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8351  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: Some choice quotations from the koran... on: February 13, 2007, 08:44:29 PM
Cracker.
8352  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: Some choice quotations from the koran... on: February 13, 2007, 08:40:35 PM
Haider,

Here's a story of the backwards and primitive thought processes islam has it's adherents believe:

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/homeaffairs/story/0,,2012124,00.html

This is in Britain...

Of course there's no correlation between islam and womens rights is there? But how come... islam is always there? Coincidence?
Again, there is nothing within the religious text that would justify what these people are doing there. It really comes as a shock to me that this is even being allowed to happen in the UK. IMO, this is a typical example of males trying to gain dominance. Christianity has also been plagued with this in the past, I think the effects of which, some argue, can still be seen to this day. So what you are presenring us with here is NOT typical of the layout of a mosque, atleast not outside of the UK. And this type of thing is certainly NOT unique to Islam. Blah.
8353  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: Some choice quotations from the koran... on: February 13, 2007, 08:27:42 PM
Then you read me wrong.

What I mean is simply that The Bible has less credibility, is easier to question. You can still be a Christian, even if you don't agree with everything that is written in the Bible. You only have to agree on the general concept.
I guess that is true in some way. Some may say though that such people aren't true christians.

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Right and wrong. Not everything is literal, Allah used allegories in a few instances.

But you don't have to understand the Quran in the "context of history", ie taking the current situation where Muhammed (PBUH) lived into account.

Why? Because Allah is almighty, and the rules and preachings of Allah doesn't need to be customised to a particular era.

Because if they would have to be, then the words of Allah are not complete, and Allah is not almighty.
Then I think u may misunderstand the process through which the Quran was revealed to Muhammed(Pbuh). It is true that many verses, if not all, were revealed tp Muhammed in a "timely" or situational manner, i.e. they were revealed as Muhammed and his followers faced new challenges. While I think these verses carry a message with them that can be understood without the historical context, it certainly gives one a deeper understand to know the circumstances surrounding the revelation of the verses. This comes in handy especially when there is enquiring non-muslims.

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The Quran is the direct word of Allah. If you interpret it, it's like saying Allah didn't know his shyte 100%.
Human interpretation is inevitable, although probably not required. Its a complicated subject.



 
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Other people claim the Bible to be the word of God. Why should anyone take that for granted, without reviewing the texts?

Read the Bible, and you'll find tons of inconsistencies, I believe you really need to interpret and pick the parts of the Bible that you feel are right, in order for the Bible to make sense.

The rest of the Bible will then only serve as a historical background.

-Hedge
Makes sense, since the bible really was written by human beings. I mean no one claims that the bible is the direct word of God, atleast most christians don't.
8354  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: Some choice quotations from the koran... on: February 13, 2007, 08:08:29 PM
There were scientific breakthroughs by the nazi's which eclipse the islamic.

Why don't you attack the source i.e. the koran? Oh no... because you believe it is above judgement.

I am not a christian and yes islam is directly linked to numerous attrocities and violence across the globe.
You are welcome to repeat yourself as much as you want.

It is the religion, dummy. A religion that proposes a woman to wear a rag around her head at all times can't be a good thing. You and other muslims just pick and choose what you like, but the fact is that there others who take everything literally and it doesn't mix well western ideology, as Islam is out of date. Why don't you grow some balls and abandon Islam? Why do you continue to support and follow it?
Whatever I said in this thread, I think I would say regardless of whether I support Islam or not.  You do ask good questions, and what you say is true about a lot of muslims, including me. I dont think I'm well equipped to give you a proper reply either, since the same things bother me. It's very complicated, especially if you come from a religious background. Regardless, I think it is not an easy task to discredit religion altogether.

I think at the surface (well, literally) it may appear that Islam oppresses women because the proposed dress code doesn't allow for them to leave much of their body uncovered. I dont think its a good argument for 2 reaons.
#1: It doesn't necessarily follow that women are being oppressed. It is a dress code, a standard of decency, much like westerners also ascribe to a certain standard. For example it is not permissible for a woman to walk around in a bikini top, so in a way she is being forced to put on clothes. I think it follows that there isn't a moral element to this as much as there is a customary/cultural one, atleast in secular terms.
#2: Muslim women, especially if u read stories of women converts, willingly wear the hijab, even describing it as a liberating experience. This not only contradicts the view that Islam oppresses women but also carries with it the claim that western society oppresses women.


8355  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: Some choice quotations from the koran... on: February 13, 2007, 03:56:21 PM
Wrong.

The difference is that the Quran is the EXACT WORDS of Allah.

