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8351  Getbig Main Boards / General Topics / Re: Fun little encryption. Hidden message for the regulars. Please crack this. FUN. on: February 12, 2007, 09:55:36 AM
Yaroni = byuy    Huh
I think,

yaroni = nice
8352  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Pictures of Members & More / Re: "ULTRA GAINIGHER" new wadders video!!! evil lifting on: February 11, 2007, 01:03:42 PM
So fvckin weird. The music makes it even creepier. Good work!  Wink
8353  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Logs and Info / Re: Haider's Training Journal on: February 10, 2007, 11:24:48 PM
Saturday, Feb 10:
Upper ME:
Flat Bench Press:       
95 x 10
135 x 5
175 x 3
205 x 2     WTF   Angry
200 x 3     Better.
Free-weight T-bar Rows(using 25 lb plates):
135 x 6
100 x 12
Neutral-grip* Incline Db Presses:   (2:00)    (new)
60's x 8
60's x 8
60's x 8
Super-strict Wide-grip Pullups** <supersetted with> Strict Wide-grip Pullups***:   (2:00)
BW x 5 <ss> BW x 5
------  <ss> BW x 7
1-arm A-trainer Cable Flies(only right arm):    (Double Pulley)
20 x 6
15 x 6 -DS- 10 x 4
Decline Tricep Ext (w/ a pause):  (2:00)     
85 x 12
85 x 9
Incline Db Curls <supersetted with> Hammer Curls:  (2:00)
30's x 12 <ss> 30's x 4
30's x 11 <ss> 30's x 4 (sloppy)

* Neutral-grip = Palms facing each other
** Very strict with next to no arm involvement.
*** With arm involvement

wow, I really really really suck at benching. I need some help here, probably tips on better form. I was VERY disappointed at not being able to get the 205 lift. That motivated me more to get the 200 but it was still very discouraging. But getting the 200 gave me enough of a boost to keep going with the workout. T-bars were a surprise, cause I thought I could get the 8 reps. Didn't really like the neutral grip db presses.... shoulders were burning after that but no pump in chest. I'll give the exercise some time though, cuz a lot of times ur body needs to get a chance to feel the movement out and the pumps also get better as u progress up in weight. Strong on triceps today, a welcome surprise ofcourse. No progression on the curls though.

8354  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Shawn Ray knew how to train!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on: February 10, 2007, 09:27:20 PM
This sort of mindset would never drive a man to a 525Lb bench press
His superior mind muscle connection makes 225 seem like 500. So waht makes you think he couldnt have benched 235 pounds with an equal amount of mind muscle connection?  Angry
8355  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Logs and Info / Re: Haider's Training Journal on: February 09, 2007, 11:09:43 PM
Nice journal.... a little unconventional in your choices of excercises but it seems to be working..... keep it up!!
Thank man, your kind comments are greatly appreaciatted!   Cool  Smiley
8356  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: Help with Chest on: February 09, 2007, 10:59:51 PM
I am trying to bring up my chest.... I was thinking of doing the following what do you guys think...... hitting chest twice per week

Bench Press 4 working sets
Incline press 4 working sets
Flys 3 working sets
Wide grip weighted dips 3 sets

Then Thursday
Incline hammer strength 4 sets
flat hammer 3 sets
incline fly 3 sets
cable crossovers 3 sets

What do you guys think?

IMO thats too much volume, atleast the workload seems to be too much. I'd do a heavy day, and a lighter day.

Day 1:
Bench Press: Ramp upto 5 rep max (over 5 sets)
Low Incline Db: 3 x 6-8
Dips: 1-2 x 8
Pec Deck (pushing with the elbows): 2 x 12-15 (short rest)

Day 2:
Pec Deck (pushing with the elbows): 3 x 10
Incline Bench(or hammer if u wish): 3 x 8
Cable Crossovers: 2 x 12-15 (short rest)

