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1  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: An open letter to Bob Chic on: April 03, 2008, 09:39:18 AM
I was also there.
The aau died a slow death for sure, but to say that the NPC took over is simply incorrect.
If the NPC truly "took over" as you say, then they would have rights to the Mr. America title, which they do not.


I was very active in the AAU bodybuilding years ago ( judge, bodybuilder, promoter, etc) . I loved their format with the ht classes and the titles with the original Mr names , like Mr Florida or Mr USA or Mr America, etc.
The NPC under Jim Manion began to flourish in the early 80's as the AAU stared to fade.
The NPC had the path to the IFBB pros, the media coverage and more $$$ to back it.
2  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: An open letter to Bob Chic on: April 02, 2008, 04:15:26 PM
THank you Howie,..beat me to the punch.

The AAU was dead LONG before any lawsuits, etc....

Ironically, it was the drug testing and subsequent results that led to the Charles Durr lawsuit, etc....when they DIDN'T test, they had few if any problems..lol.
Things worked better when it was the AAU  drug tested Mr USA and Untested Mr America.
I was on the AAU America Comm, and voted to test the America along with a majority of others there in Louisville at our national meeting. Chairmen Ted Karnezis blew the testing due to failure to follow testing procdures to the letter.
I offered to come to the America that yr ( the yr Durr won and tested postive ), NOT judge and just oversee the drug testing. He blew it off and I simply told him , if he didn't want me, no biggy, just get somebody who knows the procedures and do it right. Ted was good guy, but if you drug test, you BETTER do it right or don't do it at all.
Mainion had the right idea with the tested Team U natural nationals and the rest of the reg nationals.
Give athletes a choice is my motto. The only trouble is that the GOV wants to tell everyone what they can put in their bodies. I wish this was NOT the law, it is pretty lame in my libertarian eyes .
Oh well I gotta train , see ya   Howard
3  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Your MusclePhone testimonies! on: April 02, 2008, 04:06:21 PM
My dog was consitpated , couldn't take a dump , and sat on my cell phone . Soon enough the buzz of a new muscle phone text came on. The vibration stimulated her bowels. Here is she is happy and crapping again, thanks muscle phone . My dog's ass works again , thanks to YOU!

Muslce Phone = no backed up doggy  bunghole, thanks MF
4  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: An open letter to Bob Chic on: April 02, 2008, 03:59:32 PM
the NPC ended AAU bodybuilding?? and you wonder why people call you Manion's lapdog.

AAU bodybuilding ended because of threat of drug testing law suits, and general mis-managment.
by your logic, everyone in the AAU went to the NPC. not true.
the NPC's drug testing (much like the IFBB's) is a joke.

Much to your dismay, Natural organinzations have more than 10 people in attendance.
I see you like to exaggerate the attendance of the olympia. there were more like 7000 in attendance, not 10,000.


BOTH the increased status of the NPC in 1980's along with the Charles Durr law suit ended the AAU physique shows and Mr America over a decade ago.
The AAU had already started too fade long before the law suit that nailed it shut in the mid 90's
5  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: BOB CHICK, DON'T DO IT! on: April 02, 2008, 03:56:06 PM
Damn, Bob!

Care to tell us the story here?
I think the pic and look on his face is all we need to have LOL?
6  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Nightmare scenario for the IFBB on: April 02, 2008, 03:55:05 PM
And Joe and Ben got lifetime achievement awards. So what? The sport still sucks thanks to guys like you.
Vince c'mon, the actual contests are pretty decent productions now, seriously.
Being that negative is not your style my friend.
Every era has its pros and cons in any sport.
I don't care for the extreme freak look, but am thrilled with the better sound and light at big contests now.
The OVERALL gym, contest and involvement for serious fans is a lot better NOW than 20 or more years ago.
Ok, we don't see eye to eye with Bob on one rather controversial issue.
But, all three of us have a real passion for bodybuilding.
Let us embarce that, join hands and sing another round of " Pass the protein bars"
I honestly think some of us would love to hear some actual stories from you about your days of training and winning shows like Mr Canada. How about it? You have a lot to share I bet?
7  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Why I must post about drug use in bodybuilding... on: April 02, 2008, 03:47:46 PM
Looking at that cake made me Vomit.
I agree, delete that sick pic , please!
Oh well, off to train tris and abs, alert muscle phone , thanks
8  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: An open letter to Bob Chic on: April 02, 2008, 03:45:10 PM
Got news for you Basile...I was once one of those "young kids" aspiring to be a pro in the 1970's....and I knew they were using steroids, EVERYONE knew steroids were involved. Check out any of the old Muscle Builder issues, they even had columns (like Gyrmkowski's) which were devoted to talk of steroids....this was WELL beofore Al Gore invented the internet Smiley 

Was it accepted or better when they were LESS illegal? You didn't seem to have any problem taking steroids back then...there would be just as much "acceptance" if al shows were tested...or the physiques looked like yours circa 1970...no more, no less.

