the central nervous system and gonadal tissues[12][13] and another on penile erection.[14]
Ginseng is known to contain phytoestrogens[15][16][17] and may affect the pituitary gland to increase the secretion of gonadotropins.[citation needed] Other mice studies found effects on sperm production and the estrous cycle.[3]

3.^ a b c d e Chinese Medical Herbology and Pharmacology, by John K. Chen, Tina T. Chen
6.^ Qi LW, Wang CZ, Yuan CS (2011). "Ginsenosides from American ginseng: chemical and pharmacological diversity". Phytochemistry 72 (Cool: 689-99. doi:10.1016/j.phytochem.2011.02.012. PMID 21396670.
 7.^ Davydov M, Krikorian AD. (October 2000). "Eleutherococcus senticosus (Rupr. & Maxim.) Maxim. (Araliaceae) as an adaptogen: a closer look". Journal of Ethnopharmacology 72 (3): 345–393. doi:10.1016/S0378-8741(00)00181-1. PMID 10996277.
 8.^ a b McElhaney JE et al. (2004). "A placebo-controlled trial of a proprietary extract of North American Ginseng (CVT-E002) to prevent acute respiratory illness in institutionalized older adults". J Am Geriatr Soc 52 (1): 13–19. doi:10.1111/j.1532-5415.2004.52004.x. PMID 14687309.
 9.^ Caso Marasco A, Vargas Ruiz R, Salas Villagomez A, Begona Infante C. (1996). "Double-blind study of a multivitamin complex supplemented with ginseng extract". Drugs Exp Clin Res. 22 (6): 323–329.
 10.^ Barton, DL; Soori, GS; Bauer, BA; Sloan, JA; Johnson, PA; Figueras, C; Duane, S; Mattar, B et al. (2010). "Pilot study of Panax quinquefolius (American ginseng) to improve cancer-related fatigue: a randomized, double-blind, dose-finding evaluation: NCCTG trial N03CA.". Supportive care in cancer : official journal of the Multinational Association of Supportive Care in Cancer 18 (2): 179–87. doi:10.1007/s00520-009-0642-2. PMID 19415341
 11.^ Shin HR, Kim JY, Yun TK, Morgan G, Vainio H (2000). "The cancer-preventive potential of Panax ginseng: a review of human and experimental evidence". Cancer Causes Control 11 (6): 565–576. doi:10.1023/A:. PMID 10880039.
 12.^ Hong B; Ji YH; Hong JH; Nam KY; Ahn TY A double-blind crossover study evaluating the efficacy of korean red ginseng in patients with erectile dysfunction: a preliminary report. J Urol. 2002; 168(5):2070-3 (ISSN: )Department of Urology, University of Ulsan College of Medicine, Asan Medical Center, Seoul, Korea
 13.^ Murphy and Lee Ginseng, sex behavior, and nitric oxide, Ann N Y Acad Sci. 2002 May;962:372-7 PMID
 14.^ de Andrade E; de Mesquita AA; Claro Jde A; de Andrade PM; Ortiz V; Paranhos M; Srougi M Study of the efficacy of Korean Red Ginseng in the treatment of erectile dysfunction. Sector of Sexual Medicine, Division of Urological Clinic of São Paulo University, São Paulo, Brazil.
 15.^ Lee, YJ; Jin, YR; Lim, WC; Park, WK; Cho, JY; Jang, S; Lee, SK (2003). "Ginsenoside-Rb1 acts as a weak phytoestrogen in MCF-7 human breast cancer cells". Archives of pharmacal research 26 (1): 58–63. doi:10.1007/BF03179933. PMID 12568360.
 16.^ "Estrogen-like activity of ginsenoside Rg1 derived from Panax notoginseng". The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism 87 (Cool: 3691–5. 2002. doi:10.1210/jc.87.8.3691. PMID 12161497.
 17.^ "A ginsenoside-Rh1, a component of ginseng saponin, activates estrogen receptor in human breast carcinoma MCF-7 cells". The Journal of Steroid Biochemistry and Molecular Biology 84 (4): 463–8. 2003. doi:10.1016/S0960-0760(03)00067-0. PMID 12732291.
21  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Red Panax Ginseng on: November 16, 2012, 10:08:26 AM
Well it's 5 bucks for 36 in Chinatown, so I'll take the hit for now.
22  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Let the Witch Hunt Begin- RE 5 Hour Energy Drinks on: November 16, 2012, 10:07:45 AM
@Monte maybe we can use Michelle as a test case for whether massive amounts of 5 hr energy may produce adverse reactions! 

@ Wooo, "American't" is sadly, untorfunately, effing brilliant.

@ Princess L, I think it might have been the taurine that caused the "spontaneous abortion" in the article!
23  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Let the Witch Hunt Begin- RE 5 Hour Energy Drinks on: November 15, 2012, 11:12:40 AM
Here we go again... ahhh this really "grinds my gears"- 13 deaths supposedly implicating a product regularly consumed by millions.  Let me say it again for the numbskulls out there- healthy people have no risk from even high dosages of caffeine.  So shove your Big Brother loving lawsuit filing no good "47 percenter" bullshit where it belongs!

Caffeinated Drink Cited in Reports of 13 Deaths
Published: November 14, 2012 New York Times

Federal officials have received reports of 13 deaths over the last four years that cited the possible involvement of 5-Hour Energy, a highly caffeinated energy shot, according to Food and Drug Administration records and an interview with an agency official.

