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26  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ventura wins $1.8M from Chris Kyles estate on: August 07, 2014, 05:46:52 PM
Not changing my overall opinion based on facts that do nothing to alter the core facts of this whole situation?  Imagine that.   Roll Eyes  I appreciate the information about whether insurance was involved.  I was curious about that, but not because it changes whether or not Ventura should have sued this widow.  

I didn't care about the source.  I read liberal and conservative sources pretty much every day.  As an aside, people who live on the Daily Kos, watch nothing but MSNBC, only rely on Huffington Post, etc. tend to have a warped world view.

Yes, being a "world class douchebag" is a special insult.  I use the word "douchebag" sparingly.  Not sure I've ever used "world class douchebag"?  If I have, I don't remember.  But it certainly applies to Ventura.  

Pardon me, but I'm pretty sure that whether or not the court's judgement was going to potentially be taking away money from the families of fallen servicemen IS a core fact for many.  For me, it's the only reasonable fact on which to base whether Ventura was morally doing the right thing by suing the Kyles estate. 

Makes me wonder WHY you think Ventura is doing something inappropriate here but I have the feeling that if you tried to honestly answer that we'd probably just get to hear more of your military-worship BS.  You'd recite some variation of Jack Nicholson's line from A Few Good Men by saying "All you did today was weaken a country, Ventura".  LOL

BTW, I won't ask you exactly HOW the word "douchebag" is special (lol) to you (other than how frequently you use it) but I am wondering if you realize that you're implying that you feel that the other insults, the ones you use not-so-sparingly, shouldn't be taken seriously because you don't really feel they're genuinely called for.  ("Oh, I don't say "douchebag" all the time so you can take that to heart but all these other insults?---- Naw, I say that shit all the time so don't worry about it cuz I'm not being serious.")
27  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Dem's vs GOP on economics. on: August 07, 2014, 05:16:12 PM
Thank you _______ Simon.  You are quite the Grammar ____. 

Why so defensive, Beach Bummer?  

Clearly, you mistakenly left out a word which I then brought to your attention in a friendly way.  (Maybe you aren't familiar with the "accidentally a word" thang that's popular on bigger forums like Reddit?)

To be fair, it occurs to me that if, seemingly due to your advanced age, you've been finding yourself making small errors like that more and more often then I understand how your resulting frustration might cause you to want to call names instead of just use the board's edit function.  (Hmmm, didn't some other poster recently say that the quality of your posts seems to have gone down in recent times compared to your writing of a few years ago?)

If that's the case, then no harm done and I extend you my honest sympathy.
28  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Dem's vs GOP on economics. on: August 07, 2014, 10:24:56 AM
Actually my entire post is opinion, but there are a whole of facts supporting my opinion.

You accidentally a word, mang.
29  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ex-Homeland Chief Napolitano: No Mercy for Edward Snowden on: August 07, 2014, 10:20:51 AM
I wonder who is paying for this traitorous turd to live this kind of lifestyle?  Must be Russia. 

Snowden makes first public appearance, secretly visits Moscow’s Bolshoi theatre
Published time: August 05, 2014 17:18
Edited time: August 05, 2014 19:40 Get short URL

The US whistleblower Edward Snowden has visited Moscow’s Bolshoi Theatre in his first public appearance since coming to Russia a year ago. Reporters were hardly able to recognize the former CIA employee without his signature look glasses.

The NSA whistleblower apparently decided to mark a year of asylum in Russia by making a public appearance. He attended the Tsar's Bride opera in Moscow’s historic Bolshoi Theatre.

Snowden slipped in almost unnoticed. He sat in one of the theatre’s boxes, admiring Nikolay Rimsky-Korsakov’s opera that recounts a tragic love story during the time of Ivan the Terrible’s reign in Russia.

Snowden publically promised to study Russian culture when he was granted asylum in August last year.

In June 2013, the former NSA contractor landed in Moscow’s Sheremetyevo airport in transit from Hong Kong, with Ecuador as his final destination.

After Snowden leaked sensitive US intelligence, Washington charged him with theft of government property, unauthorized communication of national defense information, and willful communication of classified intelligence to an unauthorized person, canceling his passport upon arrival in Moscow. This led to the leaker getting stranded in the transit zone until Russia granted him temporary asylum.


His Russian lawyer, Anatoly Kucherena, told RT that during the time Snowden was holed up in the airport he brought him books by prominent Russian authors such as Fyodor Dostoevsky, Anton Chekhov, and the classic 12-volume History of the Russian state by 19th century historian Nikolay Karamzin - all of those books in English.



