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51  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: New kigs-- confirmed by gh15 on: April 22, 2012, 06:06:33 PM
The point is that is closest to
Pharm grade. U keep
On consistenly
Missing the point. The best generics are thanks novos rips and kigs. The kigs are dosed correctly and i think better than thanks as im
Running both currently.

I have no problem with people saying XYZ brand HGH is the closest thing to Pharma Grade as any generic can be...that's fine. I used to say that about several of GPL's products back years ago. It just annoys me when people say this is Pharma Grade HGH or better than any Pharma Grade HGH they've ever used...it gives people false hope IMO.

As fat as the Kigs being consistent, based on what happened this past year I don't understand how anyone can go ahead and praise these things saying they're good to go, this is fantastic stuff and always will be in such a short time. In the grand scheme of things, only a few seconds have past since these things were a horrific disaster. Sure, they hold to some consistency over a period of time, more than a few nano seconds and I'll shut up about it. 

I'm really not trying to be an ass about all this, for you guys that like this HGH I hope you can grow and progress like never before. I'm simply trying to look at things realistically based on what we know and what we've seen...to me that's the only sound approach.
52  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: New kigs-- confirmed by gh15 on: April 22, 2012, 04:53:57 PM
LOL at some of you guys, why all the hassle, use whatever gh you think is best, I will use kigs and i will be on stage at the most competitive amature bodybuilding show in the nation in november. i will ask all the guys that place below me what gh they used to prep for their show.
im not gonna sit here and badmouth anyones gh. use what you think is good, how simple is that.

It doesn't matter what we think is best, what matters is what is best.

What if I said, "I don't want to use Tren because it's not a steroid and I only want to use steroids. Therefore, I'm going to eat pickles because that's the best steroid of all." If that's what I believe, does it somehow magically become true? And yes, I realize my example is over the top but it's the same kind of thing.

All that said, if you think it's good GH, I don't care what you do with it, use it, don't use, whatever. That's not the point...the point is calling this Pharma Grade HGH, when there is no logic whatsoever for giving it such a label...it's almost insulting to Pharma Grade HGH and it gives a lot of guys who may be a little new to bodybuilding and performance enhancement a false sense of what is and what isn't. Guys like GH15 are always saying they are here to promote the truth and get rid of all the lying...that's pretty ironic when this is one massive lie.
53  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: When and Why PCT on: April 22, 2012, 04:49:37 PM
Great thread! What would you recommend as a PCT for a very mild cycle?

A few wks of Clomid or Nolvadex. Suppression is suppression, and general Nolva or Clomid plans will work for most cycles. Depending on the harshness of the cycle, this is when you might consider adding in HCG or extending the Nolva or Clomid use.
54  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: primo enanthate on: April 22, 2012, 04:48:32 PM
I meant after I came off.  Went from well over 1200 to around 800....My normal levels are around 600.  But that was when I was younger than 30.  I'm over 30 now. 

Primo is not nearly as suppressive as you are making it out to be.  Trenbolone maybe.  Deca maybe.  But primo is one of the few compounds I have taken where I have suffered very little post cycle depression, erection/libido issues, and muscle loss etc.  One of the best drugs out there bar none. 

I'm not trying to make it sound tremendously suppressive. A lot of guys simply think it's not suppressive when that's simply not the truth. It's more suppressive than Anavar, Winstrol and Halo without question, but nowhere near as suppressive as Test, Tren or Deca. I'm not sure how you can put Tren and Deca in a maybe category, a steroid cannot get more suppressive than these.

Yes, Primo is much milder on suppression than many steroids.
55  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: primo enanthate on: April 22, 2012, 03:04:30 PM
BS!  Utter BS!  I've used primo for 12+ weeks and my levels dropped only a couple hundred points.  Tren will not reduce them completely either.  What garbage!  And you're a mod on here?  LOL........

