What does it say about you that you lump all latinos as Mexican?  The kid's mother is Guatemalan.

I get emails.  It seems that me posting two sentences to a thread about Kali is evidence that I'm fixated on him (in that a year or two ago I put his AKAs on his MuslceMemory page, like I do with everyone that I can make the connections).  Also that doing porn for gay oriented websites [Power Men, Manifest Men, Black Stud Society] is not the same as doing gay porn.

It was enjoyable, but taking Star Trek characters and putting them in a movie doesn't make it a Star Trek movie.  It was no different than any other sciFi blow things up movie this summer.

There better not be any whales in the next one.


The previews were good. I am looking forward to Ender's Game this November.

Who's just another Rodney St Cloud

Kali Muscle, aka Andre Watts, Chuck Basher, has done gay porn.  I'll let you do the googling

Vince was well after Reeves competition days.  Steve Reeves worked with Ed Yarrick in Oakland after the war.   Reeves was already in Oakland.  Eiferman and Delinger came out from the east coast to work with Yarrick prior to their Mr America contests.  The three then won the 1947, 48 and 49 Mr Americas.

Remember, the amateur IFBB is officially a "drug free" organization.  The results above are pending the outcome of random doping tests.  Some people will be disqualified.  Of course they never say how many people get tested (my guess is less than 1 in 10), or what the failure rate is (my guess is close to 100%).

thanks. that's what I get from grabbing the results from a spanish language site, http://www.culturismoweb.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=24882

Suecia vs Suiza

So I've gotten complaints.  For this year's EU contest, the IFBB divided up the 90kg-100kg heavyweight class into 90kg and 95kg.  when I entered the results, I just started at the top with super-heavyweight on down to bantam-weight.  the complaint is that there was no bantam-weight, that lightweight was the lightest class. Mahmut Irmak didnt win welterweight, but light middleweight.  The thing is there is no official definition of weight classes.  Different sports have different definitions.  Even different orgs within the same sport (such as kickboxing) have different definitions.

and unfortunately when I designed the database in 1997, I didn't design it for kg.  with 187000 entries in the database, kind of hard to change it now.

So the question is:  Do I create a new weight class for this one IFBB contest, in between heavyweight and super-heavyweight:  Light-Super-Heavyweight ?

these guys make more money as amateurs then they ever could as an IFBB pro

complete results at http://musclememory.com/show.php?c=European+Amateur+Championships+-+IFBB&y=2013

which you'd already know if you subscribed to the musclememory twitter feed @MuscleMemorycom

Women  http://musclememory.com/show.php?c=European+Amateur+Championships+-+IFBB&y=2013&g=1

Bodybuilding
1     Branka Njegovec   (Croatia)
2     Olga Belyakova   (Russia)
3     Alina Cepurniene   (Lithuania)
4     Maryna Melchenko   (Ukraine)
5     Adriana Zavacka   (Slovakia)
6     Ayșe Senem Serhatli   (Turkey)
7     Jacqueline Borg   (Malta)

Junior
1     Beatrice Mihaela Serban   (Romania)
2     Barbara Budavari   (Hungary)

Masters
1     Caroline Gaume   (France)
2     Lisbet Grape   (Switzerland)
3     Michaela Schar   (Germany)
4     Lucie Limbrunnerova   (Czech Republic)
5     Monika Slosrova   (Czech Republic)
6     Estefania Saura   (Spain)
7     Paola Boschero   (Italy)
8     Larisa Denisova   (Russia)
9     Jacqueline Borg   (Malta)

Figure Overall Winner Gabriella Szabo

Figure A
1     Angela Derzapf   (Germany)
2     Raminta Valaitiene   (Lithuania)
3     Silvia Pavliskova   (Slovakia)
4     Stanislava Fockova   (Slovakia)
5     Valentina Mazzola   (Italy)
6     Szandra Hidasi   (Hungary)
7     Ekaterina Grima   (Ukraine)
8     Tetiana Paramonova   (Ukraine)
9     Anna Maria Giordani   (Italy)
10     Veronika Zubacova   (Czech Republic)
11     Sophie Leo   (France)
12     Ekaterina Smyshlyaeva   (Russia)
13     Panoria Kollia   (Greece)
14     Lill Nikolaisen   (Norway)
15     Michaela Kopperova   (Czech Republic)