The State Academic Bolshoi Theater, in Moscow (RIA Novosti / Vladimir Vyatkin)The State Academic Bolshoi Theater, in Moscow (RIA Novosti / Vladimir Vyatkin)

At the same time, according to Kucherena, Snowden promised to learn Russian. When Snowden was granted asylum, he was taken to an undisclosed “safe place” and has not been seen in public since. During this time he has made a few videos and appeared in teleconferences and interviews.

In August last year, Life news published a photo of a man it claimed was the first showing US intelligence leaker Edward Snowden in Moscow. The image showed a casually-dressed man, with a goatee and glasses, pushing a supermarket trolley full of groceries across a road. However the photo was blurry and it was hard to establish the man’s identity.

Snowden filed an official petition on July 9 to extend his asylum in Russia for another year. The whistleblower can stay in the country while his application is being processed. Currently, Snowden holds a three-year post as Rector of the University of Glasgow and serves on the Freedom of the Press Foundation board of directors.

http://rt.com/news/178200-snowden-moscow-visit-theatre/

What kind of lifestyle?  Is it something talked about at the link?  (I've only read what you've excerpted and not the article at the link itself.)
30  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ventura wins $1.8M from Chris Kyles estate on: August 07, 2014, 10:17:30 AM
Yes, there are additional unverified facts in the opinion piece you posted.  Doesn't change my opinion one bit about Ventura being a butt-hurt sissy and a world class douchebag (a word I use sparingly).  

Holy shit, newly-learned facts not changing BB's opinion "one bit"?  Stop the presses!  LOL

FWIW, the only reason I directed my last post to you was because (IIRC) you seemed to express some interest in learning details about who'd be bearing the brunt of the financial penalty against the Kyles estate.  And, since this "unverified fact" came from a conservative source, I thought you'd probably find it a little more believable than the same info from, say, Mother Jones.  (BTW, when it comes down to it, everything is pretty much of an "unverified fact", isn't it? lol)

Lastly, I'm not sure what you're trying to imply by writing that you only sparingly use the term "world class douchebag"?  (Or is it just "douchebag" without the world-class part?)  I mean, you have been known to indulge in name calling so are you just saying that there is special about that particular insult?  
  
31  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ventura wins $1.8M from Chris Kyles estate on: August 07, 2014, 08:03:59 AM
Well said.  Much more insightful than that article.  Don't worry about the grammar.  Only the resident Grammar Nazi will care about that.   Smiley 

Did you learn anything from the article, BB?  Even though it came from that "liberal rag" The National Review Online, lol?  (For the few that don't know, NRO is a conservative website.)

Surely you must have thought this part was notable:
Out of the staggering $3 million that American Sniper collected in royalties for Kyle, only $52,000 actually went to the families of fallen servicemen. (Rather than 100 percent of the proceeds, as the public was led to believe, try 2 percent!)

Honestly, I agree with most of Shockwave's post in that I think that regardless of the court's findings, Ventura had no hope of regaining his stature in the "Seal community". 

Hopefully though, the money along with the court's official judgement will help him deal with that.

32  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Freshman Republican Congressman mistakes brown Americans for foreigners on: August 07, 2014, 07:47:28 AM
Politician Has No Idea He’s Speaking To Americans  Cheesy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUMErjy8oOQ


This is so embarrassing that ya can't help but feel sorry for the congressman, imo.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUMErjy8oOQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUMErjy8oOQ</a>

(Just remove the "s" from "https" to successfully embed the video)
33  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Bill Maher drops a little truth on: August 07, 2014, 06:05:36 AM
Does this idiot support gun control?

If he does then he needs to stop bitching about a totalitarian police force.

I don't know why he attacked the Tea Party. He is as dumb as some of them. Complaining about the police force amassing weapons while denying the rights of the citizens to arm themselves is pretty stupid.

"Complaining about the police force amassing weapons..." ?  What the ever-loving fuck? 

Is that seriously all you think he's complaining about?  Did you stop watching before 1m55s or something?
34  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death on: August 06, 2014, 04:19:49 AM
Looked more like a head lock rather than a true blood or air choke. That fat fuck died due to his self inflected obesity.

