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1  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: Eternal Security according to the Bible on: October 11, 2011, 12:08:25 PM
Yes, use biblegateway alot...just used it this morn.

I'm contemplating learning the original languages, so that I don't have to rely on translations. I get tired of having to research the transliterated text to see if indeed the word or phrase being used, means what it meant in the original language. You have to be careful with all the different translated bibles, as some translators are slanted in their view already, thereby rendering certain scripture to mean what fits their belief.

As of now, I have to rely on books, scholars, etc. to clear those issues up, which is very time consuming. I feel like it hampers me from time that  could have been spent in a better fashion.
2  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: question for christians, AGAIN... on: October 11, 2011, 11:52:57 AM
So when you say people will have a second chance are you mainly talking about people that are alive in their earthly bodies in the millenium and not those that have lived and died already?

No, the ones who survive the millennium (which will be all people who made it thru the battle of Armageddon) will be tested one last time by the devil, as evidenced by your scripture you quoted at the bottom in Rev. The bible says that there will be tons of those people who will turn away from God, and go back to being deceived by satan and his demons. At that point, God will destroy them and the devil with the demons. The show is over at this point. The ones who are not deceived will continue to serve God and be spared this everlasting destruction.


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Your Acts 24:15 reference shows that there will indeed be a resurrection..of both the wicked and the dead, but other passages show that these will be judged in different judgments as far as I can tell.

Yes, I agree with you on this. During the 1,000 yr reign of Christ, the resurrection will occur. Those wicked ones who were resurrected will essentially be judged during this time, because they didn't show interest in Jesus before the battle of Armageddon. The righteous ones in that scripture, had already proved their loyalty to God before they died, hence, why they won't be considered to be judged during that time frame (1,000 yrs).

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In your passage, Paul is pleading his case in front of Felix explaining that he was not guilty of the things the crowd was accusing him of, and in fact was a former Pharisee who believed everything written in accordance w/the Law and the prophets and also believed in the resurrection of the dead. ...just as they did...and so wouldn't be engaged in the things he was being accused of by the crowd.

I don't see anywhere in that area of scripture where he indicates that people will have a second chance to accept Christ as Savior after they die?

The second chance I'm referring too, is pertaining to the ones now. In other words, people who have died before Armageddon, whom didn't accept Jesus due to ignorance. However, after the 1,000 yr reign, and the release of satan and his demons to deceive the people whom have lived thru the millennium, there will be no second chance at this point. The bible says they will be destroyed with satan and his demons at that time for good.

This is the wickeds' second chance (living thru the millennium after they are resurrected). But the bible makes it clear that even then, there will be tons of people, that will allow the devil to deceive them, even tho, they know without a doubt God exist and what he expects of them.




3  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: Eternal Security according to the Bible on: October 10, 2011, 03:13:49 AM
probound, may I ask what is the denomination of your church?  If you'd rather PM me that is fine.

Also, may I ask what type of bible version you normally use and if it is a study bible?  For instance NIV Ryrie Study Bible or Zondervan Life App. Study Bible or whatever.

No church. Independent/group study with friends and interested ones. I use whatever bible sticks to the orginial languages (Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek). Go to bible gateway dot com. They have a variety of versions. Also, there are other sites as well that u can use too.
4  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: question for christians, AGAIN... on: October 10, 2011, 03:11:16 AM
I'm curious as to your belief on this, what exactly do you base this premise on, the giving of a second chance?

Acts 24:15 - "And I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked."


After the battle of Amageddon, Christ will rule for the 1000 years. People will know who he is without a doubt unlike now. After the 1000 years rule by Christ, satan will be loosed from the 'pit' and will be given a chance to mislead people again. The bible says there will be tons of folks, whom, even knowing who Jesus is, without doubt, will still choose to go with the devil and his demons. Then Jesus will execute those people for good along with satan and his demons.
5  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: Eternal Security according to the Bible on: September 12, 2011, 09:57:05 AM
But your Corinthians verses are not referring to salvation.  They are referring to self-discipline, behavior and rewards.  