Epic mass building routine!!!!!!  Cool Cool Cool On day 1 emphasis is on pushing exercises and strength. Majority of focus is in the 6-8 rep range. Day 2, u start out with pec deck to emphasise hypertrophy over strength. Here the focus is on the 8-10 rep range. Just my 2 cents.
8357  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Logs and Info / Re: Haider's Training Journal on: February 09, 2007, 07:27:53 PM
Wednesday, Feb 7
Lower RE:
Rack Deadlifts (from below kneecap)*:
185 x 5 (double overhand)
245 x 5 (double overhand)
295 x 3 (over-under)
360 x 3 (over-under)
420 x 3  (double overhand w/ straps)  more than I've done before but not really a PR
Speed Parallel Box Squats (to a bench):
6 sets w/ 165-175
Parallel Sqts (medium-wide stance):
170 x 8
210 x 8
250 x 8
190 x 20   Cool
Nautilus Kneeling Leg Curls (unilateral) <alternated with> Leg lifts (straight-legged):
80 x 10 <alt. w/> BW+20 x 11
80 x 10 <alt. w/> BW+15 x 12
1-legged Db Sqts :
65's x 8  Shocked

*Deadlifts are completely reset for each rep.

Enjoyable workout upto the leg curls. By then I just wanted to get the fvck out of there. Wasted too much time... I think Im gonna have to start timing my rest periods again Grin Rack pulls were pretty smooth, better than I expected atleast. Next time I'm gonna put on 20 more lbs on that bar, and see what that is like. This time I don't wanna stay on the same exercises for more than 3-4 weeks so I'm gonna put an effort into moving the weights up much faster. Quads took a real beating from this workout, as they were sore already after the workout within a couple of hours. Ofcourse, my ass and hamstrings were also sore from the 1-legged sqts. Those hit the whole thigh and glutes hard. (no, not in that way nordic fag... Grin)
8358  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Those STRANGE Trainees! on: February 07, 2007, 04:34:05 PM
IMO, Rack Chins are a very useful movement for those who can't do regular Chinups. This way the beginner or fat person doesn't have to resort to the inferior Lat Pulldowns. I think eventually the goal with these should be to improve Chinup strength so one is able to do it with bodyweight. Otherwise it's a waste of time.
8359  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Logs and Info / Re: Haider's Training Journal on: February 07, 2007, 04:10:25 PM
Hey bro, dont overdue the shoulder!!

Whats ur thoughts on the BB curl back against the wall, Iv been stuck on weight for BB curl, i get my rep target, then wen i up it even by 2 1/2 kg's, i can only get 8 wen i rock more, its weird. was gonna switch 1 Bicep exercise to Db curls, but might drop the weight, change straight bar for ez-curl bar and put back against wall?!

Wen u do them do u have legs benct or u bolt upright??

Thanks for the comments davie. I would say you should switch your bicep exercise to something else, then rotate back to BB curls against the wall. Db's are def a good alternative, especially incline db curls for bicep mass.

I do the BB curls with my feet abt a half step away from the wall. This allows me to rest my back on the wall without my arse getting in the way Grin I use a straight bar because I feel them way better in the biceps than when I use the EZ-curl bar.
8360  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: someon quick on: February 07, 2007, 04:01:56 PM
ure trying to build more width or thickness?
8361  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Where is the Pictures of Members board???????????? on: February 07, 2007, 02:26:04 AM
Its a child board now for general topics. Doesnt make any sense.
8362  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Logs and Info / Re: Haider's Training Journal on: February 06, 2007, 11:08:13 PM
Monday, Feb 5
Upper RE:
Speed Flat Bench:
Multiple sets using various grips with 95-115
Clean and Presses: 
65 x 5
85 x 5
105 x 5
125 x 5
95 x 12 (Standing Military Press.. clean on first rep only)
1-arm A-Trainer Flies (no rest): (Single pulley)
#1 x 5
#1 x 5
#1 x 5
#1 x 4
Hammer-grip Pulldowns:
#11 x 8
#12 x 8
#12 x 8
Cybex Incline Chest Press (1:30):
100 x 10 (wide grip)
150 x 10 (wide grip)
150 x 8 (close-grip)
BB Curls (1:30):    (back resting on wall)
60 x 8
60 x 8
60 x 8
Close Grip Incline Bench Press:
135 x 8
125 x 7
115 x 7
Decline Pullovers (with EZ-curl bar):
65 x 12
70 x 12
85 x 10

