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Getbig Main Boards / General Topics / Re: Ruby Ridge and Waco.....
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on: August 30, 2006, 10:00:01 PM
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I think perhaps McCain is the LEAST evil of all the major candidates.
Gore was in on everything with Clinton. Clinton was in on everythng with Clinton. Well, I'm not sure Clinton was in on everything with Clinton. clearly there were some thiings she didn't know  Kerry and Bush are practically brothers. Research it.
On the repub side... Condi was the #3 man on 9/11 and personally called mayor Willi Broen of San Fran and told him not to fly on 9/11. Rudy sold the 911 crime scene to China 3 hours after the first plane hit and shipped it overseas with zero invesitgation
I don't know what McCain has done yet.
I'm personally rather leery of McCain, however that's based on my gut instincts. I think he's a nice enough guy, strikes me as a little weak & pliable, ...but no biggie. My biggest reservation about McCain has to do with his status as a former Vietnam POW. When I couple what I know about MK-Ultra and the ability to fracture and compartmentalize the brain, ...I'm cautious of a head-of-state who has been subjected to torture. Won't go into a long explainantion, just rent "The Manchurian Candidate" to give you a rough idea
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Getbig Main Boards / General Topics / Re: Ruby Ridge and Waco.....
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on: August 30, 2006, 09:36:39 PM
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For the record- I believed from minute one that clinton was an evil human being. The body count, the lies, the ability to selectively enforce policy, and of course, the false self-attacks that happened on his dime.
And for the record- I used to be a huge Bush fan. My truck? Bush sticker and shotgun rack. My computer? Lots of conservative online radio and bush stickers everywhere. I had bush t-shirts. I got people to vote for him. I would debate dems until they cracked. I stayed up all night during both elections to see the results. I supported the war, I gave to charities, I wore my USA pin. I hated bin laden. I loved my president.
Since I've learned that 911 was a staged attack- and I've spend 4 hours a day for 6 months now studying it - I KNOW it was a staged attack - my feelings have changed. I'm not a treehugging pussy who always hated repubs. It took a LOT to convince me. Now that I know, I don't have a party. Bush killed 3000 people to get us into war. It's as simple as that. If you don't believe that, you haven't researched it. Spend a few weeks reading and the truth will come to you.
So I'm not pro-clinton or pro-bush. I have no party.
If you hated Bill, ...you don't even want to experience the emotions Hilary could inspire. I don't have all the facts lined up at the moment, ...however, the common consensus from those more in the know than I, (as relayed to me back in 1991 before Bill even became president) is that Hilary is extraordinarily high up in the chain-of-command. Far more powerful than Bill ever was, and that the path was being paved for her to eventually become President. To give a really, really, really simple analogy. You don't get to be President in the US unless you're a secret member of the boy scouts. Well, Bill was the charismatic cub scout with 2 merit badges, (while Queen Elizabeth has 50 badges), ...but Hilary is the scout with 3,457 merit badges, ...but she was a chick, and the country wasn't yet ready for that. Notwithstanding imo, she'd be preferable to any member of PNAC or their protogees. I think those guys are absolutely, utterly, deranged madmen.
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Getbig Main Boards / General Topics / Re: A pregnant man?
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on: August 30, 2006, 06:34:38 PM
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Wow STella, Is that the correct date on the article, ...cause if it is, abc news is rehashing old stories. I first saw this story 3 years ago. The surgeon thought he had a tumour and freaked out when he reached in a felt a hand. 
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Getbig Main Boards / General Topics / Re: Ahmedinejad challenges Bush to a live TV debate.
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on: August 30, 2006, 01:29:32 AM
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I'm not. but I wanted to make it clear that I don't question what happened on 911 because I like to bash Bush, or because I disagree with the war.
I question what happened because of the evidence and events of september 11th. I put the war in a different compartment, because I think that when I discuss 911 with someone, I lose credibility if I say "it was just to get us into war..."
The first time I heard 911 was staged, it was from an anti-war guy, so I discounted his belief to "this idiot will do anything to bash this war". So I know how both sides think. I focus on the facts of 9/11 and only the facts. And surprisingly, I have converted quite a few nonbelievers. Some people would deny it even if they read a handwritten confession from the President. But many in the middle just want to see the facts and make their own judgment.