Correct, however, wouldn't self-discipline be required in achieving salvation? this is what Paul was pointing out. The rewards are everlasting life. Paul was also making the point that, salvation is like running a race, you have to finish the race first, before you can win the reward of salvation.

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As for the Hebrews verses, some would say those people were actually not saved to begin with...that they knew the truth/gospel, but did not "accept" it by faith.

But let's say they were saved.  Your verse still does not indicate that it is possible to lose salvation imo.  

Please look back starting at Heb 10:11 and read through to v. 31.  If you concentrate on verses 17 and 18 it points out that there is no point/need for further sacrifice if a person is saved/utterly forgiven.  


17 Then he adds:

   “Their sins and lawless acts
   I will remember no more.”

 18 And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.


Now, to go to Heb 10:26, it says the same thing.  Even if he person keeps on sinning intentionally, there is no further sacrifice that can save as it has already been done.  But the subsequent verses show that there are consequences for our sin, even if we are saved.

God's forgiveness is not prompted by sentimentality. As u pointed out, He does punish for sins.

Ps 99:8

"LORD our God, you answered them; you were to Israel a forgiving God, though you punished their misdeeds."

Joshua warned Israel that God would not forgive apostasy on their part. Look at:

Jos 24:19, 20

(19)" Joshua said to the people, 'You are not able to serve the LORD. He is a holy God; he is a jealous God. He will not forgive your rebellion and your sins. (20) If you forsake the LORD and serve foreign gods, he will turn and bring disaster on you and make an end of you, after he has been good to you.'"
 
God has a required way for seeking and receiving his forgiveness. A person must acknowledge his sin, recognize that it is an offense against God, confess it unqualifiedly, have a deep heartfelt sorrow for the wrong done, and have a determination to turn from such a course or practice. Look at:

Ps 32:5; 51:4; 1Jo 1:8, 9; 2Co 7:8-11

(5) "May they be like chaff before the wind, with the angel of the LORD driving them away; [51:(4) Against you, you only, have I sinned and done what is evil in your sight; so you are right in your verdict and justified when you judge."

(8.) "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. (9) If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."  

(8.) "Even if I caused you sorrow by my letter, I do not regret it. Though I did regret it—I see that my letter hurt you, but only for a little while— (9) yet now I am happy, not because you were made sorry, but because your sorrow led you to repentance. For you became sorrowful as God intended and so were not harmed in any way by us. (10) Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death. (11) See what this godly sorrow has produced in you: what earnestness, what eagerness to clear yourselves, what indignation, what alarm, what longing, what concern, what readiness to see justice done. At every point you have proved yourselves to be innocent in this matter."

A person  must do what he can to right the wrong or damage done.  Then he must pray to God, asking for forgiveness on the basis of Christ’s ransom sacrifice.

Mt 5:23, 24; Eph 1:7

(23) "Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you, (24) leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to them; then come and offer your gift."

(7) "In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace."


Again, a person has to be sincerely repentant in order for them to exercise the ransom sacrifice that Jesus provided. If we are "once saved, always saved" then there would be no need in asking for forgiveness anymore, it would automatically be forgiven when you continued to sin.

Hebrews make this clear at Hebrews chapter 10:26-27. If we keep sinning after we know the truth, then God won't forgive that behavior anymore. This means tho, the person had to know the truth first, right? Also, look at what the scriptures say about shrinking back. Before one can shrink back, they had to be in God's favor first.

Hebrews 10:25-27, 36-39

(26) "If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, (27) but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. (36) You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised. (37) For, 'In just a little while, he who is coming will come and will not delay.' (38) And, 'But my righteous one will live by faith. And I take no pleasure in the one who shrinks back.' (39) But we do not belong to those who shrink back and are destroyed, but to those who have faith and are saved."

See how Hebrews 10:35-39 is indicating one can "shrink back". Back from what? Being in God's favor. No one is saved until they finish the race. Until then, we can't give up or "shrink back", by denounces our faith. Like Paul said, "the one who endures to the end, will be the one saved".

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probound, do you believe that

"we are saved by Grace through faith and not of works ....?" (Eph 2:8,9)

Absolutely, however, there are stipulations that go along with that notion. Take a look at:

Hebrews 3:14

"For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end."