Figure B
1     Gabriella Szabo   (Hungary)
2     Petra Urbankova   (Czech Republic)
3     Helene Ahlson   (Switzerland)
4     Vilma Salasevichute
5     Stina Telhammer   (Switzerland)
6     Andrijana Kiprijanoska   (Austria)
7     Tiina Vaskelainen   (Finland)
8     Elena Masarykova   (Slovakia)
9     Susse Hougaard   (Denmark)
10     Cristina Romano   (Italy)
11     Katerina Cienka   (Ireland)
12     Olga Chernous   (Ukraine)
13     Anastasiia Kuzminich   (Russia)
14     Alla Kasianiuk   (Ukraine)
15     Cecilia Barbut   (France)
-     Caroline Bovelet-Schober   (Austria)
-     Ramona Braun   (DA)

Figure C
1     Mette Ulseth   (Norway)
2     Elena Cuzuoic   (Italy)
3     Adela Ondrejovicova   (Slovakia)
4     Eva Rusan   (Croatia)
5     Elonore Eriksson   (Switzerland)
6     Jayne Tingle   (United Kingdom)
7     Viktorija Petraityte   (Lithuania)
8     Joanna Ucinska   (Poland)
9     Nina Simone Ross   (United Kingdom)
10     Minna Vento   (Finland)
11     Tatiana Volosi   (Russia)
12     Eszter Pati   (United Kingdom)
13     Kamila Kowecka   (Cyprus)
14     Milena Koudelkova   (Czech Republic)
15     Demet Karakaya   (Turkey)
-     Jitka Snajdrova   (Czech Republic)
-     Elzbieta Wawrzaszek   (Ireland)

Figure D
1     Olga Karavayeva   (Ukraine)
2     Yulia Zabelina   (Russia)
3     Olena Bulycheva   (Ukraine)
4     Elena Kirshchina   (Azerbaijan)
5     Kinga Szweda   (Poland)
6     Šarka Pickova   (Czech Republic)
7     Lesley Barents   (Netherlands)
8     Olga Shestoperova   (Russia)
9     Sonata Ilijonskiene   (Lithuania)
10     Yulianna Orlova   (Russia)
11     Angela Eramo   (Italy)
12     Lucia Doska   (Moldovia)
13     Monika Szabo   (Hungary)
14     Ann Marie Last   (Ireland)

Figure 35+
1     Marta DelAmo   (Spain)
2     Veronica Gallego   (Spain)
3     Gabriella Szabo   (Hungary)
4     Roberta Bozzao   (Italy)
5     Maria Scotland   (United Kingdom)
6     Maria Ignacia Mas   (Spain)
7     Ethel Heredia   (Spain)
8     Bienvenida Bevia   (Spain)
9     Yolanda Fernandez   (Spain)
10     Yulianna Orlova   (Russia)
11     Muriel Boumazza   (France)
12     Lucia Doska   (Moldovia)
13     Monica Alvarez   (Germany)
14     Katya Vella   (Malta)
15     Monika Szabo   (Hungary)
16     Iryna Yeromina   (Ukraine)

Figure 45+
1     Carina Isaksson   (Switzerland)
2     Rosario Gomez   (Spain)
3     Federica Ghezzi   (Italy)
4     Esther Serrano   (Spain)
5     Patrizia Gernero   (Italy)
6     Esta Pilt   (Estonia)
7     Alison Matthews   (Malta)
8     Nina Mukhortova   (Russia)
9     Linda Jonsdottir   (Iceland)
10     Giuditta Magazzino   (Italy)

Figure Junior Overall Winner Adela Ondrejovicova

Figure Junior Short
1     Corina Gradiaru   (Romania)
2     Jessica Silfversnagel   (Finland)
3     Martina Hruba   (Czech Republic)

Figure Junior Tall
1     Adela Ondrejovicova   (Slovakia)
2     Isa Mursu   (Finland)
3     Elin Hassel   (Finland)
4     Asta Bjork Bolladottir   (Iceland)

complete results, including the previous week's masters and figure

Men http://musclememory.com/show.php?c=European+Amateur+Championships+-+IFBB&y=2013


