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26  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Steroid kingpin pleads guilty to 12 counts on: May 02, 2012, 12:51:14 AM
Arnold Jr won't recover  Grin

I don't understand your comment.
27  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Steroid kingpin pleads guilty to 12 counts on: May 02, 2012, 12:49:59 AM

This is a pro AAS forum, so i expect this kind of bias.

The argument here is simplistic to the point where it appears logical. It's not.

AAS has definite affects on the brain, and the combined affect on the body, as well as its high attrition rate for those who abuse it, make it a potential social problem. You cant compare it to smoking, as thats a legacy problem that is beyond fixing via legal avenues.

You are a fool if you think AAS is benign or "not as much of a problem as..."

Still, this being the forum it is, i expect many reasons why it should be legal and justification for its continued use, as well as underestimation of its damaging effects on the body, psychii and physiology...not to mention the flow on problems they cause.

Can you provide any data to support what you're saying? I'm referring to the brain and body related effects you are referring to. I'm not being an ass, I honestly asking.

Here is some factual data.

*During the steroid hearings leading to the Steroid Control Act of 1990, the AMA, FDA, NIDA and DEA all stated there was no evidence anabolic steroids held any mentally addicting or altering characteristics necessary to Schedule the substances. Congress would then respond with its normal comment that this wasn't about healthy effects more than it was protecting sports and children...the same comment used when passing the Steroid Control Act of 2004. In short, congress had to break its own law to Schedule anabolic steroids as they did not meet the requirement necessary to Schedule a substance. The same would apply to the physical damaging effects; the AMA would state there was no evidence and on this basis stated "We vehemently oppose the ban" a statement shared by the other health and law enforcement agencies.

*Former U.S. Olympic Team physicians, I can't remember the exact yr, it was the 1990's stated after much research the effects of anabolic steroids on the brain appear to be so small they cannot be measured if they exist at all. They were referring to the mind altering effects often purported, not to testosterones relationship to mental health.

*1996, the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) releases its study "The Effects of Supraphysiologic Doses of Testosterone on Muscle Size and Strength in Normal Men." There were 40 men in the study ranging from 19 to 49 yrs old, 20 were given 600mg of Testosterone-Enanthate per wk for 10wks. All health and mental factors were measured and evaluated prior to the test. At the conclusion of the test, no health or mental problems were found in a single man, they would even state there were no changes whatsoever in the mood inventory portion of the test and that the family members of each individual reported no changes in mood or behavior.

*In almost 100yrs, there has yet to be a single recorded death directly linked to anabolic steroid use. Not one. Compare this to NSAID painkillers that claim the lives of more than 16,500 Americans alone each and every year.

*For the last decade plus, Dr. Gary Wadler, the leader of the anti-AAS movement, the primary physician called upon by congress and head of the Olympic anti-doping commission has repeatedly stated we don't know what the serious effects of steroids are because we can't do testing because they're too dangerous. How on earth does a comment like that make sense and more importantly, how has it been deemed logical?

I could continue to list countless examples like all of the above, my question again is where is your data? If you quote a government health website, this doesn't count if they make a statement but provide no data to back it up. Most who believe steroids to be the evil they perceive believe so because that's what they've been told countless times without any facts or data to back it up. That's simply the truth. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying there are not potential side-effects, of course there are; if you put anything into your body there are potential side-effects. Some people can't take Aspirin, some people can't drink milk or eat peanuts or it will make them sick. Even vitamins carry some possible horrific side-effects; does this mean we need to Schedule Aspirin, milk, peanuts and vitamins? Further, it has been proven time and time again the side-effects of anabolic steroids can be controlled and largely avoided if you supplement with the intelligence slightly above a plant and are a healthy adult.
28  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: Coming off Gear HELP on: May 02, 2012, 12:26:30 AM
Could be a dumb question but running clen with PCT a very bad idea?  Low doses

The idea behind Clen use during PCT is that it will protect your gains made on cycle because it carries an anabolic nature and that it will help control possible fat-gain that can come during this period.

As for the anabolic nature of Clen, when it first hit the market it was assumed it would be an extremely anabolic compound. This assumption was based on several studies using rats. However, once applied to human beings it was found it did not have this effect. Yes, there was some mild anabolic activity due to the Clen in some cases, but we're talking extremely mild to none at all. In all honesty, high fat foods will promote more anabolic activity than Clen...that's not a sarcastic comment.