All 19-nor compounds will cause extreme testosterone suppression. A mere 100mg of Nandrolone will completely shut down 100% of your production and while a single 100mg of Trenbolone won't cause total suppression, a few consecutive will do so once compounded on one another. This is isn't BS, it's just the nature of these hormones.

If you've used Primo for 12wks and your levels dropped a couple hundred points, this doesn't tell us much. If your natural levels were around 500ng/dl a couple hundred points would easily be a 50% drop. All Metenolone has a suppressive nature, regardless of the ester attached. Here's a reference if you need one.

Comparative Studies about the influence of MetenoloneAcetate and Mesterolone on hypophysis and male gonads. Arzneimittelforshung. 1970 20(4) 545-7


56  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / When and Why PCT on: April 22, 2012, 02:55:35 PM
Over the last year or so, getbig has largely become the anti-PCT bodybuilding board, and for the life of me I do not understand why. I've yet to hear anyone offer up a reasonable explanation. Most will say, just don't come off and you don't need a PCT...that's true, if you do not come off you won't be implementing a PCT plan. Even so, everyone, every last person on earth comes off at some point. A lot of guys do not want to stay on year round or the vast majority of the year like a lot of you guys do...I would say the guys who stay on year round fall into a very small minority. Further, if you stay on year round or most of it year after year, at some point in time your life is going to change, there's going to be a reason for you to come off. Saying you're never going to come off is an irresponsible statement as you have no way in predicting the future.

At any rate, if you're going to be off for 12wks or more, a PCT plan just makes sense. No, there's no PCT plan on earth that's going to promote a full recovery on its own, you won't finish your PCT plan and have your test levels back to where they were prior to supplementation just because you ran a PCT plan. However, you will stimulate production, provide your body an adequate amount of testosterone to function properly and you'll do so all the while your natural levels continue to climb.

More importantly, this just protects your health. Low testosterone levels are tremendously damaging to your health as this is one of the single most important hormones your body produces. A lot of guys assume if their libido isn't severely suppressed and they don't have any erectile dysfunction problems they're in the clear, but those are just two aspects of a low level condition, two of many and not everyone falls prey to all the symptoms.

Granted, if you are going to be off for an extended period of time, your natural levels will increase on their own assuming you didn't suffer from a low level condition prior to supplementation and did not severely damage your HTPA during supplementation with poor practices, this is true, they will increase on their own. But it's going to be much slower, and there will be an extended period of time where your levels are extremely low and there's simply no logical reason for putting your body under this kind of stress when a simple and extremely cheap PCT plan can prevent it.

Anyway, that's my two cents.
57  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: New kigs-- confirmed by gh15 on: April 22, 2012, 02:43:17 PM
I wonder how many guys on the Olympia stage this year will be using Kigs? If I had to guess, I'd say it would be between Zero and None. I could be a little off, it might be more like absolutely no one, not one single competitor but I think that's a pretty sound estimation.
58  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: My first cycle total plan and stat, feedback. on: April 22, 2012, 02:01:40 PM
Can someone explain to me how nolva and arimidex differ? im not currently running nolva when on my test cycle but i think i am prone to the sides of estrogen. nipples are already pretty sore. would it be worth picking up some nolva and running it my entire cycle?

Arimidex is an Aromatase Inhibitor (AI), whereas Nolvadex is a Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator (SERM).

AI's function by inhibiting the aromatase process from occurring, and they lower the body's estrogen levels. They can also combat against progesterone.

SERM's function by binding to the receptor thereby preventing estrogen from binding; they do not inhibit aromatase, drop estrogen levels or do anything to combat progesterone.

SERM's can work for gyno prevention, some guys find it won't work though and only an AI will. Of course, an AI is going to help with water retention, a SERM won't, and an AI is also going to help with blood pressure as excess estrogen and water retention can increase blood pressure...SERM's won't help in this case.

