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1  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Michael Brown's funeral: Mourners urge Black Americans to take action! on: Today at 10:20:07 AM
I'm not positing anything.  I post something interesting, like a study, and wait to see how people react.  What does the study have to do with whether I'm racist?   I'm not involved in the study at all.  The easiest thing to do is dismiss the studies as racist because one is uncomfortable with the findings or claim they are absolutely true without question.  Both approaches are inherently dishonest.

OK, I'll bite.

When you post results of a study that seem to suggest that blacks are innately mentally inferior to whites after posting numerous criticisms of black culture and behavior, it suggests that you are either racist or deliberately making racist posts in an attempt to troll.  How is that unreasonable?

That I would guess that you're mostly trolling seems to be almost charitable on my part, lol. 

And, dude, for a guy who's complained that others lack self-awareness you seem to be trying to pass yourself off as someone who's wearing mental blinders or something.  Seems unlikely to me is all.

 
2  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Legalized Marijuana and the Crime Question on: Today at 10:05:45 AM
3  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Michael Brown's funeral: Mourners urge Black Americans to take action! on: Today at 09:35:58 AM
You still haven't proven I'm a pro-rape misogynist.  You should back that up first.  You've had many chances. You made the accusation, backed off when challenged and then start spewing the accusation again.  That makes you a coward who doesn't have enough personal integrity and conviction to stand by his comments.   You folded and that makes you the weak one.  Doesn't it?

What am I saying that is racist?  What about it is racist?  Come on, give it a try. 

You trying to say that we can't both be weak?  LOL

Look, I take back my pro-rape misogynist accusation.  It may have been completely wrong and, in any case, was made prematurely without enough evidence.  So, I apologize.  (Probably, in the interest of accuracy, I should have just made a comment about your post being insensitive -- if I said anything.)

C'mon, Archer, you are familiar enough with what others think to realize that when you start positing that blacks may be innately mentally inferior it will be interpreted as racist writing, aren't you? 

If not, please give me your definition (from anywhere) as to what objectionable racism is to you and I'll make an effort to really answer your question.
4  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Black man telling it like it is. At the same timeslapping the snot out of black on: Today at 09:29:02 AM
Fear of ones safety puts one on high alert.  Why don't the officers and the community engage in an honest dialogue?  Not a monologue where the community spends the entire time vilifying the police but a dialogue where both sides acknowledge they both have problems and find a reasonable solution.

What sort of dialogue?   Who would represent both sides? 

Probably feasible to have worthwhile representatives of the Police but what about for the community? 

Seems like it'd be pretty difficult since "the community" is not a club or organization with a defined hierarchy. 

So, no matter what some designated reps for the community would say, the actual people in the street are going to do what they're going to do.
5  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: America, are you ready to take in 1/3 of Mexico? on: Today at 09:13:25 AM
still remember the fucking brainless idiot on here insulting me for saying that there is no reason for a Mexican immigrant to the US celebrating their national pride in Mexico.  they all hate their country.  they all know that their country cannot and will not give them what they need to survive and thrive.  so why all the national pride?  Mexico, as a nation, sucks.  It's awful.  I think that if everyone wants to leave a country, that a pretty decent indicator that those people have no pride in their country.  but that's just me.  national pride begins with ACTUALLY WANTING TO FUCKING LIVE THERE!  PERIOD.  please note that I have no qualm with having and celebrating cultural pride.  TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

my question is, when are we going, as a nation, to start holding the shit show that is the Mexican government responsible for ANY of this?  

I'm a little confused about what you mean by national pride. 

For instance, don't you think it's possible for a US citizen to be a proud of being an American because of our nation's history and yet be so disappointed in the current US gov't administration that he or she wants to get the fuck out, at least temporarily? 

I guess I ask this because there are a lot of US ex-pats in Thailand who are disgusted with the past few administrations but will attempt to box with you (if it's early in the day and they haven't yet had too much to drink, haha) if you accuse them of not being proud Americans.
6  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Michael Brown's funeral: Mourners urge Black Americans to take action! on: Today at 09:03:03 AM
Im hoping to read less passive-aggressive posts by a creepy stalker.  Only you can help.