As for fat gain prevention, sure, it can help, but controlling your diet will do more for you here.
29  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: Instant Ban on: May 02, 2012, 12:17:20 AM
In the matters of heart, women could be conniving bitches whores. They will use and abuse you, as long as they are getting what they want. They will spread em' till the cows come home to roost. Think Nancy Pelosi, whenever any woman want to distance herself from you. Don't trust them as far as you can throw them. And don't mix business and pleasure. What i put into my body is nobodies business. Nor should it be theirs, no matter how close they are.

I don't completely disagree with the last statement but I do in part. I've heard others make this argument before as it pertains to steroids "What i put into my body is nobodies business." The problem with the argument is it should be, "What i put into my body is nobodies business so as long as my actions are not hurting anyone." Some could say I'm being to anal, but it's a necessary distinction IMO.

I once unknowingly dated a girl addicted to opiates, I had no clue and had never been around that type of person. Needless to say, what she was putting in her body affected me in a terrible way. She would end up stealing a massive amount of money from me to support her habit.

Granted, Texastriceps story sounds like a woman just used what he put into his body in a way to hurt him out of spite. Of course, I can think of divorce cases where the guy probably deserved it...I'm not accusing Texastriceps of this at all, I don't know the guy, he could be a great guy, I'm just saying there are instances I can think in particular where I'd say this woman has any right to do or use anything she can to bury a man.

All of that said, you bet, there are some terrible women out there who will use AAS to destroy you and they're the ones that belong in jail.

  thanks, but at the end of the day I dont blame her I blame me I was stupid.  As a US Marine I was taught to think out all possible sceanarios and plan for the worst case I didnt I was lazy and not forward thinking but thats why I took the time to write it out so completely because I had had people tell me keep your personal life seperate 9 out of 10 guys in jail are there in some form or fashion because of a woman.  I knew this and didnt heed it I hope this next generation of guys listens, Im not old, 33 in fact but I got into lifting at 21, hardcore at 22 I could have 5 more years of cycles and training had I not been stupid.  I do have a script now.  Its not nearly enough but Im legal.

Two years for possession? This had to be your second case because max time is one yr for a first time offender unless there's an underlying factor. By no means am I asking you to share, the board is fully aware that I had some legal trouble in the past and I don't share my business.
30  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: IP HGH 25iu kits on: May 01, 2012, 06:50:32 PM
I would worry about anything IP makes. That man has probably killed somebody with that gear by now-seriously! at least hospatalized due to not be sterile enough for injection

Very true. The thing is, IP is so massive that regardless of what we say here his business will continue to thrive. There are so many guys out there who assume if it says steroids on the bottle it must be real and it's got to be good; after all, it says steroids. I'm not saying people here think that way, but there's more people using steroids out there than post on getbig or msg boards in general.

People want steroids so badly they'll believe anything someone tells them and as long as they get a little anabolic affect they're usually happy. I remember there was some gear floating around my home state a handful of yrs ago that a bunch of guys were going on and on about. They were talking about $30 bottles of Test-e, $35 for Tren, Prop for $20. I told them they were all probably stupid and one of them got so tired of my mouth he gave me a bottle of the test. As much as I hate to say it, GH15 was always right about what he said about testosterone, quality test has a distinct smell...basically, I've always said its that very familiar smell you can't quite put your finger on, you know, the smell of testosterone, almost the smell of what you'd imagine a sweaty nut sack smelling like. Needless to say, this bottle lacked the smell, I tried it and yes it was crap. I would later give the same guy 10 Testoviron Depot amps and 50 anabol tabs and 10 Jinan Tren amps...that's what it takes to convert people.

Most people are only used to garbage, most of the guy even here probably haven't used a lot of really high quality gear, not because they're stupid but it can be hard to get. Think about, all the guys praising generic HGH like it's heaven on earth...they go through 100iu's of actual Pharma HGH and they'll despise those generic kits. Same with test, tren and everything else.
31  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: IP HGH 25iu kits on: May 01, 2012, 02:35:50 PM
IP is one of the biggest suppliers on the market, has been for years and mass produces an enormous amount of gear at an extremely cheap rate, and this is what draws people in. Unfortunately, it's been proven time and time again to be low grade. Notoriously under-dosed, outright counterfeits have not been uncommon, mislabeled orals that are actually low dose Dbol tabs, and even contaminated products...basically, all the things you don't want in your gear.

As for the guy who had his post deleted, I didn't see it but no one would delete your post based on your opinion. If that was the case, I'd delete half of the post on this board. If it got deleted, it would only do so if you said something you're not supposed to say.