Overall Winner Mahmut Irmak

Super-HeavyWeight
1     Bogdan Kravchenko   (Ukraine)
2     Alexei Tronov   (Russia)
3     Sergii Iatsiuk   (Ukraine)
4     Andrzej Koldziejczyk   (Poland)
5     Mikhail Sidorychev   (Russia)
6     Krasimir Sarafov   (Bulgaria)
7     Bilgehan Koç   (Turkey)
8     Paata Petriashvili   (Russia)
9     Stanislav Struzberg   (Moldovia)
10     Ersin Kuruel   (Turkey)
11     Gleb Cocorin   (Moldovia)

HeavyWeight
1     Reza Zinatlov   (Azerbaijan)
2     Arne Lundell   (Sweden)
3     Georgi Slavov   (Bulgaria)
4     Melih Yildiz   (Turkey)
5     Relu Gauca   (Ireland)
6     Peter Baers   (Germany)
7     Ralph Decelis   (Malta)

Light-HeavyWeight
1     Andriy Kukharchuk   (Ukraine)
2     Sergei Marutik   (Russia)
3     Görkem Gürsoy   (Turkey)
4     Przemysław Owczarek   (Poland)
5     Ladislav Kuzder   (Slovakia)
6     Vladislav Kuznetsov   (Russia)
7     Francesco Fox   (Italy)
8     Daniel Racoveanu   (Romania)
9     Wojciech Pieczaba   (Poland)
10     Enes Erken   (Turkey)

MiddleWeight
1     Sergei Spichenkov   (Russia)
2     Marian Cambal   (Slovakia)
3     Christofer Nober   (Sweden)
4     Sergiy Chernyak   (Ukraine)
5     Ott Kiivikas   (Estonia)
6     Pavlo Prontenko   (Ukraine)
7     Patrycjusz Wroblewski   (Poland)
8     Francis Haley   (Ireland)
9     Aaron Connon   (Ireland)
10     Alexei Sergheev   (Moldovia)
11     Ömer Döger   (Turkey)

Light-MiddleWeight
1     Cengizhan Iğdir   (Turkey)
2     Andrii Koliada   (Ukraine)
3     Dragos Popescou   (Romania)
4     Vitaliy Kalensky   (Ukraine)
5     Artur Stańczak   (Poland)
6     Mirko Ercolani   (San Marino)
7     Vladimir Yakovlev   (Moldovia)
8     Marc Hector   (United Kingdom)
9     Stephen Borg   (Malta)
10     Roman Kronberger   (Austria)

WelterWeight
1     Mahmut Irmak   (Turkey)
2     Thomas Askeland   (Norway)
3     Georgi Yordanov   (Bulgaria)
4     Krysztof Skryplonek   (Poland)
5     Fredrik Spång   (Sweden)
6     Aleksey Denisov   (Russia)
7     Nikolay Chernetsky   (Russia)
8     Sinan Aydemir   (Turkey)
9     Selim Tarakçi   (Turkey)
10     Mohamed-Ali Aziz   (Denmark)
11     Murat Tonya   (Turkey)
12     Miroslav Hanak   (Czech Republic)

LightWeight
1     Jan Sotak   (Slovakia)
2     Danijel Miklečić   (Croatia)
3     Raigo Kuusnõmm   (Estonia)
4     Jean Mega   (France)
5     Mustafa Genç   (Turkey)
6     Rody Hedo   (Austria)
7     Tobias Gerblinger   (Germany)

BantamWeight
1     Miroslav Skadra   (Slovakia)
2     Yalchin Mamedov   (Azerbaijan)
3     Roman Iushchenko   (Ukraine)
4     Kenan Yildiz   (Turkey)
5     Ashly Sajithkumar   (Ireland)
6     Jala Rahman Ali   (Germany)
7     Radoslav Angelov   (Bulgaria)
8     Ibrahim Efe   (Turkey)
9     Octavian Blaj   (Romania)
10     Christos Lazarou   (Cyprus)