Yeah, it may well be that you'd prefer a board filled with sycophantic endorsements of the pap that you spew but it's weak of you and just plain dishonest to accuse anyone of stalking you because you get called out for posts that reek of racist trolling. 

If you haven't been trolling, though, and you really believe what you've been writing, then back it up.  The flame-war drama won't be missed by many, I don't think.

Or, continue to act a troll and disregard the thread topic since you now have the attention that every troll desperately wants.

7  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Warren Buffet - Hypocrite on: Today at 08:23:42 AM
Fixed.

You are correct. You never think.

Sometimes I don't, lol. 

No worries, though.  At least you didn't write "queue". 

(And, honestly, for being a 2nd language, your English is super good.)
8  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Obama's significance on: Today at 08:20:40 AM
Not for awhile. I was born and raised in So. Cal. Have two homes here and a business, family, etc. can't just up and leave. Like I said, thank God my son graduates this school year. But, he's a God fearing conservative so no real worries here. Just going to sit back and watch the dumbing down and indoctrination of our youth.

Isn't where you live in SoCal pretty conservative, though, Joe? 

Be careful if you relocate out of state;  By comparison with folks elsewhere, you just might find out that you're actually not that conservative...or that religious, lol.
9  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Racists Libtards, Racists in the Democratic party on: Today at 08:16:41 AM
Another racist libtard who believes he knows what is best for black people.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoJV4phN5V0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoJV4phN5V0</a>

Hmmm, interesting.

Do you really think that a white person who thinks he knows what's best for black people indicates that he's some kind of racist 'tard?

You know, in many cases I'd have to agree with you.
10  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Legalized Marijuana and the Crime Question on: August 26, 2014, 06:57:52 PM
No one factor should be considered in isolation. 

In addition to that, and other side effects (both health and social), we have to consider how things like this will play out if legalization goes nationwide. 

Yeah, true.

Do you really think it'll ever be legalized (even just as medical MJ) in every state?

I'm wondering if it's any kind of legal in any of the states that only sell hard alcohol through ABC stores.  Any idea?
11  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Michael Brown's funeral: Mourners urge Black Americans to take action! on: August 26, 2014, 06:53:21 PM
You derailed another thread to focus on me. 

No, I didn't. 

Really, I'm hoping to read more unlettered conjecture about bell curves and the like. 

Can you help?  lol
12  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Michael Brown's funeral: Mourners urge Black Americans to take action! on: August 26, 2014, 05:54:35 PM
The word fits why not use it.

pertaining to, or characteristic of a person who is a creep; obnoxious; weird.


No worries, be yourself, I say.  Props for using the vernacular of a school girl if that's how ya really feel.

But hey, don't let me derail the thread as if it had just devolved into some racist trolling or something. 

What were you saying about the possibility that blacks are innately inferior again?  LOL
13  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Michael Brown's funeral: Mourners urge Black Americans to take action! on: August 26, 2014, 05:32:11 PM
You're obsessed.   It's creepy

Is that so? 

LOL at a male getbigger telling another man he's "creepy".

Aren't you a little old and of the wrong gender to be using the word "creepy"? 
14  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim on: August 26, 2014, 04:07:38 PM
Everything you said was either embellished or outright false.  Tell the truth.  It's refreshing.  You probably look in the mirror and see Lou Ferrigno.  lol

And reflexively gives himself 20 dollars?
15  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Michael Brown's funeral: Mourners urge Black Americans to take action! on: August 26, 2014, 04:05:35 PM
^^^LOL
16  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Michael Brown's funeral: Mourners urge Black Americans to take action! on: August 26, 2014, 12:00:15 PM
My point exactly. They are not treated bad. But if you listen to Sharpton and Jackson you'd think we were still in the days of slavery.

Yesterday a black cop shot a white kid. Where is the outrage?

Everywhere ain't CA, Coach. 