Bodybuilding is what it is because it's NOT a mainstream sport...not because of the drug usage. There's just as much usage in the NFL.
Hmmm, I knew about this "steroid  thing" as well shortly after I got serious with bodybuilding contests.
As EVERYONE here knows ALREADY, that issue was tough for me to accept. I dabbled into for 3 yrs ( 83-86)and made my shot to "go for the pros" and never got that close.
I honestly didn't think I was all that great a bodybuilder anyway.
I went into another stable career path, teaching chemistry and physics and was glad I did.
Down deep I really admire old school guys like Vince that won a big title like Mr Canada , back in the day.
At the same time I respect what Bob has down and his 13 yr  "never say die" saga to win the USA and turn pro.
I consider bodybuilding more like performing art than a muscle show, so right there I am really different anyway LOL
9  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Nightmare scenario for the IFBB on: April 02, 2008, 03:35:07 PM
Bob has been running around defending this and patching that and still the dam has burst. No one can save the IFBB.
Vince, the Arnold had a record crowd this yr I believe.
I am afraid our views on extreme drug use and related issues on physiques are in a very small minority.
Having said that, you may feel that ticket buyers like me contribute to the "problem".
Why knows? In the end I am a fan and simply want to go to a top notch event.
10  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Guys , if you were a good looking babe, and had to choose only one: on: April 02, 2008, 03:16:09 PM
Fake titties, simply not close to real ones.  It's like comparing rocks to pillows.  Even a good breast job, is a shitty one. Wink  Play with a set of reall DD or DDD's, then go fuck around with some fake tits...not even close, plus, you know their fake.
I'd choose titties.  You can do more with them, but a nice ass is always welcomed.  To get both, you'll probably be sacrificing on the face...God is just cruel like that.  To get all 3, almost impossible.
I'd go with face, titties, ass...in that order.  It's amazing how many people will overlook a shitty face for a nice ass.  Maybe to bang once, but never for a girlfriend.  I could never look at an ugly face on a constant basis...regardless of how the body was.
Ya a pretty face is  the top priority for a gf.
I am not much of a boob man, a girl can be flat as a board and have pretty face, smile and nice butt and I am a-ok
11  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Luke Wood Gains 50lbs in 3 Months (pics) on: April 02, 2008, 03:11:40 PM
Cheesy,,the fella is a professional bodybuilder,,that means money $ = your body ,,if he dont look half decent then pack the begs and go home,,but to say no one of getbig can look like that its not right,,actually ill go and say that 9 out of 10 of getbig members can look as big as thick and as muscular as luke with similar body fat and skin elasticity if they use what he uses which consist

testosterone
nandrolone/eq
anapolon/dianabol
growth
insulin
t3

he uses lots more but anyone from this board,,well almost any one from this board after 5 years on the above in some form will look like luke ,,maybe not 275lb since that fella will be 5'9 and not 6 feet but 250+ at similar bodyfat%

the momst you all get it you will understand bodybuilding
You seem like a fairly bright individual , and posting what you feel is true.
I have no idea if it is correct however.
In my humble opinion, anyone that is wacky enough to put all that crap in his body at the same time is damn foolish.
If it really takes ALL that , then they should quit and get another "career".
12  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Guys , if you were a good looking babe, and had to choose only one: on: April 02, 2008, 03:05:26 PM
i would choose a large cock.

any other questions?
So ya wnna be a trannie or a drag queen? Shocked

Ed, taking this thread to a Freudian level of psychoanalysis is as useless as making long rambling posts about drugs in bodybuilding is.

