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126  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Prosecutors seek waiver to charge boy, 15, with murder on: March 17, 2014, 08:47:48 PM
Depends on the mental illness.  

I do not like the idea of treating kids like adults, but was only making a point about the level of sophistication.  

Fair point, then, I think.  

The more sophisticated they are the better they'd probably be at acting sane enough to be let out earlier than they should be at some point down the road.  That's how it plays out on Dexter, anyway, lol.
127  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ted Cruz vs. Rand Paul: A GOP road to nowhere on: March 17, 2014, 08:43:48 PM
Oh better to have Obama the liar in there
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Better how?  He's not running.
128  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Prosecutors seek waiver to charge boy, 15, with murder on: March 17, 2014, 08:36:02 PM
A person who commits a crime of this severity is not normal and will most likely never be a functional member of society.

Word. 

That scary looking 15-year old black kid needs a Cus D'amato in his life...about 5 years ago, probably.
129  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Great Americans on: March 17, 2014, 08:33:49 PM
No, it's just a lot of the stories that caught my eye involve people who have served.  That and a disproportionate number of Great Americans have worn the uniform.   

This thread isn't about me. 

You don't want it to be about you, but since you're choosing these great Americans, that can't be helped. 

I take it that you don't want talk about your own service, though, and I think that's fine.
130  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Prosecutors seek waiver to charge boy, 15, with murder on: March 17, 2014, 08:31:34 PM
The level of seriousness includes the amount of planning and the specific nature of the crime, which = sophistication, which = the kid having a greater appreciation of his or her conduct. 

Still seems wrong to me; Being mentally ill can easily mean not having complete appreciation for one's criminal conduct but wouldn't seem to preclude one from being able to plan a crime.  The greater the crime, the less likely the appreciation, if you ask me.  It sure doesn't seem like many of these kinds of kids thought too much about possible consequences nor did they plan so well that they almost got away with it.
131  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Prosecutors seek waiver to charge boy, 15, with murder on: March 17, 2014, 08:19:30 PM
Nah, I'll bet this woman is not really quite as dead as if she'd been strangled by a 30 year old.

Let the kid go. The womans family should understand.

LOL.  Sarcasm can be powerful.  I like it.
132  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Great Americans on: March 17, 2014, 08:15:54 PM
I'm fine with the title the way it is.  Feel free to add your own contributions to the thread.  Or you can just keep complaining.  Doesn't matter to me. 

Seriously, I'm not complaining.  Just wondering why so many of your "great Americans" are military guys but if you were in the military yourself, that probably has a lot to do with it..

What service were you in and what did you do, if you don't mind saying?
133  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Great Americans on: March 17, 2014, 07:59:33 PM
Great Americans who are mostly military men, then? 

Seems like such a high percentage are military that you ought to mention that in the title.
134  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Prosecutors seek waiver to charge boy, 15, with murder on: March 17, 2014, 07:56:35 PM
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But some of these crimes are so serious that it's hard to conclude the kid didn't completely appreciate what he or she was doing. 

No offense intended but I don't think that makes sense. I think the opposite is more likely;  Some of these crimes are so serious that it's hard to conclude that a kid COULD completely appreciate what he (or she) had done.
135  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Great Americans on: March 17, 2014, 07:44:34 PM
Wouldn't the title of this thread more properly be "Great American Military Men"?

Did you ever serve, BB? 
136  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Police State - Official Thread on: March 17, 2014, 02:57:36 AM
Great Reddit AMA (Ask Me Anything) here:

www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/20kgvf/iama_former_employee_of_a_jail_where_i_watched/

IAma former employee of a jail where I watched inmates be beat for fun. I was fired for reporting it, and have spent the last decade of my life testifying for those inmates. I did an AMA before, but couldn't say what really needed to be said. I'm done testifying, so I can REALLY talk now. AMA (self.IAmA)

Original text from the 1st AMA:

I saw horrific beatings happen almost every day. I saw inmates being beat senseless for not moving fast enough. I saw inmates urinate on themselves because they had been chained up for hours and officers refused to let them use the bathroom. This didn't happen because they were busy, this happened because it was fun. I saw an old man be beat bad enough to be taken to the hospital because he didn't respond to a verbal order RIGHT AFTER he took out his hearing aids (which he was ordered to do.)