Even if that's true, the cops should still be legally responsible due to the "Eggshell Skull Rule" (which I heard some cops talking about on a cop forum):

This rule holds one liable for all consequences resulting from his or her tortious (usually negligent) activities leading to an injury to another person, even if the victim suffers an unusually high level of damage (e.g. due to a pre-existing vulnerability or medical condition). The term implies that if a person had a skull as delicate as that of the shell of an egg, and a tortfeasor who was unaware of the condition injured that person's head, causing the skull unexpectedly to break, the defendant would be held liable for all damages resulting from the wrongful contact, even if the tortfeasor did not intend to cause such a severe injury.

In criminal law, the general maxim is that the defendant must "take their victims as they find them", a quotation from the judgment of Lord Justice Lawton in R v. Blaue (1975), in which the defendant was held responsible for killing his victim, despite his contention that her refusal of a blood transfusion constituted novus actus interveniens.

The doctrine is applied in all areas of torts - intentional torts, negligence, and strict liability cases - as well as in criminal law. There is no requirement of physical contact with the victim - if a trespasser's wrongful presence on the victim's property so terrifies the victim that he has a fatal heart attack, the trespasser will be liable for the damages stemming from his original tort. The foundation for this rule is based primarily on policy grounds. The courts do not want the defendant or accused to rely on the victim's own vulnerability to avoid liability.


More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggshell_skull
35  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ventura wins $1.8M from Chris Kyles estate on: August 06, 2014, 04:08:58 AM
Lots of good info here:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/384176/justice-jesse-ventura-was-right-his-lawsuit-j-delgado
Clearly, quite a few folks here don't really know what they're talking about.

It makes sense to me that the publisher would pay, but I haven't read or heard that they are in this case. 
With the $500,000 defamation portion of the award covered by libel insurance, only $1.3 million will come out of the Kyle estate (and that’s assuming the judge even upholds that portion of the award).
...
Ventura noted on CBS This Morning Wednesday: “Taya Kyle had all of her attorney fees paid by insurance. I did not. I incurred two and a half years of lawyer fees that I have to pay to clear my name, and she had insurance paying everything for her. It was me against an insurance company.” Ventura added that he will use the winnings to pay off his attorneys’ fees.

Nobody cared about those paragraphs in that book.

MYTH: Even if Kyle lied about Ventura, his book sales weren’t significantly increased by that story, so Kyle did not profit from the defamation.

Wrong! In fact, the book made national headlines largely — and probably only — because of the salacious story about Ventura. Don’t believe me? No worries — take Kyle’s publicist’s word for it. At the time, the publicist remarked that the story was making the book’s sales “go crazy.”


And again, she didn't profit from the book.

MYTH: Taya Kyle and the kids are now broke because of Ventura! I hope someone is setting up a fund for them!


Ms. Kyle is a multimillionaire. With the $500,000 defamation portion of the award covered by libel insurance, only $1.3 million will come out of the Kyle estate (and that’s assuming the judge even upholds that portion of the award). In light of the reported $6 million in book profits, not to mention potential profits from future book royalties (once the movie releases in 2015, the book is sure to rocket in sales again), and Kyle’s no doubt robust life-insurance policies, to claim that this is cruel or a hardship on a destitute widow is ill informed and disingenuous.[/i]
...
MYTH: Kyle was a perfect person and an utterly honest one.
...
Specifically: Whatever happened to the repeated claim that the book’s proceeds would go/had gone to charity, benefiting the families of his fallen friends?


Consider what Kyle’s publisher wrote after his tragic passing: “He dedicated his life in recent years to supporting veterans and donated the proceeds of American Sniper to the families of his fallen friends” (italics mine). An article in the Blaze definitively proclaimed: “A perfect reflection of his character, Kyle gave all proceeds from his best-selling book American Sniper to the families of soldiers killed in combat” (italics mine). Or this line from a Human Events article: “For American Sniper, Kyle donated the profits from that book to charity.” Kyle himself perpetuated this idea, telling the same proceeds-went-to-charity tale to the Texas News Service and even adding that he regularly received tearful calls and letters of thanks.

And now for the kicker: It isn’t true. Out of the staggering $3 million that American Sniper collected in royalties for Kyle, only $52,000 actually went to the families of fallen servicemen. (Rather than 100 percent of the proceeds, as the public was led to believe, try 2 percent!) While Kyle’s widow claimed, in her testimony, that they never intended to profit from the book, and “wanted” to donate the money to other veterans, she said they were weren’t able to because of — get this! — “gift-tax laws that prevented them from donating more than $13,000 each to two families last year.”