The Bible only has one passage, the Ten Commandments, that could pass that criteria.

Everything else in the Bible is just a collection of different authors.


So a Christian have much more room for interpretation, he or she can even disagree with parts of the Bible. A true Muslim cannot disagree with one single word of the Quran.


-Hedge
You say that as if it gives the bible more merit than it can be interpreted to one's own likeness to a higher degree. Not everything in the Quran is literal and cut and clear, so there definitely IS room for interpretation. A lot of things have to be understood within the context of history in the Quran also, so one definitely needs scholarly help in order to understand those type of verses. You can't disagree with verses in the Quran but you can definitely argue in favour of your interpretation, if there happens to be that type of disagreement. I think the same goes for the bible. How can you as a christian disagree with the [inspired] word of God?
8356  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: Some choice quotations from the koran... on: February 13, 2007, 03:49:58 PM
Erm... when it comes to islam (this thread is about koranic verse, don't hijack it) you will find that islam is the "causation". Wars across the middle east, africa and parts of Indonesia are fueled by islamo supremacism.
You in effect hijacked your own thread by inserting into it the connection between religion and violence. I was merely responding to what you said. Again, what you are describing is a corelation, not causation. Similar wars and ongoing feuds are/have been the result of "christian supremacism" as well. However, there is not an element in christianity itself that condones this.
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Check the demographics of muslims world over. Check the educational and employment status's of peoples in India and Britain. I wonder if you will find that there is a correlation between the muslims groups and low levels of education and employment.
I think in pakistan, on average the christian has a lower social status than muslims = lower education levels. In the middle east there is little distinction between the two groups.  What you fail to mention is the growth spurt of the sciences under Islamic rule. This goes in direct contradiction with your assertion that Islam suppresses education.

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What promoted the suppression of education for girls in Afghanistan? Did educated females hinder the economics of the country negatively?

Why do peoples in Pakistan chose to send to kids to islamic schools? Why are Indians more literate than muslims?

WHAT IS THE CONNECTION? NOT ISLAM RIGHT? Roll Eyes
The suppression of females in afghanistan is due to the dickhead taliban who have no sense or the concept of female rights. It may even be a cultural thing, since they do seem to have it backwards when it comes to many things. I dont know exactly why indians are more literate than pakistanis, but Im sure muslims within india do not fall behind the hindu's there. I fail to see how religion has anything to do with this.
8357  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Logs and Info / Re: Haider's Training Journal on: February 13, 2007, 01:53:45 PM
Hey bro, keep it up.

Curious, how do u know wen the proper stimulus is achieved?? Not doubting u, just curious?!

davie
This is dependent on the amount of workload that I think or FEEL that I can handle in a given workout. One certainly doesn't need endless sets for stimulate a muscle group, which would require the length of an entire workout. Not a knock on high volume training though, since it does work for some people. It's just that I feel it ends up being highly inefficient.
8358  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: Some choice quotations from the koran... on: February 13, 2007, 01:49:29 PM
Here's the difference... when was the last act of terrorism in the name of Christ?

What aggressive passages are there in the Bible that quotes Jesus EXACTLY. Where does Jesus say "kill unbelievers", where's the historical evidence of Jesus beheading hundreds of men? Huh

Nothing even compares to islam and it's satanic heritage and rituals.
are u done ranting yet ya whining bitch. Correlation does not equal causation, until proven otherwise. There are absolutely aggressive passages in the bible that describe God's direct wrath upon a people, and the passages aren't very subtle either. There HAVE been acts that were commited in the name of christianity, and it still happens in some countries, just not to the same degree. Obviously this goes against the teachings of Christianity, so one has to wonder whether these acts are solely individual (or the dielogy of a few crazy one) or if its directly attached to the religious doctrine. I think it's very hard to prove that it boils down to religion, given other variables such as education(or lack thereof), economic and political situation, etc. It actually has very little to do with religion, although it may appear on the surface that it has much more to do with religion since theres a lot of religious rhetoric that goes with this kinda thing.
8359  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: '93 Labrada underrated? on: February 13, 2007, 01:10:39 PM
gtbro is the man, and I agree with him 100%
8360  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: "These aint no light weights" hahaha on: February 13, 2007, 01:07:36 PM
um what does every other 2 weeks mean??
maybe he likes training only 2 weeks at a time?
8361  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: Some choice quotations from the koran... on: February 13, 2007, 12:56:45 PM
Can you also pull out your bible now and deride the christians for what is found in their books? There's certainly some very very violent things present in the bible, that people seem to ignore and instead choose to harp on the Quran for mentioning God's wrath on the unbeleivers.  Roll Eyes
8362  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: Some choice quotations from the koran... on: February 13, 2007, 12:54:38 PM
When are you going to jihad camp?