There isn't any slavery as far as I know but open racism still exists in certain parts of the country. 
As a Californian, it's kind amusing and weird to me, actually -- When I was in Army basic training way back in '83 there was this little white dude from Mississippi who talked real fast who was constantly getting physically fucked with (but not actually being beat down) by the brothers because he seemingly could not stop saying "hebrew".

BTW, if you're talking about that white kid who got shot for non-compliance because he was wearing headphones and didn't hear the cop, there IS outrage about that.  Just not on the scale of the Ferguson thing. 

Check out www.reddit/r/bad_cop_no_donut/ or http://photographyisnotacrime.com/ to maybe get a hint of why many white folks seem to be sympathizing with Ferguson's protestors. 

FWIW, I don't think white guys like me are sympathizing with blacks as much as we're pissed and more than a little concerned about police abuse in general.
17  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ferguson 'victim' has rap sheet, robbed store same morning on: August 26, 2014, 11:48:05 AM
1. I don't know if he wrongfully shot him, or if he justifiably shot him. I suspect no one here does

2. The facts aren't what most protesters are after. They want the officer prosecuted. Anything short of an indictment and conviction will be viewed as a cover up by the man

3. If it is found he wrongfully shot him he should be indicted and go to trial. The punishment should be what the jurors/judge decide based on the totality of the circumstances and facts.

All of this seems fair to me.

You are or were a LEO, right?  I'm assuming you know some/most of the known specifics about this incident. 

Does it seem at all irregular to you in the way it's been handled by the Ferguson and St. Louis Police departments? 

Whether Wison is or isn't in the wrong here, do you think it's fair to say that the Ferguson and St. Louis Police departments suck at dealing with this kind of thing? 
18  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ferguson 'victim' has rap sheet, robbed store same morning on: August 26, 2014, 11:40:42 AM
This says 5'7" 170.  I don't know if that's accurate, but in looking at his picture, I'd peg him at a buck 70 max.

http://www.onecitizenspeaking.com/2014/08/ferguson-police-officer-darren-wilson-hosed-by-black-racists-and-agitators.html

I don't think it says that.  Those stats seem to be for "Frankie Estrada" a perpetrator who beat the shit out the cop who was arresting him in an unrelated incident.  (The article seems to be citing Frankie's unimpressive stats as a way to point out that folks of all sizes are dangerous to cops, I think.)
19  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Legalized Marijuana and the Crime Question on: August 26, 2014, 11:33:38 AM
7 Harmful Side Effects Pot Legalization Has Caused in Colorado
Cully Stimson    / @cullystimson / August 20, 2014

There is more bad news out of Colorado regarding the negative impact of marijuana legalization.

As I reported a few weeks ago, some professors published a peer-reviewed article on the negative social costs to outright legalization. I noted that although overall traffic fatalities in Colorado have gone down since 2007, they went up by 100 percent for operators testing positive for marijuana—from 39 in 2007 to 78 in 2012. (Colorado legalized marijuana for medical usage in 2009, before legalizing marijuana for other uses in 2012.) Furthermore, in 2007, those pot-positive drivers represented only 7 percent of total fatalities in Colorado, but in 2012 they represented 16 percent of total Colorado fatalities.

Now, there is even more proof from Colorado that legalizing pot, as I have argued before, is terrible public policy.

This new report paints an even bleaker picture of what is happening in Colorado since it legalized the possession, sale, and consumption of marijuana.

According to the new report by the Rocky Mountain High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area entitled “The Legalization of Marijuana in Colorado: The Impact,” the impact of legalized marijuana in Colorado has resulted in:

1. The majority of DUI drug arrests involve marijuana and 25 to 40 percent were marijuana alone.

2. In 2012, 10.47 percent of Colorado youth ages 12 to 17 were considered current marijuana users compared to 7.55 percent nationally. Colorado ranked fourth in the nation, and was 39 percent higher than the national average.

3. Drug-related student suspensions/expulsions increased 32 percent from school years 2008-09 through 2012-13, the vast majority were for marijuana violations.