Matt. 10:22; 24:12, 13; Mark 13:13; James 2:17, 26; Luke 9:23

(22) You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. [24:(12)] Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, (13) but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved."

(13) "Everyone will hate you because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved."

(17) "In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. (26) As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead."  

(23) "Then he said to them all: 'Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me'".

So, it takes more than just believing in what that Scripture quoted says. There has to be "deeds" to go along with it. Even the demons and devil believe that Christ exist. They even know a person has to except Christ as their savior thru faith too. However, this is not going to get them everlasting life. right?Then he said to them all: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me.




6  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: Questions in Times of Great Disaster on: September 12, 2011, 08:15:24 AM
 

Not sure if I understand.....are you (or is that author) saying that Satan is causing the natural disasters? 



Well, I'm saying that the devil can cause them. The bible confirms this. Also, chance is repsonsible, or just the normal course of nature. The author is showing us that nature is basically the culprit.

My personal opinion on it, is that satan and nature are responsible.
7  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: question for christians, AGAIN... on: August 27, 2011, 07:52:04 PM
The resurrection of the wicked does not insinuate they will rise to eternal life with God, all still must be judged.

Daniel 12:2
"And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."


Yes, this is correct. However, the reason I pointed this out was due to the OP. Most professed christian organizations preach the idea that as of now, if one doesn't believe in Jesus  they will go to hell. This isn't true.

However, like you pointed out, when this resurrection happens those people who come back that didn't believe will be given a second chance to do so. If they choose to not accept him then, that's when they will be destroyed forever.
8  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: question for christians, AGAIN... on: August 22, 2011, 10:27:20 PM
Act 24:15

"And I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked."
9  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: There's Only One Bible on: July 29, 2011, 07:19:52 AM
For the bible, the one that sticks to the original translated language(s). For the religion that is the true one, it will be the one that sticks to the teachings of the original translated language(s). Jesus said you would know his people by the fruits they produced.

Terror around the world ? Huh

Good point! Now which ones don't do this?

Ones that dont follow religions  Huh

They profess christian origin.


But distance themselves far from it.


Sorta. Staying separate from the world was the key. Why? First-century christians were able to keep clear of the bloody wars and politics of their time. Remember when Jesus said:?


Matthew 26:52:

"Return your sword to its place, for all those who take the sword will perish by the sword."

John 18:36:

"My kingdom is no part of this world. If my kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be delivered up to the Jews. But, as it is, my kingdom is not from this source."



When we take a look at how the first-century christians applied those principles, it becomes somewhat advantages for the reader in ascertaining the insight needed for further review of the Holy Scriptures' outlook on other matters of past, present, future events. For instances, they kept themselves completely separate from the world, by maintaining strict neutrality when it came to political and military affairs. Look at:


John 15:17-19; 17:14-16:

[15]: (17) "This is my command: Love each other. (18) If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. (19) If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.  

[17]: (14) I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world. (15) My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one. (16) They are not of the world, even as I am not of it."



Also if we take note of the first-century christians rejection to fight against each other, as well as complete strangers, this would give us a gauge in helping identify the folks whom are engaging in same activity. It is clear from history that first-century christians joined neither the Jewish nationalist movements nor the imperial armies of Rome. At the same time, they did not try to tell the political leaders what to do, as that was the responsibility of those governmental leaders. Look at:


Galatians 6:5:

"For each one should carry their own load."



Interestingly, Tertullian, the historian, referenced Jesus sentiments in regards to this subject by asking: "Shall it be held lawful to make an occupation of the sword, when the Lord [Jesus] proclaims that he who uses the sword shall perish by the sword?".

So then, this is one of the fruits Jesus was speaking about in order for a person to make an educated opinion on the matter.