If you don't fight for allah and/or chose to only believe parts of the koran then you will be with me in eternal doom in hell fire.

Can't wait to meet you in the person fella!
Even an atheist would want ur ass in hell, for the asshole u are Grin
8363  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Logs and Info / Re: Haider's Training Journal on: February 13, 2007, 12:52:35 PM
Jihadist...

Your routine makes me un-easy...

For instance, you say chest it a weak point, but you do flamboyant exercises like neutral grip presses, which will target the front delts more than the chest, plus I've never been one for mixing back with chest like that.

Do 2 sets per exercise and stop doing this wacky shit. You need to up your intake of pork too, it's amino acid profile is similar to that of the muscle fibres found in the pectoral muscles!
Fvck you very much for ur comments dear heathen  Cool

My routine is centered first around strength, then around "hypertrophy" or "mass". I train around my strength goals. Anyways, I group chest and back together because I find it to be very efficient. Grouping things in a push pull manner right now would be a hassle for me, but Im open to the idea. However, the pulling and pushing within a workout is balanced out so Im not pushing more than Im pulling or vice versa.
        I chose neutral grip presses because Ive heard of their usefulness when it comes to pec development. I thought it was worth giving it a try, but it certainly could be the case that this exercise wont hit my chest as good. But its another option, and there is no harm in trying. You see, to me it is whacky to work out one bodypart a day, as I have explained on the lasts page of this thread. Once proper stimuli is acheived just move on with other muscle groups, so u can make the most of your workout. This in turn allows to hit the muscle group multiple times a week, which has been shown to be superior for muscle gains, and also strength.
8364  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: Some choice quotations from the koran... on: February 13, 2007, 11:52:35 AM
I love it!!!!!!!!!!!   Cool
8365  Getbig Main Boards / General Topics / Re: Fun little encryption. Hidden message for the regulars. Please crack this. FUN. on: February 12, 2007, 09:55:36 AM
Yaroni = byuy    Huh
I think,

yaroni = nice
8366  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Pictures of Members & More / Re: "ULTRA GAINIGHER" new wadders video!!! evil lifting on: February 11, 2007, 01:03:42 PM
So fvckin weird. The music makes it even creepier. Good work!  Wink
8367  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Logs and Info / Re: Haider's Training Journal on: February 10, 2007, 11:24:48 PM
Saturday, Feb 10:
Upper ME:
Flat Bench Press:       
95 x 10
135 x 5
175 x 3
205 x 2     WTF   Angry
200 x 3     Better.
Free-weight T-bar Rows(using 25 lb plates):
135 x 6
100 x 12
Neutral-grip* Incline Db Presses:   (2:00)    (new)
60's x 8
60's x 8
60's x 8
Super-strict Wide-grip Pullups** <supersetted with> Strict Wide-grip Pullups***:   (2:00)
BW x 5 <ss> BW x 5
------  <ss> BW x 7
1-arm A-trainer Cable Flies(only right arm):    (Double Pulley)
20 x 6
15 x 6 -DS- 10 x 4
Decline Tricep Ext (w/ a pause):  (2:00)     
85 x 12
85 x 9
Incline Db Curls <supersetted with> Hammer Curls:  (2:00)
30's x 12 <ss> 30's x 4
30's x 11 <ss> 30's x 4 (sloppy)

* Neutral-grip = Palms facing each other
** Very strict with next to no arm involvement.
*** With arm involvement


wow, I really really really suck at benching. I need some help here, probably tips on better form. I was VERY disappointed at not being able to get the 205 lift. That motivated me more to get the 200 but it was still very discouraging. But getting the 200 gave me enough of a boost to keep going with the workout. T-bars were a surprise, cause I thought I could get the 8 reps. Didn't really like the neutral grip db presses.... shoulders were burning after that but no pump in chest. I'll give the exercise some time though, cuz a lot of times ur body needs to get a chance to feel the movement out and the pumps also get better as u progress up in weight. Strong on triceps today, a welcome surprise ofcourse. No progression on the curls though.