Sorry for accusing you of forgetting about the soldiers. That was out of line and far too presumptive of me. I see your logic which makes perfect sense. Most people not happy with the war feel that way as a result of 911 so yes it is a steady progression, however, not one that many are able to make overnight. Q) How do you eat an elephant? A) One bite at a time 
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Getbig Main Boards / General Topics / Re: I am here.
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on: August 30, 2006, 01:21:07 AM
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I don't know actually, there's more weight and facts behind this conspiracy than some of your others!  You know about the cloud seeders too? 
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Getbig Main Boards / General Topics / Re: I am here.
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on: August 30, 2006, 01:20:23 AM
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This year the "J" hurricane is gonna be female. I hope they name it Hurricane Judi. I've never had a hurricane named after me before. It might be kind of neat 
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Getbig Main Boards / General Topics / Re: Do u think the CIA might have created islamic fundamentalism in afghanistan...
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on: August 30, 2006, 01:16:34 AM
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The bottom line remains Afghanistan was legitimately a communist country. The Soviets went in to quell unrest. The fact that your government supported & financed terrorists bent on destroying & destabilizing a country is not good. So the stingers made a difference as a result of subversive interference and meddling into the affairs of others. And the Soviet Union became mired in debt, resulting in it's eventual collapse. Bravo. Had the Soviets still been around, such reckless foolhardiness on the part of your government wouldn't have taken place, ...and your butt might be stateside right now sipping a cold beer and taking in a Patriots game. Now it's looking like the same mucky quicksand the Soviets were trapped in, as a result of subversive meddling by a bunch of psychopathic madmen and the puppet they control, is about to swallow the Coalition of the willing as well. Blow back is a bitch huh? Anyway, I truly don't want to get into this with you at all. You're over there, do your job, keep your head down, dodge the IEDs, and hopefully get home soon.
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Getbig Main Boards / General Topics / Re: Ahmedinejad challenges Bush to a live TV debate.
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on: August 29, 2006, 10:57:37 PM
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you guys should check out some of the 'conspiracy' boards. it's incredible. There are hundreds of people who have made it their life's work to spread the truth about what happened on 9/11. There are thousands who do nothing but copy dvds of the events and distribute them on campuses, malls, etc. There are hundreds of thousands who spend time on line debating and converting people, and there are millions who believe.
Me, I *really* want to believe the official 911 story. It scares the hell out of me when I see the evidence of an "inside Job". It saddens me, it worries me, and I pray it's not true.
But I'm afraid the evidence very strongly points to an inside job. The warnings and behaviors before the day, the events of the day, and the covering up since then. it's reaching some incredible levels - politicians are running for office now, on 911 Truth platforms (calling for a new investigation).
This has nothing to do with the war. This has to do with dead Americans and the very strong possibility that some in our govt knew, or helped it happen. And anyone who knew was guilty of treason - they abandoned their duty to protect and let people die.
I pray that it's not... but sadly, I know that it is.
Don't kid yourself 240. This is also about the war. The ones who died on 911 aren't the only dead Americans. There are more dead Americans as a result of the war than died on 911. All lives are just as valid, and all died because of lies told both to Congress and the American people. And countless thousands dead who are not Americans is also a factor, along with the ill will & animosity it has engendered around the world is... well, certainly not the best state of affairs. It's not just about those in the twin towers or in the pentagon. Don't forget the soldiers.
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Getbig Main Boards / General Topics / Re: Ahmedinejad challenges Bush to a live TV debate.
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on: August 29, 2006, 10:31:16 PM
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I understand what you're saying about the rhetoric.
But I really want to know what he wants to tell Americans.
Chances are, our media isn't touching it. And when he was interviewed by Mike Wallace, he nearly converted him to a supporter. I find it hard to believe that a lifetime media guy would 1) fall for the BS, and 2) make himself a potential joke by admitting it.
I want to hear the dirt he has on our govt, and proof he has of this.