As for you agenda crying still make me laugh, lol!
32  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: Fina legal? on: May 01, 2012, 02:29:13 PM
Why would I keep in mind whats legal in USA?

I never talked or hinted at USA and have stated specifically that in some countries personal use is ok and advised OP to look up his local rights.

He didnt ask about the USA so why are we talking about the USA. Many other countries have just as tight law against AAS so USA is no exception.

I mentioned the U.S. because the majority of the guys who post here live in the U.S. Yes, there are plenty on here who don't, but most do.

As for the law, the U.S. is about as strict as it gets, there are other countries who are pretty strict too, but it's far more lenient in many countries.

As for your post, you stated something that may or may not be true...this "grey area" you're talking about, you stated it in a matter of fact way, when it's not a fact in many places. It's definitely not a fact in the U.S. and it's not a fact in the U.K. although in the U.K. you can legally buy steroids but it has to be from a pharmacy.

I just thought your response was too open ended. No need to get all upset.
33  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: Fina legal? on: May 01, 2012, 10:50:51 AM
To my knowledge ordering the powder is legal.

COnverting them is part of personal use (in certain countries) and therefore not automatically illegal (personal use is a nice grey area where the cops can abuse people without problems).

Selling it would be in all countries illegal.

Check local laws for more inprecise and uncertain laws!

Just keep in mind, there is no such thing as personal use in the U.S....there is no grey area in the U.S. law as it pertains to anything steroid related. The law is very precise, it's insane and holds some massive hypocrisy but it is clear and precise.

34  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Forward. on: May 01, 2012, 10:47:22 AM
Well he did fail in that regard, it's time for GOP to be taken to jail for destroying this country and for taking bribes from big corporations.

There are several in the GOP who probably deserve to be in jail...several more on the other side of the aisle too for giving out the entitlements that have destroyed the financial security or the country as well as its sense of dignity.
35  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Forward. on: April 30, 2012, 08:50:32 PM
Roll Eyes

I don't care what you think of him, he's still better than the commie we have now.

Romney is better than Obama all day long, but Ronald McDonald and the Hamburglar would be better than Obama. Still, I don't see Romney being the total answer either. The only way the U.S. will ever get back on track will take a president and congress that is initially hated beyond anything we've seen so far. It'll take a president who does not care about anything but the country, not the people but the country...there's a difference. The things that would need to be done would piss off so many people he would end up being a president with about 3% approval rating...the only ones approving being the 3% in the U.S. who still understand what the U.S. is supposed to be.
36  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Forward. on: April 30, 2012, 08:40:55 PM
Like Romney is going to help anyone.  Guy is a fucking scheister.

This post right here^^^^ sums up exactly everything that is wrong in America 100%. How or why people think any president or government in general is supposed to help them, this is the problem. This is what takes away from liberty, this is what's costing us an unsustainable amount of money, and regardless of who's president if it continues we will collapse.

It's entitlement, apathy and complacency. That's the problem, and the above post states and shows it perfectly.
37  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: Coming off Gear HELP on: April 30, 2012, 03:19:26 PM
ah, so youd agree that if he plans to go back after couple months anyway, then he can save himself the pct hassle, right?

ill ask him, if hes going off for longer, ill suggest the above, thanks.

Correct, there's no point if you're going to only be off-cycle for a short period of time...this makes a PCT counterproductive.

I have tapered off with good results,and I have just stopped cold turkey.......took a while to get back to normal,but no real big deal.

I never do insane amounts for very long times as I prefer to build up in dosage,stay at a peak dosage for a few weeks,then lower it back down.........usually pre-contest.

I have never done any PCT................doing OK so far.

I've heard a lot of guys say this in-regards to never implementing a PCT plan. However, while you may indeed be fine, what if you could do better? Why wouldn't you want to?

That said, I just want to reiterate when I talk about PCT I'm referring to long off periods. If you're on and off in more of a constant fashion then that changes things IMO. 
38  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: Coming off Gear HELP on: April 30, 2012, 01:23:11 PM
i have a friend whos planning to come off soon, what do you suggest?

hes been on some 500mg test for half a year or so.

serious question.

i have kinda given up on pct out of frustration tbh, but ill still consider suggestions.

as for what people expect, yes, its unrealistic, they think they be back to normal after a week,haha Grin

i appreciate any positive effect.

i just got my test results today, after 4 months off, they are just ok, but very very low.i posted about it on my bloodwork thread. Lips sealed

I'd have him drop his test down to 200mg/wk for 3-4wks and then come off. If it's a small ester base test, I'd start HCG 2-3 days after that, if it's a large ester base I'd start HCG 10 days after the last injection.