8368  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Shawn Ray knew how to train!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on: February 10, 2007, 09:27:20 PM
This sort of mindset would never drive a man to a 525Lb bench press
His superior mind muscle connection makes 225 seem like 500. So waht makes you think he couldnt have benched 235 pounds with an equal amount of mind muscle connection?  Angry
8369  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Logs and Info / Re: Haider's Training Journal on: February 09, 2007, 11:09:43 PM
Nice journal.... a little unconventional in your choices of excercises but it seems to be working..... keep it up!!
Thank man, your kind comments are greatly appreaciatted!   Cool  Smiley
8370  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: Help with Chest on: February 09, 2007, 10:59:51 PM
I am trying to bring up my chest.... I was thinking of doing the following what do you guys think...... hitting chest twice per week

Monday:
Bench Press 4 working sets
Incline press 4 working sets
Flys 3 working sets
Wide grip weighted dips 3 sets

Then Thursday
Incline hammer strength 4 sets
flat hammer 3 sets
incline fly 3 sets
cable crossovers 3 sets

What do you guys think?


IMO thats too much volume, atleast the workload seems to be too much. I'd do a heavy day, and a lighter day.

Day 1:
Bench Press: Ramp upto 5 rep max (over 5 sets)
Low Incline Db: 3 x 6-8
Dips: 1-2 x 8
Pec Deck (pushing with the elbows): 2 x 12-15 (short rest)

Day 2:
Pec Deck (pushing with the elbows): 3 x 10
Incline Bench(or hammer if u wish): 3 x 8
Cable Crossovers: 2 x 12-15 (short rest)

Epic mass building routine!!!!!!  Cool Cool Cool On day 1 emphasis is on pushing exercises and strength. Majority of focus is in the 6-8 rep range. Day 2, u start out with pec deck to emphasise hypertrophy over strength. Here the focus is on the 8-10 rep range. Just my 2 cents.
8371  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Logs and Info / Re: Haider's Training Journal on: February 09, 2007, 07:27:53 PM
Wednesday, Feb 7
Lower RE:
Rack Deadlifts (from below kneecap)*:
185 x 5 (double overhand)
245 x 5 (double overhand)
295 x 3 (over-under)
360 x 3 (over-under)
420 x 3  (double overhand w/ straps)  more than I've done before but not really a PR
Speed Parallel Box Squats (to a bench):
6 sets w/ 165-175
Parallel Sqts (medium-wide stance):
170 x 8
210 x 8
250 x 8
190 x 20   Cool
Nautilus Kneeling Leg Curls (unilateral) <alternated with> Leg lifts (straight-legged):
80 x 10 <alt. w/> BW+20 x 11
80 x 10 <alt. w/> BW+15 x 12
1-legged Db Sqts :
65's x 8  Shocked

*Deadlifts are completely reset for each rep.

Enjoyable workout upto the leg curls. By then I just wanted to get the fvck out of there. Wasted too much time... I think Im gonna have to start timing my rest periods again Grin Rack pulls were pretty smooth, better than I expected atleast. Next time I'm gonna put on 20 more lbs on that bar, and see what that is like. This time I don't wanna stay on the same exercises for more than 3-4 weeks so I'm gonna put an effort into moving the weights up much faster. Quads took a real beating from this workout, as they were sore already after the workout within a couple of hours. Ofcourse, my ass and hamstrings were also sore from the 1-legged sqts. Those hit the whole thigh and glutes hard. (no, not in that way nordic fag... Grin)
8372  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Those STRANGE Intensemuscle.com Trainees! on: February 07, 2007, 04:34:05 PM
IMO, Rack Chins are a very useful movement for those who can't do regular Chinups. This way the beginner or fat person doesn't have to resort to the inferior Lat Pulldowns. I think eventually the goal with these should be to improve Chinup strength so one is able to do it with bodyweight. Otherwise it's a waste of time.
8373  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Logs and Info / Re: Haider's Training Journal on: February 07, 2007, 04:10:25 PM
Hey bro, dont overdue the shoulder!!

Whats ur thoughts on the BB curl back against the wall, Iv been stuck on weight for BB curl, i get my rep target, then wen i up it even by 2 1/2 kg's, i can only get 8 wen i rock more, its weird. was gonna switch 1 Bicep exercise to Db curls, but might drop the weight, change straight bar for ez-curl bar and put back against wall?!

Wen u do them do u have legs benct or u bolt upright??

davie
Thanks for the comments davie. I would say you should switch your bicep exercise to something else, then rotate back to BB curls against the wall. Db's are def a good alternative, especially incline db curls for bicep mass.

I do the BB curls with my feet abt a half step away from the wall. This allows me to rest my back on the wall without my arse getting in the way Grin I use a straight bar because I feel them way better in the biceps than when I use the EZ-curl bar.
8374  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: someon quick on: February 07, 2007, 04:01:56 PM
ure trying to build more width or thickness?
8375  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Where is the Pictures of Members board???????????? on: February 07, 2007, 02:26:04 AM
Its a child board now for general topics. Doesnt make any sense.
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