4. In 2012, 26.81 percent of college age students were considered current marijuana users compared to 18.89 percent nationally, which ranks Colorado third in the nation and 42 percent above the national average.

5. In 2013, 48.4 percent of Denver adult arrestees tested positive for marijuana, which is a 16 percent increase from 2008.

6. From 2011 through 2013 there was a 57 percent increase in marijuana-related emergency room visits.

7. Hospitalizations related to marijuana has increased 82 percent since 2008.

The report includes other data about the negative effect of legalizing marijuana in Colorado, including marijuana-related exposure to children, treatment, the flood of marijuana in and out of Colorado, the dangers of pot extraction labs and other disturbing factual trends.

Don’t expect this data to impact the push to legalize pot in Colorado, or elsewhere for that matter. Big pot is big business, and the push to legalize is really all about profit, despite inconvenient facts.

Drug policy should be based on hard science and reliable data. And the data coming out of Colorado points to one and only one conclusion: the legalization of marijuana in the state is terrible public policy.

http://dailysignal.com/2014/08/20/7-harmful-side-effects-pot-legalization-caused-colorado/

None of that seem especially compelling, imo. 

Maybe ol' Cully Stimson from The Heritage Foundation is just a hard-liner when it comes to recreational substances, though. 

Any idea what he thinks about alcohol being legal?:

Oh, wait, lol:  What follows is what he wrote about that issue in Sept 2010:

Unsafe in Any Amount: How Marijuana Is Not Like Alcohol

Marijuana advocates have had some success peddling the notion that marijuana is a “soft” drug, similar to alcohol, and fundamentally different from “hard” drugs like cocaine or heroin. It is true that marijuana is not the most dangerous of the commonly abused drugs, but that is not to say that it is safe. Indeed, marijuana shares more in common with the “hard” drugs than it does with alcohol.

A common argument for legalization is that smoking marijuana is no more dangerous than drinking alcohol and that prohibiting the use of marijuana is therefore no more justified than the prohibition of alcohol. As Jacob Sullum, author of Saying Yes: In Defense of Drug Use, writes:


    Americans understood the problems associated with alcohol abuse, but they also understood the problems associated with Prohibition, which included violence, organized crime, official corruption, the erosion of civil liberties, disrespect for the law, and injuries and deaths caused by tainted black-market booze. They decided that these unintended side effects far outweighed whatever harms Prohibition prevented by discouraging drinking. The same sort of analysis today would show that the harm caused by drug prohibition far outweighs the harm it prevents, even without taking into account the value to each individual of being sovereign over his own body and mind.[7]

At first blush, this argument is appealing, especially to those wary of over-regulation by government. But it overlooks the enormous difference between alcohol and marijuana.

Legalization advocates claim that marijuana and alcohol are mild intoxicants and so should be regulated similarly; but as the experience of nearly every culture, over the thousands of years of human history, demonstrates, alcohol is different. Nearly every culture has its own alcoholic preparations, and nearly all have successfully regulated alcohol consumption through cultural norms. The same cannot be said of marijuana. There are several possible explanations for alcohol’s unique status: For most people, it is not addictive; it is rarely consumed to the point of intoxication; low-level consumption is consistent with most manual and intellectual tasks; it has several positive health benefits; and it is formed by the fermentation of many common substances and easily metabolized by the body.

To be sure, there are costs associated with alcohol abuse, such as drunk driving and disease associated with excessive consumption. A few cultures—and this nation for a short while during Prohibition—have concluded that the benefits of alcohol consumption are not worth the costs. But they are the exception; most cultures have concluded that it is acceptable in moderation. No other intoxicant shares that status.

Alcohol differs from marijuana in several crucial respects. First, marijuana is far more likely to cause addiction. Second, it is usually consumed to the point of intoxication. Third, it has no known general healthful properties, though it may have some palliative effects. Fourth, it is toxic and deleterious to health. Thus, while it is true that both alcohol and marijuana are less intoxicating than other mood-altering drugs, that is not to say that marijuana is especially similar to alcohol or that its use is healthy or even safe.