It has been my experience that girls tend to be neurotic about their butt. They know guys love the hind end but they wish they were looking at the headlights and face more.
13  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / weed wacker forearm training/ home training tips on: April 02, 2008, 02:59:21 PM
I got a new weed wacker -grass trimmer yesterday. A "top of the line" Homelite 13" electric, for the royal sum of $26.95 at Home Depot. I actually got a decent forearm pump from some intense trimming along the fence line in the backyard. I also got in a little cardio when I chased the dogs with it.
I keep this up and I will get a physique to rival Hank Hill...or Bobby.
14  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Guys , if you were a good looking babe, and had to choose only one: on: April 02, 2008, 02:53:22 PM
Booty, you can always buy the boobs.
No ya gotta choose LOL. You get one or the other , no buying any extra after the fact hehe
15  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Is HowieW now a Gimmick? on: April 02, 2008, 02:52:26 PM
That's where I usually aim Wink

I am starting to train twice oer day now and staying on my diet....alert BIG Nation radio and muscle phone.
This had nothing to do with this thread or reply, but I am bored , middle aged and fat, so what now?
16  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: An open letter to Bob Chic on: April 02, 2008, 02:40:47 PM
Since this topic will never die, or be resolved, here's my take:

Drugs are here to stay.  People in the right places are making plenty of cash...promoters, supp companies.  Even 'some' atheletes. 

To them, there's nothing wrong with the equation.

And it all comes down to cash.  Nobody will care about bodybuilding once the cashflow stops.  Think about it...even the supplement industry, where there is NO regulation.  You don't have to prove a damn thing, you just have to market it properly and make the cash...until your product sells poorly, then you start the whole damn process again.

Listen to Serge Nubret on PBW....he took NO supplements, like protein.  Steroids, I'm sure he did just like the rest.  But the MINDSET of the guys back then was to TRAIN hard, eat hard and compete.

That formula worked for during the 70's....you had guys with superior genetics winning titles.  But there are SO FEW guys who can compete at that level due to their genetics, that unless you had something that allows ANYBODY to compete, you'd still have five guys at the Mr O contest and supplement and magazine companies wouldn't be where they are now.

It's all business...and that's what's truly ruining bodybuilding.

Check out CURLING...many people love that game (sport, whatever).  They get NO money from winning world titles, but people watch it, follow it, and it gets national television coverage...and you can SEE the passion their have for the game.

Right now, CURLING has a bigger following than pro bodybuilding.  That's sad, but very telling:  mainstream success doesn't mean jack unless you've got something worth competing for.

Bodybuilding won't be mainstream again until you get another Arnold...which doesn't look likely.  The closest I see is Phil Heath....there's a guy who LOVES bodybuilding, and doesn't look or talk like a guy who's on death row two weeks before a contest!!!

The golden eras of ANY sport 'happen' because you get a guy with CHARISMA to bring new blood into the sport.

It's true for basketball (Jordan), hockey (Gretzky, Crosby) and golf (Woods).  The only thing about bodybuilding is that for you to even CONSIDER becoming great, you must break the law.

And most smart people never bother doing that, because they know they don't have the genetics to beat someone like Phil Heath, even with ALL the drugs in the world.

At the end of the day, either you choose to like bodybuilding or you don't.  Don't expect the system to change as long as you fund and take part in the status quo.

And Chick...I seriously doubt that 10 people attend the natural shows.  FAME holds many contests up in Canada and the USA and they PACK auditoriums...and the competitors are (as much as can be proven thus far) natural trainers. 

If only the NPC put a lil more emphasis on the natural shows...THAT'S what would turn this trend around, as well.  They'll NEVER do it though because there's no money in it.  Simple.

Thanks for the comments, though.  Nice to hear some intelligent comments for a change on this topic.
Great post and I hope EVERYONE on get big reads it.
I know what you mean about lack of coverage and $$ in natural shows. I went to the Musclemania Universe and Fitness comp 4 years ago in Miami. I expected THAT to be a big show and it was in terms of bodybuilders and fitness babes on stage. The audiance was made up of no more than 100 people plus those that were in the show.
Frank Zane is my ideal MR Olympia and I was always a fan the Bob Paris physique.I have always viewed bodybuilding as performing art more than a muscleman exhibit. Thus, I know I am different than many in the hardcore crowd.
On that note, the posing routines of Kai Greene are more like what I prefer to see.
Unlike some , I see no point in "calling out " some individual pro on his drug use. They are all in the same boat and why should a fan hassle those he buys a ticket to see on stage.
The bottom line for me, after the dust clears, is that big bodybuilding contests are a lot of fun to attend.
Drug use is a "policy issue", rather than a "personal issue" for me.
Thanks again for a great post, I may not agree with 100% of your ideas, but I enjoyed reading them.
17  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Why I must post about drug use in bodybuilding... on: April 02, 2008, 02:19:26 PM
"Why I had to die"