Of course, AI's can have a negative impact on your cholesterol in a way SERM's cannot, and this makes not overdoing it important....it really makes your diet important. Live a lifestyle that promotest the continuation of good cholesterol levels and do not get insanely retarded with yoru AI and steroid doses and most adult men will be fine. Eating plenty of omega fatty acids is always a good idea as this will raise HDL levels, and as HDL cholesterol regulates LDL cholesterol this will improve your total reading.
59  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: My first cycle total plan and stat, feedback. on: April 22, 2012, 01:55:43 PM
OK

when i put it all togther, it would be like this.

(8weeks Test Propionate) 100mg EOD. Cycle start 1 MAY.

•Mon - 100mg Test. Propionate
•Wed - 100mg Test. Propionate
•Fri - 100mg Test. Propionate
•Sun - 100mg Test. Propionate

Letrozole in case of gyno 0,5mg eod will adjust it if so is needed( bloodwork)

PCT starts 3 days after last shot 5weeks Nolvadex.

PCT: Nolvadex
WK 1: 40mg/ed   
WK 2: 40mg/ed
WK 3: 20mg/ed
WK 4: 20mg/ed
WK 5: 10mg/ed

What are you thoughts on this??

Looks fine.
60  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: primo enanthate on: April 22, 2012, 01:55:11 PM
Doing a show in 7 days so dropped out the test prop and just doing tren & primo for the last 9 days that's ok isn't it?  Huh Huh

Should be fine.
61  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: primo enanthate on: April 22, 2012, 10:48:42 AM
Primo will reduce your test levels by 50%, Tren will reduce them completely in a couple weeks.
62  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: Vets, What steroids existed between the 1960-75 Classic Era on: April 22, 2012, 10:47:39 AM
Good thread.

For the oldies *cough* wes *cough*:

How does the human grade stuff e.g. test e, deca, pink thais nowadays compare with the stuff you took in the golden age?

I could be wrong, but I'd think if you walked into a CVS or Walgreens or wherever and got a bottle of Testosterone or Nandrolone it wouldn't be any different than a bottle in 1970. I'm referring to a legitimate product made by an actual compounding facility...the only kind a place like CVS or Walgreens is going to carry. Dbol, I could see that being a different story. Anyway, like I said, I could be wrong, but this would be my guess.
63  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: My first cycle total plan and stat, feedback. on: April 22, 2012, 10:22:48 AM
ive been on for a year straight, came off cold turkey with no pct, took about 2-3 months to get back to normal.the sex drive and having full rpoper hardons etc i mean.

will have full bloodwork done tomorow to see how everything else looks.



This is what I don't understand. Why not run the PCT then? If you had, you wouldn't have had that 2-3 month period it took to "get back to normal." Your sex drive and function would have been fine the entire time.

If you're going to be off-cycle for a while, there's simply no logical reason whatsoever for not running a PCT plan.
64  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: My first cycle total plan and stat, feedback. on: April 21, 2012, 09:21:21 PM
i didn't say it can't "protect" or "prevent" but once gyno sets in arimidex will do nothing about the gyno.



Yes, I agree with that. Letro is the only thing that can help once you have symptoms but Adex will normally protect...not always but usually.
65  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: New kigs-- confirmed by gh15 on: April 21, 2012, 09:20:34 PM
     

Human 22-kD-hGH - 191 - 22125
 Human 20-kD-hGH - 176 - 20270
 Human Recombinant r-hGH - 191 - 22125
 Human Recombinant Met-hGH*,^ - 192 - 22256
 Human Recombinant des-Phe1-hGH* - 190 - 21978

It is off by 121D ,, there are many problems with this 1 it is not known to our body as our body produces 22125 from our pituitary,

There are many problems that can occur from injecting 192AA,

1. your body does not absorb it so essentially you will get no benefits just sides
2. your body will develop anti bodies to it and thus you will need to constantly increase doseages to see the same results, which is not the case for pharm 191aa
3. it can cause too many unique side effects to name

Most generics are not even 192 they are combination isoforms meaning they may be 10% 191, 30% 192 , 15 % 176, 20% cjc or ghrps, and 25% of any filler additive you could immagine anything from diuretic, sodium, other cheap otc drug/medication, or anything your imagination can come up with..