10  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: There's Only One Bible on: July 28, 2011, 09:49:58 PM
Ones that dont follow religions  Huh


They profess christian origin.
11  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: There's Only One Bible on: July 28, 2011, 09:26:18 PM
Terror around the world ? Huh


Good point! Now which ones don't do this?
12  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA on: July 28, 2011, 09:24:54 PM
I've read that during the era of Jesus, there were around 20 or so notable Jewish historians of his time, none mention his name.This was a person that drew crowds of thousands and stirred great controversy with authoritative people. All the sermons, the miracles performed, the trail, the crucifixion - nothing was ever mentioned of this or of Jesus.


What do you make of the calendar using Jesus as a source?
13  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: There's Only One Bible on: July 28, 2011, 09:00:07 PM
There are many religions and many bibles all claiming the one they follow is the only way. So which one do we pick?


For the bible, the one that sticks to the original translated language(s). For the religion that is the true one, it will be the one that sticks to the teachings of the original translated language(s). Jesus said you would know his people by the fruits they produced.
14  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: Questions in Times of Great Disaster on: July 20, 2011, 08:13:44 PM

A post of mine from another thread....thx!


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Man of Steel on July 08, 2011, 07:59:55 AM

For me, the hardest aspects of "evil" pertain to natural disasters and the divine purpose(s) for them.  People's ability to choose good or evil is not in question for me....maybe the article will give more perspective on that.  Again, it's the necessity for calamity, destruction outside the scope of free will that leaves many flat.  I've read some great perspectives, but the simplist explanation for me resides in the timelessness of God, the brevity of human life in comparison to eternity and the idea that natural disasters ("evil") often bring out the best in others ("good").  The potential for goodness is often more clearly evident through the shroud of evil, the brightest light is most distinguishable in the depths of darkness, genuine love is often found as a result of the greatest evil.  I also look at the timelessness of God and realize that his perspective is infinite while our is finite.  God can perceive past, present and future in one state eliminating the element of time while we can only review the past, live in the present and imagine the future.  In the face of natural disasters we only see the present calamity, but what about the unity of people, the colloboration of neighbors, the union of community and other aspects of goodness we can't see but that do arise out of natural "evil" that God has clearly scoped out.  Will this notion comfort those left behind that have lost loved ones in the face of natural disaster?  Unfortunately for some it won't, but for other that know the love of God it does.   I also consider the brevity of human life....the fact that death as perceived by us is simply not the same perception as defined by God.  For unbelievers death is the end, but for believers  human lives are a vapor, a blink of eye in comparison to eternity.  If a man took a single grain of sand from one side of the world to the other every 100,000 years and repeated this process until every grain of sand was transported eternity would have only just begun.   Our lives are merely a preparation for what is to come (if you belief).  If you don't belief then the natural disasters and other evils of the world appear illogical if the existance of an all-powerful, all-loving, all-knowing God is real.  Why can't he simply snuff them out?  He doesn't snuff them out because he can't....those types of ideas.  I have experienced the love of God, I have experienced firsthand the miracles in my own life.  I'm covered by the Holy Spirit everyday and have not a single reservation about God's existance or love.  Sure I wish I had all the answers and could comprehend the full scope of God's plan, but I can't.  We all make some grand assumptions and try and eliminate or put God in a box and there are some brilliant minds out there that can blend together words and erase the need for God.  For me the greatest answers lie in the personal relationship I have with Christ.  The aspect that unbelievers miss is the genuine, open-hearted, humble pursuit of a relationship with God.  He knows the contents of our hearts and will respond accordingly.  I dare nonbelievers to pursue a genuine relationship with God and see if he doesn't respond.  That's all I want for others.....to know the love of God.
 



Wow! Heartfelt post friend! Enjoyed the read.


In regard to the highlighted, whats your thought on this view. In the book Natural Disasters—Acts of God or Acts of Man? it had this to say: "There is no evidence that the climatological mechanisms associated with droughts, floods and cyclones are changing. And no geologist is claiming that the earth movements associated with earthquakes, volcanoes and tsunami (earthquake waves) are becoming more violent." Also, the book Earthshock eluded to the same observation by saying: "The rocks of every continent contain a record of innumerable major and minor geological events, every one of which would be a catastrophic disaster to mankind if they occurred today—and it is scientifically certain that such events will occur again and again in the future." In other words, the earth and its dynamic forces have more or less remained the same throughout the ages.

