They agree on it because it's an easy target and, like the PED witch hunt, a big red herring (what changes in this country if some jackoff pro baseball player is tested for steroids regularly?).

It wouldn't be so bad if the plebs weren't easily swayed by bullshit arguments like "so-and-so is violent, and he liked violent videogames; therefore, even if we can't prove videogames made him shoot up a crowd of people, it certainly didn't help!"  The masses will buy into almost anything with such a sufficiently tenuous, even questionable correlation so long as it's an emotionally-charged issue.  Introduce kids into the mix, and BAM:  it's more than likely the majority of Americans will hitch their wagon to the idea, even if they can't even explain why they support it.

The whole second-hand smoke thing isn't all that different.  Of course it's gross and it's obvious to any sane human being that, over time, inhaling even something much more diffuse than what makes most smokers him/herself sick simply cannot be good for you.  Just the same, the people who conducted the research which suggests SHS is such a menace cherry-picked their data something fierce.  One of my favorite vloggers, Krissiespeaks on Youtube, talks a bit about that.  (Naturally, most people will dismiss her contention out of hand because she smokes like there's no tomorrow.  But I say attack the reasoning, not the person.  There is such a thing as the Appeal to Motive fallacy, itself a variation on the red herring.)  Walking past some hipsters smoking outside a coffee house or even going to a smoky bar every month or two will have no measurable effect on an otherwise healthy person's well-being.  Asthmatics might have some trouble, but then, Lindsay fucking Lohan has asthma and she's chain-smoked since she was a young teen -- nevermind all of the other shit she's done to her body.  I just see it as another step in the utter faggication of Americans.  Don't drink, don't smoke, don't eat salt, don't drink large sugary drinks, don't spend time in the sun, don't eat much red meat, wash your hands fifty times a day, etc.

But I digress.  The extreme liberal morons and conservative fucktards never, EVER have a counterargument to the countless examples of us who grew up watching violent movies, playing videogames like Mortal Kombat and watching bloody sports like hockey, boxing, Tough Man shows, this MMA shit, rugby and even your personal favorite, Adam:  American football  When I was a kid -- and even now -- I loved the parts of Conan: The Barbarian where he, Valeria and Subotai infiltrate one of Thulsa Doom's temples and chop off legs, heads and arms.  I howled with laughter at those old, fake-ass "Faces of Death" movies.  I was fairly numb through "A Clockwork Orange" but shit, even parts of that were comedic.  (If anything, the part that most disturbed me wasn't either of the rape scenes, but how Alex's former droogs, now policemen, took him out in the country and tortured him via near-drowning.)

And as much as I enjoyed my 8-bit Nintendo, I knew I was really an avid gamer when Golden Axe came along.  You'd hack dudes to death, hear their death cries, then their bodies would drop -- and stay there (albeit the fact they turned brown)!  For fighting games, the Neo-Geo took it to the next level with the Art of Fighting series.  The first one was clunky, but the second was quite good.  And it was so much fun to literally watch as you pounded your enemy's face -- including your own daughter, if you played as Takuma! -- into a swollen, purplish pulp.  But as I said, I doubt anything quite topped the Mortal Kombat fatalities back then.  Modern games bring you a whole new brand of fun violence.  I bet anyone who's played Red Dead Redemption, one of my favorites, has tied someone up and left them on the train tracks, only to be pulverized in a big squish of blood.

And for all the fun I had playing those games, I've never committed a violent crime.  I haven't even run a fucking stop sign or short-changed a retarded employee at Jack in the Box.  Why?  I'm a decent, kind fellow.  I try to observe the Golden Rule.  The only people upon I truly wish harm are habitual abusers or even child molesters that my ex-fiance (and current girlfriend) have told me about.  I'd think nothing of going Theon Greyjoy on their asses, at least for awhile.  But again, it's worth noting that, in spite of me absorbing all of this violent "media," never once have I thought to repeat it; and, if anything, I abhor it.  I get sick at the sight of some automobile accident footage.  And shit, I even teared up watching some of the live footage from this tornado business in Oklahoma.  

So, Mr. Biden, Mrs. [batshit insane] Feinstein, Misters Chris "Parade Float" Christie and Diane Black, where do I and the countless people like me fit into the picture you've grossly distorted for your own petty political gain?  

Here's an idea!

