^^^ that's a good version if you have a shoulder/rotator cuff issue, at least for me. The overhead dumbell or barbell is murder for my left shoulder. But lying dumbell skull crushers, are a go in my case and hit the long head very well.

oh yeah, nicorette gum if you're not a smoker can stim you as well...

I would take the caffeine before the meal, the ephedrine after as it can make you anxious. And for a first time use 8mg of ephedrine with 100mg of caffeine is a great start. Taper up each slowly, but max use would be 200mg of caffeine and 24mg of ephedrine, 3 times a day.

I find adding yohimbe when the results stall out works wonders.

considering how insanley cheap it is to use nowadays, (I pay $5 a month to use it) why not take it? Magnesium levels tend to be low in people who train, so there is a real need for this one. It's good for you cns and sleep as well.

As mentioned, just don't fall into the bullshit hype of the product...

Here's what I would do. With the caffeine and ephedrine, add 25-50mg of geranium, 5-10mg of yohimbe, about 45 minutes before your workout 3 grams of l-tyrosine. L-tyrosine is an amino acid that increases dopamine levels in the brain and makes the other stims stronger. 2.5mg of vinpocetine with your pre workout meal can work nicely as well.

I've added the above with a serving of no shotgun and 50mcg of clen. (only when I was near the end of a cutting cycle)

you really should try canadianprotein.com. Their blend of 50% iso 50% concentrate goes for about $45 for 5lbs, mixes and tastes real good.