Long workout but good nevertheless. Shoulder was bothering me right from the beginning, then the bitchass thing really started to hurt when I doing flies. I adjusted my arm placement and it stopped bothering me. However, after I got done with pulldowns my other shoulder started bothering me  Angry My rear delt got tight so I tried stretching out and whatever and kept going with my workout. Its crazy how much harder the BB Curls are with your back against the wall. Triceps were really pumped, especially after I was done with the pullovers. Seemed like I did too many pushing exercises this workout though. I dunno where to balance out though, maybe I'll add 2 sets of a rowing movement and do only one set of pullovers.
8363  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: How many hours a week do you spend lifting wieghts ?? on: February 05, 2007, 05:59:44 PM
Weight training: 3 sessions, approx 1.5-2 hrs each so 4.5-6 hrs.

Cardio: 2 sessions a week, if that. 30 min sessions. so an hour there.

Total: 5-7 hrs  Shocked

I dont even study half that many hrs, and Im a full time college student. Yikes.
8364  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Logs and Info / Re: Haider's Training Journal on: February 05, 2007, 05:33:24 PM
I like your journal. You should definetely get better results than I did from HIT.  Wink

You use very interesting exercises. Some of which sound fun. What's the benefit of a sumo deadlift?
haha thanks bro, appreciate the comments! I just used the sumo deadlift as an exercise to hit my hamstrings and lower back, much like good mornings(I;m doing sldl's now as a replacement). Now I'm realising how good this exercise really is.. it destroyed my lower back and hamstrings liek Ive never felt before.

Another side benefit of more frequent training is muscle soreness is much reduced, compared with hitting a bodypart once a week.
This is true, the body does tend to "untrain" itself within a span of a week, I think this might be a reason for the severe soreness with split training programs. Plus I'm sure the added volume all in one day adds to the soreness too.

I know ur main goal is strength bro, but have u added size at all?!

Yes bro, although I could have gained better with more calories in my diet. I mentioned before that my quads and arms especially grew well. Back and shoulder width are strong points for me, though I'd like more shapely shoulders and a more detailed upper back. I'm sure that has a lot to do with my bf% though. No worries.
8365  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: yo haider...difference between shia and sunni??? on: February 04, 2007, 02:12:06 PM
The practice is called Mut'a whereby a man is allowed to marry a woman for an agreed amount of time (and money), during which the man is NOT financially responsible for the wife.  Shocked 
I think if theyre gonna beat em selves to death, let 'em. Idiots. They proly go running to fvckin government hospitals too, wasting our resources for their own stupidity. bitches.
8366  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: yo haider...difference between shia and sunni??? on: February 04, 2007, 01:55:51 PM
hahaha I know I shouldnt be laughing at this but the rubbing alcohol part got me crackin Grin I have never personally witnessed maatam, neither do I really want to actually. Actually, I think it is even forbidden in sunni Islam to practice this. A little remorse, and then get on with life... just like after the Prophets(PBUH) death. I don't know too much about the temproray marraiges either, but you are right, they are approved of by the shia. I can look it up real quick though.
8367  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: yo haider...difference between shia and sunni??? on: February 04, 2007, 01:48:05 PM
What hedgehog said.. it was a purely political difference to start with. Now its developed more into like a seperate sect, with their rituals and such. I dont know too much about some of the other differences in the belief structure, but they do exist. I'd expect you to know more about this, considering you come from karachi where a lot of shia sunni conflict has existed in the recent past. Personally, I couldnt care less for them. I see religion as more of a personal belief and relationship with God, so none of this political crap. Don't care for rituals either, espcially some of the "out there" stuff like corporal mortification.
8368  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: TA why is there no god? on: February 03, 2007, 08:10:59 PM
i have no problem answering questions, however it might be a bit long.