Of course there does have to be reason for the seemly increase in these natural disasters, eh? My personal opinion is that mankind ourselves are guilty of this. Look at what Ecclesiastes has to say:

Ecclesiastes 8:9

"I observed all of this as I paid attention to all that happens under the sun. Sometimes people exercise power over each other to their detriment."


Also note what Jesus said to some of his disciples when he was teaching them about how a person's heart condition is what is important to God:


Luke 13:1-5

"(1) Some who were present on that occasion told Jesus about the Galileans whom Pilate had killed while they were offering sacrifices. (2) He replied, 'Do you think the suffering of these Galileans proves that they were more sinful than all the other Galileans? (3) No, I tell you, but unless you change your hearts and lives, you will die just as they did. (4) What about those twelve people who were killed when the tower of Siloam fell on them? Do you think that they were more guilty of wrongdoing than everyone else who lives in Jerusalem? (5) No, I tell you, but unless you change your hearts and lives, you will die just as they did'".


Take a look at the scripture I quoted earlier in this thread:


Ecclesiastes 9:11,12

"I also observed under the sun that the race doesn't always go to the swift, nor the battle to the mighty, nor food to the wise, nor wealth to the intelligent, nor favor to the knowledgeable, because accidents can happen to anyone. People most definitely don't know when their time will come. Like fish tragically caught in a net or like birds trapped in a snare, so are human beings caught in a time of tragedy that suddenly falls to them."


Not to leave out the true cluprit of most of mankinds sufferings:

2 Corinthians 4:4

"The devil who rules this world has blinded the minds of those who do not believe. They cannot see the light of the Good News—the Good News about the glory of Christ, who is exactly like God."

2 Corinthians 11:14,15

"(14) This does not surprise us. Even Satan changes himself to look like an angel of light. (15) So it does not surprise us if Satan's servants also make themselves look like servants who work for what is right".

1 John 5:18,19

"(18) We know that those who are God's children do not continue to sin. The Son of God keeps them safe, and the Evil One cannot touch them. (19) We know that we belong to God, but the Evil One controls the whole world."


Notice who is in control of the whole world? Again, whats your thoughts on this, MOS?

15  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: Is this True - For the God botherers! on: July 20, 2011, 04:43:25 PM

only there so blinded by there "faith" they cant see it...my heart wishes these fairy tales of everlasting life were true...but fortunately I have a brain capable of reasonable thought that hasn't been indoctrinated into believing such fables...


Out of curiosity, how can you put so much "faith" in your brain, when it's been proven scientifically that we don't even come close to using it's full capacity? Do you think it's possible that you may have missed something?
16  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: Jesus healed the blind man............ on: July 20, 2011, 04:31:59 PM

Religion causes mental illness'. Ive been trying to unbrainwash/unpoision my mind from being on medications. Worldly Religion has been extremely corrupted,twisted,perverted by man.



Without doubt! The bible even warns/warned about this very dilemma! So, who/what is teaching what the bible teaches?


Oops! Forgot to post some of the scripts for this comment.


Matthew 7:15-17

"(15) “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. (16) By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? (17) Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit."


1 John 4:20

"Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen."


2 Corinthians 11:13-15

"(13) For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. (14) And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. (15) It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve."


2 Corinthians 4:4

"Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God."




 
17  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: " For the love of money is the root of all evil"........... on: July 19, 2011, 07:44:06 PM
yet.............The vatican has 5 billion dollars??? The land itself that the vatican sits on is worth 1.5 billion......TOTAL it has 5 billion-Contradiction. I didnt know it costs that much money too simply believe in " a higher power". What are they trying to do?? BUY thier way into heaven??? When jesus was alive and walking this earth....did he walk around with his hand held out saying " give me money???" NO.

Again....." For the love of money is the root of all evil " yet..........on every bill it says " In GOD we trust" Huh?? Another Contradiction.

Catholicism/christianity have been extremely corrupted/twisted by man. All about power/money/control. " He who has the gold....makes the rules".