That is why if you compare physique results with 2 identical twins with same genetics/ metabolism/ structure/ training routine eating patter Joe 1 who uses pharm grade will have 100% not 1 2 or 50 % better conditioning 100% because he is injecting a compound that his body knows and understands not a mix of compounds that your body is not sure what the fuck it is...

There have been studies where generics came back at 22200s so far off from any isoform to even be noted what it was, and these where the same generics scoring 18-25 on serums, just goes to show you

Fantastic post!

It does my heart good to know someone understands what quality HGH is supposed to be.

On a side-note, I've been really considering saving all my urine, bottling it up and slapping a pharma grade label on it. I figure if I can get a few of you guys to back me on this and say this is undoubtedly pharma grade HGH my understanding is this will somehow become magically true and we'll all be massively ripped and filthy rich to boot. 
66  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: suspension on: April 21, 2012, 06:48:45 PM
Human grade can hurt, but it seems to be hit or miss with most guys. UG stands the best chance of hurting due to bacteria.

Sides can be worse with Suspension than most other testosterones. You'd think since sides are a little easier to control with smaller esters they'd be easier to control with no ester but the aromatization level with pure testosterone is quite substantial. Nothing can bloat you as fast as Suspension, but it's also one of the easiest things in the world to control if you're smart about things.

As for what to expect, all the benefits of any testosterone compound, it's just testosterone. They'll simply hit you harder and faster.
67  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: My first cycle total plan and stat, feedback. on: April 21, 2012, 06:45:59 PM
I would prefer to use nolvadex, think it would be a better choice.
Arimidex would be used instead of letrozole in case of gyno, what are your thoughts on this?

Nolva or Clomid will work for PCT...a lot of guys have a preference but the best way is to see is to try one and try the other next time. Personally, I prefer Clomid even though it's about the only thing that's ever given me any acne...a little on my shoulders and back. Nothing bad.

Arimidex can protect you from gyno, I'm not sure why aesthetics is saying it can't. Now, if you get gyno symptoms, Letrozole is the only thing that stands a chance of subsiding them.
68  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: My first cycle total plan and stat, feedback. on: April 21, 2012, 01:28:17 PM
thanks, may take time for me to get the winstrol now since i just got my gear , maybe got to run the test only.

PCT: Nolvadex
WK 1: 40mg/ed    
WK 2: 40mg/ed
WK 3: 20mg/ed
WK 4: 20mg/ed
WK 5: 10mg/ed

PCT: Clomid
WK 1: 100mg/ed    
WK 2: 100mg/ed
WK 3: 50mg/ed
WK 4: 25mg/ed
WK 5: 25mg/ed

What do you think about this if i only run Test Prop



You don't need both nolva and clomid....just pick one.

If you do the Clomid, you'll need more than what you've laid out to match Nolva....you need about 150mg of Clomid to match 40mg of Nolva.

Clomid would look like this:
WK 1: 150mg/ed   
WK 2: 150mg/ed
WK 3: 100mg/ed
WK 4: 100mg/ed
WK 5: 50mg/ed
69  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: New kigs-- confirmed by gh15 on: April 21, 2012, 12:38:26 PM
Bump for responses on how garbage and trash somehow becomes magically pharma grade.

It's no secret, I live in the south, and in the south there's probably more smoking and dipping than anywhere in the U.S....so I have a question. If I take a spitter, say a coke bottle full of dip spit that's been sitting in the sun for a few days and slap a Kigs label on it does this make it pharma grade? If I drink it and throw my guts up but a few months later some guy walks up to me with the same thing and says they worked out the problems and this is true pharma grade now will I be OK? I mean, I could go buy a fresh can of Copenhagen but this dirty spitter is only going to cost me a few cents and everyone says this is pharma grade dip spit...sounds like a good buy to me. 
70  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: My first cycle total plan and stat, feedback. on: April 21, 2012, 12:29:04 PM
Thanks a lot great info very interesting  , I really appreciate it.