In fact, compared to alcohol, marijuana is not safe. Long-term, moderate consumption of alcohol carries few health risks and even offers some significant benefits. For example, a glass of wine (or other alcoholic drink) with dinner actually improves health.[8] Dozens of peer-reviewed medical studies suggest that drinking moderate amounts of alcohol reduces the risk of heart disease, strokes, gallstones, diabetes, and death from a heart attack.[9] According to the Mayo Clinic, among many others, moderate use of alcohol (defined as two drinks a day) “seems to offer some health benefits, particularly for the heart.”[10] Countless articles in medical journals and other scientific literature confirm the positive health effects of moderate alcohol consumption.

The effects of regular marijuana consumption are quite different. For example, the National Institute on Drug Abuse (a division of the National Institutes of Health) has released studies showing that use of marijuana has wide-ranging negative health effects. Long-term marijuana consumption “impairs the ability of T-cells in the lungs’ immune system to fight off some infections.”[11] These studies have also found that marijuana consumption impairs short-term memory, making it difficult to learn and retain information or perform complex tasks; slows reaction time and impairs motor coordination; increases heart rate by 20 percent to 100 percent, thus elevating the risk of heart attack; and alters moods, resulting in artificial euphoria, calmness, or (in high doses) anxiety or paranoia.[12] And it gets worse: Marijuana has toxic properties that can result in birth defects, pain, respiratory system damage, brain damage, and stroke.[13]

Further, prolonged use of marijuana may cause cognitive degradation and is “associated with lower test scores and lower educational attainment because during periods of intoxication the drug affects the ability to learn and process information, thus influencing attention, concentration, and short-term memory.”[14] Unlike alcohol, marijuana has been shown to have a residual effect on cognitive ability that persists beyond the period of intoxication.[15] According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse, whereas alcohol is broken down relatively quickly in the human body, THC (tetrahydrocannabinol, the main active chemical in marijuana) is stored in organs and fatty tissues, allowing it to remain in a user’s body for days or even weeks after consumption.[16] Research has shown that marijuana consumption may also cause “psychotic symptoms.”[17]

Marijuana’s effects on the body are profound. According to the British Lung Foundation, “smoking three or four marijuana joints is as bad for your lungs as smoking twenty tobacco cigarettes.”[18] Researchers in Canada found that marijuana smoke contains significantly higher levels of numerous toxic compounds, like ammonia and hydrogen cyanide, than regular tobacco smoke.[19] In fact, the study determined that ammonia was found in marijuana smoke at levels of up to 20 times the levels found in tobacco.[20] Similarly, hydrogen cyanide was found in marijuana smoke at concentrations three to five times greater than those found in tobacco smoke.[21]

Marijuana, like tobacco, is addictive. One study found that more than 30 percent of adults who used marijuana in the course of a year were dependent on the drug.[22] These individuals often show signs of withdrawal and compulsive behavior.[23] Marijuana dependence is also responsible for a large proportion of calls to drug abuse help lines and treatment centers.

To equate marijuana use with alcohol consumption is, at best, uninformed and, at worst, actively misleading. Only in the most superficial ways are the two substances alike, and they differ in every way that counts: addictiveness, toxicity, health effects, and risk of intoxication.
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20  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ferguson 'victim' has rap sheet, robbed store same morning on: August 26, 2014, 11:17:09 AM
If 6-4, 290 lb thug is bullrushing me im gonna empty as many rounds as i can into him. You have to. This isnt the movies where one handgun bullet instantly knocks down/kills anyone. A man that size who is determined isnt going to be immediately stopped with a 9mm with anything other than a headshot. If he reaches you, chances are you get severely beaten, maybe critically, and hes gonna get your gun out of your hand and probably use it.

All accounts brown attacked/rushed him. Cop did exactly what he was trained to do. If brown was a white kid, or an asian kid, or a civilized black kid, he probably would have not escalated the situation and hed be alive today. But he wanted to be a punk neegar and stupidly attack a cop. Thats why he got shot.