The disclosure of the reports is the second time in recent weeks that F.D.A. filings citing energy drinks and deaths have emerged. Last month, the agency acknowledged it had received five fatality filings mentioning another popular energy drink, Monster Energy.

Since 2009, 5-Hour Energy has been mentioned in some 90 filings with the F.D.A., including more than 30 that involved serious or life-threatening injuries like heart attacks, convulsions and, in one case, a spontaneous abortion, a summary of F.D.A. records reviewed by The New York Times showed.

The filing of an incident report with the F.D.A. does not mean that a product was responsible for a death or an injury or contributed in any way to it. Such reports can be fragmentary in nature and difficult to investigate.

The distributor of 5-Hour Energy, Living Essentials of Farmington Hills, Mich., did not respond to written questions about the filings, and its top executive declined to be interviewed. Living Essentials is a unit of the product’s producer, Innovation Ventures.

However, in a statement, Living Essentials said the product was safe when used as directed and that it was “unaware of any deaths proven to be caused by the consumption of 5-Hour Energy.”

Since the public disclosure of reports about Monster Energy, its producer, Monster Beverage of Corona, Calif., has repeatedly said that its products are safe, adding that they were not the cause of any of the health problems reported to the F.D.A.

Shares of Monster Beverage, which traded above $80 earlier this year, closed Wednesday at $44.74.

The fast-growing energy drink industry is facing increasing scrutiny over issues like labeling disclosures and possible health risks. Some lawmakers are calling on the F.D.A. to increase its regulation of the products and the New York State attorney general is investigating the practices of several producers.

Unlike Red Bull, Monster Energy and some other energy drinks that look like beverages, 5-Hour Energy is sold in a two-ounce bottle referred to as a shot. The company does not disclose the amount of caffeine in each bottle, but a recent article published by Consumer Reports placed that level at about 215 milligrams.

An eight-ounce cup of coffee, depending on how it is made, can contain from 100 to 150 milligrams of caffeine.

The F.D.A. has stated that it does not have sufficient scientific evidence to justify changing how it regulates caffeine or other ingredients in energy products. The issue of how to do so is complicated by the fact that some high-caffeine drinks, like Red Bull, are sold under agency rules governing beverages, while others, like 5-Hour Energy and Monster Energy, are marketed as dietary supplements. The categories have differing ingredient rules and reporting requirements.

In an interview Wednesday, Daniel Fabricant, the director of the agency’s division of dietary supplement programs, said the agency was looking into the death reports that cited 5-Hour Energy. He said that while medical information in such reports could rule out a link with the product, other reports could contain insufficient information to determine what role, if any, a supplement might have played.

Mr. Fabricant said that the 13 fatality reports that mentioned 5-Hour Energy had all been submitted to the F.D.A. by Living Essentials. Since late 2008, producers of dietary supplements are required to notify the F.D.A. when they become aware of a death or serious injury that may be related to their product.

Currently, the agency does not publicly disclose adverse event filings about dietary supplements like 5-Hour Energy. Companies that market energy drinks as beverages are not required to make such reports to the agency, although they can do so voluntarily, Mr. Fabricant said.

Along with caffeine, 5-Hour Energy contains other ingredients, like very high levels of certain B vitamins and a substance called taurine.

Reached by telephone, the chief executive of the Living Essentials, Manoj Bhargava, declined to discuss the filings and said he believed an article about the reports would cast the company in a negative light.

“I am not interested in making any comment,” Mr. Bhargava said.

Subsequently, the company issued a statement that said, among other things, that it took “reports of any potential adverse event tied to our products very seriously,” adding that the company complied “with all of our reporting requirements” to the F.D.A.

The company also stated that it marketed 5-Hour Energy to “hardworking adults who need an extra boost of energy.” The product’s label recommends that it not be used by woman who are pregnant or by children under 12 years of age.

The number of reports filed with the F.D.A. that mention 5-Hour Energy appears particularly striking. In 2010, for example, the F.D.A. received a total of 17 fatality reports that mentioned a dietary supplement or a weight loss product, two broad categories that cover more than 50,000 products, according to Mr. Fabricant, the F.D.A. official.

He added that it was difficult to put the volume of 5-Hour Energy filings into context because he believed that some supplement manufacturers were probably not following the mandated reporting rules and that consumers and doctors might also be unaware that they can file incident reports with the agency. Last year, the F.D.A. received only 2,000 reports about fatalities or serious injuries that cited dietary supplements and weight loss products, he said.

Another federal agency, the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, reported late last year that more than 13,000 emergency room visits in 2009 were associated with energy drinks alone.

Along with Living Essentials, The Times sent queries last week to several producers asking whether they had received reports linking fatalities or serious injuries to their products.

Representatives for two of those companies — Red Bull and Coca-Cola, which sells NOS and Full Throttle — said they were unaware of any such reports. A representative for PepsiCo, which makes Amp, also said it was unaware of any such reports.

In addition to Red Bull, NOS, Full Throttle and Amp are also marketed as beverages, rather than as dietary supplements.
24  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Red Panax Ginseng on: November 15, 2012, 11:06:55 AM
Not for long.  I will give it about a month of a trial run and then report back.
25  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Nutrition, Products & Supplements / Re: Broccoli Spinach Soup on: November 14, 2012, 01:28:08 PM
Brocolli and spinach are some powerfully good ingredients.  Can't go wrong there.
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