OK lets say that i decide to add Winstrol the 5 last weeks out,  would it be enough with only Nolvadex for my PCT?



I'd run the Winstrol for 6 to 8 weeks.

As for Nolva:

WK 1: 40mg/ed
WK 2: 40mg/ed
WK 3: 20mg/ed
WK 4: 20mg/ed
WK 5: 10mg/ed

71  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: My first cycle total plan and stat, feedback. on: April 21, 2012, 10:45:05 AM
What do you guys think about my Pct? I personally do not think it is necessary with HCG during my cycle relatively low dose.

Also got my gear 2 days ago.

10mlx4 amps Test prop
200 tabs Nolvadex and Clomid
50 tabs Arimidex

ready to go...

Once you come off, if you're going to be off for a good length of time there's no logical reason not to run a PCT plan. If you're only going to be off for a short period time, in that case there's no reason for the PCT plan. Further, the HCG on your cycle (which I'm not a fan of) isn't going to do anything post cycle to promote your recovery.

And before some idiot says no PCT plan promotes recovery, let me clarify...the point in a PCT plan is not to promote a fully recovery, a full recovery cannot be obtained with a PCT plan. However, you'll stimulate production and give your body enough testosterone in-order to function properly while your levels continue to naturally rise. Moreover, you'll cut down the total recovery time significantly. It's almost retarded that I feel like I have to say this on this board, but is what it is.

BTW, if you keep the Winstrol in your cycle that's not going to hurt anything....test/winny is a great first stack and you'll like it a lot more if you keep the winny in there.
72  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: Test Prop Tren Ace50 on: April 20, 2012, 10:02:51 PM
100mg/Prop/eod should be fine.
73  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: PIP King Coleman :( on: April 20, 2012, 06:47:50 PM
Not sure why people are surprised. Never saw anything to suggest that ronnie coleman's genetics were "otherwordly." In his pre-roid pics, he looks like your typical cut African-American dude. Give some of the monsters in the NFL unrestricted, untested access to all the drugs Coleman was on, and I'm sure you'd see some ungodly physiques. Those guys are the real genetic elite.

The amount of steroids NFL players use would blow the minds of most people...I'm not knocking you, but your comment only gives a stronger solidification to how in the dark most people are when it comes to hormone use in the NFL. The amount of Nandrolone and Stanozolol they use alone would blow the minds of most. Thrown in HGH, Testosterone and a few orals and we're not talking about small amounts.

The amount of hormones in the NFL would shock most people, and I don't say this based on an assumption, I am 100% sure...beyond 100% if that's possible. And it bothers the crap out of me that people don't know this, that they don't know the extent, because I guarantee you if they did it would change the public perception of steroids.

If you'd like to know how I know this...well, it shouldn't be that hard to figure out but it's not something I'll answer today. If you'd like, you can ask GH15 how I know...he'll give you a partial truth with a butt load of spin and assumption.

Arnold jr. Approved
74  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: Vets, What steroids existed between the 1960-75 Classic Era on: April 20, 2012, 06:36:08 PM
Naw graying age is totally genetic and unaffected by steroids.

What he said.
75  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Steroids Info & Hardcore / Re: Vets, What steroids existed between the 1960-75 Classic Era on: April 20, 2012, 10:58:52 AM
I've seen a few pics over the years of Arnold during this time where he had the grey in his hair like I described. They looked like pics a friend took, you know, just some cheap camera some friend had at a party or something...the one that's always stood out was one I saw where it looked like he was in someone's back yard for a little barbeque or something....he definitely looked like he was off and taking some down time.

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