Maybe we should burn those games and, while we're at it, VHS tapes, DVDs and Blu-Rays of violent movies.  And there remains much description of truly horrific violence in print, so we might as well throw the books and magazines onto the fire.  SEIG HEIL!  Hitler would be proud ... if not for the fact that the Nazis singled-out anything they thought might promote dissent; "violence" as such never even entered the radar of most fascist regime in Earth's history    

SEIG HEIL!  SEIG HEIL!    Fucking shitty government and its focus on the most obtuse  

Hmm.  Yeah, I forgot about that.  I've never used before 

I'm still curious to know how someone documented the number of times he spanked the monkey before croaking, though.  That's weird!

Damned good question.  Was Herbert the Pervert watching him?

It's Brazil, so I reckon the kid kept snorting ever-greater amounts of coke to stay hard while he beat away to his favorite porn.  The ticker can only take so much, so after ingesting a shitload of cocaine, his heart stopped.  I just hope it was right after he'd cracked one off to a real hottie, like Sofia Vergara or my current personal favorite, Chrissie Marie.

Probably cyanide milkshakes and a few high-velocity hollowpoint injections to his skull.  Most of his fat does seem to be between his ears, after all.

You are only too kind, my fellow Carolinian brother.

Jason is not a bad fellow, I agree, but he is slow.  I've just started student teaching (long story), and newbie teachers are usually thrown straight into the fry pan.
I'm dealing with kids who are a good bit younger than Jason and, in some cases, they're much higher-functioning:  I swear, a pair of Asperger's twins, male and female, I know should not only be in a so-called "LD-class," they really should be in community college.  Rainman has NOTHING on them, and these two have actual personalities and very good interpersonal skills to boot.  They certainly don't freak out when I introduce them to someone and said person goes for a hug.  If anything, my twins *groove* on that hug!  They even tell me they can't wait to "get adult" such that they can hug on anyone they like.

Jason strikes me as someone of about comparable intelligence (ranging anywhere from 70-85; it's hard to be more specific, especially since I ain't a pro), but apart from his photographer, it seems as if the boy has precious little guidance when he's not filmed.  Then, when he is, he seems to train the same bodyparts with an alarmingly-high frequency.

Methinks Darth Squeaky is a guy who wanted a big pair of pecs and good arms, then someone caught onto his overblown ambitions and decided to either motivate the boy by filming his successes and many, many failures OR someone recognized a train-wreck when he sees it and, since Jason happens to "train" in his gym, he'd document that for ... ?  Whatever reason.  It still escapes me.  

This kid needs much more than rethinking chicken breasts and beef to get where he needs.  

*Yeah, he looks pretty big to me.

*He's no Coleman, but he's quite strong.

*No, I wouldn't use Slin at his age.  I doubt I ever will, even if I have unlimited access to legit gH.  

*As Insanity_BB said, the dude DID just win the Contra Costa overall.  That's usually a competitive show.  

*That said, he admits that he put 1.5-2" on his arms using fucking SYNTHOL.  

I was all ready to kinda like this kid, then he went and endorsed synthol :|  Fuck that horseshit.

OTOH, I WILL give him credit for at least admitting his use.  As much as I hate it, in this day and age, at least owning up to doing X, Y and Z apparently deserves props :|  After all, most people who do SEO would rather die (and they often do!) before confessing to their obvious use.  Even Greg Fucking Valvolino, who's typically as straight-forward as they come, lied his ass off for that silly "Steroids" mockumentary.  

I concur.

I would definitely fuck that crazy bitch.  Even her detractors can't deny that she's quite sexy for her age.  And from what I gather, Wasilla prides itself on the quality of their marijuana.  I could never quite picture Sarah with, say, a Marlboro Light; I can, however, very EASILY see her smoking tons of the local ganja.  Probably still does.

LOL indeed

I thought the show's production staff got a little big for their britches.  It was good stuff, but it seemed like the David Chases and ilk REALLY let the success go to their heads.  That's when the ridiculously long hiatuses between seasons started.  And I won't even comment on the series finale.  Chase had to know he'd draw plenty of flak about it but, when confronted, he acted like a bigger, sniveling baby than Steve Weinerberger (or whatever the fuck, that big, perpetually red-faced, really angry-looking bald asshole married to Bev Francis) when Wayne Demilia called out the judging panel that year at the NOC.  (I think Ruehl placed 4th?  Something like that.  It was a complete bullshit result so the crowd went insane, then Demilia introduced the judges to the crowd, ROTFLMAO.  Weiner stood up, gave the crowd the finger and screamed obscenities at them, but was eventually drown out.  What a gent, that man!    Stupid guy biting the hand that fed him, his drug habits and his bullshit side "job.")