the first question is hard to answer. ill try though. if there was a god, an all powerful perfect creature why would he create? if you say to admire work, children etc that is saying that god has needs hence he is not perfect. so i beleive this question is the paramount. so logically (this comes from haish's book, the god theory(zero point fields)) and some of the book conversations with god that god creates because his purpose is to create/exist. everything has a contingency a reason(aquinas) gods is for anything to exist, he is necessary to exsist and his essence is too exist. however, being perfect and infinite you cannot experience yourself, polarity black/white male/female is needed for you to experience something. you know you exist becasue of the internal reality vs external. therefore the purpose of us is for god to experience himself. he creates us to experience realty, we are god. we are the body but not the god head. there is a difference. we are not the ultimate perfection but the manifest inperfection that is needed for experience.

perfection cannot experience itself only imperfection. infinite cannot experience itself only finite. therefore from everything god created this something.

this fits with multiverse theory, many universes equals more experiences and gradual evolution. everything both matter and consciousnous is experience.

now, back to is god important in my life? to be honest im not done forming my opinion. however, god cares about himself therefore cares about me. but morality tends to lead me to believe that god has a reason for the creation or experience, morality is gods way of telling us how to live, what is correct. through the creation he experiences himself but morality shows me that there is a purpose for this experience.

now from some physics the universe is really just all one thing,everything is connected(entanglment) this again shows me there is one reality, one chief thing(god) that there is only god. however, im not buddhist.

i pray but i dont have any particular practices that i do to aid beleif.

the rules i follow are simple, i do the right things. morality has given us an internal sense of right and wrong. when i see someone looking for some money for food, everyone knows when they pass by you justify the reason for not helping etc, there is dissonance. i just try to do what would or should be right.

i also draw some of my stuff from parapsychology because psychology is what my education is in. the messages from ndes all over the world are always oneness, and love, and purpose. i beleive love is one of the goals of life. i do actually beleive in alot of what jesus said/did.

my views havent been completely finished cemented yet. im still reading and trying to answer questions.

ive read alot of books and articles on religion,science etc and that is were my ideas come from. ive really just taken the best principles and the most logical ideas from alot of more intelligent people and tried to integrate them.

sorry for the clusterfuck of ideas the question is hard to answer without me going into alot more information.

there are reasons i beleive in divinity, if you want i can list some of them. any other questions or objections let em fly. im open to new ideas, because mine arent finished yet.

appreciatte the long reply bro, sorry couldnt get to it earlier. Definitely learned some new things here- some stuff seemed vague but after carefully re reading I think I have grabbed on to most of the stuff. I'll definitely have more questions later! Thanks.
8369  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Q&A / Re: Deadlifting when dieting on: February 03, 2007, 07:18:10 PM
I'd say no, because deadlifting isnt necessary as a bodybuilding exercise but at the same time is the most straining on the CNS. I'd say you should spare yourself the extra headache of having to recover from deadlifting in a dieted state. It's not like you're gonna be (or trying to) packin on any mass these weeks before the contest anyway.
8370  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce on: February 03, 2007, 01:00:18 AM
hey dipshit, there aren't any seated bench press machines onstage.
8371  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Logs and Info / Re: Haider's Training Journal on: February 02, 2007, 08:58:48 PM
Friday, Feb 2
Lower ME:
Parallel Box Squats w/ a pause (to a bench):   
135 x 5
185 x 5
225 x 3
265 x 3
285 x 3
235 x 8
Sumo SLDL's (using 25 lb plates):
145 x 5
195 x 5
245 x 5
265 x 5
295 x 5
Cybex Leg Press (sled):       (new)
2 plates x 10
4 plates x 10
5 plates x 10
6 plates x 10
Speed Deadlifts:
4-5 sets w/ 245
Power Shrugs(deadlifted from the ground)*: (1:00)
245 x 7 (double overhand)
245 x 7 (double overhand)
245 x 7 (double overhand)
275 x 12 (double overhand w/ straps)
100 x 10
100 x 7 

*Grip training, reps till grip gives out
**Done with a loaded barbell held in hands