I was fired after I caught the beating of a triple amputee (you read that right!) on video, and I got 7 officers fired for brutality. Don't believe me? here's a still from the video. This is one second of over 14 minutes of this poor man being beaten with a mop handle, kicked, punched and thrown around. As you can see in the video, he is down in the left hand corner, naked and cowering while being sprayed with pepper spray.http://imgur.com/I8eeq

After I was fired, I sued the Sheriff's Office and the Board of County Commissioners and I settled the night before trial. I consider every penny that I got blood money, but I did get a letter of recommendation hand signed by the sheriff himself, and I FLAT OUT REFUSED to sign a non disclosure agreement. One of my biggest regrets in life is not taking that case to trial, but I just emotionally couldn't do it. I also regret not going to the press immediately with what I had as it happened. I want someone to finally listen about what goes on in that jail. Instead of going to the press, I decided to speak with attorneys and help inmates who were beaten and murdered by detention officers in the jail. In the last 5 years I have been deposed twice and I have been flown across the planet 3 times to be deposed or to testify in cases against the Sheriff. I have also been consulted by 4 or 5 other attorneys with cases against the Sheriff. Every single time my name has been brought up (with 1 exception) the case has settled within a few months at the most. The record is 2 weeks. Some of those have gag orders on them or are sealed, so I can't discuss the ones that are under an order like that, but not all of them are like that. Let's talk about the two most recent cases I have been involved in: Christopher Beckman was an inmate. He was brought in on a DUI or something like that, he wasn't a career criminal, he was a guy like you, or your buddy, or your dad who fucked up and did something stupid while drunk. He had a seizure in the jail because he was epileptic and didn't get his medications. During this seizure he was hog tied, and ran HEAD FIRST into a 2" thick steel door, concrete walls and elevator doors. His skull was crushed and he died a few days later. I was deposed in his case and very soon afterward the family settled for an "undisclosed" amount of money other than the 1mil, and I promise you this..... they didn't get enough. The officers that did that to them? One of them pled out for a year in jail, the other got nothing. http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=14&articleid=20110606_12_0_OLHMIY608751 Dionne McKinney: She is the toughest woman on this planet. She fought for 9 and 1/2 years to take the sheriff to trial and she did it. NO ONE takes the Sheriff to trial in OK county and wins. It hasn't happened in a civil case since the 1970's (from what I understand) She was brutally beaten in the Jail in May of 2003. I testified in this case earlier this month.http://newsok.com/jury-finds-in-favor-of-woman-who-says-oklahoma-county-jail-detention-officers-assaulted-her-nearly-10-years-ago/article/3738355 Why do I live so far away? I fear for my life. I left oklahoma in march of 2010 after I turned over every piece of evidence that I had to the feds. When I have been flown in, I have been in and out in 2 days for depositions, but for the trial, I had to be there for almost a week. I spent 4 days barricaded in my best friends' house. When I left my family in OK after testifying a few weeks ago, I knew that I'd never be able to see them in Oklahoma again and flights to me are not cheap. Here is an absolutely scathing report from the department of justice about the Oklahoma County Jail in 2008. http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/spl/documents/OKCounty_Jail_findlet_073108.pdf

I did an great interview with the Moral Courage Project, and the last case I agreed to be involved with, won at jury trial! I'm ecstatic!

Now I can talk about the REAL problems going on, the thin blue line, or any other questions you may have.

Link to original AMA: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/16ktvd/iama_former_employee_of_a_jail_where_i_watched/

Link to the interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48QxwrZp4ZE

I was directly involved in 5 cases, and in all 5 of those cases, the case ended in favor of the plaintiff. I think it may be safe to say that the courts may agree with me at this point, and now all I need is for someone to listen to what goes on in jail.

EDIT::

PROOF http://imgur.com/juqB7i2

EDIT 2:

Here's a link to sign the petition to force ALL Law enforcement officers to wear cameras. This would be a great step in the right direction. Please sign and share.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/create-federal-mandate-forcing-all-law-enforcement-officers-wear-video-recording-device-while-duty/qVhH09tw

EDIT 3: Thank you to everyone who has responded! I've been given some great advice and encouragement!

I am being bombarded with messages telling me that vice.com is the place to go to get this out to the right people, so all that I ask of you guys is to send them a quick email asking them to cover this, I want the abuse of inmates to stop, and the only way to do that is to get the right people's attention, so please help out, should you feel so inclined!

editor@vice.com

Thanks for all of the support again! I have faith in humanity tonight!