Yours sincerly,
Howie

 Cry
Hey why not hehehehe.
Maybe Issac would give me a Muscle Phone text memorial:
 Embarrassed HowieW , the rambling, chunky bodybuilder , physics teacher and get big  poster ,died today. It appears his ex wife/ gf screwed him to death.
The medical report revealved that the intense 34 sec of lovemaking was too much for his fat ass.He is survived by his 2 dogs and 2,300,546 posts on bodybuilding drug use.
18  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates? on: April 02, 2008, 02:05:55 PM
of course Dorian, his mentality and focus toward training was like 100%,
while Ronnie trained hard but he was still having a bit of fun in between sets
Ronnie was better on the more basic lifts . Dorian was more mahcine like overall.
Hard to say who really did train "harder", both were classic hardcore , no frills style of trainers.
I have both the Coleman "That's Incredible " and Yates " Blood and Guts training videos.
Ronnies 2 resp with 800 along with all the incredible barbell lifting is incredible.
But for pure training value I would say Yates was more effective.
Most normal guys would get injured or NOT grow as much traing like Ronnie did with the loose form and heavy basic moves. Yates style is something ANYONE could use and make gains.

Arnold had the best overall form however , as seen in Pumping Iron.
Howard
19  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Luke Wood Gains 50lbs in 3 Months (pics) on: April 02, 2008, 01:59:59 PM
A lot of harder core BBers enjoy fighting/fighting sports.  We're not talking the hollywood club types.

Actually, its hard to do both.  Thats one of the reasons why I don't compete anymore.  You don't fight nearly as well being super heavy, not to mention your wind goes quickly.  Its great to be strong when fighting but you have to condition the endurance fibers and the muscle use is much more tied to coordination & speed.
I crack on the MMA, but in reality have a lot of respect for the athletic ability of those guys.
I used to be into maratial arts when  I was younger, and am inda glad MMA full contact cage fights were not in vogue back then. I was dumb enough to have gone into the cage and gotten wasted LOL.
I used to spar with a couple friends in the College Tai Kwon Do club . I ordered a couple sets of safety kick and punch gear. The safety kick only covered the top and some of the sides of the foot.
I had a good time, and found it a decent work out.
Funny, how as you get older, the desire to get into an actual fight goes way down.
20  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Dexter Jackson guestposing at Vancouver USA Mar. 29, 2008 on: April 02, 2008, 01:53:41 PM
Phil Heath will destroy him at the Mr O.
Just like he did at he Arnold? ouch Shocked
I think Dexter can defeat ANY pro out there today. I am major fan of Jay and think he desrves to be  Mr Olympia. But Dexter beat Jay cleanly at the 2003 GNC here in ATL.
I hear all these "wait and see " comments, to which I say, wait and see what exactly?
Dexter just won 3 straight and looked incredible. I think he has legit shot at Jay and the O if Jay is off again or doesn't make any progress himself.
21  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Why I must post about drug use in bodybuilding... on: April 02, 2008, 01:42:35 PM
cool i'll shoot the address to the cemetary via PM.
LOL,  Grin
22  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Why I must post about drug use in bodybuilding... on: April 02, 2008, 01:38:27 PM
how much money will it take for you to go away Howie?
Just one night with your momma is payment enough
23  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Guys , if you were a good looking babe, and had to choose only one: on: April 02, 2008, 11:24:01 AM
Ok you are a pretty babe , but can only have on hot feature.
Would you choose, incredible boobs or boomin' booty?
24  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Why I must post about drug use in bodybuilding... on: April 02, 2008, 11:18:42 AM
Let me first say that four score and 7 yrs ago, our founding fathers, Ben and Joe, came south to our great country to form a  new nation of bodybuilders. This union was formed in a .....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzz

Post terminated due to the middle age old fart who is posting it, held in a fart and his head exploded.
25  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Is HowieW now a Gimmick? on: April 02, 2008, 11:15:26 AM
Good comeback Smiley
Thanks , but I must admit your tuna/ass vagina smell crack,was a real shot "below the belt" Shocked
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