Junior Overall Winner Marko Baric

Junior - HeavyWeight
1     Marko Baric   (Croatia)
2     Dennis Arnold   (Germany)
3     Marek Dorosz   (Poland)
4     Luke Debono   (Malta)
5     Kamil Kluszczynski   (Poland)
6     Radoslav Filip   (Slovakia)
7     Blessing Awodibu   (Ireland)
8     Harun Yilmaz   (Turkey)
9     Jakub Pestka   (Poland)
10     Alberto Dominguez   (Spain)
11     Aleksander Sotirov   (United Kingdom)
12     Connor Magee   (Ireland)

Junior - LightWeight
1     Ovidijus Ringys   (Lithuania)
2     Marcin Piechota   (Poland)
3     Mike Niessen   (Germany)
4     Maksymelian Berezovskyi   (Ukraine)
5     Davide Arrighini   (Italy)

Masters 40+ Overall Winner David Perez (1)

Masters 40+ HeavyWeight
1     Ramon Gonzalez   (Spain)
2     Laurent Bernardini   (France)
3     Thomas Holzer   (Germany)
4     Martin Hainbach   (Germany)
5     Lukasz Kazimierczak   (Poland)
6     Eduardo Urrutikoetxea   (Spain)
7     Gilbert Zammit   (Malta)
8     Jan Tomasek   (Czech Republic)
9     Thomas Davidsen   (Denmark)
10     Thierry Bidault   (France)
11     Mehmet Bükte   (Turkey)
12     Kuprash Viacheslav   (Belarus)
13     Vadim Skorniakov   (Russia)
14     Javier Alvarez   (Spain)
15     Levent Zülfikar   (Turkey)
16     Edward Walsh   (Ireland)
17     Radek Cejka   (Czech Republic)

Masters 40+ Light-HeavyWeight
1     David Perez (1)   (Spain)
2     Martin Koslowski   (Germany)
3     Jukka Virta   (Finland)
4     Carlo DeAngelis   (Italy)
5     Dominic Schieda   (Malta)
6     Gunter Jasper   (Germany)
7     Alfred Palsson   (Iceland)
8     Stephen Borg   (Malta)
9     Serdar Sariöz   (Turkey)
10     Shletsar Siarhei   (Belarus)

Masters 40+ MiddleWeight
1     Karim Boumazza   (France)
2     Robert Hengler   (Germany)
3     Carlos Menendez   (Spain)
4     Eduard Cigan   (Denmark)
5     Jari Laine   (Finland)
6     Hasan Adatepe   (Turkey)
7     Jala Rahman Ali   (Germany)
8     Alexander Menis   (Israel)

Masters 40+ LightWeight
1     Philippe Durieux   (France)
2     Alain Pages   (France)
3     Petr Havlik   (Czech Republic)

Masters 50+ Overall Winner Wolfgang Schober

Masters 50+ HeavyWeight
1     Wolfgang Schober   (Austria)
2     Antonio Vergiani   (Italy)
3     Thomas Lauer   (Germany)
4     Jose Carlos Rebolo   (Portugal)
5     Aivars Visockis   (Latvia)
6     Jozef Piry   (Slovakia)
7     Mustafa Telatar   (Turkey)
8     Wiesław Kruk   (Poland)
9     Baldur Borgporsson   (Iceland)
10     John Dunne   (Ireland)

Masters 50+ LightWeight
1     Hans Jörg Winter   (Germany)
2     Jose Antonio Gonzalez   (Spain)
3     Albert Szczygielski   (Poland)
4     Taner Umul   (Turkey)
5     Didier Ioculano   (France)
6     Oleg Scharikov   (Russia)

Masters 60+
1     Milan Bodlak   (Czech Republic)

Masters 65+
1     Nico Lundholm   (Switzerland)
2     Jiri Faflik   (Czech Republic)

Classic Overall Winner Ali Emre

Classic Short
1     Teymur Aslanov   (Azerbaijan)
2     Tomas Lukac   (Czech Republic)
3     Stanislav Vizenher   (Ukraine)
4     Rain Kuusnõmm   (Estonia)
5     Abdulgani Erbezigan   (Turkey)
6     Serhii Tkachenko   (Ukraine)
7     Piotr Zaniewski   (Poland)
8     Gabriel Duguet   (France)
9     Denis Titu   (Moldovia)