Lots of interesting answers to Reddit user-submitted questions follows at link.
137  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Legalized Marijuana and the Crime Question on: March 17, 2014, 02:38:07 AM
This probably deserves its own thread:

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/3/14/colorado-court-somepotcasescanbeoverturned.html

Colorado court rules some pot convictions can be overturned

March 14, 2014 6:30PM ET
Judges say law legalizing marijuana in state can be applied retroactively; attorney general plans to appeal


The ruling could affect hundreds of people who were given jail terms for petty marijuana possession, and some inmates could be released, said one of the law's authors. Rick Wilking/Reuters

Some Colorado residents convicted of possessing small amounts of marijuana can ask for their convictions to be overturned because of the stateís recent legalization of the drug, its second-highest court ruled Thursday. The decision has prompted a firestorm of criticism from opponents of marijuana legalization, including the stateís attorney general.

In a unanimous ruling, a three-judge panel of the Colorado Court of Appeals found that a woman whose 2011 conviction for possessing cannabis had been under appeal was entitled to have her sentence and conviction overturned because of a "significant change in the law."

Coloradoís Amendment 64, which decriminalized the possession of an ounce or less of marijuana, took effect in December 2012.

The panel agreed with defense attorneys who argued that the marijuana law should be applied retroactively. While noting that laws generally are forward-looking, the judges said there were some legal exceptions.

"The general presumption of prospective application, however, is subject to a doctrine established by our General Assembly and Supreme Court enabling a defendant to benefit retroactively from a significant change in the law," Judge Mary Hoak wrote in the 16-page opinion.

The ruling could affect hundreds of people who were given jail terms for petty marijuana possession, and some inmates could be released, said Brian Vicente, one of the amendment's authors. "This is a huge victory," he said.

Vicente said Colorado prosecuted as many as 9,000 cases a year for marijuana possession. After it was decriminalized, a number of appeals were still in the courts.

The ruling came in the case of Brandi Jessica Russell, who was convicted in Grand County of possessing one gram or less of methamphetamine, possession of marijuana concentrate and possession of less than an ounce of marijuana.

Her attorney, Brian Emeson, said Thursday that the ruling is another indication the "tide is turning" on the nationwide attitude toward possession of small amounts of pot.

Emeson said he still handles a number of marijuana appeals, which shows prosecutors have not backed off.

"This ruling shows it would be wise for them to focus on more pressing matters," he said.
Sparking controversy

Colorado Attorney General John Suthers issued a statement on Thursday announcing plans to appeal the ruling because of the implications it could have on other cases not involving marijuana. Suthersí main argument is that the ruling does not apply to previous convictions because the amendment legalizing marijuana in the state does not specifically say it can be applied retroactively.


More at link.
138  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Pleads the fifth again on: March 16, 2014, 08:11:09 PM
Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Rand Paul...et.al= The only people in DC who are trying to do the right thing.

Listen to me and listen well; The cockroaches in DC don't give a fuck about the constitution or what you think. 

This cuntrag will walk the plank and get off scott free. Even establishment bitchbag George Will has called her out:

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Read more from George F. Willís archive or follow him on Facebook.

Da'fuck?  I don't know jack about this Lerner stuff but George Will left ABC for Fox in last October. 

He's hardly an "establishment bitchbag" now.  George ran out of things to say a long time ago and is just trying to ingratiate himself with his paymasters at Fox at this point.
139  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Imperial presidency on: March 16, 2014, 08:03:19 PM
Wikipedia= The last refuge of a lonely stooge. Slitting your wrists is less painful. Why prolong the agony?

Criticizing my source while not saying that any of the information I got is false seems pretty stooge-like, if you ask me.  (So I'll take your word for it when it comes to having first-hand knowledge of how painful it is to be a stooge.)

Pleasantries aside, Georgie, wikipedia is fine for finding out something as basic as how many times presidents have had vetoes overridden.
140  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Senator Bernie Sanders on the 'New' Republican Party on: March 16, 2014, 11:22:46 AM
He is a loud mouth and tax sponge w zero real world expeience in how things really work.

Bernie speaks off the cuff like a guy who is both very intelligent and compassionate.  Frankly, you don't seem have much of either of these qualities.

Maybe you make up for it by having this real world experience in how "things" work that you're saying he lacks, though. 

So, what are these "things" you are you talking about? 