All accounts? WTF?

BTW, how big is Wilson (the cop)? 
21  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ferguson 'victim' has rap sheet, robbed store same morning on: August 26, 2014, 10:23:28 AM
Not sure. Not sure if this recording is legit. We'll have to wait until the investigation is over if we are really interested in the facts of what happened. 

100% true. 

Did you hear the recording, though? 

It's hilarious in that the dude sounds like he's creepily semi-harassing some (probably foreign) woman;  "You are SO pretty".  lol

On that basis alone, the tape is probably real.  lol
22  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ferguson 'victim' has rap sheet, robbed store same morning on: August 26, 2014, 08:28:48 AM

THE PAUSE.    Is that the reason?   



Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown shot

(CNN) -- Could a newly released audio provide more clues on what led up to Michael Brown's shooting death?
The FBI has questioned a man who says he recorded audio of gunfire at the time Brown was shot by Ferguson police on August 9, the man's attorney told CNN.

In the recording, a quick series of shots can be heard, followed by a pause and then another quick succession of shots.
Forensic audio expert Paul Ginsberg analyzed the recording and said he detected at least 10 gunshots -- a cluster of six, followed by four.

"I was very concerned about that pause ... because it's not just the number of gunshots, it's how they're fired," the man's attorney, Lopa Blumenthal, told CNN's Don Lemon. "And that has a huge relevance on how this case might finally end up."
The man, who asked that his identity not be revealed, lives near the site of the shooting and was close enough to have heard the gunshots, his attorney said.

He was speaking to a friend on a video chat service and happened to be recording the conversation at the same time Brown was shot, Blumenthal said.

The attorney said she learned of the man's recording late last week from a mutual friend.
"I had to get his consent before I could reach out to the FBI," Blumenthal said.

The meaning of the pause
It's difficult to prove from the audio why the pause took place or whose narrative it supports.
Attorney Chris Chestnut said he was surprised by the gap in shots.

"It's the pause that gives most concern in a police shooting, especially with an unarmed victim, because at this point Mr. Brown is defenseless -- he has no weapon," said Chestnut, who represented the family of Jonathan Ferrell.

cnn

Very interesting. 

Are the police still claiming there was one shot fired from inside the vehicle? 
23  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Michael Brown's funeral: Mourners urge Black Americans to take action! on: August 26, 2014, 08:15:27 AM
Its called Common FNG Sense - you assault a cop you are going to at a minimum get your brains stomped out

I know for thugs and gangster pos like Obama holder al Sharpton jessee et al they are ignorant and stupid - but for everyone else - they get it

I think most everyone "gets it". 

But that's a different thing than saying we should accept it and/or make it legal.
24  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Michael Brown's funeral: Mourners urge Black Americans to take action! on: August 26, 2014, 07:59:16 AM
...

Assault an officer = dead.

Period.

Is it that simple, SW?   Are you saying that if an unarmed person has a physical altercation with a LEO and then attempts to flee before giving up with his hands raised the cop should be allowed to kill him? 

Or are you just saying that "Assault an officer = dead" is a good thing to keep in mind when it comes to increasing your chance to survive an encounter with police?  (If that's all you're saying, I agree.)
25  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Michael Brown's funeral: Mourners urge Black Americans to take action! on: August 26, 2014, 07:49:00 AM
I have a serious question. Do you REALLY think blacks are treated as bad as Sharpton, Jackson say they are? Because I just read an article not too long ago that whites were the new minority in this country and the last I heard we had a fake president that was black that loves to play the race card.

Treated as bad where exactly, Coach? 

You're in CA and you've mentioned before that you're not exactly a world-traveler so I'm wondering if maybe you haven't seen much of the USA.

It seems to me (and I could be wrong) that even though police abuse is hardly unheard of here in CA, it's still a lot better than in many other places in the USA. 

For example, I think it's unlikely that the shit that CA's Dan Saulmon says to cops here ("You're mistaken, Bacon") would be allowed anywhere in the South.
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