Classic Medium-Short
1     Gabriele Giansante   (Italy)
2     Antonio Primiceri   (Italy)
3     Sinan Baba   (Turkey)
4     Angelo Pischedda   (Italy)
5     Robert Kozielski   (Poland)
6     Kubilay Korkmaz   (Turkey)
7     Nicolae Cristea   (Romania)

Classic Medium
1     Patrik Stiglic   (Slovakia)
2     Andrei Maliutin   (Russia)
3     Vitalii Valeev   (Russia)
4     Tuukka Heikkinen   (Finland)
5     Przemysław Zokowski   (Poland)
6     Algan Idris Bașaran   (Turkey)
7     Ouiam Monzeer   (United Kingdom)
8     David Plachy   (Czech Republic)
9     Trevor Conway   (Ireland)
10     Oleg Fistican   (Moldovia)

Classic Medium-Tall
1     Ali Emre   (Turkey)
2     Siarhei Matusevitch   (Belarus)
3     Oleh Kakorin   (Ukraine)
4     Aleksei Shaev   (Russia)
5     Manuel Chalupka   (Austria)
6     Bohumil Stepanek   (Czech Republic)
7     Paolo Sgro   (Italy)
8     Manuel Plachner   (Austria)
9     Volkan Altunbas   (Turkey)
10     Konstiantyn Taramaly   (Ukraine)
11     Aleh Babinich   (Belarus)
12     Andrey Shmidt   (Russia)
13     Patrik Larsson   (Sweden)
14     Robert Majewski   (Poland)
15     Tuomas Kuronen   (Finland)
-     Giedrius Abeciunas   (Lithuania)
-     Denys Kuznietsov   (Ukraine)
-     Dean St Mart   (Ireland)

Classic Tall
1     Dmitrii Krylov   (Russia)
2     Nicolas Alcoverro   (France)
3     Peter Bella   (Slovakia)
4     Serdar Teker   (Turkey)
5     Johan Saxerud   (Sweden)
6     Vytautas Teresevicius   (Lithuania)
7     Janar Ruckenberg   (Estonia)
8     Dražen Vrbančić   (Croatia)
9     Yan Hubenko   (Belarus)
10     Andrei Sviryd   (Belarus)
11     Pavel Georgiev   (Bulgaria)
12     Cyril Vilmant   (France)
13     Krystof Rodkiewicz   (Poland)
14     Ceyhun Tokmak   (Turkey)
15     Ivan Ivanov   (Bulgaria)

Classic Junior
1     Erik Halaska   (Slovakia)
2     Dainius Matulionis   (Lithuania)
3     Pekka Kotipohja   (Finland)
4     Antton Tammelin   (Finland)
5     Tibrahim Berat   (Turkey)
6     Jose Maria Caontos   (Spain)
7     Sum Kelner   (Estonia)
8     Dan Traian Aldea   (Romania)
9     Jake Martin Flaven   (United Kingdom)
10     Clive Sammut   (Malta)

Classic Masters Overall Winner Reino Strand

Classic Masters 40+
1     Reino Strand   (Switzerland)
2     Jiri Schafer   (Czech Republic)
3     Mahmut Bora Erzen   (Turkey)
4     Serge Rouze   (France)
5     Peter Ljunggren   (Switzerland)
6     Jimmy Marcillo   (France)
7     Cem Baltacioğlu   (Turkey)
8     Gauti Runarsson   (Iceland)
9     Eddie Bergkvist   (Switzerland)
10     Marek Boc   (Poland)
11     German Tomas   (Spain)
12     Kevin Cauchi   (Malta)
13     Kamal Salem   (Netherlands)
14     Juho Passila   (Finland)
15     Abdurrahman Kiran   (Turkey)

Classic Masters 50+
1     John Davi   (Spain)
2     Mieczysław Nowacki   (Poland)
3     Raymond Cassar   (Malta)
4     Mario Pace   (Malta)

Wheelchair
1     Daniel Minster   (Czech Republic)

everything from underground labs is under-dosed.  15-20 years ago I remember being told that you couldn't get much more than 200 mg of nandrolone into a ml of oil, it would just precipitate to the bottom.  Now the only thing you find on the black market is labeled 350 mg/ml nandrolone.  Same for Tren.