Wasn't it Mike Wallace who on 9/11, as the twin towers were coming down on national television, proclaimed: "Wow, that looks just like controlled demolition"?
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Getbig Main Boards / General Topics / Re: president of iran
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on: August 29, 2006, 10:24:07 PM
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Nothing like being a terrorist sympathizer....right Jag?
Who is a terrorist sympathizer. I've made it clear I neither support nor condone terrorism. Does the fact that I prefer to declare people terrorists based on actual terrorist acts they committed rather than based on the say so of a known liar & terrorist make me a terrorist sympathizer? Is this thread not about the president of Iran? Are you now saying he is a terrorist, ...and if so why? Is it because he opposes President Bush's plans for Iran? Has it come to this, anyone not agreeing with Bush or his plans is a terrorist? ...like when his Secretary of Education called 'The National Education Association' (NEA) ... "a terrorist organization". How about all the librarians he pissed off, ...were they terrorists too, ...or just terrorist sympathizers?  BTW - I last guy I heard about that vindictively leveled that charge against an innocent person got jail time. You ready to risk it?
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Getbig Main Boards / General Topics / Re: Finger Condoms?
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on: August 29, 2006, 09:43:52 PM
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The first time I saw one of those, it was in the salad of the person at the next table in the restaurant. I didn't know it was worn on the finger, and neither did the woman who's salad it was in either. 
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Getbig Main Boards / General Topics / Re: Ahmedinejad challenges Bush to a live TV debate.
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on: August 29, 2006, 08:35:39 PM
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My guess is that the man who runs iran has a lot of information on what all we've been doing over there. If he were to have the ear of the people, and deliver some statements - with complete evidence - and CNN wasn't able to sanitize it, Bush might be in some serious shit.
Not just Bush Jr., but Bush Sr., Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice etc. etc. etc. No one in his cabinet would be spared. These are the same guys who negotiated with Iran to stall the release of the American embassy hostages during the Carter administration to ensure the Republicans won the election, and then release the hostages AFTER Reagan took office to solidify his image as a tough cowboy who could lead America back to prosperity ...the same ones who were running things under Reagan & Bush, back when the Iran / Iraq war was going on, ...the same ones who secretly supplied Iraq, while at the same time supplied Iran, exascerbating & prolonging the battle, ...and they are the same ones who ratified the payments of billions & billions of dollars to Iran in restitution for alot of their shenanigans over there. Restitution paid by American taxpayer dollars (although I understand they're a little behind on the payments). Why do you suppose the Skull & Crossbones society use that as an emblem, sleep in coffins, and meet in a windowless tomb? Hmmm... could it be because they've got too many damned skeletons in the closet?
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Getbig Main Boards / General Topics / Re: Ahmedinejad challenges Bush to a live TV debate.
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on: August 29, 2006, 07:51:43 PM
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If Ahmed lies, then Bush can present evidence that he is lying and he will be pwned for the world to see.
There's a reason that the man wants no censorship when speaking to the American people.
Bush is afraid that iran's leader is gonna drop that little secret...
{ROTFLMAO} Which one? there's quite a few of 'em!
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Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Bill Kristol Suggests People of Iran Would Embrace U.S. Attack
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on: August 29, 2006, 07:40:01 PM
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meh jag..i'm an American and i LOVE the freedom this country has given us..which practically makes it my job to point out its flaws {sigh} Yes we do discipline those we love don't we. Maybe it's just me, but I've always found it easier to wake up in the mornng when gently caressed awake, as opposed to a slap in the face in a nerve jangling fashion. ...but that's just me. I agree some methods are more effective for others. ....the education standard needs to go up here..the soccer mums need to stop...and the whole " dont spank your kids" needs be put to rest..segregate the friggin classroom...and KIDS WILL PAY MORE ATTENTION AND DO BETTER.
I gotta agree with you there. My sister choose an all girls college run by nuns  But ya gotta have good teachers. Without that, there is no improvement. I kinda disagree on the whole spanking thing, ...but then again... I don't have any kids of my own, but I've always been successful with them without having to spank. ive had my ephaphany for the day 
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