My religion- Coexist in peace/give others a helping hand when needed. Overall people need to take care of themselves. I have mental illness' and i " wipe my own ass"/take care of my self.


This reminds me of a couple bible examples of when God's people fell victim to this very dilemma!



Joshua 7:11,21

(11) Israel hath sinned; yea, they have even transgressed my covenant which I commanded them: yea, they have even taken of the devoted thing, and have also stolen, and dissembled also; and they have even put it among their own stuff. (21) when I saw among the spoil a goodly Babylonish mantle, and two hundred shekels of silver, and a wedge of gold of fifty shekels weight, then I coveted them, and took them; and, behold, they are hid in the earth in the midst of my tent, and the silver under it."
(ASV)


2 Kings 5:20, 25-27

"(20) Gehazi, the servant of Elisha the man of God, said to himself, 'My master was too easy on Naaman, this Aramean, by not accepting from him what he brought. As surely as the LORD lives, I will run after him and get something from him.' (25) Then he went in and stood before his master Elisha. 'Where have you been, Gehazi'? Elisha asked. 'Your servant didn't go anywhere,' Gehazi answered. (26) But Elisha said to him, 'Was not my spirit with you when the man got down from his chariot to meet you? Is this the time to take money, or to accept clothes, olive groves, vineyards, flocks, herds, or menservants and  maidservants? (27) Naaman’s leprosy will cling to you and to your descendants forever.' Then Gehazi went from Elisha’s presence and he was leprous, as white as snow."
(NIV)



Didn't work to well for some of the Israelites or Gehazi.




I like what Paul exhorted to Timothy at:


1 Timothy 6:6;9-11

(6)"But godliness actually is a means of great gain when accompanied by contentment. (9) But those who would be rich fall into temptation and a snare and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. (10) For the love of money is the root of all evil; and while some have coveted after it, they have erred from the faith and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. (11) But thou, O man of God, flee these things and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness."
(NASB),(KJ21)



Seems like if one follows what Paul is saying here in 1 Tim., then it will go well for that one.




18  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: Eternal Security according to the Bible on: July 19, 2011, 06:39:38 PM

No such thing as "Once saved, always saved". A person can loose their relationship with God. The bible makes this clear.  Smiley




Will you post some scriptures you are referencing please probound?



Interesting story. The "son of sam" if you will remember, was one of the notorious serial killers NY ever had. Supposedly he had been "saved" just 4 years prior to those killings. When one of the members of his former church had heard of the murders this is what she told the Associated Press: "I’m just thankful he was saved." Why? She claimed: "The Bible says, once saved, always saved." - New York Post, August 25, 1977, p. 2., I believe.

So, does the bible actually say "once saved always saved"? No. However, allot of sincere people do feel like it teaches this notion.


1 Cor. 9:24-27

"(24) Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. (25) Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last, but we do it to get a crown that will last forever. (26) Therefore I do not run like someone running aimlessly; I do not fight like a boxer beating the air. (27) No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize."


Note how Paul makes the statement "I myself will not be disqualified". Indicating, he knew that it was possible for him to loose that fight or race that he illustrated.



1 Cor. 10:1-12

"(1) For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. (2) They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. (3) They all ate the same spiritual food (4) and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. (5) Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered in the wilderness. (6) Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did. (7) Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: 'The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry'. [8] We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did—and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died. (9) We should not test Christ, as some of them did—and were killed by snakes. (10) And do not grumble, as some of them did—and were killed by the destroying angel. (11) These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come. (12) So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall!"


In the Christian race, Paul indicates the "one" who receives the prize is anyone who finishes the race. Paul urges, "Run in such a way as to get the prize." "So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall"

So, it can happen to any of us whom "think" we are saved. Again, the bible doesn't teach "once saved always saved". This last one should clinch the notion of  "once saved always saved" as well.

Heb. 10:26-31

"(26) If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, (27) but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. (28) Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. (29) How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? (30) For we know him who said, 'It is mine to avenge; I will repay,' and again, 'The Lord will judge his people.' (31) It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."