I digress.  Yeah, Chase whined like a real bitch when a lot of people didn't like the way "The Sopranos" ended.  I thought it was a bit chickenshit myself.  Why not end the show with Tony getting popped in front of his family?  Or better yet, have a hitman miss and shoot that sweet thing Meadow Soprano by accident.  Seeing her bleed out in that restaurant would've been poetic justice.

But, yet AGAIN, I digress.  The Sopranos' greatest strength was its ability to mix comedy with extreme violence.  And sweet Jesus, could that show be funny as fuck  Pretty much anytime Paulie Walnuts was onscreen, you knew something funny could happen:  when he and Chrissy went to collect from Valery, when the waiter came out to complain to those two about his lack of tip, Paulie and Silvio literally *ringing* that Jew fella's bell ... and, of course, there are all of the things related to Paulie and [who he thought was] his "Ma," like the little old ladies, one of whom was a "malignant girl," who eschewed poor Ms. Gaulterrie at the old folks' home, Ralphie's crank call to Paulie's mom, him sending flunkies after his old pal, now a school principal, for not straightening out the situation at the retirement home ...

OH!  And who could forget this:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HfRzQBHIP4

Yeah.  When the show was on, it was ON.  And for additional comedic value, Uncle Jr. is hard to top.  Dominic is a brilliant actor, even behind those Coke bottle glasses

Whoa, it's Pellius!  You've long been one of my favorites (no homo ).  Where have you been?

I tend to agree with you and Adonis.  He's right about selecting smart slaves who have learned a trade, can cook, etc. over simply choosing some big brutes.  Of course, plantationers needed someone to pull that plow, too.  To that end, I wouldn't doubt that some buyers picked at least some slaves out for robustness alone.  It makes some measure of intuitive sense, but it could be self-defeating:  as Adam said, the bigger guy not only needs more food, he could very well "gas" faster than smaller men (ever seen a superheavy BBer work a water and sewer pipe/ditch-digging job?  LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!  It's hilarious to behold.  I think I'm a hair shy of the superheavy mark and I know it would fucking WASTE me).

I'm about to digress  A slave who over the long, tough trip from Africa is a survivor.  You put it actually quite eloquently:  "... I don't mean physical muscular strength but rather that ineffable quality that makes one endure great ... hardships that would break or kill a lesser human being."  Maybe they aren't the biggest and strongest under normal conditions, but their will to survive, coupled with obvious physical resilience, still points to a slave who, when well-fed and treated, will still be a greater asset -- and, I would wager, more "fit" overall -- than an overly-simplistic "he's the biggest and so's she, so I'll take those two, breed 'em and hope like hell my little eugenics experiment results in more big, strong kids."  

On a large enough scale, eugenics might have some utility.  But from the figures I've seen, it would take at least on the order of 100 million monogamous couples, each hailing from a long line of exceptional people*, to really turn out a consistently well-above average crop of people.  No ubermensch.  No great supermen like Kahn Noonien Signh and his fellow clones from Star Trek.  Just well-above average ... and, at the risk of sounding like a complete prick and snob, my opinion of the average person's intelligence is so low, they'd have to try very hard indeed to disappoint or surprise me.

*Exceptional, in this context, would include little to no family history of various diseases (coronary, sickle cell, diabetes), mental problems or other physical maladies.  Longevity, quality of life, especially into old age (read: limited to no history of serious dementia for several generations) are other factors to consider.  I'd suggest education, because a long line of attorneys or medical doctors or, shit, even MA degree-holders are gonna typically be smarter than a bunch of trailer park trash or porch monkeys who couldn't even finish high school.  Unfortunately, that's a rather poor metric for previous generations because, at least in my neck of the woods, a university education was certainly prized ... but it was still less important than gainful employment, getting married and having a great big ole' litter of pups

And in addition to intellectual prowess, some people often overlook the fact that Caucasians -- particularly in certain parts of Europe, like the Slavic countries -- are, if not superior, at least neck-and-neck with Negroids when it comes to sheer strength.  I do think there's little question black folk are, on the whole, superior bodybuilders...but for every super-strong black dude I can think of, I can also name two or three white chaps of comparable bodyweight and lifting experience who might even be stronger. 

But back to the topic at hand:  that kid does have good genetics, and I don't doubt for a second he hears the word "diet" and simply shrugs his shoulders in response.  Lifetime natty?  I actually wouldn't doubt that, either.  If he's about 5'11" and 180, he's carrying plenty of lean muscle but nothing about his build screams USER to me. 