141  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Senator Bernie Sanders on the 'New' Republican Party on: March 16, 2014, 11:11:50 AM
Like him or not, just realize you are supporting a Socialist and as we know from viewing the rest of the world and history Socialism has never worked (led to ruin).  That being said at least he admits to being a socialist and unlike the rest of the Democratic party and a few Republicans too.  By the way the socialist ranks very high as a liberal so what does that tell you / about liberal policies?  http://thatsmycongress.com/senate

That tells me that socialism cannot be the all-bad boogeyman that some would reflexively believe it is. 

For are not many current gov't programs socialistic in nature?  Do you really think all are bad?

Also, are you aware of the degree of civil unrest that existed in the early 1900's before many socialistic policies and protections for the common workingman were enacted?


142  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Senator Bernie Sanders on the 'New' Republican Party on: March 16, 2014, 07:02:53 AM
Bernie is a great American.
143  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Just How Old is the U.S. Constitution? on: March 14, 2014, 01:01:41 PM
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You are minimizing how much more horrible Jews have had it for thousands of years, and still have it today in some places, in many countries. 
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Seriously, how am I doing that? 

After rereading what I wrote, I don't think anything I said seems to be minimizing the unconscionable mistreatment Jews have suffered. 

Even in my quip about "never let them forget" I said that I thought it was for good reason.

Strangely, you seem to be implying that if I insist on folks being accurate when characterizing how bad blacks have been treated in the USA I need to mention other groups who have been treated as bad or worse in other countries.  Do I have that wrong? 

Seems to me that you're trying to change my point that I've been more than clear about time after time.
144  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Poll: 64% Of Americans Say Obamacare Should Remain Law on: March 14, 2014, 12:44:48 PM
Yeah I lift.

Unlike you, I also have a life, a girlfriend, and don't live in the ghetto working as a debt collector while sitting around in the throes of Jungle Fever over Obama 24/7.

Oh shit!  SC is a debt collector? 

I'd hate people too if I had that job.
145  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Obama - DESTROYED in his own words by his lies and broken promises on: March 14, 2014, 12:42:39 PM
Yeah if you ask me I don't like the congress either - Boehner is a pos.    Obama should have already been removed from office for high crimes and misdemeanors and obamacare defunded. 

LOL.

Who DO you like, ya misanthropic so-and-so?
146  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Obama - DESTROYED in his own words by his lies and broken promises on: March 14, 2014, 12:40:36 PM
Why dont you tell me some? Just a few examples?

Why don't I?  Because it would just be an exercise in copy-pasta. 

What keeps you from googling the issue?
147  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Imperial presidency on: March 14, 2014, 12:30:23 PM
After taking a look at the chart at the link below, it seem that presidents aren't using their veto power often anymore:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_vetoes

FWIW:

Obama has (so far) used his veto power 2 times.  Neither time was his veto overridden.

GWB used his veto power a total of 12 times (includes 11 regular vetoes and 1 "pocket" veto).  His vetoes were overridden 4 times.

The veto master, by far, was FDR who had a total of 635 vetoes with only 9 being overridden.

Not sure what, if anything, to make about any of that.

The link above also had this to say:

Veto threat

Occasionally, a President either publicly or privately threatens Congress with a veto to influence the content or passage of legislation. There is no record of what officially constitutes a "veto threat," or how many have been made over the years, but it has become a staple of Presidential politics and a sometimes effective way of shaping policy.

148  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Imperial presidency on: March 14, 2014, 12:11:29 PM
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THE SENATE, ONLY THE SENATE'S VOTE CAN RESULT IN THE IMPEACHMENT.

And there NOT A SINGLE DEMOCRAT, NOT A SINGLE ONE VOTED TO IMPEACH HIM.

So how can you possible think that the Democrats of TODAY, under REID, are going to turn on the president? 

Oh!  I have the answer to this one!:

Because voting for impeachment and voting to override a veto are nowhere near the same thing.
149  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Rand Paul Gets It: 2 Reasons Why on: March 14, 2014, 12:08:31 PM
I like rand but i strongly disapprove of his amnesty stance.

"Oh well you know they are already here, they arent leaving, lets just make them into citizens"

Thats a concession of defeat, rewards those who have done wrong, and basically sells out our country...hurts all the americans who will have to compete for jobs with a sudden influx of millions of foreigners.

And worst of all, it sends the signal to the rest of them waiting to come here-"we dont care, come on in, we will find a job for you and our citizens will pay for you and your family's well being"

Truly a sell out of america.

Yes.  We should gas them.  It's the All-American way.
150  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: FU Lindsey Graham on: March 14, 2014, 12:03:48 PM

Careful, SC, seems likely that delicate Lindsey would fuck you.
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