This is the short of it, but I think you will get the gist.
19  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: Louis Farrakhan - America is Babylon on: July 17, 2011, 03:49:23 AM
"Babylon the Great" (the one mentioned in the bible) is not referring to any government. "Babylon the Great" is the world wide mix of false religion that uses the bible as it's authority in the manner which Jesus spoke of. That is, hypocritically! Jesus warned that false religion ("Babylon the Great") would be prevalent during the "last days" of this system.

So, Louis is definitely inaccurate by accusing the USA of being "Babylon the Great" if he is associating them (USA) as such.
20  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: Eternal Security according to the Bible on: July 16, 2011, 02:50:24 PM
No such thing as "Once saved, always saved". A person can loose their relationship with God. The bible makes this clear.  Smiley
21  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: Question from Dr. RC Sproul... on: July 16, 2011, 01:30:48 PM
If there was ever a time when there was nothing, then what could possibly exist now?


There has never been such.  Smiley
22  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: Jesus healed the blind man............ on: July 16, 2011, 01:26:44 PM
Worldly Religion has been extremely corrupted,twisted,perverted by man.

Without doubt! The bible even warns/warned about this very dilemma! So, who/what is teaching what the bible teaches?
23  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: Questions in Times of Great Disaster on: July 16, 2011, 01:18:20 PM
(from recent Charles Stanley [sorry Migs!] devotionals)

Read | Isaiah 55:8-9

8 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the LORD.
9 “For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways
And My thoughts than your thoughts.



Whenever a great disaster strikes, legitimate questions spring to mind. Why does the Lord let such things happen? Couldn’t He have stopped this? Doesn’t He care? The magnitude of death and destruction caused by earthquakes, tsunamis, or floods strips away all the everyday thoughts that normally occupy our minds and causes us to seek explanations for suffering.

Often we answer our own questions based on our relationship with God. Those who know nothing of Him have no frame of reference for understanding how He works. However, believers in Christ have the Bible to guide them as they wrestle through these issues. But even then, the accuracy of one’s perspective is determined by his or her knowledge of God’s Word. Those with a limited understanding of Scripture may very well come to inaccurate conclusions.

We must guard against attempts at forcing God to act as we think He should. If He does something that won’t fit into the box we’ve designed for Him, we easily become upset, angry, or confused. The Lord will never stay within the parameters we set for Him. Since we are mortal, earth-bound, and sinful, we have a very narrow perspective and understanding of life. But our eternal, sinless, sovereign, and omniscient Creator sees and knows what we cannot perceive.

We want to be sure that our viewpoint of God’s role in natural disasters comes from the Bible, not from our own limited “boxed perspective.” Scripture tells us of the Lord’s love, faithfulness, and wisdom. Whenever we cannot understand His ways, faith in His goodness must be our foundation.

Good post!  Reminds me of:
 
Ecclesiastes 9:11,12

(11)" Here is something else I have learned:The fastest runners and the greatest heroes don't always win races and battles. Wisdom, intelligence, and skill don't always make you healthy, rich, or popular. We each have our share of bad luck. (12) None of us know when we might fall victim to a sudden disaster and find ourselves like fish in a net or birds in a trap."

    


24  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: RELIGION IS CERTAINLY A GOOD MONEY MAKER on: July 16, 2011, 12:44:35 PM
Is not the BIBLE part of " WORLDLY/ORGANIZED RELIGION" Huh?


No. Contrary to popular belief. The bible is used for ill purposes by people who could care a less about what it teaches or whom is responsible for it's construction.  Smiley The message of the bible has been contorted to conform to their agendas. Once one studies the bible with a heart of "gold", only then will they see the overall theme it teaches.  Smiley
25  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: Study reveals:believers in God 'are more likely to have a lower IQ' Dumb on: November 08, 2010, 06:44:23 PM
Christopher Michael Langan is an American autodidact whose IQ was reported by 20/20 and other media sources to have been measured at between 195 and 210.  Billed by some media sources as "the smartest man in America"  He said:

"I believe that evolution, including the principle of natural selection, is one of the tools used by God to create mankind"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Michael_Langan

Not a Bible teaching though. God clearly says He created Adam and Eve.
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