When Ventura’s attorney asked why they did not simply create a nonprofit (standard practice) to be able to give away the money without gift-tax concerns, Kyle said she had not had the time to set up such a nonprofit.

Separately, she noted: “We are trying to find the right places and not just throw it away.”

It’s true that giving money away effectively is more challenging than many people realize. But it’s hard to believe neither of the Kyles was able to sort this problem out: Surely it is quite easy to locate the struggling families of fallen servicemen. And the challenges of setting up a nonprofit don’t excuse the Kyles’ and the publisher’s strongly implying, and allowing others to claim unambiguously, that they were giving all the money away when this was clearly not true.

Why is there no concern for those families of other veterans — many of whom, unlike Kyle’s supposedly destitute widow, probably are struggling financially? Do those families, who were supposed to receive help, not matter?

So what does this all demonstrate, and why should it matter?

For one, Americans are showing a disturbing level of either support or disregard for the legal system — based solely on what they think of the parties involved. That is a dangerous approach. It’s against the fundamentals of justice to decide how you feel about a case based on how much you like the defendant or plaintiff, rather than the facts.

More important, however, it demonstrates a worrisome level of blind hero worship. The idea that, because Kyle served his country bravely and honorably, he was therefore always honorable in all aspects of his life, and can do no wrong, ever, is preposterous. As Pocket Full of Liberty’s editor Skyler Mann wondered: “Not about Chris Kyle in particular but the hullaboo makes me wonder: if a veteran does something super sh**** is it OK because s/he’s a vet?”

A jury, with far more information than we the public have (including the chance to listen to witness testimony and watch Kyle’s deposition), essentially found that Kyle lied. The fact that many conservatives are furiously shaking their heads, refusing to accept this, and taking it even further by attacking Ventura for daring to clear his name is extremely disturbing. Ventura is the jerk for suing to restore his reputation — not Chris Kyle for lying and making an easy target sound like a demon, for the sake of financial gain and publicity.

Got it, that makes perfect sense. We supported George Zimmerman’s defamation lawsuit, but not Jesse Ventura’s. Apparently, it’s not the merits or facts of the case, but rather how likeable the parties are, that determines whom American public opinion supports. Listening to the outrage brigade on social media, big on demagoguery but short on facts, one can conclude that (a) widows can never be sued nor are capable of unjustly profiting and (b) war heroes are perfect in every regard of their lives, forever.

This is blind hero worship, at its most embarrassing.


— A. J. Delgado is a conservative writer and lawyer. She writes about politics and culture.
36  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death on: August 06, 2014, 03:11:58 AM
This guy met his end the same way as Radio Raheem from "Do the Right Thing"

Therefore, the police used excessive force because of the violent influence of Hollywood. Case closed.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G7TTDEHl5o" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G7TTDEHl5o</a>


LOL.  We agree, then.

I think you'll also agree that assigning a small but definite portion of the responsibility for Garner's death to Spike Lee and, maybe, the New York Knicks, would be "doing the right thing" here. Grin

(BTW, chop the "s" off of "https" to embed those youtube vids.)
37  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ventura wins $1.8M from Chris Kyles estate on: August 05, 2014, 05:57:08 PM
Completely agree.

Yeah, because it wasn't your name some lyin' sack was dragging through the mud in order to promote himself and make money.
38  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ventura wins $1.8M from Chris Kyles estate on: August 05, 2014, 05:52:00 PM
I read it - it was a paragraph at best.  He didn't mention Ventura by name either

But Kyles did mention Ventura by name while promoting the book, didn't he? 

I pretty sure I read that he talked about Ventura on a couple of radio shows. 

Opie and Anthony was one of the shows and I forget the name of the other one.
39  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: James Brady, former Reagan press secretary, gun-control advocate, dies on: August 04, 2014, 06:52:32 PM
Lived over 30 years after catching one in the head. 
40  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Ventura wins $1.8M from Chris Kyles estate on: August 04, 2014, 06:41:09 PM


I don't know.  Like most others here we're just shooting the shit with limited info.  I would imagine, from what we know, both have service records to be proud of and I think if somebody was lied about, they can and should clear their name.


Your clear-headed analysis is not welcome here. Grin
41  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Dem's vs GOP on economics. on: August 04, 2014, 06:37:32 PM
....first roll of a real president is to protect the country. I know thats hard for liberals to grasp, but it's true.


Speaking of things that are hard to grasp, maybe you could pick up a 4th grade spelling and vocab book and study the difference between "roll" and "role". 