In either case, I'd go with 10 straight days of HCG at 1,000iu/ed....500iu might be enough, but I'd go with 1,000. After that, I'd start Nolvadex or Clomid...just pick one.

WK 1: 40mg/ed
WK 2: 40mg/ed
WK 3: 20mg/ed
WK 4: 20mg/ed
WK 5: 10mg/ed
WK 6: 10mg/ed

WK 1: 150mg/ed
WK 2: 150mg/ed
WK 3: 100mg/ed
WK 4: 100mg/ed
WK 5: 50mg/ed
WK 6: 50mg/ed

Anyway, I'd only do this if he's going to be off for three plus months after this PCT plan, otherwise it's pointless as he'll just be suppressing what he just stimulated and that's too much stress on the body.
39  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: Coming off Gear HELP on: April 30, 2012, 11:32:52 AM
i believe in going off cold turkey.

i have yet to see anyone having a god pct result.

if you were on gear for long enough time, the body will take its time to recover, sometimes years till full recovery.

and no pct gonna change that.

i know people who did all the pct after cycles and had the test levels of eunuchs even a year after.

me myself ive tried pct before, and it didnt work for me.maybe i havent figured it out properly, but then, nobody i know has.

I think a lot of guys who don't like PCT plans normally don't because they're expecting something out of them that's not possible...more than likely, they're expecting the wrong things.

Yes, there's a chance the body will recover all on its own, but if you've been on gear for a very long time, especially with periods of harsh amounts it can become very difficult to impossible to recover your levels in some cases. Sure, there's no PCT plan on earth that will bring you to a full recovery, but that's not the point of a PCT plan.

The point in a PCT plan is twofold; to cut down recovery time and provide enough testosterone for normal function. If you have a good PCT plan, you'll stimulate natural production and while your levels won't be stable at the high end they were before your cycle you will have enough for a healthy body while your levels continue to naturally rise over the next several months.

Now, does it always help? Of course not, if you severely damaged your HPTA while on cycle your levels might not ever recover...there are probably more guys in this boat than realize it.

40  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: Day 3 of pain and lying on the couch. on: April 26, 2012, 07:39:44 PM
Here`s a tip..........side delts and glutes = problem solved in most cases where insanely painful quad injects are concerned.

No doubt...there's no reason for anyone to need quad shots. Even in the insane days of 8billion injections a wk I wouldn't pin quads. Delts and glutes primary, and you can move all over both, and pecs and triceps secondary if needed.

I always use my quads for shots. Easy to aspirate and easy to shoot. Left and right. Delta are good too but I need to bug someone to push it in I just move the pin too much.

When I first started using gear I injected my quads regularly. Then I eventually had the first painful spot, then the second and then a third and that was more. The odds are just so much better injecting other muscle groups...too much can go wrong with quads and there's just no reason.
41  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: Instant Ban on: April 24, 2012, 05:07:22 PM
can we still discuss labs

Brands are fine. You can talk about Schering, Watson, and Organon or any brand you can think of all you want. However, if it's a UG brand carried by only one UG supplier this is going to change things.

Not trying to be difficult, but for now it simply has to be this way.

You can also do source checks via PM....however, I will not be one who provides source checks.
42  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Best (rock) song top 3, no album, just one song.. on: April 24, 2012, 04:21:50 PM
Metallica - Master of Puppets or Creeping Death....Fade to Black is right there with them.

So far nothing else in this thread comes close to any of those songs IMO.
43  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: The Myth About Flat Bench is True on: April 24, 2012, 04:19:31 PM
For years I've always done flat bench and I've never had an discomfort or injuries from it.

For years I've seen people write how it's dangerous; even the great Dorian Yates says it's a bad exercise.

Finally last week I injured myself doing this movement, with only 225 lbs.  I thought it was a freak accident, and this week my shoulder has felt fine, until I did flat bench again.  I've done shoulder presses with 300 lbs the other day, and no pain at all, but 145 lbs on the flat bench cripples my shoulder.

It's only that exercise that causes the pain, therefore I believe the myth that flat bench is bad.

Heed this advice for you natural lifters.