Good workout, only had one meal in me prior to it so I had a sobe drink to give me a boost. The box squats are harder than I expected, and I know that has to do with the pause on the bottom that eleiminates all momentum. The Sumo SLDL's hit the lower back VERY NICELY as well. These feel so much more comfortable on the lower back than convential deads, its amazing.
    Couldn't make up my mind on what leg exercise to do after the SLDL's so I took my friends suggestion and tried out the leg press. It was surprisingly easy even with a full ROM. Maybe I should try moving my feet down the platform a bit more, tell me what u guys think.
     Grip was surprisingly strong today with the power shrugs so I was happy about that. The hyper extensions were harder than I thought, so I will be reducing the weight on those to probably around 80 pounds next time. To those who havent given these type of hyperextensions a try, you should definitely try it. Not only can u add much mroe weight, its also 10 times more comfortable than holding on to 45 lb plates or a Dumbell.

8372  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Logs and Info / Re: Haider's Training Journal on: February 02, 2007, 08:32:10 PM
Yes, I definitely think this type of training yeilds better results, in part because you're hitting the muscle more freqeuntly. It is important to note that the muscle recovers within 48 hrs of it being trained, so waiting a whole week to train it again is NOT optimal for muscle gains. Obliterating the muscle in one workout is unnecessary. Rather than doing that, spreading the sets over mutiple workouts during the week is more efficient. You see, the biggest factor here (for hypertrophy) is muscle stimuli, the more frequently your muscle receives it, the better (given that you are getting appropriatte rest).

However, my mindset and my routine are centered more around strength training. There are bodybuilding exercises I do, and higher rep ranges I use, but these are done later in the workout. All the heavy 3-5 rm sets, speed sets, "special" accesory exercises(for ex Good Mornings), rotation of exercises, etc are all done in an effort to keep my numbers increasing on the Big Three.
8373  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Logs and Info / Re: Haider's Training Journal on: February 01, 2007, 06:59:16 PM
Wednesday, Jan 31:
Upper ME:
Flat Bench Press:       
95 x 10
135 x 5
165 x 3
195 x 3
Free-weight T-bar Rows(using 25 lb plates):     (new)
25 x 9
50 x 8
100 x 8
125 x 8..... found the good weight
Neutral-grip* Flat Db Presses:       (new)
50's x 10
60's x 10
Wide-grip "Feel" Pullups**:    (new)
BW x 8
BW x 5
1-arm A-trainer Cable Flies(only right arm):    (Single Pulley)
1st pin x 10
1st pin x 5
OH Db Extensions:
70 x 12
Decline Tricep Ext (w/ a pause):       (new)
85 x 7
75 x 12

* Neutral-grip = Palms facing each other
** "Feel" Pullups = Very strict with next to no arm involvement.

Was not feeling the best today but I needed to get started. Went low on volume, basically went by how I felt. Satisfied with what I got on Bench given the circumstances. next week I will up that 10 pounds. Did T-bars for the first time ever and I loved them. Looking forward to piling on more plates on these, atleast another 25 lb plate I hope in the next few weeks. Neutral grip db presses were ok, much harder than regular grip though. The reason for doing the "feel" pullups is that I feel they hit my middle back pretty hard. Lower back, triceps and chest are sore today. Will hit some iso's for shoulders later and maybe even some light cardio.
8374  Getbig Main Boards / General Topics / Re: Do you trust women? (women from your family does not apply to this Q) on: February 01, 2007, 05:53:05 PM
It's always the quiet ones with the good eyes, standing in the corner.
... the studly engineering kind. I get it  Cool
8375  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Training Logs and Info / Re: Haider's Training Journal on: February 01, 2007, 04:26:52 PM
Thanks for your comments guys. While I find them well intentioned, and I do agree with them to a certain extent, I think you guys are mistaken. I did NOT choose declines as a pec developer on this routine. I only picked it as a Max Effort exercise, which is solely used to increase my strength in bench pressing. I would probably never use Barbell Declines as a "pec developing" exercise, although much of the bad rap the exercise gets is unfounded.

I have now switched back to Flat Bench for my Max Effort exercise. After spending 2-3 mroe weeks on it I will switch to some other bench pressing exercise like Incline's, Floor press, CG Bench, etc etc. I will probably go for Incline's next.
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