Fer fuck's sake there is something so freakin' pitiful about a grown-ass man whose 1st language is English calling folks stupid while making writing mistakes a bright 2nd grader wouldn't make. 

Shit, Coach, if your English language proficiency doesn't improve, I think you're in danger of being deported.
42  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Obama is an idiot - thinks Hamas will stop firing rockets on: August 02, 2014, 09:22:27 AM

Orly?  He didn't keep the statement "who is that stupid twink?" to himself?

FYI, saying "Don't second-guess me on Hamas" is not the same thing as sayiing "who is that stupid twink?".
(Well, in harsh and humorless Dario-world, it might mean that, but thankfully, most of us don't live there.)



43  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: All who support ILLEGAL immigration are responsible for all these deaths on: August 02, 2014, 12:58:36 AM
Dario, which 3rd world hole are you from? Why don't you ever say?

Not that it narrows down his country of origin much but he did recently reveal that he speaks Spanish. 

So he's a self-hating hispanic of some sort, apparently.
44  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death on: August 02, 2014, 12:47:30 AM
Zulu getting "Zulu'd":
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6uJk9pS46g" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6uJk9pS46g</a>


Tim Sylvia getting "Zulu'd":
45  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: THE TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM on: August 02, 2014, 12:39:46 AM
Pay attention you stupid fucks. No more excuses. Islam= subhuman dreck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krvCQbzPKiI

Well, when you ask as nicely as that, who wouldn't want to spend an hour-and-a-half watching your youtube video? 

BTW, if this is really just a clever way to encourage support of Hamas, then good job!
46  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death on: August 02, 2014, 12:36:19 AM
6'1 400 lbs, and with 31 prior arrests. Forget about skin color.  Once this "unarmed man" tells the cops he's not coming quietly, all bets are off.

And FYI what's the alternative? Should the police just apologize for the intrusion and walk away? Fuck it. Why have laws at all?

It is mind boggling to witness the black "community" get riled up for such a fat, disgusting criminal. Meanwhile, innocent men, women and children are killed in the  "community" on a daily basis and nobody bats an eyebrow. Reminds me of Trayvon!


6'1" 400 lbs guy in his 40's seemed like a dangerous fighter to you?  LOL.  You could hear that Garner was out of breath before they laid a finger on him.  A guy like that against ONE halfway athletic policeman in an open area is only likely to get Zulu'd or die of a heart attack, seems to me.

As for being some kind of dangerous criminal, all 31 prior arrests were for non-violent offenses and at least some of the cops on scene were familiar with the guy's history.  (Sheesh, how could they not be familiar with the guy if he'd been arrested over 30 times and probably hassled but not arrested even more?)

They should have just talked to the guy.  According to witnesses the cops were called to the scene because two other men had been in some kind of fight (broken up by Garner) but had both left before the cops got there.  Once there, though, they saw the distinctive-looking Garner and started fucking with him (because of his past history).  Garner made some mistakes in dealing with the cops but not ones he should have been killed for.

Whorewell, I think you're just a troll these days but if not you should probably open your eyes and realize that it's not just the black community getting riled up over clear police abuses.  Now, maybe it's only because video recording devices are so common these days, but there is real evidence that police are overstepping their legal bounds by unnecessarily physically abusing black & white citizens (not to mention killing dogs) way too often.

47  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Is it just about being right/winning the argument? on: August 01, 2014, 08:45:49 PM
Here is my simple answer, Simpleton Simon:  kiss where the sun doesn't shine.  How is that?   Smiley

Oh, it's like BB calling out "uncle", I guess. Grin
48  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: From the frying pan into the fire on: August 01, 2014, 01:37:42 PM
The nation will fracture soon.

Fracture how?

That seems a little crazy. 
49  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Is it just about being right/winning the argument? on: August 01, 2014, 01:34:42 PM
Oh so now you want to have an exchange like an adult?   Clown.  Roll Eyes

Double-dodge.

Why are you not answering here?  A simple "yes" or "no" will do.

Did the very wise man who told you "Your critics define you" add that you need to make distinctions among your group of critics? 

(If you do answer, which I judge to be unlikely, I'm guessing you'll lie and say "yes".)
50  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: MSNBC has lowest ratings in nearly a decade - LMFAO!!! Ha Ha Ha!!! on: August 01, 2014, 01:29:26 PM
*yawn*

Jeez, ya might as well just yell "uncle". LOL

I wouldn't doubt it if your energy is flagging right about now, though, actually.  Time for the old man to get a nap pretty soon, eh?
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