The only difference between the top physique competitors and the mass monster bodybuilders is the amount of drugs.  probably just as much steroids, but not as much GH and insulin.

not to mention all over tumbr

yes, there is IFBB Pro Physique, with 15 pro shows on the schedule for 2013.  The recent LA Grand Prix was Phyique only and appears to have pulled a bigger crowd than last year's LA Flex Pro.

http://musclememory.com/show.php?c=Arnnold+Classic+Brasil+-+IFBB&y=2013

1 Brandon Curry
2 Toney Freeman
3 Johnnie Jackson
4 Edward Nunn
5 Fred Smalls
6 Robert Piotrkowicz
7 Michalis Kefalianos
8 Hidetada Yamagishi
9 Ronny Rockel
10 Baitollah Abbaspour
11 Mohamad Bannout
12 Fernando Noronha Almeida
13 Paco Bautista

Cedric McMillan did not compete

how about just video screens for the floor

The control of the Olympia and the pro IFBB passed from Weider to Manion long before Weider died.  Yes it is the judges who decide, but they still report to Manion and Chang.  While they've seemed to have progressed from being afraid to vote for anyone even associated with the gay community (Rusty Jeffer's 8th place at the 2006 Masters Pro World (how did they even know he was the most recognized face in that specific gay subculture if they weren't a bunch of closet cases?)), they're still going to vote what they think is best for bodybuilding.

Now we are a country of second chances.  Given enough time, most anything can be forgiven and forgotten. (this is not necessarily a good thing, IMHO)  Kai became infamous for fucking a grapefruit on camera.  Immediately after that, there is no way judges would have voted for him for the Olympia.  But that memory had begun to fade.  Now this recent video shows him having sex on stage in a bar.  That might be enough to have cost him the Olympia this year.  How many more years does he have?

there are plenty of pics of his cock from his j/o videos.  no evidence of injections or long term pumping there.  only that one pic on stage does his foreskin look swollen.  probably just from pumping right before he went on stage.

Besides that Robinson and Zane were at their peak in the late 70s and early 80s, you're picking the best of the best.  Look at the rest of the guys from the 60s and even early 70s and they have similar builds as this new Physique category.  Zane in the 60s and early 70s would certainly fit in the Physique division.  Look at the Physique division from this past NPC Nationals, especially the tall classes.  http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/index.php?mode=contest&contestcode=29 They look like bodybuilders from the 60s and early 70s.

But my post was to criticize the Physique contests.  It's stand and model.   No flexing.  So the winner is who looks best relaxed, which certainly is not the same as who would look best flexed.  And those board shorts.  Why should anyone waste time on squats when no one will ever see their legs?

Why not just put the guys in posing suits and call it Classic Bodybuilding?

But people are buying tickets. At this weekend's LA Pro Physique Championships (Matt Christianer won), the auditorium was packed.  Probably more so than the Flex LA Championships, certainly more so than the last few Ironman.  In recent years, look at how many men's pro bodybuilding contests go two years and then the promoters give up.  The fans aren't showing up for the mass monsters.

Just as Pro Figure has pushed out women's pro bodybuilding (this year there are 5 pro bodybuilding contests, and 20 pro figure), Pro Physique has the chance of pushing out men's pro bodybuilding.  (we'll have to wait and see if women's pro physique pushes out pro figure).  

we do have pros that look like the top bodybuilders of the 60s.  but they don't pose or flex.  they come out on stage, put their hand on their hip, do a quarter turn, do another quarter turn, then walk off stage.  We call it IFBB Men's Pro Physique.  they seem to be quite the draw, outselling many pro bodybuilding events

http://musclememory.com/show.php?c=FIBO+Germany+-+IFBB&y=2013

1  Cedric McMillan
2  Johnnie Jackson
3  Edward Nunn
4  Robert Piotrkowicz
5  Ronny Rockel
6  Daniel Toth
7  Michalis Kefalianos
8  An Nguyen
9  Dainius Barzinskas
10  Jeff Long
11  Zaher Moukahal
12  Baitollah Abbaspour
13  Jaime Atienza
14  Vincente Santamaria
15  Anton Breznik
16  Mohamad Bannout