Natural or not it's a bad is the Hammer Strength Incline Machine.
44  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: is test detectable on any steroid test if levels and t:e ratios are in range on: April 24, 2012, 03:52:57 PM
If you're in a 6:1 ratio, Testosterone:Epitestosterone, you should be's the ratio surpassing 6:1 that gets you into trouble....4:1 in some cases, but this depends on who's doing the testing and 6:1 is normally the standard.

Anyway, even though it's synthetic testosterone, it's just testosterone and your body does not make a distinguishing difference between naturally produced and exogenously provided.

All of that said, keep in mind it wouldn't take a large dose of Testosterone-Propionate to throw your ratio out of line. As for hair follicle testing, I'm not aware of testosterone related hair follicle testing...if someone else is they'll have to chime in on that one.
45  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: Instant Ban on: April 24, 2012, 03:47:28 PM
A lil too late

Gh15 already did damage

Any threads or post you know of that need to be edited or deleted please PM the link to me.
46  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Instant Ban on: April 24, 2012, 03:06:11 PM
If you post the name of a private supplier or any supplier who wishes not to be mentioned, your post or thread will be deleted. If you do it a second time, you will be banned from getbig.

Your safest bet is to not post supplier names. If it's a large supplier who happens to advertise on every last board, has a giant open website and sticks out like a sore thumb, that's one thing, but your best bet is to just keep your mouth shut or your hands off the keyboard.

This is not a source board, and if that's what you're looking for look somewhere else.
47  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: When and Why PCT on: April 23, 2012, 12:06:26 PM
I actually run clomid while on cycle in bursts since i pretty much stay on all year, it helps with out alot of things and is a safer version of HCg in my opinion as my balls stay full and my loads huge...  arnold pretty much convinced me to stay away from hcg unless i truly had no sperm count and i was trying to the girl prego

I've actually never really thought of this, but if it would work and help I'd be a much bigger fan of on-cycle Clomid as you described over HCG all day long.
48  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: New kigs-- confirmed by gh15 on: April 23, 2012, 09:55:24 AM
B-boy praises everything he gets for free! And from what I hear they give him the top shelf supply like the NQK's. it's like a selective scam! They send the best stuff to BBoy and Bigher guys who are already huge so they can give people hope. But they fucked up when they sent slinpimp his kits as he knew they were bunk right away! I know kami is on this board tring to figure out who is a real BB and who is new to the game. the guys who are new to BB get the bunk or weak kits. the advanced guys that are always updating pics and are GH15 elfs usually get the good batch. its just a selective scam! No consistency at all was shown last time these kits were released. B-Boy didn't get to that level just using kigtropin and even though he is on it people are sending him NQK's. If he ran the bunk batch you still think you would go pro? I doubt it! I doubt you go pro anyway. If you do congrats but you will not make a cent! New pro bodybuilders who do not place do not make money. keep your day job as kublai

Pro Bodybuilding, you talk about something that continues to ram the proverbial barbed-wire covered broom handle up its own ass. The way this industry is run, and the fact that the competitors allow's not only insane it's mind blowing! And it's not just pro bodybuilding, IFBB and NPC both are continually crashing and burning with only a few left standing on top of the pile of money and none of those few are competitors. I could rant about this for thirty pages and I have before but no one ever listens so I'll shut up.

49  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: primo enanthate on: April 23, 2012, 09:45:51 AM
What do you mean reduce your test level? all androgens will suppress free/total test level, even anavar. I remember about 7-8 years ago when I did primo cycle only at 400mg a week I went to a doc for blood work my total test was about 800 and after I discontinue cycle I went back to a doc cause I was not feeling well and he run blood work again, he put me on androgen gel cause my total test was wack like 200 but free test was getting back to normal as usually

I'm not sure I'm understanding your comments. Sounds like you're disagreeing with me but then your story proves my point. I don't think that was your intention so you've left me confused.
50  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: When and Why PCT on: April 22, 2012, 06:13:30 PM
Can you explain why you stated that timeline I bolded above please. I'm gonna be moving to another planet so I won't be able to bring my gear... so I'll be coming off for some time.

Fair question.

Well, if you're not going to be off that long, all you'll do is stimulate production only to shut it right back down...not only does that not make any sense I can't imagine it being the healthiest thing in the world to do to your body. As is the case, once you complete a PCT plan, which is going to take 4-6wks, although stimulating production is a big part of the idea another part is simply letting your body normalize...letting it have a period to do all it does on it's own. There's nothing really all that magical about the 12wk mark, but much less would make a PCT pointless in my opinion.
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