High praise from the greatest Übermensch himself   Thank you, Kahn.

God damn it!

Posting pics like that is killing my argument.  Shhhh!

How about this:  can we agree that Serge is a lot like Mishko in that...

*both men look outstanding relaxed, with great abs and pecs (and in Milos' case, add quad size and sweep to the mix)

*both have a few outstanding poses.  Miskho's front lat spread was very, very good.  Both men had great side-chests.  And pretty much any way they chose to show off their abs was impressive.

*those factors, particularly just looking good standing there, have a kind of "wow" factor that makes most people overlook their weaknesses; e.g., Milos' thin back, or how Serge's arms don't look as overwhelming in a front biceps pose than they do hanging at his sides.

Maybe Serge is one of the greatest ever.  I don't put him in my own top 20, but BBing is subjective; some of us value certain criteria over others.  But Galeniko, my point -- more or less, anyway -- is that, aesthetically-pleasing and (maybe ironically) as strong-looking as Serge was, technically speaking, he was unbalanced.  Otherwise, we'd be crowing about his legs, lats and such as much as we talk about how good his pecs or midsection were.

Does that make more sense?

Points taken. 

I'm still not blown away by his arms.  They DID look enormous hanging by his side, but didn't have the height and "pop" in a front double-biceps that many 70s dudes had (Arnold, Sergio, Bill Grant, Kal Szkalak, etc., etc.). 

And I certainly don't contend that guys in that decade usually had great wheels, but there were a good many bodybuilders with decent thigh development.  Arnold at his peak had good legs -- well, quads and calves.  Sergio had some wheels on him.  Mentzer, Casey, Roy Callendar and Ken Waller, too.

Perhaps I overstated my case, but I never said I looked better or that his training was worthless.  Nonetheless, my points stand.  If his delts and arms were 7 or 8 out of 10, his pecs and abs were 10/10.  Just as I said, that = lack of balance.  Why a seemingly reasonable chap, like Galeniko, with whom I've always been decent and complimentary, finds that so objectionable ... ? 

What's your fucking problem?  I've always been cool with you, most complimentary.  You're acting like a real jackass.

Yeah, Serge did lack many areas, and no, not compared to me :roll:  He had a great chest and abs.  His arms were weak, his back was weak and his legs were underdeveloped.

Compared to whom?  That is a stupid question Galeniko.  Who was BEATING Serge in contests?

THAT is your answer.


He's not one of the greatest ever.  Not unless you're talking standing at a slight angle in the front relaxed shot. 


Are you just trolling now, or what?  Everyone said Serge was strong but chose to lift VERY light weights and pump for hours on end.


That is idiotic and you should know it.  So and so looks better; ergo, his routine is superior.  That's child's reasoning.  What about genetics?  Drugs?


Yes, you did, but I bet at some point or another you curled heavier weights.

A couple.

He looked OK in a front double biceps.  He had a good side-chest pose.  He looked amazing, especially from the waist up, when he stood relaxed and at a slight angle.

Apart from that, I honestly don't see the appeal.  His legs weren't that great, his back wasn't too good, and I thought he was totally delusional to even stand next to a prime Arnold onstage.  I regard him as the Milos Sarcev of the 1970s, only that's not being fair to Mishko.  Serge had great pecs and abs.  Mishko had outstanding quads, abs, pecs and, in spite of his poor back development, he actually had a very good front lat spread.

Light pumping shit is fine for someone who's already pretty big, but it'll never get 99.9999% of bodybuilders to Serge's level.  And as I said, he lacked in many areas, so maybe all those sets with the 20 lb. dumbell curls and such weren't all they're cracked up to be?

Know why?

You'd have to add a ton of size to look much different in a t-shirt, broham.

Hope your missus and Anabolichalo Jr. are okay.  As for you, maybe it's time to up the dose a *bit*?  What's your training like?  Diet?

He's the dullest wooden spoon in the entire kitchen.  But I do think someone's given him limited amounts of Superdrol or something at times; one week, he can easily flat bench 225 for 16 OK reps, then he nearly shits himself doing the same weight a month later.  He blamed his diet -- you know, because he was "getting sickeningally shreddred guy, yeah, so ripped up every fucking hater out there will be sorry guy" on like 400g of daily carbs :roll: -- but that's complete horseshit.  I realize he probably trains with next to no rhyme or rhythm, but still:  the way his strength varies so wildly probably points to him using something for a couple of weeks on and off.

Personally, I would donate 50 USD toward getting him a legit bottle of Test E.  I don't care how it affects his physique; I just want it to deepen his voice.  He sounds about like a 13-year-old, poor chap ...

I almost agree, but as granite-hard as he gets, it looks to me like he could have more separation and striations in his delts and upper back.

That's pretty extreme nitpicking, though.  The best 212 guys (read: the top dudes APART from that abomination Kevin English) are, IMO, the best pro bodybuilders around.

Thing is, if he were here and you posted that about anyone else, he'd be taking the piss out of you like a madman.  Hurhur, Onemorerep misses his butt buddy!  And on and on to the point that it ruined most of the threads in which he posted.  The guy seemed obsessed with talking about gay men and homosexuality :?:

And no, he never claimed to be anything *great,* but he did boast about his physique and lifts on many occasions.  He once said he was about 5'11", 230 and no more than 15% bodyfat, claimed his arms were "as big as his head," that he could squat 550 for a few reps, bench 380 and a host of other things that, had anyone else said, he would've immediately called bullshit and hounded them relentlessly for pics and video proof.  When he finally did post pics, it was obvious he was just a really fat permabulker and total hypocrite.

Call him on that, and his only recourse was to say "hahaha I'm in your head, buttons pushed, mission accomplished" and other shit that no grown man would say to another face-to-face -- not because of being a chickenshit or anything, but simply because it'd sound completely insane.  Can you imagine meeting someone like him at the ASC, bashing his physique, and him retorting, "Well, I'd be better but you're only so big because you suck your protein straight from the tap?"  No, he'd laugh, admit he was nothing special and change the subject.  

I'm sure some genius will think he's original and appeal to motive with me (e.g., "Ah, you're just saying that because Dave owned you!"), but please.  Look at the way I express myself.  I'm clearly no dummy.  It takes a little more than a latent homosexual's obsessive 100 post/day habit to "own" a pile of dogshit, at least to any reasonably intelligent observer.


He sucked.  Glad he's gone.  I'd much rather have Bob Chick and Lee Priest back, raising hell at each other.  That was funny

Oh, I will   I was mostly kidding about the Deca.  Its "healing properties" are grossly overstated in my experience.

Cute, but those yellow teeth + their young age = either exceptionally bad genes or heavy smokers.  Since they're European, the latter is probably true.  Besides, I've not seen such tooth-yellowing since before Lindsay Lohan had hers scrubbed, sanded, polished and white-stained to the hilt, and that girl must smoke half her bodyweight in cigarettes weekly.

Jay was actually pretty strong.  I seem to remember him inclining 405 for a few.  Cormier could incline 405 for at least 12 and Dennis James could press a shitload, even if he didn't touch his chest at the bottom of every rep.  Even Dorian was an outstanding BB incline presser before some of his injuries.  I know a guy from Temple Gym who swears on his kids that he saw Dorian incline 455 for 7 very strict reps sometime in early '93. 

Ronnie was very strong overall but there are a number of pros who could equal or beat him on some lifts.  If memory serves, he and Levrone had a bench-off not long after Ronnie won his first Mr. O or two.  Ronnie did 500 for a triple whilst Kevin got it for 6.

Ronnie really shined in DB presses.  I think most pros were too chickenshit to even attempt 200's for flat or incline DB presses, but Ronnie just saw it as another day on the job.  And there really ARE few pros who could equal or beat him on the DB presses he did in "The Unbelievable."  His prowess with the DBs leads me to believe he could handle much more than he did with a BB but, for some reason or another, never quite realized his pressing potential, at least in a powerlifting sense.

Some is in my present, and it ain't doing jack SHIT for healing up my right rotator.  Granted, I'm taking 500mg/wk., but alongside a similar dose of Test E., it should be plenty to fix me back up.  (And yes, my stuff is legit.  Deca bloated me up like a smaller Victor Richards within a week   .)

Should I take more Deca?  I'm not afraid of Deca dick, if that helps.  As I said, I'm on enough test that I can still make my old lady happy.

Who called you out?  Some moron like Mirza?  It was always pretty clear you were the real deal (no homo ).

Fully agreed.

And this shit about Mentzer taking 2,500mg of Deca is sure news to me.  He told me everything he did drug-wise, and he had every reason to be candid with me.  His weekly AAS use might've added up to about half this "well-known fact" Deca dose he was taking :roll:  Even at that, he said he never noticed better gains from about the 600mg-800mg/wk. gear level than when he and Ray tried twice that.  He claimed the only extra thing he got was a lot of pimples and a very sore ass from all of the frequent test prop shots IIRC.